Spread the "Wealth"

[Darin Jordan]

I can't believe it's not "Better"... :tt2:

[Spot Me 2]

Thats classic!! It's also very frightening!! If I want socialism, I will move to a different country. Or if he wins, I might have to move to a democracy somewhere else.

[Spot Me 2]

At least under his plan, all of our boats will be the same!!! Mine will be much faster and Darins will be a lot slower!!!! "share the wealth"

[Darin Jordan]

At least under his plan, all of our boats will be the same!!! Mine will be much faster and Darins will be a lot slower!!!!

Does that mean I'll have to wrench REALLY hard on mine while you sit back and drink beer, then come over and wrench on yours too??? :roflol: YUP... sounds like a GREAT plan... :ThumbsDown01:

[Spot Me 2]

Does that mean I'll have to wrench REALLY hard on mine while you sit back and drink beer, then come over and wrench on yours too??? :roflol: YUP... sounds like a GREAT plan... :ThumbsDown01:

YES!!!!! You have much more experiance with FE's than I do. You have invested much more time and effort, than I, to be as fast as you are. Are you saying I don't deserve to be just as fast a you are????????
:sarcasm1:

[Darin Jordan]

YES!!!!! You have much more experiance with FE's than I do. You have invested much more time and effort, than I, to be as fast as you are. Are you saying I don't deserve to be just as fast a you are????????
:sarcasm1:

Does that mean I have to drive yours too??? :blink: :biggrin:


God I hate what's about to happen to this country... :sad::unsure:

[ghostofpf1]

mmmmm...kool-aid..
Ghost:rofl:

[Spot Me 2]

Does that mean I have to drive yours too??? :blink: :biggrin:




No. If you can drive better, we will just make you use your feet.:tiphat:

[Darin Jordan]

mmmmm...kool-aid..
Ghost:rofl:


I'm not sure if that's directed at me, but if it is... Hardly... "Spread the Wealth"... That's a direct quote from the man himself... we all heard it ourselves...

Those out there drinking their Mountainberry Punch or their Soarin' Strawberry-Lemonade (http://www.rickwalton.com/freeu/brains/koolaid.htm) are the ones listening blindly to the media machine and just going along for the ride here...

Just watch the pendulum swing, folks... You who don't like how far right the US is are about to swing it to the most extreme left...

You know what happens when you overcorrect to the left when your boat is heading to far to the right, don't you???... :glare:

[AndyKunz]

I'm not sure if that's directed at me, but if it is... Hardly... "Spread the Wealth"... That's a direct quote from the man himself... we all heard it ourselves...

Does that mean he's opening his $7M house to the homeless? Or does it mean WE'RE opening our $150K house to crack addicts?

Or just opening our pockets?

Andy

[Steven Vaccaro]

Funny. Where can I buy that? JK

[ghostofpf1]

How do you all feel about the big 700 billion$$ socialist program that the good Senator McCain voted for.....:doh:
What about the tanked economy under the bush admin......you really want at least 4 more of the same ?? Really...???

All the clever little inuendos by the far right just show how desperate they are....

Why not admit the last 8 years sucked donkey nuts and realize that a vote for the right (You really think Palin is suited for executive leadership....:rofl:) will only lead to at least 4 more of the same failed policies :doh:

Ghost :confused2:

[Bill-SOCAL]

Does that mean he's opening his $7M house to the homeless?

Obama bought his house in 2005 for $1.65 million. Not $7 million.

As far as the latest flight of fancy in calling him or his programs "socialist" it would be nice if people understood that what socialism actually is.


Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society

Not sure that any of his programs advocate state ownership of the means of production. Of course the recent bailout does pretty much that, and it was also supported by the GOP, so I guess they are "socialists" too.

And as far as the spread the wealth remark, maybe a little research is on order, another US Senator holds the same ideas, or did until he sold his soul in his quest for power:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2JPbQOHEkY

BTW, even if you are "Joe the plumber" you tax burden would go up about $700 per year. So if your adjusted gross income is say $250,000 per year, or a little over $20,000 per month you will pay about $58 per month more in income tax.

Again, to me the true genius of the GOP has been their ability to get the people least helped by their programs and policies to be the most ardent supporters.

Oh well, just a few more days to go.

[Darin Jordan]

Well... its still a free country for the time being, so we are all entitled to our opinions... at least until the Dems pass the "Fairness Doctrine" and it's follow-ups and really take control of the media...

Of course... that's going to make it awefully difficult for those that asked for this to bitch about what they got... but those are the breaks... Looking forward to it! :thumbup: :just-kidding:

See you at the voting boothe...

[Bill-SOCAL]

You missed the point. Say what you want to, but at least try to be factual. Obama is being toasted for his "spread the wealth" comment, and yet McCain said the EXACT SAME THING in 2000. But that does not matter.

And don't say it was too long ago. One of the things the GOP is pushing with McCain is his "experience". Oh well.

Hopefully the guy who gets the most votes will actually win this time around.

[Darin Jordan]

...yet McCain said the EXACT SAME THING in 2000. But that does not matter.


Bill... That's not accurate at all... I listened to and watched that video and he did NOT say the "EXACT SAME THING"... He said, and I quote (well, as best as I could type it down as he was saying it):


You are questioning the fundamentals of a Progressive tax system...

it's to some degree because we feel like wealthy people can afford more...

I believe that when you reach a certain level of comfort, there nothing wrong with paying somewhat more. But at the same time, it shouldn't be totally out of proportion.


NOT even the same message... CERTAINLY not the same words... and I think it DOES matter... The WORDS and IDEAS and context of statements matters... There is a HUGE difference between a "progressive tax system" and one that wants to tax those more wealthy americans in order to send "tax credits" back to approximately 40% of working, or maybe NOT working, Americans... That's "redistribution of wealth", and it's real, and it's what O wants to do. He's SAID those words, he's promoted the idea, and his track record supports that that is what he will do...

Sorry... Not my cup of Kool-Aide...

[RayR]

We have had enough wars over boat rules. Let's not get devisive over politics.

Ray

[Bill-SOCAL]

Got it. So Obama proposing a 3% increase on the portion of income in excess of $200,000 to "spread the wealth" and McCain's comments are totally different. So a 3% increase is "totally out of proportion"?? Amazing.

And I am sorry Darin, the very essence of a progressive tax system is that the more you make the more you pay.


A progressive tax is a tax imposed so that the tax rate increases as the amount subject to taxation increases. In simple terms, it imposes a greater burden (relative to resources) on the rich than on the poor.

And really, are you in that 5% that will pay more or in the 95% that will get money back?? Just curious.

[Darin Jordan]

And really, are you in that 5% that will pay more or in the 95% that will get money back?? Just curious.

First off... 95% will NOT be getting money back... And NOT just the top 5% will pay more... I'm in the middle... I'll pay more, and won't get anything back... I work... I pay my taxes... the checks will be coming back to those who may or may not work... and DON'T pay taxes now... or won't under O's plan...

And let's not forget the "tax cuts" that Clinton promised, only to take it all back and RAISED taxes once he was in office... once he saw the real numbers... so much for campaign promises. We have a heads up this time.... even the economics experts say there is NO WAY he can pay for his promises without substantially raising taxes...

Second... I pay LESS in federal income tax today than I did 8-years ago... That's just a fact... I suspect anyone with Kids, or a mortgage, etc., is as well...

Third... The companies people work for... The hobby shops we buy from... The sponsor of this VERY site, are all in the percentage that WILL be taxed more under O's plan... he's said it himself... "above $250,000"... So next time you order an REK coupler, or Neu Motor, or set of turn fins, or a new AQ Sport Boat... think about that additional cost that will be passed down to you under O's tax plan for small businesses... and I think we all know that $250,000 IS considered a "small business"...

We obviously differ substantially in our opinions on this matter, but I reject the implication that some, including most of the liberal run media, keep suggesting... that just because we don't agree with O's policies, we are not educated on the matter...

I am also happy to just agree to disagree and we'll see where this country ends up...

[Steven Vaccaro]

Ok there is a difference in Obama's "spreading the wealth" tax plan. His idea of "spreading the wealth" means that he now wants to now be Robin Hood! Take from the rich and literally give the poor a check. Not just tax the rich at a higher rate because the money is needed for infrastructure or something else of that nature.

[Spot Me 2]

I don't think that McCain is the answer either. I think he is the lesser of the 2 evils, but Both are a bunch of lieing crooks!!!! I guess it really boils down to where you stand on issues of the family and religion. Right to life, gay rights, partial birth abortion, and infanticide. Lets face it. The system is broken. Everyone in Washington is rotten to the core. They steal your money and now they shake it in your face. They are crooks who belong in prison. Soon people will have enough, and we all remember what happened the last time the country was devided in 2. Or maybe no one paid attention in history class???

[Steven Vaccaro]

What makes this country great is that we can still have this debate on an open forum without worry that someone may come knocking on our door!


:beerchug:

[Spot Me 2]

What makes this country great is that we can still have this debate on an open forum without worry that someone may come knocking on our door!


:beerchug:

For now. That day is coming.

[ghostofpf1]

Funny people baying about tax increases....how did you think we'd pay for the wars we're currently involved in ??..The 700 billion gift to people who should be in bankruptcy court instead of taking yet more of our money??? The wild spending of the last 8 years ??



Spot me 2: CIVIL WAR 2K9 !!!!!!!!!:banana:

Ghost

[RMZDADDY]

I look at it this way, I only make about 32k a year gross. I'm raising four kids, live in a modest home, and drive a 15 year old car. (and have a couple of nice FE boats).
To me at least, as a family, we are comfortable and happy.
Last tax season my federal tax was exactly 0 dollars! I don't want to take any money from individuals or companies that have EARNED it.
If I want health care I will just have to pay for it myself. My kids do BTW have health care through a state program that costs me less than $20 a month.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm just fine as is, and I'm willing to put in the time and hard work to care for my family now and in the future.
I've always believed that I should work for what I have and be proud to do so.
I don't WANT any money from the people who happen to have fought their way up the ladder further than me.
I think you all know who I'll be supporting in Nov. :bounce:

[Spot Me 2]

I think you all know who I'll be supporting in Nov. :bounce:

John Kerry????
:just-kidding:
I agree whole heartedly on the principle that you work hard for what you want. I'm not looking for handouts. On the flipside, I have no proplem taking money I worked for to give someone a helping hand, not a hand out!

[RMZDADDY]

LMAO, sad to say, but it probably will be just the lesser of the two evils at this point.

[RMZDADDY]

On the flipside, I have no proplem taking money I worked for to give someone a helping hand, not a hand out!

You make a good point, and it's obvious you do give a damn about the less fortunate, but in my opinion it should be matter of choice, not a mandate from the government.

[Darin Jordan]

...The 700 billion gift to people who should be in bankruptcy court instead of taking yet more of our money??? The wild spending of the last 8 years ??

Obviously.... but it's interesting how those on your side of the aisle like to just skate over the fact that this bill was the DEMOCRATIC version originally... with 20-million earmarked for Acorn, etc... The original Republican bill was quite a different deal, using loans, etc., to help the companies out, but keep them responsible for doing the work and getting back in balance.

In the end, they all pretty much signed it, so I'd consider that one a wash... you can hardly blame it on Bush...

Which leads to the second point that so many want to ignore... the reason the mortage crisis started in the first place... Hud... then Carter's reinvest in the community acts... then Clinton's opening the doors for "affordable housing for all"... Right up to Barney Frank and the rest of those Dems leading the Senate and the House who fought off EVERY attempt to regulate and reel-in Freddie and Fannie... ALL of that is ON record... you can watch it on YouTube... you can read the history of it on the net... Yet THESE are the people you want to put right back into power...

"I've Messed things all up... You MUST re-elect me so I can fix it..."...


Are there Republicans that can be pointed to? SURE... but the policies are straight out of the Democratic handbook... They played "affirmative action" with our mortgage system, were warned that it was dangerous and put the American tax payer at risk, and here we are today...

It's made worse by the fact that there is a War going on and we are spending a ton of money there, but that doesn't make the overall a fault of the Republican philosophies... The basics of Capitalism work. Too many cooks in the kitchen are what are messing it up and causing this crisis... we need LESS of that, which means LESS government interference, not bigger government and more spending...

[NorthernBoater]

How do you all feel about the big 700 billion$$ socialist program that the good Senator McCain voted for.....:doh:
What about the tanked economy under the bush admin......you really want at least 4 more of the same ?? Really...???

All the clever little inuendos by the far right just show how desperate they are....

Why not admit the last 8 years sucked donkey nuts and realize that a vote for the right (You really think Palin is suited for executive leadership....:rofl:) will only lead to at least 4 more of the same failed policies :doh:

Ghost :confused2:
The president has very little say over federal policies. Ultimately it is congress that makes the budget and congress is currently controlled by the democrats. When Clinton was in office he did exactly what he should have, nothing. The economy was going very good due to the technology. Enron was going was going on while Clinton was in office. A lot of money was being pumped into the economy by the banks giving out mortgages. It is my opinion that this is why home prices got so out of control over the last 10 years. since there was an abundance of buyers with a lot money from the banks the sellers could ask for more money. It is basic supply and demand. Clinton was just a great speaker and nothing else.

[Darin Jordan]

You really think Palin is suited for executive leadership...

Actually... yes I do... She has more executive experience that the other three candidates combined... Clinton didn't have experience beyond being a Governer... Either did Reagan... or Bush... or any number of other presidents...

It's rediculous to try to make that argument when the person you are arguing in favour of has absolutely NO exective, business, foreign, or any other kind of experience that would qualify him for the position. NONE! Hillary had more credentials for the job than O does...

[ghostofpf1]

:rofl: I always find it amusing that Bill Clinton is nearly always brought up in some form or another in these types of discussions. He must have been a helluva president to stick in your craws this long :bowdown:
Darin:Those other guys had a lot more going for them than a soccer mom from Wasilla Alaska just based on her demeanor and what little substance she's actually shown us.I for one don't see her standing behind the desk at the Oval Office making the hard decisions.Maybe a good puppet like we already have but she doesn't come off to me as a independant thinker which is what the President should really be IMHO.

Ghost:thumbup:

[Darin Jordan]

Maybe a good puppet like we already have but she doesn't come off to me as a independant thinker which is what the President should really be IMHO.

Not as good a "puppet" as your guy I imagine... You think these are all HIS ideas?? I'll give you this... he's the perfect Democratic mouthpiece... Apparently that's important to some...

On records and actions... I'll stick with my team... They don't have to be polished to be accomplished... or to have "substance"... Actions speak louder than words, after all... and they actually have actions to reflect on...

November 4th can't get here soon enough. I'm dying to see what this big "test" of the most inexperienced candidate in presidential election history is going to be, if he gets elected..... :spy:

[Steven Vaccaro]

I fear the "test", than will fear even more the response. It will probably look something like this

http://www.emofaces.com/en/buddy-icons/w/white-flag-buddy-icon.gif

[Bill-SOCAL]

Good point Steven. The GOP really are the tough guys. Let's review. 7 years later Osama bin Laden still stalks the Earth, Taliban on the come back trail in Afghanistan, 4,100+ American dead in Iraq (600,000+ dead non-combatant Iraqi's) with Al Qaeda with a new found strong hold and recruiting tool.

I feel so much safer.

Bottom line. I had friends who died in 9/11, my brother was in the building across the street and could have been killed and GW BS'd us about how he was "Gonna Git him, Dead or Alive". And yet bin Laden is still alive a free to work his terror against us. So the tough guy approach appears not to have been too successful in my view of things.

BTW - I have a brother in Iraq now, so everyone can spare me the "support the troops" BS. You can support the troops and not the mission and still be a patriot. And as a veteran I am always amused when those who never served question that.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Sorry to hear about your friends Bill. I had one also.

IMO 8 years of Clinton taking blind pot shots in the middle east lead to a weaker America. Sure the economy was tremendous during Clinton terms :thumbup1: . Companies that should have had stocks in the $20 where selling at 5-10 times that :cursing:. How long did we think that was going to last? BUT in the end 7 years after 911 there still has not been another attack on American soil. I do feel safe knowing that.

I agree that Palin said some stupid things. But come on. Imagine if Bidin was the VP of a Major company and said "well this company is going to face a major crisis in 4 months and you the stockholder will not like how our company is going to handle the situation!". :cursing: He would be looking for a new job the next day.
:popcorn2:

[Darin Jordan]

I agree that Palin said some stupid things. But come on. Imagine if Bidin was the VP of a Major company and said "well this company is going to face a major crisis in 4 months and you the stockholder will not like how our company is going to handle the situation!". :cursing: He would be looking for a new job the next day.
:popcorn2:

To add to that... All we every HEAR about are the "stupid" things she's said... the coverage is so biased that we only hear the bad from the McCain campaign, and things like Bidon's rant just get sluffed off and not pursued or even investigated for factual content... :olleyes: Sluffed off along with other things like radical associations, voting records, etc...

If McCain manages to win in this media environment, he truely will be an Hero...

If fact.... him being so close, despite having less than 90-million to spend on his ENTIRE CAMPAIGN, compared to 150-million that O received just last month alone says alot about what it takes to get the Liberal agenda into power...

If they get elected... Here is another little tidbit that we all have to look forward to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine Except that Obama had dodged that one too... instead supporting "Network Neutrality" legislation... so basically just renaming it...

His recent comments about Foxnews clearly show that silencing these critics is on him mind...

[Bill-SOCAL]

OK, you win. It's Clinton's fault. What isn't??

[Darin Jordan]

OK, you win. It's Clinton's fault. What isn't??

I haven't researched all the string of events leading up to 9/11 at this point, but from a financial standpoint, I'm actually blaming the current crisis on Lyndon Johnson (HUD), then Carter (Community Reinvestment Act), and then Clinton (Bigger Community Reinvestment Act), and then Barney Frank, Mr. Dodd, Pelosi, Franklin Raines, Richard Syron, the Democratic led banking finance committee, all those Democrats who fought against all attempts to reign in Fannie and Freddie, etc... who all decided to play "affirmative action" with our mortgage system, at the taxpayers risk and expense... so there is plenty of blame to go around... :tiphat:

[Steven Vaccaro]

OK, you win. It's Clinton's fault. What isn't??


I don't blame everything on Clinton. When was the last time you heard a Dem say Clinton, Carter or for that matter any Dem caused a problem. It seems the blame only goes in one direction all the time. I just wanted to make sure everyone knows there is enough abuse and corruption to spread the blame around to both parties.

I truly believe that no matter who I pick for president, it will not be good for anyone in the end. Only if I vote for my guy it may just be a bit slower.


I'm growing quite tired of voting for the lesser evil. So I will be writing in my president this time around. Joe the plumber is that man. You heard it here first! Joe Wurzelbacher for President. :usa::usa::usa:
And that is the truth!

[Spot Me 2]

Hey, good news. The latest AP poll has the race about even.

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/new-ap-poll-shows-roughly-even-race/197375?icid=100214839x1212016683x1200728573

[AndyKunz]

Darin,

When I was much younger, the polls had Reagan trailing dreadfully in the polls.

He won by a landslide, no matter what measure you use.

There's only 1 poll that really counts, and it's less than 2 weeks away. Until then, you can discount anything the AP or other media says.

BTW, did you notice it was AP-GfK that did the poll? GfK is a German group - I used to work for a company that developed their TV-watching stuff (not too different from early Nielsen). I guess ACORN is now trying to sign up European voters for 11/4...

Andy

[Darin Jordan]

I guess ACORN is now trying to sign up European voters for 11/4...

Andy

Andy... we've been instructed.... errrr... I mean "informed" by the media that we can ignore those associations that O has... They aren't important and just take away "from the issues"... :glare:

Other than those that he'll admit to... he doesn't have any ties to Acorn... and never has... ummm... well... now might have had some.... whoops... worked for them for awhile....... darn.... Nope.... doesn't have any ties there at all...

;)

[ghostofpf1]

Seems Obama isn't the only one who has rubbed shoulders with that commie organization....:bounce:

ACORN Responds to Senator McCain’s Desperate Attack
October 15, 2008


On Wednesday, Oct. 15, ACORN National President Maude Hurd issued the following statement in response to Senator John McCain’s attack:

"We appreciate Senator McCain's effort to stir up the Republican base by attacking a community organization working to increase public participation in our democratic process. However, these attacks reflect an increasingly panicked candidate. Unfortunately, the Senator McCain we saw tonight is very different than the Senator McCain who stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN at a February 20, 2006 immigration reform event.

It is clear for us to see that John McCain was for ACORN before he was against ACORN; he was for reform before he was against reform; and he was a maverick before he became erratic. What is really going on here is that Senator McCain and his allies are part of a coordinated effort to engage in what appears to be an unprecedented effort to suppress voter turnout. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true, and the McCain campaign has resorted to the worst type of deceptions in regards to ACORN."

The Facts:


ACORN has helped 1.3 million citizens from all parties and all walks of life apply for voter registration.
In most states, ACORN is required by law to turn in every voter registration card - even in cases where the cards are not valid.
It is ACORN that has reported almost all of the issues regarding voter registration cards to elections officials, and flagged the suspicious cards.
Invalid voter registration cards do NOT constitute voter fraud. Even RNC General Counsel Sean Cairncross has recently acknowledged he is not aware of a single improper vote cast as a result of bad cards submitted in the course of an organized voter registration effort.
ACORN hired 13,000 field workers to register people to vote. In any endeavor of this size, some people will engage in inappropriate conduct. ACORN has a zero tolerance policy and terminated any field workers caught engaging in questionable activity. At the end of the day, as ACORN is paying these people to register voters, it is ACORN that is defrauded.


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Ghost:thumbup:

[Steven Vaccaro]

The Facts:


ACORN has helped 1.3 million citizens from all parties and all walks of life apply for voter registration.
In most states, ACORN is required by law to turn in every voter registration card - even in cases where the cards are not valid.
It is ACORN that has reported almost all of the issues regarding voter registration cards to elections officials, and flagged the suspicious cards.
Invalid voter registration cards do NOT constitute voter fraud. Even RNC General Counsel Sean Cairncross has recently acknowledged he is not aware of a single improper vote cast as a result of bad cards submitted in the course of an organized voter registration effort.
ACORN hired 13,000 field workers to register people to vote. In any endeavor of this size, some people will engage in inappropriate conduct. ACORN has a zero tolerance policy and terminated any field workers caught engaging in questionable activity. At the end of the day, as ACORN is paying these people to register voters, it is ACORN that is defrauded.


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Ghost:thumbup:

Now that I know that, I feel a hell of a lot better. :sarcasm1:
Another fact. Acorn is "supposed" to be an unbiased group. That's why they get OUR tax dollars to run THEIR organization.

How do you explain Acorns leaders trying to rally the troops for Obama in Acorn speeches?

:popcorn2::popcorn2:

[Dr. Jet]

I'm growing quite tired of voting for the lesser evil. So I will be writing in my president this time around. Joe the plumber is that man. You heard it here first! Joe Wurzelbacher for President. :usa::usa::usa:
And that is the truth!

I think the last time I voted FOR a candidate, it was Ronald Reagan in 1980. Since then, I have only been able to vote AGAINST a candidate.

Joe sounds like somebody I could vote FOR.

:patriot:

Bill,

Your guy will most likely win. The media is doing it's best to make that a reality. They make "Tass" and "Pravda" look fair and balanced in comparison. The only satisfaction I will get will be four years later when I get to say "See, I told you so."

Fortunately, my job involves projects that take decades to design an build, so short-term financial ups and downs don't impact me as much as when I was in the residential market. I just hope I can hang in there for the next four years. I just wonder what your guy will do to the Supreme Court and the lasting impact that will have on this country. Remember, the majority of the "hot bed" issues affecting this country (abortion, affirmative action, gay marriage, illegal alien's rights, and the like) have been forced down our throats by the courts, not a referrendum of the people.

Replublicrats and Demicans, they're all the same now. When was the last time your representative did something on YOUR behalf as opposed to a lobbyist's position? I think we have had taxation without representation since the time Kennedy (a tax-cutting President) was assinated. The people are too disorganized and complacent to rise up against an ever-growing, all-powerful, oppressive government. And those on the Left think giving the government MORE power is "change" for the good.

Welcome to the USSA. We're all going to get screwed no matter what the outcome. Our only choice is whether we get kissed or slapped in the process.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Stop it Ghost!! Facts are NOT what we want to hear. Sean and Rush and Savage all say this is terrible and Obama is a bad man. It MUST be true.

BTW - want to hear something ironic? Here in SOCAL they arrested a guy who owns a similar company that pays people to get registration cards. He was arrested for FRAUD because he was fraudulently getting people to register as Republicans by making them think they were signing a petition against child molestation. He fraudulently registered himself using an invalid address so he could operate in California too.

Funny, I have not heard a peep out of Rush or Sean about this. Imagine the hysteria they would exhibit if everything was the same EXCEPT the party he was fraudulently signing people up for.

And you all are all upset that Obama served on a non-profit board with Ayers but apparently seem to care less that Palin's hubby was a member of the Alaska succesionist party and even spoke to their convention as Governor and praised their work. Nope, it's all good, they're with the GOP so no worries.

Now imagine that Michelle Obama did the same thing and compare the difference in response.

[Dr. Jet]

Now imagine that Michelle Obama did the same thing and compare the difference in response.

All I heard from the media was a deafening silence.

[Darin Jordan]

Stop it Ghost!! Facts are NOT what we want to hear. Sean and Rush and Savage all say this is terrible and Obama is a bad man. It MUST be true.



What did Bidon just say??? "If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...".... WAY too many "associations" for them not to spell out a pattern... You have to have been spiking your kool-aide to just ignore this stuff and "believe" what the rest of the media is telling you that you should ignore...



He was arrested for FRAUD because he was fraudulently getting people to register as Republicans by making them think they were signing a petition against child molestation. He fraudulently registered himself using an invalid address so he could operate in California too.


Was he a NATIONAL organization, receiving TAXPAY $$$ to do what he was doing??? 20-MILLION DOLLARS was in the first "bailout" package for ACORN... THREE pages of bull... er... I mean bill, with the economy on the brink of collapse (supposedly), and they (the DEMOCRATIC AUTHORS) took the time to pad the pockets of ACORN!??? REALLY???

One rouge guy out there is not suprising... I'm sure there are more... But it hardly is worthy of comparison to the HUGE organization that is ACORN...

And I think we've all been guilty of supporting things that we later find out more info about and can no longer support... (Length Limits??? NiMH vs Lipos??? :tt2: ) The basic premise that the "media" portrays of the mission for ACORN is one that I think we can all support... But what they actually are doing in practice, and their deeper charter of what they are working to accomplish, is quite a bit different, and less agreeable than what the "media" puts forth... McCain standing with them in 2006 does NOT translate into McCain agreeing with them in 2008... He's spoken out against them... Has Obama??

[AndyKunz]

And you all are all upset that Obama served on a non-profit board with Ayers but apparently seem to care less that Palin's hubby was a member of the Alaska succesionist party and even spoke to their convention as Governor and praised their work.

Um, some of us still support secession. I wouldn't mind seeing NJ split into 3 states (it really is already in practice but only 1 section's votes count - the Dem's section of course), and I know that a lot of Northern California would LOVE to eliminate the Southern portion of the state. Secession of counties is really not that much different from secession of states (BTW, Alaska has no counties).

According to the Constitution of the United States, unless a right is explicitly granted to the Congress, that right remains with the individual states. There was no clause in the Constitution giving the Congress the right to declare war on states exercising their reserved right to secede.

But remember, it was the Democrats who seceded. It's really not a Republican/Democrat issue, sorry dude.

Texas is the only state whose Constitution was accepted by the Congress with the explicit right to secede. Since the US Constitution has nothing to say about it to the contrary, all states have the implied right.

Andy

[Flying Scotsman]

Good point Steven. The GOP really are the tough guys. Let's review. 7 years later Osama bin Laden still stalks the Earth, Taliban on the come back trail in Afghanistan, 4,100+ American dead in Iraq (600,000+ dead non-combatant Iraqi's) with Al Qaeda with a new found strong hold and recruiting tool.

I feel so much safer.

Bottom line. I had friends who died in 9/11, my brother was in the building across the street and could have been killed and GW BS'd us about how he was "Gonna Git him, Dead or Alive". And yet bin Laden is still alive a free to work his terror against us. So the tough guy approach appears not to have been too successful in my view of things.

BTW - I have a brother in Iraq now, so everyone can spare me the "support the troops" BS. You can support the troops and not the mission and still be a patriot. And as a veteran I am always amused when those who never served question that.

From an outsiders point of view and with 2 nephews in Irag and Afganistan :iagree::iagree: Afganistan was required...Irag????
Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

For those of you who keep questioning Palin's "experience" and credentials... Here a little something you won't read, at least not outside of the out-of-context BS that CNN pulled from it yesterday, on most "media" outlets. If you want to know some of what she has accomplished, in detail, this is a good article to read:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjEyMzk3MWU4Yzk1NGQyMWYwZjk0OTcyNmEzYTM5N2E=

[Flying Scotsman]

Darin, as the Devils Advocate, if she was on the other side..what would you state.

Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

Darin, as the Devils Advocate, if she was on the other side..what would you state.

Douggie

That's somewhat of a loaded question... but I would do exactly what I'm doing now... I'd look at their history and track records and then compare that to what they are saying and make a judgement from there...

I'm thinking we need a big change as well, but I have my opinions on what that change needs to look like, and making this a Socialist country is not the change I'm looking for.

I think we need to get back to some basics and become a powerful nation again... not just another in the fold. Our public schools are a perfect example of what happens when you work to the lowest common denominator... you get a group of averages and very few "over-achievers"... Our math and science and reading test scores prove it...

I'm willing to work much harder than that to be MUCH better than that...

Think about a handicapping system in boat racing... Let's use the upcoming All-Star shootout as an example.... If someone practices and practices and practices... learns their boat... figures out what it needs... really works to learn how to drive it... Should we add lead to his boat to slow it down so someone who perhaps just showed up can compete??

Sorry, but that's just not how I think things should work. You want to beat me... then work harder than me... have more talent than me... practice more than me... I'm willing to give you advice (the "hand up"), but I'm not going to take away from my own program to just allow you to win ("hand out")...

Sarah Palin, despite how the press is trying to destroy here, is a legitimate politician and has real accomplishments to her credit. You may not like how she speaks or her beliefs, but that doesn't mean she's not qualified. As I said before, you don't have to be a "polished" speaker to be qualified to be vice-President, or President for that matter. Well... perhaps that's good enough for some...

The bottom line is that at it's core, I don't subscribe to the direction the Democrats have shown they want to take this country. It's been proven not to work, it's been shown not to work, it doesn't make sense for business, it doesn't make sense for families, and it's not a sustainable plan... Capitalism, with an appropriate amount of controls and oversight, works...

And, quite frankly, I believe in God and Country and America, and I don't feel that many on the left share that love of country.

Sorry for the ramble... but you did ask... :tiphat:

[ghostofpf1]

And, quite frankly, I believe in God and Country and America, and I don't feel that many on the left share that love of country.

What a complete and utter load of hogwash....:doh:

Ghost:glare:

[Dr. Jet]

And, quite frankly, I believe in God and Country and America, and I don't feel that many on the left share that love of country.

So let me get this straight..... If one man feels that a group gives him a particular impression that you disagree with, his feelings are complete and utter hogwash, and that your feelings are the only ones with merit?

I'm not entirely certain which side is spewing the hogwash. :confused2:

I wish I lived in a country that had more people like Darin. :thumbup1:

[JimClark]

Oh boy check this out to see what we are in for
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/23/would-obama-dems-kill-401k-plans.html

Jim

[Darin Jordan]

Oh boy check this out to see what we are in for
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/23/would-obama-dems-kill-401k-plans.html

Jim

Yup... I read and heard about that today... GREAT IDEA... :olleyes:

Just another example of the way things may be heading...

I'd love to hear all those Obama supporters out there explain to us how this would be good for me?? Anyone???

[AndyKunz]

Actually, I consider the press' anti-Palin stand as a very high compliment. It tells me they don't like what she stands for, and since I like what a lot of the mainstream press stands against, she might be worth considering.

Andy

[Darin Jordan]

Back on topic... More "Funny's"... :unsure:


Just received this memo:


As of November 5, 2008, when President Obama is officially elected into office, our company will instill a few new policies which are in keeping with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:

1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you. This will serve to give those of you who are underachieving a “fair shake.”

2. All low level workers will be pooling their wages, including overtime, into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst yourselves. This will help those who are “too busy for overtime” to reap the rewards from those who have more spare time and can work extra hours.


3. All top management will now be referred to as “the government.” We will not participate in this “pooling” experience because the law doesn't apply to us.


4. The “government” will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week, encouraging it's workers to continue to work hard “for the good of all.”


5. The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's “good to spread the wealth.” Those of you who have underachieved will finally get an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel more “patriotic.”


6. The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks. Don't feel bad, though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free foodstamps, and he'll let you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress, you might even get a free flatscreen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?) !!!

[AndyKunz]

...and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?) !!!

Good thing The Johns were flushed! That would have been the 28th Amendment. And the Supreme Court would have ruled that we were all entitled to have it done while aboard an aircraft on the ramp!

:crying:

Andy

[Spot Me 2]

The sky is falling............ The sky is falling

[Steven Vaccaro]

"1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you. This will serve to give those of you who are underachieving a “fair shake.”


Alot of my lazy butt friends that are sales people will like this idea!

[Darin Jordan]

Good thing The Johns were flushed! That would have been the 28th Amendment. And the Supreme Court would have ruled that we were all entitled to have it done while aboard an aircraft on the ramp!

:crying:

Andy

Don't count your chickens yet... One of those "Johns" is still in the Senate and I'm sure he already has the legislation drawn up in anticipation... :lol: :unsure:

[Steven Vaccaro]

The sky is falling............ The sky is falling

Unfortunately the "sky is falling", we just call it the financial sector. A bunch of my friends have been living well in that area over the past years. Talking to them now is frightening!

[Darin Jordan]

The sky is falling............ The sky is falling


No... the sky is still clearly there... it's the STOCK MARKET that you are thinking about... :tt2:

[Dr. Jet]

Here is the text of an interesting email I received:

Subject: Fw: Sometimes we have to agree to disagree...

Most Americans are aware of Bill Lear, because of his Lear Jet business; however, he has accomplished much more, as you can see from this.

William P. Lear -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia. His opinions are worth a read. He lives in Port Orange Fl.

A serious comment by Bill Lear (Lear Jet)

Subject: Straight talk for Republicans and Democrats.

A Humble Plea to McCain and Obama Supporters:

Dear friends,

I am truly astonished by the ignorance Obama supporters have displayed in their quest to get someone - ANYONE - into the White House. Now, wait a minute. I can well understand your dislike or even hatred of our clown, GWB, but he is not the root cause of all of our problems. Our Congress is. And a change there would be welcomed by all. You Ain’t gonna get it done with Obama. You got to fire the whole damnable crooked Congress.

Perhaps I'm looking at all of this from a different perspective than you because my life experiences have been so different from yours. I'm 80-years old and have traveled the world where I've seen a great deal. I spent five years on active duty as a fighter pilot in the USAF and another seven years flying with the Air National Guard in California and Texas as well as a few years flying in the USAF Reserve. I spent three years on active duty in Germany flying Czech border patrol with "cold guns" in aircraft inferior to the MIG during the Korean "Police Action" when it was thought that Korea was a diversion for a Soviet invasion of Western Europe.

I lived abroad for a total of 28 years. Three years in Germany, twenty years in Switzerland and five years in Great Britain where I was based doing "spook" work for the U.S. behind the Iron Curtain before it fell. During that era of the Cold War I ventured to Moscow, Prague, Warsaw, Bucharest, Peshawar, Pakistan and Bulgaria posing as a Swiss French-speaking arms dealer purchasing weapons we surreptitiously supplied to the Afghani Mujahedeen in their successful fight against the Soviets - all of which came back to haunt us. I've been there and done that and have had close associations with top government people in Germany, the Netherlands and Great Britain. I've had more foreign affair experience than Obama could ever dream of and, yet, wouldn't have the temerity to deign myself "Presidential" material; although I feel eminently more qualified to judge who would NOT be best for our country. My long-time world experience should count for something in my plea to you to abandon this miscreant flake. You will only be doing yourself and our country an enormous disservice if you persist in your support of this flash-in-the-pan opportunist. On this, you MUST trust me.

I've associated closely with European royalty and African politicians. I've traveled to the Far East to observe their cultures. My point is that Obama, although formally well educated and a brilliant orator, is a neophyte when it comes to understanding the world and is uniquely unqualified for the job as President of these great United States. His knowledge of economics is nil and his tax proposals absurd and life-threatening to the U.S. not only in economic terms but in preserving our national security as well. I don't want a "citizen of the world" to be President, I want a citizen of the good old USA to be President.


Screw the rest of the world as they have well and truly screwed us. The time has come for us to awaken and start looking after ourselves. Now THAT would be CHANGE if that's what you're looking for.

While McCain has abstained from playing "the race-card", Obama is playing it to the hilt even though he's technically not an African-American. To qualify for this distinction you must be at least one-sixth black. Obama is only one-eighth. His father would be, as he was one-sixth. No, Obama is more Muslim than black yet he trades on his blackness.

The larger question I have about him is that we really don't know much about him other than what HE tells us, what we read on blogs and from some serious non-partisan investigators whose factual reports are, unfortunately, generally ignored and which receive precious little media exposure.

I, as a registered Independent, a military veteran and a patriot, beseech you to put aside party considerations and vote for the lesser of the two evils. Yes, I am NOT a McCain supporter, but he is, at least, not a flake, doesn't carry Muslim baggage and is a PROVEN hero and patriot WITH experience. It's not a party issue. It's all about electing the best we can trust with what we've got to work with. Mr. Obama is NOT that guy.

Please, please rethink your voting position. Thanks for reading my innermost thoughts. I care about all of you, but I care more about our country. Please help me to do both.

William P. (Bill) Lear, Jr.

lear@cfl.rr.com

[Darin Jordan]

My wife just told me a great, and very true, story...

Our Chiropractor went out to dinner last night... As he was walking in, he passed a homeless guy outside with a sign that said "Vote for Obama, I need the help"...

During his meal, he noticed that his waiter had an Obama Shirt or pin or something supporting Obama.. Doc asked him why he was voting for Obama and he got the standard "NBC" news line (we need "change"... yada-yada-yada)...

At the end of the meal, the waiter had done an excellent job and had earned a nice tip... When he came to collect the bill, Doc told him:

"You did a great job and deserve this tip, but I'm not going to give it to you. Instead, I'm going to give it to the homeless guy outside because we need to 'spread the wealth' and this is what you are voting for."

Doc did it....

The homeless guy was happy... the waiter was VERY pissed off... :tiphat:

[AndyKunz]

Oh, that's called "passing it forward" or something like that, isn't it?!??! Or is it a random act of kindness?!?!?

I guess it stops being a kindness when somebody "forces" you to be charitable, huh!!

Great story, perfect application!! Thanks, Darin!

Andy

[Flying Scotsman]

That is a great revelation for some. Darin and Andy for President...What a team. Andy,you can wear the high heels if you wish :smile:
Seriously, you guys are going to make a descion that will have huge global dynamics.
Two week candidates. But if I could vote..Republican.

Douggie

[AndyKunz]

I don't think heels come in size 14 wide.

And if they did, they'd leave dents in the concrete ;)

Darin's gonna have to wear them.

Andy

[Wetter]

Now Look What's Going On!
I have been Locked and Loaded since 9/11 and this will be even worse!
Friends and family all across this once Great Nation.
Right Now, States Of America. (no unity at all).
Be ready.............................some how this is not funny any more. GOD BLESS OUR VETERANS. or we would most likely not be able to post.