Neu 2230 cooling jacket?

[txboatpilot]

:smile:

Steven,,

I am going to build a 10s2p mono powered by a Neu 2230/1Y... I was wondering if you could make the same type of cooling jacket like you offer for the 2215, but to fit the 2230 series... I also have another club member who is going with the same set up and will need a cooling jacket as well.. So you can put me down for 2 off the start!:tiphat:

[AntronX]

Hey Tx, today I met up with a machinist that will be cutting me a cooling jacket for my 2230! I am ordering 6061-T6 alum. pipe tonight for the project. I think i will order enough for 5 jackets for now. I hope by this Friday I will have something done.

Can you measure the diameter of your motor at the tips of cooling fins? Also, what is the distance between first and last fin?

[txboatpilot]

Steven any input??

[Steven Vaccaro]

I will measure them up. How soon do you need them?

[Punisher 67]

I am curious to see what you boys come up with , the ones I have made for myself are a huge pain in the a$$ and take from 8.0 + hours per motor from start to finish . hardly worth while even doing at a resale level

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoW7rW_EsjY&feature=channel_page

[bwells]

not to derail this post but 10s2p is 2 packs of 5 cells in parallel????

[HRC]

Peter, looks like you have the Mach Program, I have it for my cnc as well.
GREAT JOB on the jacket !!!
Dave

[Punisher 67]

Sorry for the late reply Dave but yes it is Mach3 , what size CNC you have and at what technical level do you machine . Are very experianced or just a novice like me.......:confused2:

[HRC]

Peter,
The CNC I have is a TL501 X-17” Y-8” Z-10” if memory recalls. Have been in this line of work for 25+ yrs. Relocated to Pa. a couple years ago getting ready for retirement. Hopefully August next year. Have a small machine shop with 3 lathes, 2 manual mills and a CNC with supporting tooling etc. Thanks for asking.
Dave

[jevmax]

Steven,

I'd be interested in a couple of those myself! Just let me know when they are ready:thumbup1:

[kevinlew211]

Steven,
Any update on 2230 jacket?

[txboatpilot]

Steven,,


Any info on the jacket yet??

[Joe Ford]

I used a piece of joiner tube from the local hardware store. Rubber material with 2 tie downs on the end. Add 2 plug ins for the water tubes and put the nut on the back....center section of motor puffs like a balloon, and quite a bit of water flows though. Here's a pic of what I mean. This is on the prototype motor we're working on...same principal though. This is on a finned can motor too. Cost me about $10 in parts. Hope this helps!

[Punisher 67]

Joe Can you elaborate a little bit more on your prototype motor Please

[RCprince]

Joe Can you elaborate a little bit more on your prototype motor Please

http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-300-rubber-flex-fittings.aspx

[Punisher 67]

No Neil just the prototype motor itself.....whats so special about it

[RCprince]

oh, my error.

[HRC]

Joe,
Very interesting,please keep us informed how the testing goes.
Like Peter said, making one like the current 2215 and keeping the cost reasonable is a challange. There are some things on the drawing board Steven and I are working on.
Thanks
Dave

[bustitup]

Joe Can you elaborate a little bit more on your prototype motor Please

well I think I recognize the motor to be either a 2200 or 2650 kv castle neu motor to start with

the green one's with the heat fins

[mickvk]

I am trying to borrow a Mamba Monster (Neu 1515 - 2200kv) for a test and would like to fit a water jacket. I'd like to know if you come up with anything guys. Thanks.

PS. The case diameter is 39.98 and the air cooling fin Diameter is 41.78

[Joe Ford]

It is a prototype motor for 1/5th scale trucks/buggies like the HPI Baja/Baja 5T. It's a 2025/1Y 900kv. I will definitely let you all know how the cooling works. Tested it with a bucket of water, an aquarium pump, and put a load on it...works great. Can't wait to try it in the boat (Outlaw 7.5 from TT)...nearly everything is together. Waiting for batteries, Steve donated an adapter (8mm to .187...thanks again Steve!!!), and then I'm ready to go. Using Hydra 240HV. Made the motor mount myself. Will be putting vids up of the first run for sure. :)

[mickvk]

It is a prototype motor for 1/5th scale trucks/buggies like the HPI Baja/Baja 5T. It's a 2025/1Y 900kv. I will definitely let you all know how the cooling works. Tested it with a bucket of water, an aquarium pump, and put a load on it...works great. Can't wait to try it in the boat (Outlaw 7.5 from TT)...nearly everything is together. Waiting for batteries, Steve donated an adapter (8mm to .187...thanks again Steve!!!), and then I'm ready to go. Using Hydra 240HV. Made the motor mount myself. Will be putting vids up of the first run for sure. :)

8mm shaft, criminy, that thing sounds like a monster. What does it say on the side of it, Campbell's Soup :)

[sailr]

Peter, your stuff takes a long time because you make it so beautiful! Why not just stop at the lathe step and install the inlet/outlet rather than making the nice longitudinal grooves?

[Joe Ford]

8mm shaft, criminy, that thing sounds like a monster. What does it say on the side of it, Campbell's Soup :)

I'll have to get a pic of it in my hand. Most definitely a beast of a motor. You've never seen a 25lb+ Baja 5T til you've seen one popping a wheelie. :w00t: And no...I am most definitely NOT kidding.

[Punisher 67]

Joe you must be referring to the 2225/1Y not a 2025

[Joe Ford]

Nope...it's a prototype motor. Our own. ;) 2025/1Y...etched right in the endbell of the motor. Will post a pic when I get home. :)

EDIT: Here you go. Some more pics. Gives a better idea of the size.

[mickvk]

Police Chief Brody: "You're gonna need a bigger boat!" :)

[txboatpilot]

Still looking for a 2230 cooling jacket??????????:help::help:

[Joe Ford]

Can make your own like I did, but I think that's about it. Cost me about $10...Ace Hardware is where I got the stuff for it. Bring the motor with you...they had a bunch of sizes so I went with the one that slid well over the motor, but not too loose. Hopefully Steve is working on nice metal one...going to be a popular motor for the big boats that are being converted now.

[Boatman]

Thats awesome Joe! Thats why they pay you the big bucks! Wonderful creativity.

[txboatpilot]

Can make your own like I did, but I think that's about it. Cost me about $10...Ace Hardware is where I got the stuff for it. Bring the motor with you...they had a bunch of sizes so I went with the one that slid well over the motor, but not too loose. Hopefully Steve is working on nice metal one...going to be a popular motor for the big boats that are being converted now.

Joe,

Yes, I could build one.. But I just dont trust $2000+ worth of equipment on a rubber hose with band clamps... Might work fine,, but if I dont feel 110% secure while running 65mph in a heat race,, I dont even put my boat in the pond! LOL:tiphat:

[Boatman]

Not trying to argue with you Rich but if nothing else this would infact work safely. The only draw back would be clearance around your motor as the no-hub band is thick. We use these every day for plumbing. I trust them inside walls in houses so I imagine under what pressure your cooling lines have this would handle. You can get them anywhere Ace, lowes, HD. If it gets you on the water at least for now its worth it. However your ponds dont freeze so time is on your side.

[txboatpilot]

Not trying to argue with you Rich but if nothing else this would infact work safely. The only draw back would be clearance around your motor as the no-hub band is thick. We use these every day for plumbing. I trust them inside walls in houses so I imagine under what pressure your cooling lines have this would handle. You can get them anywhere Ace, lowes, HD. If it gets you on the water at least for now its worth it. However your ponds dont freeze so time is on your side.


I belive everything you say about the toughness and durability of these rubber jacket... Not discrediting it,, just personally want something else...

The water jacket is not keeping me off the water,, i just want to see the temps go down,, they are at 130-135 right now,, which is fine.. But I like things to be as cool as I can get them!:cool:

Your right on the ponds not freezing,, but its been raining for a week now!! I dont like running in the rain,, LOL:lol:

[Joe Ford]

You just gave me a good idea...going to run the motor without the jacket on for 3 min or so and check temps. Then put it on for the second run (next day so motor is at room temp). I wonder how much good this homemade jacket will do. Thanks for the inspiration tx! Going to try and finish the boat up this weekend...batteries should be here early next week. Will let you guys know what I find!

[RandyatBBY]

not to derail this post but 10s2p is 2 packs of 5 cells in parallel????

It is four packs of 5cell packs two sets of 5S in series, then the two sets of ten cells in paralle.
I do not have that many 5 cell packs. I use 4 sets of 4S1P and two sets of 2S1P to make the packs I run in the 10S2P boats or T class boats.

I am thinking about designing a cooler that will work for the finned motors but they are gona be large.

[Punisher 67]

Randy I made this one for mine but I had to mill the fins off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoW7rW_EsjY&feature=channel_page

[HRC]

Guys, is this picture of a 2230 motor like the ones you have? We are getting closer to making one but want to be sure it is what is needed. This is the motor we are working with.
Thanks
Dave

[Punisher 67]

Dave the old styles looked like this

[HRC]

Thanks Peter, so the old style has the wire ties and the newer ones have the fins all the way back to where the wire ties were it seems. Does that sound correct? The motor I have is dated 5/09. Thanks
Dave

[txboatpilot]

HRC,

Mine is same as Peters... No cooling in front.. Our motors have fan in the rear...

I am sure the diameter is the same,, what is the total length of fins on your 2230?

[Punisher 67]

Yes the diameter is the same on both

[HRC]

Thanks guys.
txboatpilot, the fins on my motor measure 3.328 long. From the looks of the photo yours and Peters is shorter, hard to tell. Can you guys do a measurement and let me know please?
Looking like two size jackets are required, old and new style.

[HRC]

Ok, here is a jacket for the new style motor. Flow rate and leak test are great.
Problem: Support for rear of motor. No room for strap style support at rear.
The jacket may work, not sure untill more testing is done.
Dave

[Steven Vaccaro]

Nice job Dave.

[txboatpilot]

Very nuce job! I have been making plates to support the rear of my motors and glassing them into the hulls,, then drill holes in each side and run a zip tie over the top to hold the rear of the motor, nice and solid...

Will this jacket clear the finned motors? If so, I would love to try one out!

[HRC]

Thanks Steven, when time permits I will try some of the things we talked about on the phone a couple days ago about supporting the rear.

Txboatpilot: Thanks and yes this is for the finned 2230 motor, the one in post # 37 ( new style). We ( Steven at OSE and I ) have spent a lot of time and testing to date. The jacket is at the end of motor due to the fins on the new style. It may fit the old style like you have with no problems, not sure.
Dave

[Punisher 67]

I think the old style have 28 fins and the new style have 30

[HRC]

Thanks Peter, I just checked the fins on the motor I have and there are 31. If the old style only has 28 there is a good chance this jacket will have room for rear mount support.

txboatpilot, can you check your motor fin count and give picture? If so will send it to try out.
Thanks
Dave

[Punisher 67]

Dave on the two pictures supplied in this thread you can clearly count them , hope this helps

[justintime2w8]

Ok, I need two water jackets for the Neu 2230. Who is going to make them, How much, and how soon can I have them?
Thanks

[Xcesive8]

Im amazed, with the amount of people wanting to build big offshore type cats these days, i would have thought they would be a thing in stock to go with the motors that are for sale. Hmmm:confused2:

[HRC]

I have sent a jacket out for testing for temp. with and with out the jacket amp draw etc.
Hopefully it will not be much longer for the results.
Dave

[justintime2w8]

Lets say, in theory, I could care less if they had been tested, How quick could I get two and how much are we talking?
Thanks

[HRC]

justintime2w8
I know it has been a while for this jacket. We have a lot of things going on.
We do not want to put this jacket out untill it is proven under the most demanding conditions.
The last thing we want is for something to happen that would cause dammage to a boat :eek:
Thanks
Dave

[justintime2w8]

Not to worry couldn't be more damage than me running without one, well maybe.

[txboatpilot]

Sorry for the long delay,,, I have been VERY busy at work.. Here is a picture of the water jacket that HRC made for my 2230.. Fits PERFECT!! I have the Finned version of the 2230.. I will test it this weekend to see what effect it has on temp's....

This motor is out of my Aeromarine Avenger Pro 44" Cat,, running 10s2p G3 lipos it will do a consistant 65-68mph in heat race trim... Motor was coming in at 130-135 after 6-7laps or a full race..

I think this one is going to be a WINNER!! Thanks HRC!:rockon2:

[justintime2w8]

If it lowers the temps 1 degree I will take a pair.

[justintime2w8]

One of our many 92" cats is needing to be complete.

[HRC]

txboatpilot, you are very welcome. Any temp. readings yet?
:popcorn2:

[MarkF]

Txboatpilot, just curious why your making the sleeve so long. The stator inside the can is only 3" long. The cooling jacket doesn't need to be any longer than that to work efficiently. Look at the ones Peter makes. There 3" long and the motor is 4 5/8 long. Pleanty of room on either side of the jacket for clamps or what not. Your jackets do look nice.

Mark

[RandyatBBY]

Txboatpilot, just curious why your making the sleeve so long. The stator inside the can is only 3" long. The cooling jacket doesn't need to be any longer than that to work efficiently. Look at the ones Peter makes. There 3" long and the motor is 4 5/8 long. Pleanty of room on either side of the jacket for clamps or what not. Your jackets do look nice.

Mark
I designed a strap that would go around the cooler and would be more adjustable.

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/731/img2405qj.th.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/img2405qj.jpg/)

[justintime2w8]

Any updates as to when the jackets will be available

[MarkF]

Justine,

I showed Radtek and his machinist friend how to make their own coolers out of aluminum stock. I think there going to try that route and see if they like how they come out.

Mark

[justintime2w8]

Ok, thanks Mark, that was a nice run you guys made the other night(very promising) Radek sent me the video.

[HRC]

We are comming out with a new style 2230 and 2215 jacket soon.
Dave

[Punisher 67]

Any pictures.............:spy:

[Steven Vaccaro]

Any pictures.............:spy:

Not that I know of. But a hint, Think Castle.

Thinner, lighter and easier to install.

[Killer V]

My boat weighs 25 lbs. She is an Insane Mono 45" which is a heavy polyester layup, with a 2230 1y, 10S2P 10,000 mah batteries and a 460 2 blade prop. Oh yes the Castle HV 240. I use a 4" computer fan with a seperate lipo battery to cool the big motor. She can complete 6 mills and not hit 120 degrees.I have been running the boat for three seasons of racing.

Well thats my story.

Killer V

[mickvk]

My boat weighs 25 lbs. She is an Insane Mono 45" which is a heavy polyester layup, with a 2230 1y, 10S2P 10,000 mah batteries and a 460 2 blade prop. Oh yes the Castle HV 240. I use a 4" computer fan with a seperate lipo battery to cool the big motor. She can complete 6 mills and not hit 120 degrees.I have been running the boat for three seasons of racing.

Well thats my story.

Killer V

You can't just SAY that. A picture's worth a thousand words, at least :Peace_Sign:

[TotalPackage]

It is four packs of 5cell packs two sets of 5S in series, then the two sets of ten cells in paralle.
I do not have that many 5 cell packs. I use 4 sets of 4S1P and two sets of 2S1P to make the packs I run in the 10S2P boats or T class boats.

I am thinking about designing a cooler that will work for the finned motors but they are gona be large.
theres a guy out there that put 580 jackets on nue/castle 1717's with no issues. Why not just buy the finless version of the nue?

[427srule]

Guys, is this picture of a 2230 motor like the ones you have? We are getting closer to making one but want to be sure it is what is needed. This is the motor we are working with.
Thanks
Dave

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii76/k52962/Picture004-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii76/k52962/Picture018.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii76/k52962/Picture012-2.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii76/k52962/Picture013-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii76/k52962/Picture020-1.jpg

Gentlemen,

Version #3....I bought this Neu 2230 (30 Fins) in October and needed a cooling can ASAP for the final race of the season. I followed this thread and my motor did not match the previous two versions.
I reached out to Dave on Sunday and had a the latest version at my house by Friday.
The following measurements fit perfectly;
Total Fin Width of 2230 = 3 1/4"
Available room with these mounts = 4 1/8"
Main Body of Cooling Can = 3 5/8"
Total Cooling Can Width with Rings = 3 7/8"

This latest version has plenty of room to secure a rear mount without removing fins.

Thanks Dave for your Great Craftsmanship and willingness to stop what you were doing and make this New Cooling Can as quickly as you did.

Thank you,
Mike

[HRC]

Glad I could help and Thank You Mike.
These motors are a challenge to make jackets for. A jacket may fit one motor but not the next. We can not assume a (one jacket fits all) way of thinking. For this reason Steven and I are very reluctant to have a standard size 2230 jacket available. They need to be on job specific bases.
Thanks again.
Dave

[Steven Vaccaro]

The 22 series is not very consistent in sizes. I have 2215 motors that are in 2225 casings........ Winds and coil length is correct for 2215, they just used a longer case.

[MarkF]

Steven, just because the casing is longer doesn't mean the jacket has to be. The stator is still the same length and is the only part that has to be cooled. A 2215 jacket will work fine on a 2225 case.

Mark