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Bill-SOCAL
12-06-2008, 09:53 PM
Since they are making commemorative Obama coins I did not want my Right Wing Nut Job.... I mean my conservative Friends to feel left out. Get it LEFT out!! I kill me.

At any rate, this one's for you Darin & you too Dr. Jet:

http://blip.tv/file/520347

AndyKunz
12-08-2008, 11:27 AM
You forgot to include ME, Bill. Remember I was nominated once, too!

Andy

Steven Vaccaro
12-08-2008, 11:32 AM
Bill that was funny.

Bill-SOCAL
12-08-2008, 01:00 PM
You forgot to include ME, Bill. Remember I was nominated once, too!

Andy

Sorry Andy, there are just SO many of you guys it is hard to keep track!!:olleyes:

AndyKunz
12-08-2008, 01:06 PM
Yeah, last count about a month ago it was about 50% of the population ;)

Andy

Flying Scotsman
12-08-2008, 02:11 PM
Yeah, last count about a month ago it was about 50% of the population ;)

Andy

50%!!!!
Andy, you are a bright guy. If the eligble voters actually turned out I would love to see the results. The Dubba will go down in history as the worst President of all time.

Douggie

calcagno45
12-08-2008, 02:15 PM
And me too....

Sad tho, I didn't see the Obama food stamp and his slogan of "Change" in there, translated as lets take from the hard working, successful American and give to the increasing population of bums that sit on their front porch, sipping MD 20/20, and encourage reproduction to help suck the system's tit dry....

Sorry for my conservatism, and love for my country!

Darin Jordan
12-08-2008, 02:17 PM
If the eligble voters actually turned out I would love to see the results.

You guys need to step up your efforts to get them out of the trees (or at least stop hugging them), sober them up, bring them down off their high, or get them to stop playing their X-Boxes long enough to actually cast a vote... :tt2:

Might not hurt if you got them educated on the issues while you were at it... based on what those who DID vote appeared to actually know about what they were voting on... (were they aware they were actually voting the Clinton administration back in??) :olleyes:

There is a REASON why the MAJORITY of "Dems" are classified as "young, college age", etc... or at least the important portion of the voting block that the politicians seem to seek... Funny how many get more "conservative" as they get older... perhaps because for most, with age comes wisdom...


As for the coins... I really didn't see the humour in this... Didn't seem that funny. And YES, I did laugh at almost all of what Tina Feye did on SNL, so I CAN impartially find humor in things... This just didn't seem to have it...

FLAME SUIT ON... :flame42::flame42::flame42::flashfire:

Flying Scotsman
12-08-2008, 02:26 PM
You guys need to step up your efforts to get them out of the trees (or at least stop hugging them), sober them up, bring them down off their high, or get them to stop playing their X-Boxes long enough to actually cast a vote... :tt2:

Unfortunately, Darin that is the youth of today. But there is a day of reconning comming...no jobs and Mum and Dad are going to turf them out of the house at the tender age of 32 years old.

Douggie

calcagno45
12-08-2008, 02:31 PM
...There is a REASON why the MAJORITY of "Dems" are classified as "young, college age", etc... or at least the important portion of the voting block that the politicians seem to seek... Funny how many get more "conservative" as they get older... perhaps because for most, with age comes wisdom...


And partial reason for this is that today's college campus is so far liberal and out of touch with the real principle of America, that they preach it to these "young, college age" people that are so easily swayed as they smoke or drink. These students look to their professors that are "all knowing" knowledgable people as they preach this liberal garbage and feel that that is the way they should feel too. Most of these students are just clay in the professor's hands and have no will to stand up and realize the garbage of what's being preached.

I am a student and realize this. I have been throw out of class for voicing my conservatism and contradicting the professor.

Bill, I hope you don't make too much money... It sure would be a shame to see most of it end up to those that don't deserve it. :tiphat:

Flying Scotsman
12-08-2008, 02:43 PM
Cory, that is knowsense. Without educated people and the capacity to learn from our elders...WE WOULD STILL BE UP IN THE TREES. An educated person sees both side of the equation and discussion and then agrees or disagrees based on the validity of the proposal put forward with a documented response....and no emotion

Douggie

calcagno45
12-08-2008, 02:53 PM
Cory, that is knowsense. Without educated people and the capacity to learn from our elders...WE WOULD STILL BE UP IN THE TREES. An educated person sees both side of the equation and discussion and then agrees or disagrees based on the validity of the proposal put forward with a documented response....and no emotion

Douggie

I beg to differ. I wish you guy could have seen the Obama shirts and pens that were worn to school, and then the malarky that was preached. I know it's one thing to have an opinion, but it's another to force it upon young adults that are malleable and are looking for answers.

I'm not saying anything about educated people and learning from educated people. I'm stating the fact that the students "in the learning" process are being raped with the liberal content of today, and it shouldn't be that way. I know in my classes, the way the professor's put it, they phrase it to be this way or none. It should not be so bias and influencing.

And you say both sides, well they never hear both sides to learn from and decide for themselves. Believe it, cause it's true. I've lived in it all this semester.

Darin Jordan
12-08-2008, 02:57 PM
And you say both sides, well they never hear both sides to learn from and decide for themselves. Believe it, cause it's true. I've lived in it all this semester.

EXACTLY...

Douggie... I think you need to watch the movie "Expelled"... sheds some light on just how supressing today's "educational" (Liberal Indoctrinational... :olleyes: ) institutions really are...

Flying Scotsman
12-08-2008, 03:27 PM
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And you say both sides, well they never hear both sides to learn from and decide for themselves. Believe it, cause it's true. I've lived in it all this semester.

What university are you attending? All the professors I know, love a lively debate and encourage their students to think outside the box, as they love to see a student question them on how they came to a certain conclussion. AS THAT IS WHAT THEY DID AS A STUDENT

Douggie

ghostofpf1
12-08-2008, 03:29 PM
:olleyes:

Ghost

calcagno45
12-08-2008, 03:45 PM
Univ. of New Orleans!

And I challenge them. I challenge them to the best of my ability and they love when I do. However, I get looked down upon for this, for not agreeing with their views and disruptting class. They never like to see the other side and this stubborn vantage point influences those that sit back and take it in. That just because I'm a 21 yr old student, I must be wrong and the professor is right. That my views are nullified by the professor's.

I'm saying that its the innocent minds that go there to learn their profession, come out being influenced by the professor's liberal views. They didn't ask or pay for that.

Flying Scotsman
12-08-2008, 03:55 PM
Cory, good for you but do you have the ability to discuss your points with a professor on a one to one basis? Rather than disrupting the class. That may be a better method.

Douggie

Bill-SOCAL
12-08-2008, 04:17 PM
Yeah, last count about a month ago it was about 50% of the population ;)

Andy

Not exactly. I believe it was more like 46% of those who were eligible to vote and actually bothered to do so!! 61% of those who could vote, did vote. And 46% of those voted for McCain (58,343,671) versus the 53% (66,882,230) who voted for Obama.

AndyKunz
12-08-2008, 05:04 PM
Bill,

You obviously missed a word. ABOUT. It means "not exactly". You just crack me up when you do things like that. It really drives home the point about how you guys can only see what you want, and totally miss the substance.

You guys got what you asked for. Now let's see how it plays out...

Andy

Darin Jordan
12-08-2008, 05:11 PM
Now let's see how it plays out...


If what's going on in Canada right now is any indication of how extreme "Liberalism" is going to work out at a government level... we shouldn't have to wait too long to find out...

calcagno45
12-08-2008, 05:20 PM
You guys got what you asked for. Now let's see how it plays out...


You mean Socialism right.... hmm I see unemployment rates already rising and the Fed getting their hands in more and more...

Flying Scotsman
12-08-2008, 05:21 PM
If what's going on in Canada right now is any indication of how extreme "Liberalism" is going to work out at a government level... we shouldn't have to wait too long to find out...

Darin you rogue :smile:
It is called the parliamentary system...DEMOCRACY. Yes,we can boot the idiots out. You were stuck with the Dubba. Only with a majority government can a Canadian, British, etc. parliament remain in power without the consent of the other parties

Douggie

Bill-SOCAL
12-08-2008, 07:43 PM
Bill,

You obviously missed a word. ABOUT. It means "not exactly". You just crack me up when you do things like that. It really drives home the point about how you guys can only see what you want, and totally miss the substance.

You guys got what you asked for. Now let's see how it plays out...

Andy

No I got it, it was hard to get the right tone. Sorry, in my head it was funny, but it definitely got lost in translation.

Like the Hertz commercials... Not Exactly". Oh well, like I said, funny inside my head!!

Bill-SOCAL
12-08-2008, 07:45 PM
You mean Socialism right.... hmm I see unemployment rates already rising and the Fed getting their hands in more and more...

Honestly, you think this is because of Obama?? Couldn't have anything to do with the last 8 years of Bush?? Wow??

calcagno45
12-08-2008, 08:11 PM
Honestly, you think this is because of Obama?? Couldn't have anything to do with the last 8 years of Bush?? Wow??

Or the previous 8 yrs of Clinton? WOW?

Flying Scotsman
12-08-2008, 08:26 PM
Boy, you rabbid Republicans can not see an other point of view...PITY...Where is the democracy in that aspect of politics. Please explain.

Douggie

Bill-SOCAL
12-08-2008, 09:13 PM
Or the previous 8 yrs of Clinton? WOW?

Classic. Everything is either Clinton's fault from 8 years ago, or Obama's fault for being elected 6 weeks ago. Bush? Bush who? All the Demoncrats fault.

Simply amazing. :doh:

AndyKunz
12-09-2008, 11:59 AM
No, sometimes it's other corrupt politicians. Like this one:

AFP version (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hrZOmWyikealyN6XaSAUw71Yx4lA) (google "illinois governor arrested" and it pops up first)

Fox version (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/09/report-illinois-governor-taken-federal-custody/)

Andy

Bill-SOCAL
12-09-2008, 01:10 PM
Sadly the truth is that they come in both flavors, corruption and greed knows no party boundaries. And that is the real heart of the issue. The problem is each side tries to pretend it is just the other side which is corrupted. While they focus our attention on their mock outrage at each other we end up the ones who are truly screwed.

Flying Scotsman
12-09-2008, 02:29 PM
Sadly the truth is that they come in both flavors, corruption and greed knows no party boundaries. And that is the real heart of the issue. The problem is each side tries to pretend it is just the other side which is corrupted. While they focus our attention on their mock outrage at each other we end up the ones who are truly screwed.

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown: Thanks Bill, for a sane response

Douggie

calcagno45
12-09-2008, 07:39 PM
Did they ever find Obama's US Birth Certificate?....

Wait a minute, thats true, he's dual citizenship which makes him not a American born citizen, a requirement for President, but not Senator.

Anyways, Illinois governor isn't the first.
And I quote the Rush "I am stunned that the Democrat Party has the capacity to be this embarrassed, because this is nothing new. Lets go down the list. Half of the Ford family in Tennessee is in jail, right? Carol Mostly Fraud. What did she do? She sold influence to a boyfriend or something, trip in Africa or some such thing. Kwame Kilpatrick in Detroit. Is he still in jail? A Democrat. You've got Jim McGreevey in New Jersey. You got Torricelli. William Jefferson, congressman (Democrat-Louisiana). I mean, why are they so embarrassed over this? Look at Franklin Raines at Fannie Mae, Jim Johnson at Fannie Mae, why are they embarrassed? Dan "Rosty" Rostenkowski. Charles Rangel....
So what's the big deal? It's not change. Don't tell me it's change. This is not change we can believe in. This is the same old same old that we've always known is going on."

Lets see what will happen with the "change." Socialism and corruption are #'s 1 and 2 on the agenda.

Bill-SOCAL
12-09-2008, 07:57 PM
Did they ever find Obama's US Birth Certificate?....

Yes, and it was never lost. His birth certificate was certified as authentic by the Secretary of State of Hawaii. That should have ended it for all but the most deluded of people. You know, people that still think the Earth is flat or that Elvis is alive.

It interests me how Rush left out of his tirade the long list of Republicans who have also been corrupt in office. Folks like Agnew, Nixon, Duke Cunningham, and on and on. The sad thing is it happens in both parties. But the really sad thing is how often it seems it is the Republicans who try desperately to occupy the moral high ground while committing similar, and sometimes more heinous acts.

This is one of my major problems with the Right Wing. The concept they try to sell that they are the One True Protector of the Country and the Uncorrupted ones. They jump on any chance to point out the transgressions of a Democrat and then cry foul when a Republican is caught.

So Clinton was beneath contempt for lying about a BJ while it is just mean to go after Newt for divorcing his terminally ill wife on her death bed while having an affair with a younger woman. Neither is acceptable, but somehow in the Republican mind what Newt did was "unfortunate" while what Clinton did strained the very seams of our Democracy.

Edwards is slime for his affair, but it was just fine for McCain to divorce his wife who stood by him while he was a POW but lost her beauty queen figure due to a horrible accident. Oh, and then lie about the timing of his affair with Cindy prior to his divorce.

Edwards, scum. McCain, POW so its is OK.

To me the first thing I think when I think of Republicans is hypocrisy.

And the hate mongers like Limbaugh are the cheerleaders for this kind if vile crap. Limbaugh spent YEARS railing on about low-life drug users and the ACLU. But when exposed as a drug addict himself and helped by the ACLU to fight his legal battles nobody said a thing. This is the guy you use as a source?? And then try to say that character matters??

OK then.

calcagno45
12-09-2008, 08:45 PM
Yes, and it was never lost. His birth certificate was certified as authentic by the Secretary of State of Hawaii. That should have ended it for all but the most deluded of people. You know, people that still think the Earth is flat or that Elvis is alive.


And I guess you still believe in Santa Claus and "global warming?" Even though southern California is about to be hit with the coldest stream of weather its experienced in decades. And the same goes for Miami, normally still in the 80's right now but are dipping down into the 40-50's. I guess my SUV isn't hurtng the atmosphere after all.

And I admit we have corruption too. Sure, 3 of the last Illinois governor's were Republicans and have been jailed.

But I'll grind Clinton into his grave over his BJ. I'm glad his got his, but no reason to publicly lie to the entine country when you are the #1 superior, commander-in-chief. And same thing with puffing his weed, congrats but fess up.

Hypocrisy? Maybe you should look at the definition and examples of Liberalism.

:tiphat:

Flying Scotsman
12-09-2008, 09:23 PM
But I'll grind Clinton into his grave over his BJ. I'm glad his got his, but no reason to publicly lie to the entine country when you are the #1 superior, commander-in-chief. And same thing with puffing his weed, congrats but fess up.

Hypocrisy? Maybe you should look at the definition and examples of Liberalism.

:tiphat:

Who cares if he got a BJ or puffed on some weed. Have you had an alcoholic beverage, lied to your parents, missed school, pretend to have a holier than thou attitude, etc. If you have not, there is a spot for you in the heavens. Otherwise you are human being. But you want to gind Clinton into his grave over a BJ...you are a sad puppy.

Douggie

Doug Smock
12-09-2008, 09:28 PM
You know, people that still think the Earth is flat or that Elvis is alive.



ELVIS IS DEAD????:doh:

Doug :popcorn2:

Flying Scotsman
12-09-2008, 09:31 PM
You know, people that still think the Earth is flat or that Elvis is alive.



ELVIS IS DEAD????:doh:

Doug :popcorn2:

Love the popcorn man
Way to go Doug

Douggie

Bill-SOCAL
12-09-2008, 11:11 PM
Have you had an alcoholic beverage, lied to your parents, missed school, pretend to have a holier than thou attitude, etc.

Jeez, Douggie, you DO know me. In fact, I was usually drunk while lying to my parents about missing school and then preached to my younger siblings the merits of a good education!! :banana:

As such I can cut Bill a bit of slack. I mean lying about a BJ is treason, while lying about a war is just an "oopsie". And yes, I am a little bitter since my little brother (who ignored my stern lectures about a good eduction) is driving a freaking truck in Tikrit while I have to listen to college kids, of the perfect age to enlist and defend the country they so strongly defend on the internet, lecture me about political issues of the day.

Yep, I am a little weary of the BS from the right. You all feel so damn strong about it, go join my little brother, then you can sing your songs of Republican superiority and patriotism and I might even listen.

OK, I feel better now. :sorry:

AndyKunz
12-10-2008, 11:31 AM
And the hate mongers like Limbaugh are the cheerleaders for this kind if vile crap.

Hate mongers?!?!?! Where did THAT come from? Rush is ENTERTAINMENT, dude! TV and radio are ENTERTAINMENT. You don't get real information from them!!!

David Duke is a hate monger. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a hate monger. Jesse Jackson is a hate monger. Jeremiah Wright is a hate monger. Al Sharpton is a hate monger. Louis Farrakhan is a hate monger.

You really got your terms mixed up, dude.

Rush is not a hate monger. He's entertainment, pointing out the foibles of people in the news. And he doesn't just pick on the Dems - I've heard him blasting Republicans too when they deserve it. (And sometimes they do).

Aside from you, Bill, nobody here is claiming to be perfect.

Andy

Bill-SOCAL
12-10-2008, 12:18 PM
Double post. See, not perfect at all:bounce:

Bill-SOCAL
12-10-2008, 12:20 PM
Just for giggles Andy, Google "hate monger" add "limbaugh" in the advanced field. I get 11,500 hits with the two associated with each other, so I am hardly the only one who thinks this.

And I used to think Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. were entertainers, but both are perceived as journalists more than entertainers. In fact Hannity now often refers to himself as such. That is when it serves his purpose to do so. Other times he claims not to be one.


The perception among a growing number of Americans is that Rush Limbaugh is as much a journalist as Bob Woodward. According to a survey by the Annenberg Public Policy Center released yesterday:


As far as claiming to be perfect, far from it. In fact that is what I am trying to point out as part of the hypocrisy of the Right. Nothing they do even approaches being wrong, at the worst it is perhaps bad judgment. I do have strong opinions, which I try to back up with facts, and an intense dislike of intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Doug Smock
12-10-2008, 02:53 PM
Andy, with all due respect, there is a difference between being perfect, and being an expert on every subject. lol ;)


Doug :popcorn2:

AndyKunz
12-10-2008, 04:39 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Doug. You are correct!

Andy

Bill-SOCAL
12-10-2008, 05:29 PM
Ah yes, the snide remarks and winking emoticons rather than actually dealing with the argument at hand.

Oh well.

Thanks for keeping me in line Doug.

Steven Vaccaro
12-10-2008, 05:46 PM
Bill are you saying that lying on tv to a few million people and while under oath is the same as lying to your wife in private? Clinton was under oath and looked like a fool, period! The evidence was there, he decided to make it about what the meaning of "is" is.

This is great stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

The rest of the guys you mentioned are just cheats and slim for doing what they did to their wives.

AndyKunz
12-10-2008, 06:22 PM
Forget the few million watching on TV. He liked to CONGRESS. That's the same as lying to every single one of us!

Andy

Bill-SOCAL
12-10-2008, 07:46 PM
Bill are you saying that lying on tv to a few million people and while under oath is the same as lying to your wife in private? Clinton was under oath and looked like a fool, period! The evidence was there, he decided to make it about what the meaning of "is" is.

This is great stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

The rest of the guys you mentioned are just cheats and slim for doing what they did to their wives.

I am in no way saying that Clinton was right to do what he did. The fact that he lied under oath was the thing he did that I have problems with. How many people were watching is irrelevant.

But really, going after him in the first place was OK with you? Why not then go after EVERY public official who had an illicit affair. But that is not been done.

So in your mind if he had just come clean (sorry, couldn't resist that one) before the whole legal BS got started that this would have ended it for you?? You think the GOP would have let it drop??

The real point is how asinine it was to spends millions of dollars going after him in the first about a BJ. I often wonder if he had not been so distracted by the GOP witch hunts over Whitewater, etc., etc., if maybe he could have been more effective at snagging Bin Laden.

But recall, it was the GOP who raised a stink about going after Bin Laden because they saw it as a ruse designed to distract the nation from the important business of seeing if a man lied about a BJ. How ironic that turns out to be.

And as I keep saying his lie clearly outweighs Bush and his administration lying about the WMDs, lying about Valerie Plame, lying about torture, lying about illegal wire tapping, and lying about rendition, just to name a few of the big ones. All well and good. Just THANK GOD he did not lie about getting a BJ. THAT would have been terrible.

The really sad thing is that in the minds of many on the right that is EXACTLY what they think. And anyone who dares to raise the questions will have their patriotism questioned or be written off as left wing nut job.

Again, the hypocrisy. We spent millions trying to nab Clinton in a lie, but we cannot even ask if Bush lied without being labeled or questioned.

Keep in mind too that the day Clinton was impeached and the day he left office his approval rating was much higher than Bush's has been for some time. But still, here we are talking about Clinton.

Steven Vaccaro
12-10-2008, 07:57 PM
Bill in the end, they are all no good. They ALL have had input in the current housing mess, including Clinton.
Some quick reading, McCain, Obama camps point fingers in banking deregulation, mortgage messes.... click link.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/09/15/daily81.html

calcagno45
12-10-2008, 08:48 PM
And anyone who dares to raise the questions will have their patriotism questioned or be written off as left wing nut job.


Thanks for exposing yourself. We didn't need a clearer picture.

But.. Most politicians are being busted for their illicit affairs. Democrats and Republicans both. Especially the ones that want to sell there senate seat to the highest bidder or Jesse Jackson Jr....


And as I keep saying his lie clearly outweighs Bush and his administration lying about the WMDs

Prove it. There's no evidence that there was or never was WMD's. But they surely needed an @$$ kicking, don't you think? What if I drive all the way out to your house, steal your car, and drive it through your house. And then steal your other car and drive it into your mom's house? Are you going to sit back and say "o well..." I think not. I mean you could call the cop. I guess we could have called the UN.. but thats another story.


Again, the hypocrisy. We spent millions trying to nab Clinton in a lie, but we cannot even ask if Bush lied without being labeled or questioned.


I truly believe that Bush will go down in history as a man of great integrity, and as a man that put the safety of the US citizens first.
Now whether he lied about war, I truly don't know. But I do believe we had to retaliate. We are the greatest and most powerful nation in the world.

Its Right or wrong sir....:buttrock:

Bill-SOCAL
12-10-2008, 09:03 PM
I truly believe that Bush will go down in history as a man of great integrity, and as a man that put the safety of the US citizens first.


And believe he will go down in history as perhaps the worst President this great nation has had to date and as a man who put the interests of his friends and himself before all else. Worse, he did it under the guise of "Patriotism".

So, we are at an impasse. Honestly I see no good coming from further exchanges on this topic. There is nothing that either side can say to sway the other side. So there it is.

Now back to something important, like length limits!!!

ghostofpf1
12-10-2008, 09:11 PM
I truly believe that Bush will go down in history as a man of great integrity, and as a man that put the safety of the US citizens first.

:lol::lol::lol:

Ghost

calcagno45
12-10-2008, 09:26 PM
Laugh if you will, but watch as history progresses...

And when you say Clinton, what is said? "He got a BJ and 'puffed' weed." Touche:tiphat:

Length limits? Hmm I think that would be the best thing for Legislative. Get new and informed views and opinions, true to the people, in office. Instead of, my state, ten term dollar Bill Jefferson. The longer they are in there, the more complacent they become. Out with the old, in with the new. I think both sides should agree on that, except for those already in there.

However, that becomes an issue of the extremist and radical that want "change." I'm not too sure what change is coming?