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rayzerdesigns
08-28-2016, 10:20 PM
Who's ready??

madmikepags
08-29-2016, 02:46 PM
I am ready, will you please run P cat and Q offshore??? and Q mono?????

Darin Jordan
08-29-2016, 02:54 PM
I am ready, will you please run P cat and Q offshore??? and Q mono?????

Boom. Count me in for all three of those. :)

Rookieboater
08-29-2016, 05:12 PM
I'm in with Q-Mono. May have a P-Cat by then. Of Course I'm in with Q-Sport Hydro.

Darin Jordan
08-29-2016, 05:17 PM
I'm going to work with my family and do my best to make this event this year. Been promising, and it's time to deliver!

My classes at this point, for which I actually already have boats for (shock, gasp, awe, huge surprise) are:


P-Mono
P-OPC Tunnel
P-LTD OPC Tunnel
P-LTD Hydro
P-CAT
Q-Mono
Q-CAT
P-OFFSHORE
Q-OFFSHORE

Probably have a couple others finished before February. I could also probably swing a few other P-LTD boats: CAT, SPORT, MONO.

madmikepags
08-29-2016, 07:55 PM
they wouldn't add P cat or Q offshore last year saying their pond was too small, yet they ran Q mono?????

madmikepags
08-29-2016, 08:03 PM
and please Ray if you have any control make sure its not the weekend before Valentines day!!!!

rayzerdesigns
08-30-2016, 09:34 AM
Mikey I don't think we would get enough for q offshore.. But q mono yes.. And I think we will have p cat

rayzerdesigns
08-30-2016, 09:35 AM
The tentative dates are feb 17-19th

madmikepags
08-31-2016, 12:02 AM
everyone w a q mono can run q offshore??? or run q sprint and let me run my cat w the monos?

rayzerdesigns
08-31-2016, 09:54 AM
I'm not running q offshore with my mono.. Did it at nats.. Too hard on stuff.. We will have q mono and sport Mikey..I will ask others if they are interested..I would actually like to see offshore a set amount of laps

T.S.Davis
08-31-2016, 09:59 AM
Mikey, you'll lap everyone twice if you run your cat against the monos. That thing is utter nonsense.

rayzerdesigns
09-04-2016, 09:13 PM
Looking good for feb 17-19

madmikepags
09-08-2016, 05:07 PM
Thanks Terry!!! But I wouldn't prop it the way I ran against those big cats!!!! Why is offshore too hard on stuff ray??? me and my buddy both ran q offshore in Mi and both ran 13 laps (through a lot of traffic) on a surveyed modified M course and came back with 20% in our batts and nothing over heated? motor and speedos in both boats under 120'?? I'm running a sprintcat and he was running a DF36. If you are getting results different than that then you're doin something wrong???? Feb 17-19 looks good for me and my daughter and probably my buddy Tommy. Please run P cat then I can at least have a couple of classes to run!!!!

rayzerdesigns
09-09-2016, 02:08 AM
I think we can do p cat.. Just don't think we can field a class for q offshore.. Just saying.. I know Jim doesn't like offshore.. Im not going to run my q in offshore.. Haven't worked the bugs out of it since nats..

madmikepags
09-09-2016, 06:50 PM
Really?? I can build a DF36 in a night and have it running perfectly the next day, Q mono or offshore??? Easiest boat I've ever done, literally dropped it in the water after building it and had it running perfectly after about 3 laps.58mph in offshore, had it up to 75 in sprint trim but wouldn't go that fast in an actual race. U need to get ur *!***!***!***!** together in Q brother!!!! my *!***!***!***!** IS DIALED ur just scared to run the offshore king!!!! Oh and BTW I am the only guy ever to run more than 14 laps on a legal modified M course in Q!!!!!

madmikepags
09-09-2016, 06:51 PM
The question is........will you let me run my cat against you guys in mono.

rayzerdesigns
09-10-2016, 02:37 AM
Really?? I can build a DF36 in a night and have it running perfectly the next day, Q mono or offshore??? Easiest boat I've ever done, literally dropped it in the water after building it and had it running perfectly after about 3 laps.58mph in offshore, had it up to 75 in sprint trim but wouldn't go that fast in an actual race. U need to get ur *!***!***!***!** together in Q brother!!!! my *!***!***!***!** IS DIALED ur just scared to run the offshore king!!!! Oh and BTW I am the only guy ever to run more than 14 laps on a legal modified M course in Q!!!!!
Oh Mikey.. We all know ur stuff is dialed.. U tell us every chance u get.. Lol.. I will ask a couple of people I know that are going to run q mono about u running cat with them.. As for q offshore it's just not gonna happen..just not gonna run an offshore class with 3 people..

madmikepags
09-12-2016, 03:05 PM
I have about 3 boats that are DIALED and yes I will tell you every chance I get!!!!! LOL I hear you about running a 3 boat class not worth it.

rayzerdesigns
09-20-2016, 02:54 PM
OK guys and gals, mark your calendars for feb 17-19th 2017 confirmed dates for winter warmups..im gonna try and make this the best year ever

T.S.Davis
09-20-2016, 03:42 PM
I have about 3 boats that are DIALED and yes I will tell you every chance I get!!!!! LOL I hear you about running a 3 boat class not worth it.

No they're not. He'll still be building them when he gets there.

rayzerdesigns
09-20-2016, 05:42 PM
Lol

madmikepags
09-20-2016, 07:46 PM
I do have 3 I swear!!!! LOL!!!! My P-cat, Q-cat, and 1/8 scale!!!! OK there's my 3, anything else is pretty much a shot in the dark!!!!!

rayzerdesigns
09-22-2016, 01:51 AM
February 17-19th!!

T.S.Davis
09-22-2016, 09:00 AM
haha You're just like me Mike. I have a short list of boats I just trust then a ton more that are a crap shoot. Could be great or.......could embarrass me.

rayzerdesigns
09-23-2016, 09:59 PM
Only one way to know.. Race!! By the way I have something special for offshore this year.. New layout.. Should be fun

rayzerdesigns
09-23-2016, 10:01 PM
If u guys out there can drum up interest I like the idea of p cat

madmikepags
10-17-2016, 06:40 PM
well we have at least 3, you me and my buddy Tom, and I'm sure we can get at least 3 more???

T.S.Davis
10-17-2016, 07:55 PM
Castellani has a killer Cheetah. Jam a stick in Darin's cage.

rayzerdesigns
10-17-2016, 08:08 PM
Darin's has a national title!! Take that stick sir.. lololol

T.S.Davis
10-17-2016, 09:09 PM
I just meant to get him to Scottsdale. Put him, Catstellani, and PAGS in some heats together. That's good watch'n right there.

rayzerdesigns
10-17-2016, 09:34 PM
He's already committed to coming.. he's not getting out of it..and Newland said if he shows.. he will race.. and btw.. don't count me out if that discussion

T.S.Davis
10-17-2016, 10:01 PM
Haha. Ray who? Never heard of him.

Seriously though. Mike, how hard would it be to spit out a kit in the 33 or 34 inch range? There isn't a whole lot of options for limited. Well......for some of us that is.

T.S.Davis
10-17-2016, 10:02 PM
I have my threads corn fused.

rayzerdesigns
11-08-2016, 12:44 PM
Signups will open tomorrow on racemasterevents.com

rayzerdesigns
11-09-2016, 07:13 PM
Signups are open

rayzerdesigns
11-09-2016, 07:18 PM
Www.racemastersevents.com

T.S.Davis
11-10-2016, 02:33 PM
Sorry Ray. No NAMBA for me.

rayzerdesigns
11-10-2016, 09:20 PM
Im sent Terry.. no excuses

Rookieboater
11-11-2016, 04:57 PM
I know its not a money thing but Ill cover your fee and sign you up so you don't have to even look at the web-site :):):):):):):):):):)

Robert Holland

Rookieboater
11-11-2016, 05:09 PM
Ray Ray Ray Ray-------- Why no P-limited Rigger???????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????

rayzerdesigns
11-14-2016, 07:33 PM
I must have missed it.. it will be there

madmikepags
11-14-2016, 07:45 PM
p limited hydro is P-limited rigger!!!! It's there! Me and my daughter are all signed up!!!!

rayzerdesigns
11-14-2016, 08:28 PM
I thought I put it in.. it is called hydro.. not sort hydro

T.S.Davis
11-15-2016, 10:24 AM
Tyler and I are 99.9% committed. Tom is in even though I don't think he's signed up yet. I suspect double K will want to go even though he's busy the weekend prior..............because he's a lunatic.

I'll be quizzing the remainder of my guys this Saturday to see if I can get any more takers.

rayzerdesigns
11-15-2016, 10:34 AM
Awesome terry.. should be a great weekend for sure..

T.S.Davis
11-15-2016, 12:11 PM
Putting together some budget numbers for them too so they know what it takes to get there.

madmikepags
11-15-2016, 12:20 PM
hey wanna know where everyone will be staying? is there a host hotel with a special rate?

T.S.Davis
11-15-2016, 12:40 PM
Mike, I'll shoot for that Country Inn and Suites where we stayed before. Shuttle down town!!!

Guys, this is a fun trip. Especially if you live where the weather totally sucks all winter. So nice down there in February. Imagine......shorts......at night even! IN freak'n February.

rayzerdesigns
11-15-2016, 10:07 PM
Great weather.. Great racing.. Great friendships.. And a great time.. This year is shaping up to be the biggest and best yet.

macomb
11-16-2016, 02:03 PM
[QUOTE=T.S.Davis;677521]Tyler and I are 99.9% committed. Tom is in even though I don't think he's signed up yet. I suspect double K will want to go even though he's busy the weekend prior..............because he's a lunatic.

I will look at the dates this weekend. I think I come home the Monday before this.
I assume we would leave on Thursday???

T.S.Davis
11-16-2016, 04:55 PM
That was my plan. We've done that before. We would fly the 16th.

You can fly Friday and make it to the race on time with the time change but you only get a half day of open water on Friday to begin with so to get there early enough to get our gear, get to the site, run our crap, screw stuff up.......just better to fly Thursday.

rayzerdesigns
11-17-2016, 06:35 PM
pags i only saw your daughter entered..not you

madmikepags
11-18-2016, 09:43 PM
only she is racing I'm a pit guy!!!! There was some screw up w my entry i gotta go on and fix it, My buddy Tom Baffer is coming too!!!

rayzerdesigns
11-19-2016, 11:21 AM
I truly appreciate you guys coming down..this is looking to be the best year yet..

T.S.Davis
12-08-2016, 03:15 PM
Ray, everything is booked. Ty and I haven't signed up yet though. I'm stalling until Dec 25th. Wink Wink. We'll be there. No worries.

photohoward1
12-08-2016, 05:00 PM
Just curios but what are the spec rules? Motor size or just the same as the last few years?


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photohoward1
12-08-2016, 05:03 PM
Also why can't I find a list of classes?


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rayzerdesigns
12-09-2016, 11:10 AM
We use current namba rules.. the classes are on racemastersevents site..but I will list again
P limited
Cat
Mono
Offshore
Rigger
Sport hydro
Opc

P
Mono
Cat
Offshore
Sport hydro

Q
Mono
Sport hydro

1/10
Vintage
Modern

T.S.Davis
12-09-2016, 11:18 AM
Ray, I thought we talked about allowing a few more motors.

rayzerdesigns
12-09-2016, 12:20 PM
We did terry..still have to finalize it next weekend with club..but if they have current approved that would be easier....but that being said I'm thinking the limit with ur size with 2000kv like we talked about

T.S.Davis
12-09-2016, 01:11 PM
We're not looking to upset your apple cart. Although, jamming a stick in Newland's cage does bring me a certain level of joy.

We'll work around it no matter what. Hugs.

rayzerdesigns
12-14-2016, 11:55 PM
11 racers 65 boats so far.. keep them coming guys!!

T.S.Davis
12-15-2016, 08:38 AM
It's 5 degrees in MI today.....damn it.

rayzerdesigns
12-15-2016, 09:59 AM
78 today in Phoenix.. mid 60s rest of week

RandyatBBY
12-15-2016, 11:20 AM
61 now in Nor Cal High 50fites for the rest of the week. Love this weather! Sooo comfortable.

T.S.Davis
12-15-2016, 01:11 PM
Think I'll head out and do some testing this afternoon for WW..............................................da mn it!

TRUCKPULL
12-15-2016, 08:20 PM
Think I'll head out and do some testing this afternoon for WW..............................................da mn it!

Terry
Find a nice snow covered field, and go run a CAT.( you got to add a big prop though)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuNt0PUahTY

Larry

MarkF
12-16-2016, 02:23 PM
Ray

How long is the drive from Las Vegas? Also no T mono?

Mark

T.S.Davis
12-16-2016, 02:25 PM
Also no T mono?

Better have wheels on it.

MarkF
12-16-2016, 02:35 PM
Why is the pond small or are you referring to it being choppy.

Mark

rayzerdesigns
12-16-2016, 06:17 PM
Ray

How long is the drive from Las Vegas? Also no T mono?

Mark
Mark it's about 4.5 hour drive

rayzerdesigns
12-16-2016, 06:18 PM
The pond is a little small.. we can almost get the length.. but turn 2 is a little narrow.... but we're hoping next year they take the peninsula out.. then it will be regulation vourse

T.S.Davis
12-16-2016, 07:41 PM
I flipped my P mono coming oit of 4. Landed in the grass. First run on it. Couple that to it being a silly setup to begin with.

photohoward1
12-16-2016, 10:04 PM
A few years back we ran T Mono. It was a hoot. I think someone skimmed the shore a couple times.

properchopper
12-17-2016, 03:19 PM
A few years back we ran T Mono. It was a hoot. I think someone skimmed the shore a couple times.

"It's like a Hurricane...."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSdGMaEcZIU

rayzerdesigns
12-17-2016, 06:28 PM
That's not the pond we run on now.. and t mono is prob 15 mph faster at least now

properchopper
12-17-2016, 06:54 PM
That's not the pond we run on now.. and t mono is prob 15 mph faster at least now


McKellips was being worked on ; this was a last minute alternative. SMALL so straightaway speed was lessened - wall came up fast:ohmy:

rayzerdesigns
12-24-2016, 12:56 PM
Merry xmas all..
we are up to 70 entries right now.. keep them coming.. signups are at www.racemastersevents.com

rayzerdesigns
12-29-2016, 05:54 PM
We have cracked the 100 entry barrier!!

madmikepags
12-29-2016, 08:32 PM
Just booke my flights!!!! Now all I need is a Hotel and to get some boats ready to race????? Dont even know what I entered, Oh well I'll figure it out.

madmikepags
12-31-2016, 07:26 PM
What hotel??? Terry doesn't answer calls or texts!!!!!!! BOOOOO

T.S.Davis
12-31-2016, 08:31 PM
I don't know where we're staying. Tom booked the room and our flights.

rayzerdesigns
01-01-2017, 01:30 PM
Mike is your pit buddy/friend coming??

madmikepags
01-03-2017, 08:23 PM
Just confirmed my buddy Tom Baffer is coming, he will sign up soon

ray schrauwen
01-03-2017, 08:48 PM
Terry
Find a nice snow covered field, and go run a CAT.( you got to add a big prop though)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuNt0PUahTY

Larry

What kind of snow is best Larry?

TRUCKPULL
01-04-2017, 12:53 AM
What kind of snow is best Larry?

I don't know Ray, I have never tried it.

Larry

madmikepags
01-06-2017, 03:20 PM
All plans made, cant wait to run boats again!!!!

RandyatBBY
01-06-2017, 05:14 PM
My pit person backed out said hotels are $225 a night

T.S.Davis
01-06-2017, 05:46 PM
It can be done cheaper Randy. Think Mike found something more reasonable on the north side of Scottsdale.

I'm just looming forward to a body of water that isn't like granite. Just drive by our home pond. Hard as stone.

RandyatBBY
01-06-2017, 07:12 PM
Let us know what hotel.

photohoward1
01-06-2017, 07:22 PM
I think I stayed at the Motel 6 one year. Cheap but a bit (sketchy) as my kids would say. I am pretty sure you could find a cheap escort too relatively easy.

T.S.Davis
01-06-2017, 07:36 PM
Scottsdale Inn Mike found at $128 per night.
I don't know anything about the area though.

RandyatBBY
01-06-2017, 07:47 PM
Ok I have a hotel, next the sign up.

Steve liked the escort idea and is coming.

RandyatBBY
01-06-2017, 08:31 PM
Ok you now have 18 contestants.

Shooter
01-06-2017, 08:45 PM
I just recently visited Tempe. Stayed at the Double Tree. It was nice. Also, I'd recommend eating at the Rustler's Rooste. Great tourist place. .......and I did actually eat the snake!

T.S.Davis
01-06-2017, 10:31 PM
It'll be nice to see ya Randy. I don't think we've been on the same place where neither of us was in charge of anything since about 2003 or so. Maybe Ray can provide some walkers for us.

RandyatBBY
01-06-2017, 11:14 PM
It'll be nice to see ya Randy. I don't think we've been on the same place where neither of us was in charge of anything since about 2003 or so. Maybe Ray can provide some walkers for us.

You are not that old are ya???

rayzerdesigns
01-09-2017, 12:24 PM
Signups are still open at www.racemastersevents.com

RandyatBBY
01-09-2017, 02:29 PM
Heck don't I look like a spring chicken. I guess I am opening up the door for abuse. Lol :-)
148630

madmikepags
01-13-2017, 09:39 PM
It's ON like DONKEY KONG!!!!

madmikepags
01-13-2017, 09:40 PM
I'm coming to Arizona to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I ain't bringin any bubblegum!!!!

madmikepags
01-13-2017, 09:42 PM
And I will say to the six fingered man "my name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die"

madmikepags
01-13-2017, 09:43 PM
I'm gonna Beat Ray like a Redheaded stepchild on a month full of sundays

madmikepags
01-13-2017, 09:44 PM
No ray you can't have sprinkles, sprinkles are for winners

madmikepags
01-13-2017, 09:45 PM
Yea, I could tell you what props I'm runnin,......But then I'd have to kill you

madmikepags
01-13-2017, 09:46 PM
"I am a GOLDEN GOD"

madmikepags
01-13-2017, 09:47 PM
sorry guys I spilled a bottle of ether here at work and I'm feelin a littlle woooozy.............

madmikepags
01-13-2017, 09:52 PM
Oh BTW Terry when they're cheap, they're not called "escorts" they're called hookers!!!! Escort has a Higher echelon sound to it where "hooker" just sounds cheap! Either way I'm up for any type!!!!! LOL

photohoward1
01-14-2017, 10:27 AM
Mike...Are you sure it was only Ether?

rayzerdesigns
01-15-2017, 10:52 PM
Mike is drunk

rayzerdesigns
01-15-2017, 10:56 PM
Ok folks final rule update on p limited motor rules.. we are going to let the size rule play out for this race.. but with a max kv of 2000.. we held our last club race today..I have been talking with Terry Davis.. and he agree to that.. so there ya go..looking fwd to February 17-19.. and some great racing and good times..if any hasn't signed up yet..(darin jordan)..�� Get them in.. I need to get tables and chairs ordered..

Darin Jordan
01-16-2017, 10:32 AM
Ray, after my wife and I started looking at everything we have going on this year, including a Sweet 16 Birthday for my daughter, an 18th Birthday for the Boy, my 20th Wedding anniversary, I'm not going to be able to pull this off. Sorry, Man. It definitely looks like a good time... especially if Pags keeps "spilling ether". Going to have to just be content getting my racing fix locally this summer. Really sorry guys.

rayzerdesigns
01-16-2017, 11:16 AM
Thought u we're sharing a room with haines

Steven Vaccaro
01-16-2017, 11:42 AM
Have the classes for Saturday and Sunday been decided? I know these are running, but which on what day?

Saturday and Sunday
Open water till 10am
the 6 rounds 3 per day of
1/10 Modern
1/10th Vintage
P Limited Offshore
P Limited OPC
P Limited Sport Hydro
P Limited Cat
Q Mono
Q Sport Hydro
P Mono

Darin Jordan
01-16-2017, 11:53 AM
Thought u we're sharing a room with haines

That was going to be the plan if it worked out on my end.

rayzerdesigns
01-16-2017, 12:09 PM
Have the classes for Saturday and Sunday been decided? I know these are running, but which on what day?

Saturday and Sunday
Open water till 10am
the 6 rounds 3 per day of
1/10 Modern
1/10th Vintage
P Limited Offshore
P Limited OPC
P Limited Sport Hydro
P Limited Cat
Q Mono
Q Sport Hydro
P Mono

Hey Steven we run 3 rounds sat and 3 rounds Sunday of each of those classes.. hope that makes sense

Steven Vaccaro
01-16-2017, 12:20 PM
Hey Steven we run 3 rounds sat and 3 rounds Sunday of each of those classes.. hope that makes sense

So a total of 6 rounds of each class?

rayzerdesigns
01-16-2017, 12:44 PM
On those classes yes.. Friday is 4 rounds of the classes listed there

Rookieboater
01-16-2017, 02:56 PM
Signups are still open at www.racemastersevents.com

When are you closing entries? I may have an additional class or two.

Robert

T.S.Davis
01-16-2017, 03:00 PM
Awe that sucks Darin.

When you come to Michigan in June you can stay with me an Ty on site. No cost at all. Just git here. Food's cheap. No car rental needed. We'll pick you up.

Always work'n the angle.

T.S.Davis
01-16-2017, 03:08 PM
Ok folks final rule update on p limited motor rules.. we are going to let the size rule play out for this race.. but with a max kv of 2000.. we held our last club race today..I have been talking with Terry Davis.. and he agree to that.. so there ya go..looking fwd to February 17-19.. and some great racing and good times..if any hasn't signed up yet..(darin jordan)..�� Get them in.. I need to get tables and chairs ordered..

Be sure to thank the gang on our behalf. We're heading in a different direction and would like to test so to speak but we also didn't want to kick over your clubs bucket of fun either. I don't think we'll see much difference in the setups at this stage anyway. We're still learning what's what.

Us roving racers will be looking for shelter and power too.

Mike, I said walkers not hookers. Oh.....wait......I see where your brain is at.

rayzerdesigns
01-16-2017, 04:19 PM
They will close feb 3 at midnight

T.S.Davis
01-19-2017, 05:55 PM
How sweet is that!? Tyler's mid winter break starts Feb 17th and he goes back to school the following Tuesday. He only misses one day of school.

madmikepags
01-19-2017, 08:22 PM
Yea Nina actually is off the 17th to the 20th so she wont miss any!!!

madmikepags
02-02-2017, 05:00 PM
no chit chat??????

rayzerdesigns
02-02-2017, 10:04 PM
We're just waiting for you to tell us how fast ur boats we;(����

rayzerdesigns
02-02-2017, 10:08 PM
This year is shaping up to be crazy competitive.. Newland out of retirement.. Pags and his daughter..terry and Tyler.. Ken Haines and his son..Jim Osborne.. yes.. Robert Holland..I want to take the time to thank each and everyone of you guys and gals that are coming this year.. means a lot.. my first year putting on the event..looking forward to seeing everyone.. and thanks to all that stepped up and helped with sponsorship..2 weeks is coming up fast

T.S.Davis
02-03-2017, 09:05 AM
I'm really struggling to be ready for this event. Hope everything runs right.

Warm weather, good people, that's enough for me.

rayzerdesigns
02-03-2017, 10:41 AM
We know u are a boat building genius terry.. u can do it

T.S.Davis
02-03-2017, 11:12 AM
So many crumbs I keep finding undone. Frustrating as hell.

And what's up with the bushings in these TFL struts of late? So tight the shafts wont turn in them. That's frustrating too. ugh!

madmikepags
02-03-2017, 11:58 AM
Just run a drill bit through them for a minute or two terry with some light oil like 3 in 1 it will loosen it up and the oil will make it smooth, the aeromarine ones used to be like that too, but there's nothing like a speedmaster w/ the replaceable sleeve. I would be in the same "boat" (hahahaha) Terry, but fortunately for me I have Chris and Danny Fine close to me, so I was able to drop my problems off to them and at least I know they know what they're doing.
Oh by the way Ray my *!***!***!***!** is dialed brother, so fast so crazy efficient, but unfortunately for you guys my daughter Nina will be running those boats!!!!!! My boats SUCK!!!!!

MarkF
02-11-2017, 04:12 AM
Ray
What do I need to bring? I have any easy up and tables but what about electricity? Do I need to bring the easy up and tables?

Mark

madmikepags
02-11-2017, 11:41 AM
Hey Ray Ray (or is it re re)??? My crew is 3 people, so we will be needing 3 tables, chairs, power, and sufficient shade. If you need to buy anything to accomodate us let me know I will be glad to pay for anything you might need. I also need to know what you will have there available at the site for drinking and eating? I will be with my daughter so i need to know if I have to grab my own cooler or not. Thanks and I'm really looking forward to seeing everyone!!!!!!

T.S.Davis
02-11-2017, 01:01 PM
Yeah, us too. We'll be in Thursday to stake a claim to space. If that makes any sense. If you need help with labor give us a shout.

Really looking forward to this one.

RandyatBBY
02-11-2017, 06:06 PM
Steve and my self will be driving down Wednesday. be there bright and early Thursday to check it out and get a better spot than Terry. LOL.

ray schrauwen
02-11-2017, 06:13 PM
Have fun and take lots of pictures please! More of Ray's DF Pathfinder please. Gots to know all the details!:bounce:

rayzerdesigns
02-13-2017, 08:34 AM
Hey guys and gals.. just catching up.. if you are driving in please bring tables and chairs.. and easy up.. looks like we might have a chance for rain.. also if driving please bring generators if possible.. I will be renting tables and chairs for those of you flying in..lunches will be provided along with water and sodas..

Doug Smock
02-15-2017, 07:11 AM
Good luck fellas, and ladies!:wink:

T.S.Davis
02-15-2017, 08:59 AM
Ya know what would be entertaining?

Put Randy and I in the retrieve boat. One will be saying "slow down, I can't pick them up that fast" while the other is saying "I can't, we're taking on water"

Any of you that have raced with either of us regularly will know why that's funny.

rayzerdesigns
02-15-2017, 09:39 AM
Lol

RandyatBBY
02-15-2017, 12:12 PM
also LOL :-)

Traveling today see ya all tomorrow.

Darin Jordan
02-15-2017, 12:17 PM
also LOL :-)

Traveling today see ya all tomorrow.

Just make sure that you have some pants on at 2AM when you are out testing this time... :)

D. Newland
02-15-2017, 12:31 PM
Ya know what would be entertaining?

Put Randy and I in the retrieve boat. One will be saying "slow down, I can't pick them up that fast" while the other is saying "I can't, we're taking on water"

Any of you that have raced with either of us regularly will know why that's funny.

Was that the '05 Nats where Randy was standing in the aluminum retrieve boat, moments before the F2 tornado hit? Dark clouds swirling, lighting strikes, winds picking up, folded/stacked pit tables starting to take flight. It was almost a religious experience.

TRUCKPULL
02-15-2017, 12:31 PM
Just make sure that you have some pants on at 2AM when you are out testing this time... :)

Now that is a mental picture that I will never get out of my head.:scared:

All you guy's have fun this weekend.

Larry

T.S.Davis
02-15-2017, 12:43 PM
Dave, that was 05. 3500 sqft of tent hanging on to their tethers for dear life.

Randy, my boats are in a crate at FedEx. They're probably taking on water as I type.

RandyatBBY
02-15-2017, 12:52 PM
Cool dudes I will enjoy seeing you all again.

Darrin that was a spring fling in the PNW and it was a fire drill at the hotel. I cared more about my boats than pants. I was running around in my jammies with favorit boats ni hand. Thwaits, and every one was there.

Gotto go see ya all soon.

Darin Jordan
02-15-2017, 12:56 PM
Cool dudes I will enjoy seeing you all again.

Darrin that was a spring fling in the PNW and it was a fire drill at the hotel. I cared more about my boats than pants. I was running around in my jammies with favorit boats ni hand. Thwaits, and every one was there.

Gotto go see ya all soon.

Minden Nationals... P-Hydro testing... :)

T.S.Davis
02-15-2017, 01:18 PM
When that storm came up in 05, Randy was so focused on finding a boat that I don't think he even noticed there was weather coming. We had to yell out to him. He got off the water just in time. The rain was so intense that the pond overflowed up onto the sidewalk. A tornado ripped the roof off the nearest Walmart.

It was good time. I think..............some of it I can't remember.

rayzerdesigns
02-15-2017, 09:51 PM
Well guys and gals.. to say I'm excited and nervous is an understatement.. hopefully our weather forecast clears up.. looking fed to seeing everyone..I hope everyone enjoys themselves.. big shout out to all of our sponsors.. and everyone who has helped with putting this race on.. it's my first time actually organizing it.. mad props to those of you that do it on a regular basis.. we will be setting up drivers stand tomorrow and I think course also..if anyone wants to help.. be there around 1115.. thanks again.. see everyone soon

Tom Baffer Jr
02-16-2017, 06:24 PM
Waiting to get on the plane !!! Here I come AZ !!!

Tom Baffer Jr
02-16-2017, 07:39 PM
Any pics of the course !! It's cold in NY

TRUCKPULL
02-18-2017, 07:42 PM
What NO pictures, or talk about the racing??

Us people up here in the cold that couldn't go need information.

Larry

ray schrauwen
02-18-2017, 08:05 PM
Booo, Hisssss... lol...Bad weather?

Larry if you aren't busy tomorrow we could Skype. I need to talk boats with someone, lol... Want to pick your brain on setups. This time I'll write it down. :tongue_smilie:

Doug Smock
02-20-2017, 01:00 PM
Ok folks final rule update on p limited motor rules.. we are going to let the size rule play out for this race.. but with a max kv of 2000.. we held our last club race today..I have been talking with Terry Davis.. and he agree to that.. so there ya go..

Hope everyone had a good time.

When you guys recover I'd like to know how the motor rules panned out. I'm pretty sure this is the first race that relaxed them a bit, and we're doing something similar for the Spring Nats.

What did you learn??

Thanks all,

D.

D. Newland
02-20-2017, 01:17 PM
The weather wasn't too bad. Great day Friday, Saturday had some rain (delayed maybe 20 min throughout the day) and some wind, but just enough to still be able to race through it. Sunday was better with a bit of rain while setting up pits, but the pond got flooded and a huge debris field kept us from running the final round 6 of P Mono. All in all, I think we lucked out considering what the forecast was looking like before the event.

More info will spill in later, but I must say that WW XIII was the best attended ever. Thanks to all of you that made the trip. Guys came from 7 states. Mark Ferreira from Nevada, Randy and Steve from Nor Cal, Brad Lewis from Oregon, Pags, Nina Pags and Tom Baffer from New York, Terry, Tyler, Castellani and Kevin Kosciolek from Michigan, Robert Holland from Colorado and Haines/Feddy from Florida. What a tremendous effort these guys pulled off to get here to race!

My new friend, Baffer, will have 229 haunting his dreams for a few months. Or maybe my dreams will be haunted by him yelling, "229 will haunt my dreams". What a hoot. We gave him the mic during the award ceremony. Classic Tom. With all due respect to the other racers, he really is what WW is all about. Testing, tuning, learning, tweaking, and laughing all weekend long. Nina raced her heart out, even powering through not feeling well the last day. Pags was in rare form, taped up well before each heat and helping our event keep pace. The Michigan boys (Terry and Tom) brought Tyler along to play this time, as well as new racer Kevin Kosciolek. Brad Lewis ran some excellent laps with his 1/10th scales. Randy and Steve's trip was cut short due to Steve not feeling well. I hope he's doing better. It was also nice to finally meet Feddy and I'm glad to see that Ken is back in action after the theft loss last summer. It was also great to catch up with Mark Ferriera, who's still running his Insane LSH with 2030 motor from the '12 Nats! He still had my tech zip tie on the wire. And still fast, too.

Tyler Davis is my new inspiration. That young man soaks up FE racing knowledge like a sponge. I pitted for him for many heats and raced against him in a few. He doesn't get rattled. Ever. I was on his hip for 8 1/2 laps in P-Ltd Offshore, working harder than I care to admit, and finally succumbed to his prop wash while making an aggressive pass move. He is a huge force to be reckoned with, and will be at the top of this hobby shortly. Actually, he's already there in my book.

Big thanks to Richard Romero who filled in as CD at the last minute due to Lenny Blake needing to attend to some family matters. Richard is our NAMBA Dist 19 Director and is working hard on the '17 NAMBA Nat's in Vegas coming up in October. He's a class act and is a huge addition to any event he attends.

And also congratulations to Ray for pulling off his first WW event. He was pulled in many directions, like that rubber man doll you all had as a kid, but he kept it together. Thanks, Ray!

ray schrauwen
02-20-2017, 01:43 PM
Nice update, thank you!

Doug Smock
02-20-2017, 02:03 PM
Good stuff David!

Jim Osborne
02-20-2017, 03:34 PM
A big thanks to Newland for his return to the hobby after a little time off. He is a tremendous asset to this side of the hobby. Always a great time even if the weather wasn't typical AZ.

MarkF
02-20-2017, 04:56 PM
I haven't raced in quit a while and it was a blast to get out there again. Thanks to Ray and Dave for getting this race done with bad weather to contend with.

Mark

RandyatBBY
02-20-2017, 05:26 PM
Back in the shop now after the trip to Az. It seams like no matter where I go it It is pouring rain. It was clear on the way down to Az and the first day racing. Saturday I felt like I was in a monsoon. It rained most of the way home and today a Storm is coming. I did not bring my rain coat and boots to the race, I felt it was no need to use them is a little storm in the desert. Boy was I wrong. Steve is feeling better. Great to see old friends and meet new ones. Thanks to Dave and Ray for the great race.

T.S.Davis
02-21-2017, 11:42 AM
Good times. Always fun time when I get to hang with boat people. They are well and truly the salt of the earth. I tried to hang out in every pit area for a few minutes. If I missed anyone I apologize.

The MMEU gang fought numerous gremlins over the weekend. It is the middle of winter for us. We're racing boats stuff untested in some cases. Some gremlins we overcame. Tom's scale hung and won against some of the fasts scales I've ever seen. Kevin and I were less successful but we did manage to place in a couple classes still. Ty placed in 4 of his 6 classes. In LSH the wire drive broke twice! He had a shot at that class too were it not for that.

Tyler is becoming one of those buggers you want to race and you well.....don't want to have to race too. He was leading P mono going into the 5th round. All he really needed to do was keep finishing and nobody could catch him by points. When he saw that Haines was in his heat he wanted to race him for real. Not just bag off and take the points. They went after it hard. Ty spun and sucked a servo wire into the flex cable. Ken flipped in the same turn. Ken felt bad like he was pushing Ty too hard. Ty wanted it. Wanted to beat him heads up. As soon as I figure out how I'll upload the video. They didn't finish but it's still a good watch. For me it was "must watch" racing every time he went out. Proud dad....sniffle. haha

On the motors......

Tyler and I ran 1950's in LSH. Mine was a loaner boat and was hit twice while capsized. It was split the entire after-plain at the seem. We learned nothing with that boat. Tyler was really fast but still not nearly as fast as Presnell who was running the PB1500 motor. So no real gain in performance that we experienced. In fairness and honesty though, it was our first race with the setups. There is likely more in the tank. Enough to catch Ray? No idea. That Whip is no joke.

In offshore Tyler and Ray were running PB1500's. Ty was 10.5 laps consistent with the brand new Cyberstorm. Still needs work. Ray was turning 11.5 with ease on the 1500. That boat is a beast. I would describe it as perfect. I ran a TP in offshore with 1750kv. My best run was 10.5 laps with 19% left in the batteries. In fairness and honesty again, I was running a crap line off the hairpin on the back straight. Couldn't force myself to turn early enough. Rusty I guess. That's where Ray was killing everyone I think. There was a good line back there and I just couldn't hit it. I doubt seriously that even if I could have run the right line I would have exceeded Rays laps. He was on it. I maybe, mighta, coulda, matched but I don't think I had speed enough to win.

My gut is that the motors aren't going to make a enough difference for the average racer to exploit. The target audience for these classes isn't the go fast super freaks. It's guys that want competition without requiring an output of massive dollars on motors and speedo. I guy like Brian maybe could take one of these motors to a crazy place but he's not the average racer. There isn't a Buass at every venue. He could tape branches to 2x4 and be faster than me.

FYI, in case I haven't mentioned it before. Our guys are testing every end of the spectrum on the motors. From the original limited list to Lehner. Even some custom built motors. If it fits it runs. At the end of the season we'll see what we've learned. We'll revisit it and make changes if it looks like it's a bust.

rayzerdesigns
02-21-2017, 12:14 PM
Thx for the kind words terry.. I think the motors have potential.. as for the 1509s I can guarantee I have more time on those motors than anyone.. I haven't used anything else in 2 years.. and I race and test a lot.. and not a single failure in that time.. and yes I couldn't ask for a better mono for offshore.. I think I went half a lap faster than any of the p offshore boats..thanks again for coming out.. your kid is gonna be fast.. hopefully u talk Richard into cding for you.. thx again for all that came out.. now to prep the gas boats.. and put the fe boats in storage for nats

ray schrauwen
02-21-2017, 12:22 PM
Good times. Always fun time when I get to hang with boat people. They are well and truly the salt of the earth. I tried to hang out in every pit area for a few minutes. If I missed anyone I apologize.

The MMEU gang fought numerous gremlins over the weekend. It is the middle of winter for us. We're racing boats stuff untested in some cases. Some gremlins we overcame. Tom's scale hung and won against some of the fasts scales I've ever seen. Kevin and I were less successful but we did manage to place in a couple classes still. Ty placed in 4 of his 6 classes. In LSH the wire drive broke twice! He had a shot at that class too were it not for that.

Tyler is becoming one of those buggers you want to race and you well.....don't want to have to race too. He was leading P mono going into the 5th round. All he really needed to do was keep finishing and nobody could catch him by points. When he saw that Haines was in his heat he wanted to race him for real. Not just bag off and take the points. They went after it hard. Ty spun and sucked a servo wire into the flex cable. Ken flipped in the same turn. Ken felt bad like he was pushing Ty too hard. Ty wanted it. Wanted to beat him heads up. As soon as I figure out how I'll upload the video. They didn't finish but it's still a good watch. For me it was "must watch" racing every time he went out. Proud dad....sniffle. haha

On the motors......

Tyler and I ran 1950's in LSH. Mine was a loaner boat and was hit twice while capsized. It was split the entire after-plain at the seem. We learned nothing with that boat. Tyler was really fast but still not nearly as fast as Presnell who was running the PB1500 motor. So no real gain in performance that we experienced. In fairness and honesty though, it was our first race with the setups. There is likely more in the tank. Enough to catch Ray? No idea. That Whip is no joke.

In offshore Tyler and Ray were running PB1500's. Ty was 10.5 laps consistent with the brand new Cyberstorm. Still needs work. Ray was turning 11.5 with ease on the 1500. That boat is a beast. I would describe it as perfect. I ran a TP in offshore with 1750kv. My best run was 10.5 laps with 19% left in the batteries. In fairness and honesty again, I was running a crap line off the hairpin on the back straight. Couldn't force myself to turn early enough. Rusty I guess. That's where Ray was killing everyone I think. There was a good line back there and I just couldn't hit it. I doubt seriously that even if I could have run the right line I would have exceeded Rays laps. He was on it. I maybe, mighta, coulda, matched but I don't think I had speed enough to win.

My gut is that the motors aren't going to make a enough difference for the average racer to exploit. The target audience for these classes isn't the go fast super freaks. It's guys that want competition without requiring an output of massive dollars on motors and speedo. I guy like Brian maybe could take one of these motors to a crazy place but he's not the average racer. There isn't a Buass at every venue. He could tape branches to 2x4 and be faster than me.

FYI, in case I haven't mentioned it before. Our guys are testing every end of the spectrum on the motors. From the original limited list to Lehner. Even some custom built motors. If it fits it runs. At the end of the season we'll see what we've learned. We'll revisit it and make changes if it looks like it's a bust.

Thank you. Yours and Ty's stories always make my day and the motor info is very nice to help me plan. Got another blue motor coming.

Hey Ray, what mono you running in Spec offshore? I've Been running a df33 but it's a bit of a brick. Thinking a df29?

ray schrauwen
02-21-2017, 12:24 PM
Thx for the kind words terry.. I think the motors have potential.. as for the 1509s I can guarantee I have more time on those motors than anyone.. I haven't used anything else in 2 years.. and I race and test a lot.. and not a single failure in that time.. and yes I couldn't ask for a better mono for offshore.. I think I went half a lap faster than any of the p offshore boats..thanks again for coming out.. your kid is gonna be fast.. hopefully u talk Richard into cding for you.. thx again for all that came out.. now to prep the gas boats.. and put the fe boats in storage for nats


What mono is it? I'm shopping.

Steven Vaccaro
02-21-2017, 12:27 PM
Good times. Always fun time when I get to hang with boat people. They are well and truly the salt of the earth. I tried to hang out in every pit area for a few minutes. If I missed anyone I apologize.

The MMEU gang fought numerous gremlins over the weekend. It is the middle of winter for us. We're racing boats stuff untested in some cases. Some gremlins we overcame. Tom's scale hung and won against some of the fasts scales I've ever seen. Kevin and I were less successful but we did manage to place in a couple classes still. Ty placed in 4 of his 6 classes. In LSH the wire drive broke twice! He had a shot at that class too were it not for that.

Tyler is becoming one of those buggers you want to race and you well.....don't want to have to race too. He was leading P mono going into the 5th round. All he really needed to do was keep finishing and nobody could catch him by points. When he saw that Haines was in his heat he wanted to race him for real. Not just bag off and take the points. They went after it hard. Ty spun and sucked a servo wire into the flex cable. Ken flipped in the same turn. Ken felt bad like he was pushing Ty too hard. Ty wanted it. Wanted to beat him heads up. As soon as I figure out how I'll upload the video. They didn't finish but it's still a good watch. For me it was "must watch" racing every time he went out. Proud dad....sniffle. haha

On the motors......

Tyler and I ran 1950's in LSH. Mine was a loaner boat and was hit twice while capsized. It was split the entire after-plain at the seem. We learned nothing with that boat. Tyler was really fast but still not nearly as fast as Presnell who was running the PB1500 motor. So no real gain in performance that we experienced. In fairness and honesty though, it was our first race with the setups. There is likely more in the tank. Enough to catch Ray? No idea. That Whip is no joke.

In offshore Tyler and Ray were running PB1500's. Ty was 10.5 laps consistent with the brand new Cyberstorm. Still needs work. Ray was turning 11.5 with ease on the 1500. That boat is a beast. I would describe it as perfect. I ran a TP in offshore with 1750kv. My best run was 10.5 laps with 19% left in the batteries. In fairness and honesty again, I was running a crap line off the hairpin on the back straight. Couldn't force myself to turn early enough. Rusty I guess. That's where Ray was killing everyone I think. There was a good line back there and I just couldn't hit it. I doubt seriously that even if I could have run the right line I would have exceeded Rays laps. He was on it. I maybe, mighta, coulda, matched but I don't think I had speed enough to win.

My gut is that the motors aren't going to make a enough difference for the average racer to exploit. The target audience for these classes isn't the go fast super freaks. It's guys that want competition without requiring an output of massive dollars on motors and speedo. I guy like Brian maybe could take one of these motors to a crazy place but he's not the average racer. There isn't a Buass at every venue. He could tape branches to 2x4 and be faster than me.

FYI, in case I haven't mentioned it before. Our guys are testing every end of the spectrum on the motors. From the original limited list to Lehner. Even some custom built motors. If it fits it runs. At the end of the season we'll see what we've learned. We'll revisit it and make changes if it looks like it's a bust.

Ty's enthusiasm is real and backed by a dad that promotes it. Thats nice to see from both of you.

Thanks for the info on the motors. Its all good stuff and the more someone races and not bench races(like me) we will have hard evidence to improve the hobby.

ray schrauwen
02-21-2017, 12:29 PM
Ty's enthusiasm is real and backed by a dad that promotes it. Thats nice to see from both of you.

Thanks for the info on the motors. Its all good stuff and the more someone races and not bench races(like me) we will have hard evidence to improve the hobby.

I'm worse Steve, lol...

T.S.Davis
02-21-2017, 12:51 PM
Ray, the 29 is fast but its a beehotch to drive. D33, Pursuit, or Cyber were the goto boats. Didn't see the new Promarine out there but its a nice looking boat. Not legal for IMPBA mono but and easy fix.

ray schrauwen
02-21-2017, 03:10 PM
Thank Terry. I'll keep my DF Banana boat for that then. Saves me trying to pawn it for peanuts. Even though I hate yellow, I hate wasting money more. Time to score some nasty Geico decals for it, lol... Got a set of Lumar Hydro decals, lol...

I've got to get out for a bit today, getting real nutters lately.:blink:

madmikepags
02-21-2017, 03:58 PM
Hey guys, what a great time, I love racing w all you guys, great competition, great friends and a really great atmosphere.

First off, thanks to Ray and all the Scottsdale model boaters for putting on a great show, especially for us guys that traveled, tents tables chairs and power enuf for everyone!!! The venue is great, even though its a little tight down on the right side it makes for great racing. Everyone there were gentlemen, showing people setup tips, building tricks and everyone willing to show people their little secrets and tricks to go fast, that's what the FE community is all about.

Next, the racing was off the hook. Some really tight racing, some insanely fast boats for the classes they were in. We really don't know how tight the actual classes were because we never saw the scores, but that's fine w me, but I think in the future you should have some sort of computer program doing the scoring and print out the results after every round.

I brought my good buddy Tom Baffer along for the ride and I "think" everyone enjoyed his antics. You must have because you asked him to take the mic and give out the trophies!!!! Tom and I have been racing cars and flying planes together for almost 30 years, his Father owns Bruckner Hobbies in the Bronx and he has been sponsoring us and running races for us all that time. I got Tom into the boats about 2-1/2 years ago and he loves it and has come a long way in a short time. Tommy and his dad Tom Sr. are good people to have involved in any type of racing. They have put together some of the biggest car races in the northeast and I think moving forward we might put something together here in the NY/NJ area.

I personally did OK in my races, my racing program was definitely not on point, I struggled with a couple of boats but my Cat, or as someone called it during the awards (my safety blanket) was my strong point, I raced it in 3 classes and took 2 firsts and a second! I didn't podium in any other class. Special thanks to Dave Newland who built me a bad ass P-Mono, I feel that this boat will be a contender to deal with at many races in the future.

Lastly but most importantly, my daughter Nina who was so sad 2 years ago when I took Ava here instead of her. She made me promise that the next time I came I took her. Well I did and we had a spectacular time together. I just love hanging out with her, she's funny, sweet, calm, cool and collected. She went prop to prop against some of the best competitors in the country. She took care of all of our charging, helped setup and break down, woke up early and stayed up late, all while not feeling well. My little girl was a trooper and I couldn't be more proud of her, not for racing, but for being my best friend all weekend long, being a perfect little lady, and doing more than what was expected of her. Oh and By the way, she wasn't going to run P-Mono because her P-mono boat wasn't very good. Just before her 1st P-mono heat she said "why don't I just run my P-ltd boat in p-mono?" I said great Idea. So she did, and in the 1st heat she placed 2nd, and then another 2nd, and so on and so on. It turned out she was the only person in P mono to complete all their heats, and guess what SHE WON P-MONO, with a P-ltd setup, Oh and YES IT WAS HER OFFSHORE SETUP!!!!!!!! I was so excited and happy for her we almost couldn't believe it.

Hats off to everyone who ran this race, who competed in this race, and who won at this race, and especially My NINA!!!!!!

ray schrauwen
02-21-2017, 04:35 PM
Thanks for the write up Mike, great reading. Maybe one day I'll get south. It would be nice specially in the winter!

T.S.Davis
02-21-2017, 04:40 PM
Mikey, losing to Nina and Tyler was enough to make losing palatable. I was glad to hear she would make the trip to MI too.

I have video of the Baffer awards show too. Worth the price of admission.

Doug Smock
02-21-2017, 05:19 PM
Ty's enthusiasm is real and backed by a dad that promotes it. Thats nice to see from both of you.

Thanks for the info on the motors. Its all good stuff and the more someone races and not bench races(like me) we will have hard evidence to improve the hobby.

:thumbup1:

Ty & Nina will continue to wear us out as long as they are in the hobby. Fede won't be far behind. Good stuff guys!!

T.S.Davis
02-21-2017, 09:27 PM
Let's see if I did this right.


https://youtu.be/pISLySHR1oc

T.S.Davis
02-21-2017, 09:28 PM
Another


https://youtu.be/egP62kBNvhw

ray schrauwen
02-22-2017, 12:48 AM
What's in that blue blaster??? Holy cow!

T.S.Davis
02-22-2017, 11:31 AM
Ain't that sick Ray? Ty still couldn't catch Presnell.

ray schrauwen
02-22-2017, 11:53 AM
Crazy. Crazy good.

Ken Haines
02-22-2017, 02:08 PM
Hey Ray and the Arizona club,
Great event....I will post more this Sunday on my only day off....12 hour days this week are tough :(
Any chance you can post the final race results ?
Thx, Ken

Btw....Nice Video's Terry

MarkF
02-23-2017, 09:01 PM
You guys that ran Q hydro. What motor would you recommend for a Phil Thomas sport 45 hull I'm building? Not sure if a 4070 is good enough or is a 5650 going to be what the boat needs.

Mark

Rookieboater
02-23-2017, 11:00 PM
I've run both the Leopard 5692 and the Neu 1527. Both have been solid motors for me in Q classes.


Robert Holland

MarkF
02-24-2017, 02:46 AM
What did you run a 5692 in? That motor will power a gas size boat.

Mark

Rookieboater
02-24-2017, 12:38 PM
Mark,
The motors I listed are both for a 39" hull. What size hull are you looking at putting an electric motor in? Most gas hulls are larger and would require a different motor. I'm currently building a 44" "gas mono hull" and will be installing the Leopard 56110 835 kv motor.


What did you run a 5692 in? That motor will power a gas size boat.

Mark

T.S.Davis
02-24-2017, 12:40 PM
Mark, if it's the boat we talked about just put the 1527/1y in there and be done with it. That's the goto motor for Q sport.

RandyatBBY
02-24-2017, 02:14 PM
I am trying to get the racers to run the Offshore Class for 4 minutes in my district. We have been running heat racing oval 6 laps. Some of the guys proped down but still are killing batteries. What are some of the setup that were ran? I am trying to help some of the Nitro guys not burn up anything.

madmikepags
02-24-2017, 02:15 PM
Yes I agree, thats what I have in my Q sport and mine is a Whip which is quite a bit heavier than a Phil Thomas hull. The 1527 is pretty much the go to motor for Q in my opinion. If you're looking for a bit more power the 1530/1.5D I believe is 1350 KV and can pull a couple hundred more watts. I tried it in my boat but I can only fit 6000mah in my hull and my cells got very hot. I went back to the 1527.

madmikepags
02-24-2017, 02:25 PM
Hey Randy, for Limited offshore the 1500 motor (forgive me I don't even know the manufacturer) with a 450/2 prop is a good combo, thats what my daughter ran all weekend long in P-lim mono p-lim offshore and P-mono. She ran 2 4s 4000's, a lot of guys run 3700's too. If you're looking for full out P-Offshore I run a 1521/1.5D and I use a 445 /2 prop, and I use 2 4s 5000's, this is a pretty hot setup and will use a lot of the battery. You could also go w a 1515/1Y with the same prop and that would be a little easier on the batteries.

T.S.Davis
02-24-2017, 02:53 PM
Yep, that's what Ty was running too for limited. Same everything pretty much.

T.S.Davis
02-24-2017, 02:56 PM
Not every boat is equal obviously but that 1527/1y in a Thomas still holds the Q sport 2 lap record. That motor works in everything. Want more? Add prop. It can take it. Works in everything Q tht you can dream up too. Mono, cat, sport. Little light on kv for rigger maybe.

RandyatBBY
02-24-2017, 03:06 PM
Yep, that's what Ty was running too for limited. Same everything pretty much.

The limited info will help for some, But It is the open that I need the info for. I am really worried for them. Do you have any Leopard or TP motor setups?

ray schrauwen
02-24-2017, 04:21 PM
Thank you kind sir. Being out of things the lat year I've been scratching my head as to what I should be doing for Mah, etc. Really big thanks to you and others!


Hey Randy, for Limited offshore the 1500 motor (forgive me I don't even know the manufacturer) with a 450/2 prop is a good combo, thats what my daughter ran all weekend long in P-lim mono p-lim offshore and P-mono. She ran 2 4s 4000's, a lot of guys run 3700's too. If you're looking for full out P-Offshore I run a 1521/1.5D and I use a 445 /2 prop, and I use 2 4s 5000's, this is a pretty hot setup and will use a lot of the battery. You could also go w a 1515/1Y with the same prop and that would be a little easier on the batteries.

ray schrauwen
02-24-2017, 04:24 PM
The limited info will help for some, But It is the open that I need the info for. I am really worried for them. Do you have any Leopard or TP motor setups?

Ask Doby, he has decent cool Leopard setups. I think he uses 8000Mah brick packs from HK, Leo 4082 or 4092- 2000kv. Simple esc like a T180 and he will have to tell you props. His setups are quite reliable and fairly competitive. He finishes heats!!

madmikepags
02-24-2017, 05:10 PM
Randy, if it were myself and I was lookin for a TP setup, the TP I would look at is the 3650/3Y (2060kv) that looks comperable to the Neu 1521, you could also use it in straight up P-mono too. I would try it and prop it with a M445 (a little less blade than the X445). It will prob be a little more efficient than the Neu 1521 B/C its a Y wind and not a D wind. Anyone think or know and different let him know.

madmikepags
02-24-2017, 05:19 PM
Upon looking at the Leopards the 4082X2 motor with the 1600kv looks interesting, as we are going pretty fast with the limited 1500kv motor I would try this motor with a 450/2 or a 452/2 prop. This actually seems pretty enticing as I've been Thinking about a change for my P-Offshore setup. I have a Neu 1521/1Y that is 1577Kv I think I'm going to try that!!!!

RandyatBBY
02-24-2017, 05:21 PM
Is the old Pro Boat Water Cooled RC Brushless Marine Motor PRB 3310 A3630 - 1500 KV the same as the new Dynamite DYNM3835 A3630-1500Kv 6-pole Water-Cooled Marine / Boat Brushless Motor ?

RandyatBBY
02-24-2017, 05:29 PM
Upon looking at the Leopards the 4082X2 motor with the 1600kv looks interesting, as we are going pretty fast with the limited 1500kv motor I would try this motor with a 450/2 or a 452/2 prop. This actually seems pretty enticing as I've been Thinking about a change for my P-Offshore setup. I have a Neu 1521/1Y that is 1577Kv I think I'm going to try that!!!!

Well this is good for me I have the Neu 1521/1Y 1577Kv, and Steve Slusher has the Neu 1521 1.5D

ray schrauwen
02-24-2017, 07:26 PM
Randy, if it were myself and I was lookin for a TP setup, the TP I would look at is the 3650/3Y (2060kv) that looks comperable to the Neu 1521, you could also use it in straight up P-mono too. I would try it and prop it with a M445 (a little less blade than the X445). It will prob be a little more efficient than the Neu 1521 B/C its a Y wind and not a D wind. Anyone think or know and different let him know.

Typically 36mm motors are more efficient than 40mm motors. Many use the same diameter rotor for the 36mm as what goes into a 40mm. Yes Y winds like 1Y's are easier on esc's.

ray schrauwen
02-24-2017, 07:29 PM
Is the old Pro Boat Water Cooled RC Brushless Marine Motor PRB 3310 A3630 - 1500 KV the same as the new Dynamite DYNM3835 A3630-1500Kv 6-pole Water-Cooled Marine / Boat Brushless Motor ?

Dunno but I'm sticking with the DYNM3835 http://www.ebay.com/itm/191717747608?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

$54US and Ray Presnell seems to make them sing.

T.S.Davis
02-24-2017, 08:10 PM
P offshore
TP 4060 1950kv on 4s10k with an x450. Easy breezy lemon squeezy.

ray schrauwen
02-24-2017, 09:53 PM
P offshore
TP 4060 1950kv on 4s10k with an x450. Easy breezy lemon squeezy.

If you had a perfectly fine Neu 1521 1.5D and the motor you mentioned, which would you choose over the other? I have two 1521's bought used on swap shop a couple years ago and they run awesome. P mono and offshore, just change prop.

RandyatBBY
02-24-2017, 10:16 PM
If you had a perfectly fine Neu 1521 1.5D and the motor you mentioned, which would you choose over the other? I have two 1521's bought used on swap shop a couple years ago and they run awesome. P mono and offshore, just change prop.

You would think the Neu would be better wound.

T.S.Davis
02-24-2017, 10:39 PM
Interchangeable in my opinion. We've do e both. They're so close that it will come down to driving.

madmikepags
02-25-2017, 03:48 PM
anyone here need a 1530/1Y?

MarkF
02-25-2017, 07:15 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I guess the TP 5650 motor looks good to me because it's 1/2 the price of the Neu and it's a 6 pole and a little over 100gr heavier so should have more power for more aggressive or bigger prop.
Can the Neu swing a 455 prop?

Mark

madmikepags
02-25-2017, 07:45 PM
I've swung a 457/3 pitched up on my sprintcat with no problems. Also ran a prather 250 on my Q-Sport whip with that motor. The should have no problem swinging that wheel.

RandyatBBY
02-28-2017, 07:27 PM
anyone here need a 1530/1Y?

What is the kv? 1300?

RandyatBBY
02-28-2017, 07:30 PM
Steve was real impressed with you guys, he learned a little too. He wants to come back next year. So Looks like we are going to be back again.

ray schrauwen
02-28-2017, 08:01 PM
1100kv

RandyatBBY
02-28-2017, 10:17 PM
1100kv

Thanks Ray

MarkF
03-01-2017, 03:32 AM
Ray P
Are you going to the race in Needles? I signed up my T mono. For those of you that saw my T mono at WW the flier 12s 320 amp esc that I tried burned up after 4 laps. The second one I have, they sent me 2, is working fine. I know some of you were interested in the new flier esc and the first one that burned up I think was a fluke. We'll see how the second one holds up though.

Mark

Ken Haines
03-03-2017, 08:29 AM
Would love to see the race results.
Any chance that they will be posted soon ?

D. Newland
03-03-2017, 05:25 PM
Yes-Working on it.

D. Newland
03-06-2017, 12:21 PM
A picture is worth 1000 words.

150061

D. Newland
03-06-2017, 12:29 PM
Sorry for the delay! Here are the results of our WW XIII. Unfortunately, we're still trying to track down the offshore lap totals. For future races, if anyone has a easy-to-use Excel race spread sheet, on a thumb drive ready for quick and easy uploading, please bring it to two or three race officials attention and we'll try not to blow you off again!

P-Ltd Mono

1. David Newland
2. Ken Haines
3. Tom Baffer


P-Ltd Hydro

1. Robert Holland
2. David Newland
3. Ken Haines


P Offshore

1. Mike Pags
2. Terry Davis
3. Tyler Davis


P-Ltd Cat

1. Jim Osborne
2. Mike Pags
3. Kevin Kosciolek


P Sport Hydro

1. Ray Presnall
2. Tyler Davis
3. Pete Wijatyk


1/10th Scale Modern

1. Tom Castellani
2. Chuck Murray
3. Brad Lewis


1/10th Scale Vintage

1. Brad Lewis
2. Matt Davis
3. Chuck Murray


P Cat

1. Mike Pags
2. Jim Osborne
3. Tom Baffer


P Mono

1. Nina Pags
2. Tyler Davis
3. Pete Wijatyk


P-Ltd Offshore

1. Ray Presnall
2. Ken Haines
3. Tyler Davis


P-Ltd OPC

1. Robert Holland
2. David Newland
3. Pete Wijatyk


LSH

1. Ken Haines
2. Ray Presnall
3. Pete Wijatyk


Q Mono

1. Jim Osborne
2. Robert Holland
3. Tom Baffer


Q Sport Hydro

1. Robert Holland
2. Jim Osborne
3. Pete Wijatyk

T.S.Davis
03-06-2017, 04:19 PM
For future races, if anyone has a easy-to-use Excel race spread sheet, on a thumb drive ready for quick and easy uploading, please bring it to two or three race officials attention and we'll try not to blow you off again!



Dude. Not only did we have it with us on a thumb drive, Tom had already built your entire race with all of the racers for easy data entry. After the last heat the scoring is done. Cooks high points too. Couldn't get anyone's attention. Next time.

Jim Osborne
03-10-2017, 09:33 AM
Sorry guys, I'll take the blame for that one. I thought someone already had it under control. We miss Pat he's the tech guy.

tjcast
03-11-2017, 12:26 PM
No comment! :Shame_on_You: