IMPBA D1 - Northern Lights MBC - 2016 "THE CAN-AM" Aug 6 & 7

[Terry Keeley]

Fifty Point Conservation Area, Stoney Creek, Ontario - Aug 6 & 7th.

Includes a beach on Lake Ontario, stocked fishing and restaurant all within 1/2 hr. of downtown Toronto and Niagara Falls.

http://www.conservationhamilton.ca/fifty-point-conservation-area

Park entrance fee is $10/day/vehicle + $5 ea. additional occupant.

Classes for Nitro, Gas and Electric.

Kids under 17 free: "run what you brung". Huge Novice Trophy.

Nitro 1/8th Scale may also run SP 60 if desired.

Open water Friday noon 'til 5pm. Driver's meeting Saturday 8:45am.

Trophies top 3 per class, huge raffle, 50-50 draws.

"Oneida Cup" awarded to high point any two boats.

Scale, SP 60, Thunderboat Concours d'Elegance.

Can-Am trophy awarded to high score Team Canada or Team USA.

Noise sensitive site - IMPBA 92dB enforced. Internal stinger + after muffler or full muffled pipe requested.

RV and tent camping, call 905-643-2103 and mention "Model Boat Race". No park fee if camping.

Flyer: https://nebula.wsimg.com/ea414a69200dc6379e5d92bac5f73b6e?AccessKeyId=ACA73 81D2BFC72351748&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

Register: http://www.rcracingevents.com/cgi-bin/browseraces.pl




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[T.S.Davis]

I was hoping to get some more Michigan guys interested in this one. It will be a tough sell with only one limited class.

[Terry Keeley]

Ooooops! I'm still a little FE Class "challenged" at times.

P Limited Sport Hydro, P Limited Catamaran, P Limited Mono all added, I see P Catamaran isn't that popular so I dropped it.

P Limited rules will run as per the NAMBA Rulebook, namely:

d. P-Limited Approved Motors
i) The motors shall be used as shipped from the manufacturer, with the
exception of creating a drive shaft flat spot, adding water cooling, and
allowing the motor to be connected to the ESC by any means.
ii) Currently approved motors
Brand Model Description
AquaCraft AQUG7000 L36/56 7.2-18V – 6 pole brushless
AQUG7001 36-56-2030 – 6 pole brushless
AQUG7002 36-56-1800 – 6 pole brushless
Himax HB3630 1500 brushless – 6 pole brushless
ProBoat PRB3310 A3630-1500 – 6 pole brushless
PRB4017 A3630-1800 – 6 pole brushless
DYNM3835 A3630-1500kv – 6 pole brushless,
water cooled, marine motor
DYNM3830 A3630-1800kv – 6 pole brushless,
water cooled, marine motor
iii) In addition, the CD has the discretion to allow the following:
(a) An aftermarket motor that is a re-labeled and exact copy of any
approved motor.
(b) Any generational change of an approved motor, or a motor that
is used in a Ready To Run (RTR) offering from a manufacturer
that produces over 100 units of said offering, as long as there is
no more than a 5% increase in any of the following
manufacturers specifications as compared to any single
approved motor: Kv, maximum constant amperage rating,
mass, and MSRP.
(c) The race flyer shall list additional allowed motors for the event


Sell away! :buttrock:

[Randy Rapedius]

Hotel and Camping info ....

Hotels for Fifty Point Race:

All hotels are within 5-15 minutes from the pond.


Super 8 – (Recommended) Grimsby - http://www.super8.com/hotels/ontario/gri..../hotel-overview
Comfort Inn – (Recommended) Hamilton (Centennial Parkway) http://www.choicehotels.ca/en/comfort-hotel-cn268?promo=gglocalca

Quality Hotel – (Recommended) Hamilton (Centennial Parkway) - http://www.choicehotels.ca/en/quality-hotel-hamilton-hotel-cna40
Lake Trail Motel (Inexpensive) 423 North Service Rd. Stoney Creek, ON. ‎(905) 662-1599
Casablanca Winery Inn (Expensive) – Grimsby - http://www.casablancawineryinn.com/

Ramada Beacon Harbourside (Expensive) – Jordan - http://www.ramadabeacon.com/

Fruitland Motel (Inexpensive) 687 8 Hwy, Stoney Creek, ON. ‎(905) 643-2931

Innsville Motel (Inexpensive) 1143 Highway 8, Stoney Creek, ON. ‎(905) 643-1244

Stoney Creek Motel (Inexpensive) - http://www.stoneycreekmotel.ca/

Camping:
FIFTY POINT CONSERVATION AREA
Address: 1479 Baseline Road, Winona, ON, L8E 5G4
Phone: 905-525-2187
Email: fiftypt@conservationhamilton.ca

[T.S.Davis]

Randy! I'm up to 4 confirmed and a couple more saying they'll go. You know how that goes though.

[Randy Rapedius]

Randy! I'm up to 4 confirmed and a couple more saying they'll go. You know how that goes though.

Excellent! Looking forward to seeing you guys.

[T.S.Davis]

6! Confirmed. 7 and 8 are on the fence.

[jaike5]

Very Nice.....going to be another great race. Just enough time to reboot after the Michigan cup.

[Terry Keeley]

We have some very generous sponsors donating to make our raffle a huge success. If you get a chance please keep these fine folks in mind: :)


Eagletree Systems http://www.eagletreesystems.com/

Hobby Hobby http://hobbyhobby.com/

Hamilton Conservation Authority http://www.conservationhamilton.ca/

Great Hobbies http://www.greathobbies.com/

Jersey Modeler http://www.jerseymodeler.com/index.html

A/A Engines (Al Hobbs) hobbsmt@prodigy.net

Titan Titanium Turn Fins (Randy Rapedius) randy_rap@cogeco.ca

Zippkits http://www.zippkits.com/

Model Gas Boats/Warpath Rigger (Marc Levac) http://www.modelgasboats.com/

Aquacraft Models http://www.aquacraftmodels.com/

Virginia Craftsman (Dick Tyndall) rcracerva@yahoo.com

Lawless Drives (Fred Howe) http://www.lawlessdrives.com/

Crapshooter Boats/CMB Engines (Stu Barr) crpshtr@aol.com

Gizmo Motors http://www.gizmomotors.com/

Insane Boats http://www.insaneboats.com/

Tanks 2U (Walt Barney) wjbarney@tds.net

Speedmaster Model Products http://www.rossisales.com/index.html

Skycraft Hobbies http://www.skycrafthobbies.com/

Action Scaffold Services http://www.actionscaffoldservices.com/products_new/product.php

Phil Thomas Hydros https://www.facebook.com/Phil-Thomas-Hydros-137199316319366/

Suicidal Engines (Mike Ross) ballisticratt454@yahoo.com

Nova Rossi Marine USA (Ron Shaw) http://www.novarossi.us/

Hobby Soulanges (Sebastien Caron) http://hobbysoulanges.com/index-en.html

Dasboata Props (Chris Hoffman) http://www.dasboata.com/

Boca Bearings http://www.bocabearings.com/

GasRCProducts (Vince Amore) http://gasrcproducts.moonfruit.com/#

Mojo Racing Products http://giantpowerlipos.myshopify.com/

[T.S.Davis]

Question for our contest director.

There are a number of us that are considering bringing our FE scales out for some fun but at least two of them don't quite fit the FE scale unlimited rules for IMPBA. We just got done dancing with them at the Cup. If we contact each other and are at piece with the short comings can we still run them? Sure was fun despite them not really being exact.

[Terry Keeley]

Question for our contest director.

There are a number of us that are considering bringing our FE scales out for some fun but at least two of them don't quite fit the FE scale unlimited rules for IMPBA. We just got done dancing with them at the Cup. If we contact each other and are at piece with the short comings can we still run them? Sure was fun despite them not really being exact.

Not sure exactly what the ruling would be on that, at first glance I would say if everyone that ran the class agreed to allow (not protest) the questionable boats I'd say why not. I do however know that under an IMPBA sanction any changes to the rules must be advertised on the flyer, and since the flyer has been published for months we can't really do that.

What exactly are the "shortcomings"?

[T.S.Davis]

I gotcha. We'll discuss it amongst ourselves.

[Terry Keeley]

Just had a chat with jaike5 and between the two of us we came up with a solution.

"T Sport hydro" is now added, you can enter them all in there w/o having to conform to the IMPBA "Scale FE Unlimited Hydro" rules. :tongue:

[madmikepags]

Hey Terry I registered yesterday for the race and realized today that the 6th is my daughter Nina's birthday and I wont be able to attend. Sorry please delete my entries from the rcracingevents website. I'm really bummed I'm gonna miss this one again.

[T.S.Davis]

"T Sport hydro" is now added, you can enter them all in there w/o having to conform to the IMPBA "Scale FE Unlimited Hydro" rules. :tongue:

That works for us and takes you guys off the hook.

[Terry Keeley]

Hey Terry I registered yesterday for the race and realized today that the 6th is my daughter Nina's birthday and I wont be able to attend. Sorry please delete my entries from the rcracingevents website. I'm really bummed I'm gonna miss this one again.

Bummer. Hope you can make it one of these years, I guarantee you won't be disappointed!


That works for us and takes you guys off the hook.

"There are no problems, only solutions"...:smile:

[Randy Rapedius]

FE classes filling up nicely. P Sport Hydro is leading with 11 entries so far.

[jaike5]

I think you should jump in that class and broaden your horizons !!! :rockon2: race on

[T.S.Davis]

If mine pans out I'll be adding to the P sportage too. Should know for sure in a week or so.

Booked a room at the Quality Inn there in Hamilton if anyone wanted to know where the cool guys were staying.

[T.S.Davis]

I just noticed. FE is at 38% of the entries so far.

I'm working over two more of our guys to come along. (gonna try guilt next)

Where the heck are Mister Einstein and Mister Adams? No dedication I tell ya. (see that was shaming)

Then if we can get the Vacarro family on board we might make 50%. Come on Steve! You know you enjoyed playing toy boats. (appeal to the inner child)

Just try'n to help Randy.

[jaike5]

He plays with himself on a puddle near his house, won't come and play boats cause he's got his shorts in a not over something or other. If they didn't like me I'd come just to be a pain in the ass, like I do at the Michigan cup !!:banana:

[Randy Rapedius]

I think you should jump in that class and broaden your horizons !!! :rockon2: race on

You never know ... ;)

[Randy Rapedius]

123 boats registered so far. Nice mix of FE, Gas and Nitro. It's going to be a good one!

[Terry Keeley]

If you plan on camping at the park please reserve with Kelsie at 905-643-2103 and mention "Model Boat Race".

Rates are $44 + 13%HST = $49.72/night, you have access to all the park's facilities and do not pay the daily admission fee. Great family value! :biggrin:

http://conservationhamilton.ca/conservation-areas-2/fifty-point-conservation-area/

[Terry Keeley]

We're receiving great support from our traditional sponsors plus some new ones that are all helping to make our raffle a huge success, we expect to have over $3,000 worth of prizes to give away. Please see post 9 above and help us support these fine folks.

Just over two weeks away now with almost 150 boats entered, if you're on the fence come on in, we guarantee you'll have a great time! :tongue:

[Terry Keeley]

Shaping up to be one of the biggest events in the NE with 164 boats entered as of this morning, again if you're on the fence come on in, we guarantee a great time!

We are going to cut off entries next Wed. Aug 3rd, so please enter before then if you are coming, also if you have any changes to your existing entry please shoot me an email at: tkee@rogers.com.

See ya'll soon! :banana:

[T.S.Davis]

Wed is August 3rd buddy. We knew whatcha meant. Git off the fence and git er done.

[jaike5]

LOL, I think TK is in a funk with the request for 1/10th scale, couldn't wrap his head around so many FE boats, and then a class turning left:flashfire: pressure is on , with team USA making a clear run for the CanAm cup....... good luck men. Going to be a great race with Nitro/FE/Gas fuel classes represented.

Race On .:rockon2:

[Terry Keeley]

lol! Yup, Wed the 3rd. The race is still Sat. & Sun! :laugh:

[Randy Rapedius]

Did we mention that Team Canada has won 2 years straight? http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160728/f5b2de5ba7f82daa3f48d523c3ed6643.jpg

[Randy Rapedius]

Did we mention that Team Canada has won 2 years straight? http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160728/f5b2de5ba7f82daa3f48d523c3ed6643.jpg

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[Todd Fleury]

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Not this year.

[Terry Keeley]

Phil Thomkins got a new "Barney the Beaver" for 2016, funny he had to go to the US to get him! :laugh:

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[TRUCKPULL]

Only TWO days left to sign up for this race, sign up will be closed Wed. midnight.

Larry

[Randy Rapedius]

Only TWO days left to sign up for this race, sign up will be closed Wed. midnight.

Larry

I was at the pond on Sunday with Larry. He has his boats dialed in. Watch out guys!

[TRUCKPULL]

I was at the pond on Sunday with Larry. He has his boats dialed in. Watch out guys!

Randy
The only problem now is that I have to drive in a crowd.

Larry

[T.S.Davis]

The fastest boat I own will be driven by my 16yo son. You're screwed Larry.

[TRUCKPULL]

The fastest boat I own will be driven by my 16yo son. You're screwed Larry.

Terry
In a year or two (maybe less)he will be as good as D.T. Jr.
Us old fa*ts can never catch up.
The younger generation grew up with joy sticks in their hands.

Larry

[T.S.Davis]

Oh I can't tell him that. His giant head will get so big we'll have to prop it up with something. It might actually pop.

It's muscle memory and all. Junior was racing from around the time that he could walk I think. I'm not sure he even has to think about where he is on the course. Creepy to pit for him. Yer like.........ah....yeah.... do more of that there.

I got a text from Junior just this week. Talk'n race stuff. He's still a racing super freak. Hall of fame induction didn't effect his demeanor at all as far as I can tell.

[TRUCKPULL]

I know that he cleaned up at the big NITRO Nats race two weeks ago in Rochester NY.

Larry

[T.S.Davis]

He's still the best driver I've ever seen. He's on a very short list of guys that I prefer to watch race over actually racing them. There are some racers that make the short hairs on your neck stand up. You know you're watching something special. That 61 second heat he pulled off was madness.

I still remember a P mono heat at the 05 nats that included Twaits, Crowe, Nayman, Ray Fuller and Ed Hughey. THE Ed Hughey. Alan had to set a record to beat those guys. Still makes me smile. Sheeeeeesh.....git a room Terry. Sorry guys, the little things amuse me.

[Terry Keeley]

I'm extremely proud of our Northern Lights MBC members and their families for working their tails off to host another great event for our guests. We ran about 120 heats in fifteen hours of racing which is 8 hts/hr, only a well oiled, cohesive group could do that.

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For the third year in a row Team Canada prevailed winning the "Can-Am Cup" with total 9900 points over Team USA's 9288.


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Team USA came "locked and loaded" though, ready to do damage:


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Our beloved mascot "Barney the Beaver" went missing once again, but this time there was no ransom (in US dollars):


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Instead he was found stripped naked and being dragged behind a truck!


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[Terry Keeley]

Like a good Canadian he apologized for being so careless and was eventually returned, his clothes were later recovered after more apologizing:


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Once again our own Randy Rapedius took the Oneida Cup with perfect scores in Cracker Box and LSG Sport Hydro. Todd Fleury also posted perfect scores in P & T Sport Hydro but the number of boats ran broke the tie in Randy's favour.


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Again thank you to everyone who came to make our "Can-Am" another huge success and we hope to see you again next year!

Look for a complete write up in the IMPBA September "Roostertail", results are also posted to http://www.rcracingevents.com/cgi-bin/raceresults.pl?action=list_events&club=Northern%20Lights%20Model%20Boat%20Club

[Todd Fleury]

Do you guys have the awards presentation photos?

[jaike5]

Yes, there is one of Canada winning the CanAm Cup, does the rest really matter!!:tt2::rockon2:
Race on!

[T.S.Davis]

We were gyp'd. 3 of our team members left without a word. That was 1200 potential points. ugh

[Terry Keeley]

Do you guys have the awards presentation photos?

They'll be published in the upcoming IMPBA Roostertail. If you want something for your own consumption shoot me an email at tkee@rogers.com and lemme know what you want. Also, our "real" photographer got some great action shots, just waiting for them in the mail.


We were gyp'd. 3 of our team members left without a word. That was 1200 potential points. ugh

Yup, that could have made the difference. As they say "there's always next year". :olleyes:

[T.S.Davis]

We talked about that some Terry. You guys asked about suggestions. We had a few. Nothing monumental and nothing to bother you with here. We'll talk about them later on.

Get some rest sir. You guys all earned it.

[Terry Keeley]

We talked about that some Terry. You guys asked about suggestions. We had a few. Nothing monumental and nothing to bother you with here. We'll talk about them later on.

Get some rest sir. You guys all earned it.

No worries, I'm just about caught up. Here is just as good a place!

So we can avoid the paperwork nightmare we had this year, next year we are going to insist on either pre-pay via PayPal or pay in person (or get a buddy to pay for you) by 5pm on Friday. That way I can shuffle the entries in the laptop and print a good set of heats Fri. nite. Contestants will get their heat sheets Sat. am.

Also, depending on the numbers, we may run three heats then the top six only in each class for a 4th round, we'll see.

We're also thinking about a shootout format where the best boats go together in the next round, but I'll havta look at that closer.

So many ways to improve...

Your turn! :thumbup1:

[T.S.Davis]

We've done the shootout thing. You have to shuffle the heats manually after the third round. Racers will want to be able to run that 4th round even if they're out of the podium. All about the joy of playing toy boats.

On the CanAm teams it might be worth while to tell the group to withdraw their name from the team and have you draw another name if they know they aren't staying both days. Sometimes you don't know your not staying. Call that an emergency and you could still draw a new name. We didn't even know some of the team was gone.

The Onieda cup scoring was fine by us but the number of boats tie breaker wasn't expressed to us. Not the end of the world but Todd was tied and I was 100 points off. We were proceeding as if we might tie and all three names would make the trophy. The boat count makes sense bu that's not what were told. You could even consider just awarding say 19 points to a racer for winning a 19 boat class and 17 points for winning a 17 boat class. Do that for 2 classes each racer. That way you won't have someone win that chose easy classes. I cleaned up in P mono but that wasnt nearly as tough as Randy or Todd's wins IMO. Winning the Onieda cup should be a monumental task.

Trophies. I class makes the cut at 4 boats. Racers commit 100's of dollars to travel. At least spring for first, second, and third trophies. We buy trophies too and have an idea what they cost. You gave trophies for B mono and B hydro which ran only 3 boats every round but for T sport, P mono, and Q sport only a first place trophy. Poor Tom had a horrible weekend. He finally cobbled some boats together and finished some heats. Clawed his way back to second and received no trophy because there were only 3 boats at the end. Sorta feeds into our second class citizen complex when nitro gets trophies and electric doesn't.

[Terry Keeley]

We've done the shootout thing. You have to shuffle the heats manually after the third round. Racers will want to be able to run that 4th round even if they're out of the podium. All about the joy of playing toy boats.

On the CanAm teams it might be worth while to tell the group to withdraw their name from the team and have you draw another name if they know they aren't staying both days. Sometimes you don't know your not staying. Call that an emergency and you could still draw a new name. We didn't even know some of the team was gone.

The Onieda cup scoring was fine by us but the number of boats tie breaker wasn't expressed to us. Not the end of the world but Todd was tied and I was 100 points off. We were proceeding as if we might tie and all three names would make the trophy. The boat count makes sense bu that's not what were told. You could even consider just awarding say 19 points to a racer for winning a 19 boat class and 17 points for winning a 17 boat class. Do that for 2 classes each racer. That way you won't have someone win that chose easy classes. I cleaned up in P mono but that wasnt nearly as tough as Randy or Todd's wins IMO. Winning the Onieda cup should be a monumental task.

Trophies. I class makes the cut at 4 boats. Racers commit 100's of dollars to travel. At least spring for first, second, and third trophies. We buy trophies too and have an idea what they cost. You gave trophies for B mono and B hydro which ran only 3 boats every round but for T sport, P mono, and Q sport only a first place trophy. Poor Tom had a horrible weekend. He finally cobbled some boats together and finished some heats. Clawed his way back to second and received no trophy because there were only 3 boats at the end. Sorta feeds into our second class citizen complex when nitro gets trophies and electric doesn't.

Thanks for replying, when we say we want to hear any and all suggestions to host a better, safer event for our guests we really mean it.

The issue I see with re-drawing names is that one side or the other (us proper Canucks would never do that of course :olleyes:) could just have the weaker guys say they're not staying so draw again until you end up with a "dream team" of racers. :laugh: Drawing another name on Sunday when you're trying to finish the race, plus the scoring complications makes that a difficult option also if someone leaves early.

We should have made it clearer in the case of a tie for the Oneida Cup what would happen, we discussed it back in '10 when we brought it out of "retirement" but never figured it would happen, especially with perfect scores. We followed the lead from the IMPBA's "President's Cup" which is high point for two boats at the Nats but with a complicated weighting system. Don't know what we'll do if two guys tie with classes that have the same number of boats, but we should talk about it as it could conceivably happen. Not sure who told you what but I even had to be reminded of how a tie is broken.

The trophies got messed up because of late scratched entries. I printed the heat sheets up Thurs. night so I could give guys their heats on Fri., big mistake. We had seven no shows for 22 boats, that meant a lot of pen and ink corrections that of course weren't in the scoring s/w. When I awarded the trophies I simply looked at the sheet and if I saw four names I only gave out a first place trophy. You're right, B mono and B hydro originally had 5 entries but one scratch in each meant only four ran. Trust me when I say it wasn't a nitro vs FE thing at all. Matter of fact it's us nitro guys that are getting the complex lately, we only had 27 entries(16%), FE had 53 (32%), LSG 74 (44%) and Open was 12 (7%). In any case I really don't think giving three trophies for a four boat class is worth it, not just for sound event finances but having only one guy NOT get a trophy kinda smacks of the "participation awards" I hear kids get these days, yuk! :blink: I think next year we may have a five boat limit to make a class anyway so only two not getting an award isn't so bad I guess.

[Todd Fleury]

Terry,
When I asked you about what happens in a tie for the Oneida Cup, you told me both names would go on the trophy. I'm not upset, but I did drive my butt off to win all of my heats and drive clean.
Todd

[T.S.Davis]

Terry, all constructive. Promise. Not whining.

You could ask guys when they check in. "Staying both days?". Then they would be less likely to try to selectively decline. Still doesn't eliminate the possibility though.

Another idea might be to let each country chose a team. Each would have the freedom to make a superteam. Sort of a best of the best thinking. Say 5 racers covering 2 or 3 separate classes. Talk about a challenge! I totally understand if you guys want to not mess with it. Works fine as is. Just sucked that we got hosed when some disappeared.

Another odd thing was the scoring on the teams. We were told its your best class totals. That's not what was done. Scoring was your best heat from each round regardless of which class it was. I'm not sure if that makes any difference but was confusing. I know it helped our team in one instance.

On the trophy thing.........if it was my call (LOL) .......I wouldn't get hung up on the budget concern. If the dollars are an issue, make the minimum boat count the 4 boats but make it clear that it's a prepaid minimum. Then your trophies are paid for even if they bail. The flier said 4 boat minimum. You had that for B hydro for instance but no more than 3 hut the water for any heat. Flier says trophies for 1,2,3. It doesn't say "unless someone scratches".

Competing at a travel race requires the commitment of resources and a certain level of dedication. It isn't quite the same as kids getting a participation trophy for their parents putting them out on the field. Those racers made a commitment to attend my race. I go out of my way to worship them. Worship is too strong a word but you know what I mean. I feel we owe them a trip home with a big grin and maybe a plaque to remember their journey. Plus, when their wive's ask hahaha...........

It's hard hosting these things. By the time the race actually starts you already feel like you were shot out of a canon. It's impossible to remember every little nuance and then communicate it. Keep up the good work Terry.

[Terry Keeley]

Terry,
When I asked you about what happens in a tie for the Oneida Cup, you told me both names would go on the trophy. I'm not upset, but I did drive my butt off to win all of my heats and drive clean.
Todd

Yup, I remember that now, I was wrong. Sorry. :doh:

Posting perfect scores with two boats is an amazing accomplishment, cutting one buoy would have changed the outcome for either of you!

[Terry Keeley]

Terry, all constructive. Promise. Not whining.

You could ask guys when they check in. "Staying both days?". Then they would be less likely to try to selectively decline. Still doesn't eliminate the possibility though.

Another idea might be to let each country chose a team. Each would have the freedom to make a superteam. Sort of a best of the best thinking. Say 5 racers covering 2 or 3 separate classes. Talk about a challenge! I totally understand if you guys want to not mess with it. Works fine as is. Just sucked that we got hosed when some disappeared.

Another odd thing was the scoring on the teams. We were told its your best class totals. That's not what was done. Scoring was your best heat from each round regardless of which class it was. I'm not sure if that makes any difference but was confusing. I know it helped our team in one instance.

On the trophy thing.........if it was my call (LOL) .......I wouldn't get hung up on the budget concern. If the dollars are an issue, make the minimum boat count the 4 boats but make it clear that it's a prepaid minimum. Then your trophies are paid for even if they bail. The flier said 4 boat minimum. You had that for B hydro for instance but no more than 3 hut the water for any heat. Flier says trophies for 1,2,3. It doesn't say "unless someone scratches".

Competing at a travel race requires the commitment of resources and a certain level of dedication. It isn't quite the same as kids getting a participation trophy for their parents putting them out on the field. Those racers made a commitment to attend my race. I go out of my way to worship them. Worship is too strong a word but you know what I mean. I feel we owe them a trip home with a big grin and maybe a plaque to remember their journey. Plus, when their wive's ask hahaha...........

It's hard hosting these things. By the time the race actually starts you already feel like you were shot out of a canon. It's impossible to remember every little nuance and then communicate it. Keep up the good work Terry.

All good ideas, and again we encourage this kind of discussion. Anything to make our event safer and more enjoyable for our guests is welcome!

I just can't see how doing anything but a random drawing for Can-Am team members will keep it "random". Asking if guys are going to stay or picking team members etc. takes the "randomness" out of it, which is half the fun. We did calculate the scores incorrectly and used the high score for each round as you pointed out, I re-calculated the scores taking the "final" high score for each team member and the tally was Canada 9900 vs USA 9288. We'll be sure to do this correctly as stated on our flyer next year. With Team Canada winning all three years we've held the competition I'm starting to wonder if you're messing with our "Barney the Beaver" may be generating some bad karma! Maybe you guys need a mascot for us to mess with so you have a better chance of winning! :laugh: :canada::usa:

We've discussed the trophy situation amongst our club members and the concensus is to stick with what we're doing. It's not just a financial decision but also for the reasons already discussed. Next year though we'll have a better handle on the scratches so there won't be the mixup that happened this year. We'll correct the flyer.

On another note I learned some more FE stuff today talking to Larry Jaques. I didn't realize you guys ran the same boat in Offshore and P Limited Mono. He was saying with only one heat in between the two you didn't have enough time to cool your equipment. Duly noted I told him, you won't have that issue next year! :smile:

[T.S.Davis]

Some did that with the offshore and mono. Mike Ball was running his cat in both. Its always an issue and tough for those trying to do both with a single boat. Do what you can but at some point it has to be our problem not yours. Tyler and I use different boats for each.

[longballlumber]

Some did that with the offshore and mono. Mike Ball was running his cat in both. Its always an issue and tough for those trying to do both with a single boat. Do what you can but at some point it has to be our problem not yours. Tyler and I use different boats for each.

For what it's worth, I doubt that I will ever do that again at a race like this. I agree with TD; at some point it has to be our problem not yours. Its a compromise for all involved.

[T.S.Davis]

We run into this trying to schedule P mono, P limited mono, and P offshore, P limited offshore. One boat could fit all those with a motor, battery, prop swap. Eventual we have to just force guys to choose between them or get more boats. I like boats so I'll git more.

[Terry Keeley]

Here's a link to a bunch of great photos Paul Charles took at our 2016 Can-Am, if you want a copy of anything please send me a msg. Enjoy!

http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/tkee1/library/Can-Am%202016%20by%20Paul%20Charles?sort=3&page=1