1/8 Dumas Atlas Van Lines setup question

[dolfan]

I am trying to get my Atlas Van Lines up and running, but have not had much success. It runs for about 30 to 60 seconds, and then the esc shuts it down.
after about another 30 seconds, the esc resets and I am able to get it back to shore.

Here is my setup:
Neu 2215
schultz 40-160
thunderpower 10s1p 5000mha
octura x450
13 lbs without batt.

I started out with x460 and also tried x455 with the same results.
I'm thinking that the 2215 is pulling more than the 10s1p can give...
and if thats the case, then I'm stuck, because, I dont have anymore room under the cowl. It's a tight fit with the 1 batt.

Anyone have any suggestions?

If I were to move my motor batt and esc to cat, would it run or would I have the same problem?

[Diegoboy]

Is your Lipo the Pro Lite (http://www.rctoys.com/rc-toys-and-parts/TP-5000-10SPL2/RC-PARTS-THUNDER-POWER-PRO-LITE-LI-POLY-BATTERY.html) or the Extreme (http://www.rctoys.com/rc-toys-and-parts/TP-5000-10SXV/RC-PARTS-THUNDER-POWER-RC-EXTREME-V2-LI-POLYS.html)?
The pro lite V2 is a 20C continuous & 40C burst.
The Extreme V2 is 25C continuous & 50C burst.

[dolfan]

It's the extreme V2 25C Cont/50C burst (125A/250A)

[JimClark]

What is the voltage cut off in the esc set to?
Jim

[dolfan]

I dont belive you can change the cutoff voltage on the 40-160
according to the manual it is set at 7.5 volts.

Dip switches are set to:
1 = on
2 = on
3 = off
4 = off
5 = off
6 = off

I think I tried soft timing, and got the same results.

I also contacted schultz
I asked about other setting like dip switch 6, and the response I got was:

overloading a battery could cause huge voltage spikes which can cause overheating the controller.

You can try the different DIL-switch #6 setting, but I think that will make no huge difference.
Please use for the NEU motor DIL switch #5 off.

If you want to use only 1 battery pack I would reduce the prop size.

[Diegoboy]

It sounds like a classic case of "over amping" I'm at a loss for what to try. I don't suggest running 2 packs in her w/o a cowl, but I would because it's just me. Please don't try it though.

[dolfan]

I put my boat on the scale again, and with the batt, ready to run, it comes in at 17 lbs... I guess the 13 lbs must be what I wish it was..

I'm going to try an x448 and x447, and see what that does.

[TotalPackage]

Did your boat ever run?

[AlanN]

There may be a timing issue with the 40-160 and the neu. You may have to play with the timing. I ran 5000's with my plett and know that they are marginal for duration of a heat race and with the larger prop and motor you are running, my bet is you ain't got enough juice for that setup. And 17# for an 1/8th scale is very decent.

[siberianhusky]

Anybody notice the last post in this this thread is from april 2009? Until today that is.
The original poster only posted 4 times and all in this thread, I don't think he's still around!

[AlanN]

Nope, wonder what made it resurface.

[woodster]

Man I would love to pick this guys brain also. I'm getting ready to set up the same boat and motor combo.

[islandboy]

I'm headed in the same direction also with an 1/8 scale, 2215, 40.160WK and 10S1P 5000 Mah 45C. Should one of us contact the OP to ask what he finally did to fix his problem?

[AlanN]

Why do you all insist on running a motor that is better suited for a rigger? That motor is a bit overkill. 1527's and pletts and outrunners will do the job without killing the cells. Most likely he had to run 2P or never bothered.

[TotalPackage]

I had resurfaced it Alan coz i run scales and I love an atlas's though he might come back. Didnt look like he had given any updates.I can say this though castles app chart shows a 2215 in a sport hydro of 40 + inches it show a 1527 too but the 2215 is the other option. Why not have headroom?Either setup calls for 2 p by castles recomendations if fact all nue setups on that chart call for 2 p:eek:

[TotalPackage]

I'm headed in the same direction also with an 1/8 scale, 2215, 40.160WK and 10S1P 5000 Mah 45C. Should one of us contact the OP to ask what he finally did to fix his problem?
go 2 p:thumbup1: 1p will work I guess but you dont want to work right near your peak do you?Whats the burst c rating for your batts 50C?
http://www.castlecreations.com/products/neumotors/nm_boat_apps.html

2215's want 10-12000 mah!:eek:

[AlanN]

Why not have headroom?Either setup calls for 2 p by castles recomendations if fact all nue setups on that chart call for 2 p:eek:

Mostly becouse you can do it on 1P with the correct motor, prop and setup. I have ran larger hulls that require 2P but were more of a headache when it came to batt management. When a hull gets to the 20 pound mark it just doesn't handle as well. With the better cells available, less can deliver more performance.

[Doby]

Hey Alan....bringing some of those big boats to London this year? Sept 17/18.

[siberianhusky]

I'll have to make sure I'm free that weekend! Not sure if I'd be racing but I'l love to meet some of you guys around this area!

[TotalPackage]

All motors are NeuMotors. Please note battery size for each set up. Inadequate batteries in high power setups are the major cause of ESC failure! If you choose the competition system, you are close to limits and system failure will not be warranted. The sport systems are very fast and are covered under warranty

[TotalPackage]

This equipment is too expensive to be tearing up and voiding the warranty. Just my opinion.Not to mention at 2p my scale still wont hit 20 maybe 16 pounds. Chuffs scale is 19 pounds running like a bat outta hell so its good for me. Dont know if hes 2 p but im speaking of the weight in his case. In fact Hes runnin a 1527 now dont no his wind tho.As far a battery configs you gotta get the right form factor I mean you cant go buy 8 3s packs to go 12s 2p you have to go 4 6 s packs or 2 12s packs if you can find it or you build the pack yourself.Theres no question that you will hit harder with a 2 p setup.

[AlanN]

Hey Alan....bringing some of those big boats to London this year? Sept 17/18.

Can't commit to any races currently. Aside from the local scene.

TotalP,

Been running scales for a few years and know that 1P is very doable. But if you start with a hungry motor you will need to 2P. All I'm trying to say is that less can be more. You do need to be careful when setting up and testing though.

[islandboy]

go 2 p:thumbup1: 1p will work I guess but you dont want to work right near your peak do you?Whats the burst c rating for your batts 50C?
http://www.castlecreations.com/products/neumotors/nm_boat_apps.html

2215's want 10-12000 mah!:eek:

90C. I've run the numbers and it looks like at 1P I'd have 90 seconds at full throttle. Not much but I don't plan to hold the trigger down for 90 seconds straight. Maybe a few bursts of 20 seconds at the most, by then I'd run out of water. I've got room to fit 2P, but don't want to spend the $$$.

[islandboy]

Why do you all insist on running a motor that is better suited for a rigger? That motor is a bit overkill. 1527's and pletts and outrunners will do the job without killing the cells. Most likely he had to run 2P or never bothered.

Ordered a 1527 but that motor was on never ending back order. 2215 easy to get (3 day delivery).

[TotalPackage]

havent seen a scale with a 1527 run in the 70's which is my target for my circus saw or not I wouldnt want to wouldnt risk ruining a high dollar esc but then again its not my money.All the money youve spent to this point whats a few more dollars on batteries to protect it all and make sure you have the juice to do what you want to do?If it were my scale Id much rather have a 2215 for anything outside of club racing.BUT YES a 1527 will do a good job of pushing a scale boat and from what ive seen even on the weighs close to 20 pounds.Id still rather have a 2215 and 2p