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obrien
10-06-2008, 12:51 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/05/137515.html

ghostofpf1
10-06-2008, 12:59 PM
I wonder if there's enough room on that plate for all the corruption and scandal linked to the republicans and the last 8 years or would it have to be an all you can eat buffet ?? :doh:
Ghost :roflol:

RCprince
10-06-2008, 04:03 PM
With 300 million people living in this country I'd hate to think that we so linear we as only two views that represent us. Pat Buchanan once said "Democrats and Republicans are two wings on the same eagle" You will never find change in either party, they are like ground in dirt.

rockwerks
10-06-2008, 04:50 PM
With 300 million people living in this country I'd hate to think that we so linear we as only two views that represent us. Pat Buchanan once said "Democrats and Republicans are two wings on the same eagle" You will never find change in either party, they are like ground in dirt.

actually both have made major steps toward the middle in the past few years.

But Obama does scare me. Not his terrorist ties LOL but the fact that every time he has had the chance to vote against tax increases he has voted in favor of them. His insurance plan for us all to have health coverage will cause the collapse of many insurance companies.........you think the country is in an economic recession now, wait and see what will happen if he gets elected.......we are all screwed!

RCprince
10-06-2008, 05:09 PM
Obama will have you in no more economical trouble than your in now or you'd be in with Mccain, they all subscribe and are governed by the same doctrine, Stop believing the hype. One takes it from the top and the other the bottom. But in the end you've still been taken.

Avanti
10-06-2008, 05:49 PM
F@%* obama hows that for being PC.
He is the worst possible thing for this country right now. there are too many stupid rednecks that want him dead based on the color of his skin, and if he gets elected they will relentlessly try to kill him. This will cause major race riots with all the stupid n@##*%s that think we are all white devils, and even if he doesn't will these same tards will riot because they will say "he only lost because he's black and the white man is trying to keep us down AGAIN!"

All politicians are criminals and should be treated as such from the public. We need to come together as a country and take over and make it right, but I digress, because that will never happen due to the power the haves, have over the have nots.

This country has a long way to go before we can all just get along.

rockwerks
10-06-2008, 05:56 PM
F@%* obama hows that for being PC.
He is the worst possible thing for this country right now. there are too many stupid rednecks that want him dead based on the color of his skin, and if he gets elected they will relentlessly try to kill him. This will cause major race riots with all the stupid n@##*%s that think we are all white devils, and even if he doesn't will these same tards will riot because they will say "he only lost because he's black and the white man is trying to keep us down AGAIN!"

All politicians are criminals and should be treated as such from the public. We need to come together as a country and take over and make it right, but I digress, because that will never happen due to the power the haves, have over the have nots.

This country has a long way to go before we can all just get along.

Damn man dont hold back now Tell us how you really feel! :sarcasm1::rofl:

ghostofpf1
10-06-2008, 05:57 PM
This country has a long way to go before we can all just get along.

And your post shows just how far some of us have to go before that ever happens :thumbsdown:

Ghost

Avanti
10-06-2008, 06:18 PM
And your post shows just how far some of us have to go before that ever happens :thumbsdown:

Ghost
yes and you replying that way shows you have just as far to go

take your thumbs down and turn it up your A$$

rockwerks
10-06-2008, 06:24 PM
yes and you replying that way shows you have just as far to go

take your thumbs down and turn it up your A$$

:popcorn2::popcorn2:

ghostofpf1
10-06-2008, 07:29 PM
yes and you replying that way shows you have just as far to go

take your thumbs down and turn it up your A$$

:blah::blah::blah:

For all you know I am a black man that would be highly offended by your obvious racist remarks.The internet is largely faceless and a little tact goes a long way.
Be racist if you must but don't offend half the world with your ignorance by typing it out loud.

PS..keyboard cowboys always amuse me...:rofl:
Ghost

obrien
10-06-2008, 08:19 PM
you being offended wouldn't really bother him.

Avanti
10-06-2008, 08:23 PM
:blah::blah::blah:

For all you know I am a black man that would be highly offended by your obvious racist remarks.The internet is largely faceless and a little tact goes a long way.
Be racist if you must but don't offend half the world with your ignorance by typing it out loud.

PS..keyboard cowboys always amuse me...:rofl:
Ghost
You must be the racist, giving me *!***!***!***!**e because I'm "whitey"
re-read my first post, nothing racist there just pointing out the obvious.
as far as you being black or white I could give a *!***!***!***!**e less.

Avanti
10-06-2008, 08:36 PM
Lighten up francis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpHBPQyoYXQ&eurl=http://whenyouronlytoolisahammer.blogspot.com/

this will make you laugh

RCprince
10-06-2008, 08:56 PM
Change is the only constant, as for race, kids today have removed themselves from the ideals of their parents that has handicapped humanity. Racism, Classism, Sexism and all the other ism's.

rockwerks
10-06-2008, 09:21 PM
Change is the only constant, as for race, kids today have removed themselves from the ideals of their parents that has handicapped humanity. Racism, Classism, Sexism and all the other ism's.

the real killer or morality is Political correctness

ghostofpf1
10-06-2008, 10:00 PM
You must be the racist, giving me *!***!***!***!**e because I'm "whitey"
re-read my first post, nothing racist there just pointing out the obvious.
as far as you being black or white I could give a *!***!***!***!**e less.

Yeah..that's me..giving "whitey" a hard time :olleyes:

Ghost:bounce:

RCprince
10-06-2008, 10:17 PM
This is some funny stuff....Please allow and administration change we need money to build more boats, and idle mind is the evil one's workshop.

NorthernBoater
10-06-2008, 10:50 PM
I think they need to inact term limits for all political offices. I do not believe the signers of the constitution ever intended politics to be a career. I think it should be something you do to serve your country for a short period time.

RCprince
10-06-2008, 11:25 PM
I think they need to inact term limits for all political offices. I do not believe the signers of the constitution ever intended politics to be a career. I think it should be something you do to serve your country for a short period time.

:buttrock::iagree: 4 years max, now in new york mayor bloomberg wants to over turn the 2 term limit, these heffa's

Avanti
10-07-2008, 12:05 AM
I think they need to inact term limits for all political offices. I do not believe the signers of the constitution ever intended politics to be a career. I think it should be something you do to serve your country for a short period time.

:iagree:

Flying Scotsman
10-07-2008, 06:13 PM
Boy, you lads love your politics. The problem for me, as a concerned person who does not reside in the USA. The two options that you face as possible Presidents of the USA scare the hell out of me. One,who is a great orator but states nothing. The other a man who has one hell of a temper. Whose hand do you want on the button? For me NEITHER

Douggie

teach
10-07-2008, 10:06 PM
I would vote for Palin/Mccain...just not the other way.:zip-up:

RCprince
10-07-2008, 11:11 PM
It is a government of the people by the people for the people no longer; it is a government of corporations by corporations for corporations.
~ Rutherford B. Hayes

Steven Vaccaro
10-08-2008, 07:37 AM
I think they need to inact term limits for all political offices. I do not believe the signers of the constitution ever intended politics to be a career. I think it should be something you do to serve your country for a short period time.

:iagree:

I hate to give up BUT after last nights debate it looks like O is going to be the next president. The dems will get what they want over the next 4 years. Total control of the whole situation. There will be no excuses for not getting what they want done. Oh boy I look forward to this! :sarcasm1:

Darin Jordan
10-08-2008, 07:48 AM
:iagree:

I hate to give up BUT after last nights debate it looks like O is going to be the next president. The dems will get what they want over the next 4 years. Total control of the whole situation. There will be no excuses for not getting what they want done. Oh boy I look forward to this! :sarcasm1:

Steven,

Don't give up just yet... There could still be some suprises coming up over the next 4-weeks... The Obama campaign is linked to some pretty bad stuff... Acorn just got raided in Nevada for voter fraud investigation and I think that's just the begining...

I am hopeful that the GOP has saved the "best" adds for last... 4-weeks is a long time. If they expose the truth, then hopefully America will wake up and figure it out...

If not... then I honestly think it's time to start investing in "precious metals" to secure the future of my family... Brass, Lead, and Copper...

It's time for America to decide... Socialistic/Fascist idealologies i.e. "The American Promise", or Free-Market/Capitalistic ideologies, i.e.: "The American Dream"...

I have a feeling that at least 50% of this county simply doesn't know the difference... :ThumbsDown01:

Diegoboy
10-08-2008, 07:55 AM
One of my scale boater members is (or should I say "was") going to vote for Mr. O. I never talk politics with him, just Boats. One day he brought up politics with me by asking me a question about who it to blame for this mess. I told him that I could answer that easily but I needed to know what side he is on. He said he's voting for Obama. I told him that he can continue getting his spoon fed answers from his already bad sources.
Puzzled, he started to dig. I turned him on to talk radio, and the fox news channel. The next day, you could see a light bulb turning on. It was awesome.
That Mr. O sign is no longer in his yard.

One down!

Steven Vaccaro
10-08-2008, 08:07 AM
Darin the majority of people just don't care about morals any longer. They are superficial. The "View" show is a perfect example. Those women seemed to be in love with O.

By the way from now on he's O in my typing. He's not worth the effort to type his full name and I just wont give him the respect.

I know as a business owner I shouldn't be reflecting my view like this, but in my eyes its plain and simple, We as a people should NOT elect a person into the highest office that has Wright views! Plain and simple! Some will say that he denounced Wright. Well O either believes what Wright says or he's a hypocrite. Either way its wrong and proves his hatred of the USA!

Darin Jordan
10-08-2008, 09:15 AM
To take it one step further... when you hire someone for a job... you look at their resume... You see what they've worked on... what experiences they have... where they went to school... what kind of grades they received... Sometimes you look into what kind of activies they do outside of work... These pieces of information say a lot about what someone has done for others, and what they are likely to be able to do for your company...

Often, you then look at their PERSONAL REFERENCES... People that you know, have worked with, are associates, etc... who know you well enough to vouch for you...

"O" (Obama... Oprah... either way... ;) ) worked for Bill Ayers as head of his foundation, or board, or whatever it was called, for over 5-years... administering over 50-million dollars in grants to some of the most radical groups in the Chicago area... Groups that expouse the overthrow of "traditional" education... that believe that education should be done in the vain of "radicalizing" students to fight against the system... and more... It's a relationship (with Bill Ayres), that OBVIOUSLY goes WAY beyond "just someone in my neighborhood"...

With Wright... 20-YEARS in that man's church... How many of you would spend 20-MINUTES in a church or any gathering being presided over by someone whose views and ideals you do NOT agree with and would denounce??

Associations like these are quick to be dismissed by ABC and NBC and the 80% leftist media elites... but to the rest of us who actually want to do some thinking on our own... I think they are IMPORTANT... JUST like those associations listed on your resume... they describe a history and a pattern and a belief structure and a work ethic...

Look at the two candidates resumes and tell me what YOU see...

duncanjerry
10-08-2008, 10:00 AM
I think you hit the nail on the head with that one Darin.

RCprince
10-08-2008, 10:19 AM
Politics nor Religion is not gonna save any of you, No matter who gets in. your interest are not important thats why you are surveyed at the polling booth with the final decision giving to the electoral college, your fighting against a machine who keeps you divided: Black, White, Man, Woman, Liberal, Conservative, Straight, Gay, Republican, Democrat, Old, Young, Tall, Short, Fat, Skinny...It's a perfectly construct machine with checks and balances at every level. The sheep's no longer need the sheepdogs because they keep themselves in check. Most political speech writers are taught to write speech for a 8 grade level of education, because thats the level of education most of us will ever acquire.

We are not taught to do critical thinking. Monday Night Football, Dance with the Stars, American Idol, et' al, these are the things that occupy most of our time. We have the most educational institution per square mile and yet still Corporations fight for H1B visas, I think their actions speak volumes. Change is inevitable regardless of who disapprove.

The World Bank and the IMF terrorizes every nation on the planet through economical terrorism, as we(U.S. corporations) benefit the most. As long as the circumference of your thinking is defined by linear non exploratory thinking, you subject your self to a paradigm of subjectivity, and subject are just that, subjects to those who control every aspect of their lives : Religion, Politics, Economics, Education, Food, Shelter.

We've forgot how to fight to liberate ourselves, all we do now is pass the buck to proxies called politicians and give them a blank check with no accountability until it's the next time to be re-elected. Politicians are useless

Darin Jordan
10-08-2008, 10:28 AM
We've forgot how to fight to liberate ourselves...

Speak for yourself... My family is still fighting, and will continue to do so... :usa: Unfortunately... it appears that we may just go down fighting... because in general, you are correct... Too many have forgotten what America stands for... We're about to be "blended" into the rest of the World... Some view this as a good thing... But I believe it will spell the end of this being the "greatest nation" ... let's face it.... if you aren't on top... someone else is...

And it appears a majority of this country is just fine with that... :unsure:

We could really use some LEADERs right now... because this is becoming a nation of "what have you done for me lately" followers...

RCprince
10-08-2008, 10:44 AM
We'll like I said Darin, we've allow laziness to get the best of us, by voting for politicians and giving them a blank check with no accountability except for when it's time for re-election. NAFTA-GATT, SPP Now the AMERO...Our sovereignty is a thing of the past because of our passiveness. it's a wrap, unless every American and I mean every (Without sacrifice no ground is gained) walk on Washington, Remove every incumbent, numbers speak volumes but with division the opposition reaps all the time.

RCprince
10-08-2008, 12:02 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912 The Addendun

highndry
10-08-2008, 07:20 PM
I'll spare you my rant, being a fairly poltical individual with decididly conservative views that are better expressed on other 'forums'. Bottom line..Sarah is hot.

highndry
10-08-2008, 07:23 PM
Just thought I'd temper the debate with alittle sexism.

Steven Vaccaro
10-08-2008, 08:20 PM
Bottom line..Sarah is hot.


:beerchug:

Avanti
10-08-2008, 08:30 PM
NOBAMA 08!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADZnsIkpdQ

Avanti
10-08-2008, 08:41 PM
this I'm sure is a fake, but still funny to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaYEPMOZDE0&feature=related

Avanti
10-08-2008, 08:49 PM
it was real
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-24ONaYCIzY&feature=related

highndry
10-09-2008, 09:01 PM
Flying,

As someone much wiser than I said.. 'Temper is a vise of virtuous people'.

rockwerks
10-09-2008, 09:22 PM
Sarah is hot Id hit that!

How do you turn a Republican into a Democrat?

Remove his brain J/K

Quicksilver
10-10-2008, 01:47 AM
:hide:nutters

Bill-SOCAL
10-10-2008, 02:53 AM
Flying,

As someone much wiser than I said.. 'Temper is a vise of virtuous people'.

Here you go:


Commemoration of Theodore of Tarsus, Archbishop of Canterbury, 690 The peculiarity of ill temper is that it is the vice of the virtuous. It is often the one blot on an otherwise noble character. You know men who are all but perfect, and women who would be entirely perfect, but for an easily ruffled, quick-tempered, or "touchy" disposition. This compatibility of ill temper with high moral character is one of the strangest and saddest problems of ethics... No form of vice -- not worldliness, not greed of gold, not drunkenness itself -- does more to unChristianize society than evil temper. For embittering life, for breaking up communities, for destroying the most sacred relationships, for devastating homes, for withering up men and women, for taking the bloom off of childhood -- in short, for sheer, gratuitous misery-producing power -- this influence stands alone.

Flying Scotsman
10-10-2008, 01:30 PM
As a person not living in the USA.
We have a global problem that neither candidate can solve. I am afraid to say it is time to batten down the hatches as the true storm has not hit yet. The world leaders today are a very poor lot.

Douggie

Bill-SOCAL
10-10-2008, 04:06 PM
Well Douggie, I think this sums up my feelings on who we should hold responsible for the mess we are in:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/428397/south_park_blame_canada/

domwilson
10-10-2008, 05:32 PM
Ask a politician, "Does the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one?" It seems to me that the needs of the few have been the choice of late. We can place blame on the politicians, the banks, Greedy CEO's, etc. but aren't we just as much to blame for blindly letting this happen? I agree with RCPrince. But I also want to add that we have become very complacent in our thinking. We allow others to make decisions for us. To take basic rights and freedoms from us a little at a time, knowing that we won't object as long as it is in increments, and impose laws and regulations that they themselves pay no heed to. The constitution is not just a document, but an establishment of what made this nation great. "We, the people" should not be mistaken for "We, the politicians" or "We, the richest". Those that we choose to lead us should be held accountable if they fail us. That's my rant.

Flying Scotsman
10-11-2008, 12:24 PM
Well Douggie, I think this sums up my feelings on who we should hold responsible for the mess we are in:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/428397/south_park_blame_canada/

Bill, that is hillarious :thumbup:

Douggie

Dr. Jet
10-12-2008, 11:19 AM
Here's a little background on Obama that even I (a hard-core Right-Wing Extremist), did not know:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5411

Kfoss1
10-12-2008, 06:05 PM
Well, if there was ever any doubt, that should clear it up!

RCprince
10-12-2008, 07:16 PM
If it ain't on the EXTREME RIGHT (Hannity, O'Reilly) FOXNEWS it's not news, for the opposition.

Darin Jordan
10-12-2008, 11:21 PM
If it ain't on the EXTREME RIGHT (Hannity, O'Reilly) FOXNEWS it's not news, for the opposition.

I find it odd that people would consider Hannity or O'Reilly "extreme right"... Guess that's just what happens when you explore ANY part of the "other side" of the story... and actually investigate the facts on both sides... :olleyes:

RCprince
10-12-2008, 11:27 PM
We'll in the M-ass Media, they play the part of the extreme right, obviously they can't talk about guns and and building communes. So they are as close as you get...personally I think they are inciters and provocateurs.

highndry
10-12-2008, 11:30 PM
Needs of the many...? I think that was Spock.

Beam me up Scotty. Theres no intelligent life down here.

Darin Jordan
10-13-2008, 12:26 AM
...personally I think they are inciters and provocateurs.


And I think they ask questions and provide discussion on topics that need to be talked about, but that the Left controlled media won't touch for fear of bringing down the second coming that they think they are a part of...

How any true American can just sluff off the facts surrounding this guy and what he stands for is unbelievable to me... He wants to bring "change" all right... Pure Socialism/Marxism... NOT the kind of change this country needs...

Think about it for a moment... When is the last time you can think of ANY US Presidential candidate parading around young school kids singing songs of praise about how he's going to "lead" them into the future??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM

This kind of stuff is what we see in Russia and China and, yes... in Germany just prior to WWII... Images of the would-be US President as a "Glorious Leader"... :glare: Sorry... That's been tried... And my Grandfather and many others had to go over there and clean the crap up do to the aftermath... Hell... the guy has his own seal/symbol/flag already... Is that something that NORMALLY happens?? Sure... if you are in Germany maybe... Check out the "Obama Seal" flag in the background of that video... :olleyes:

Oh... and then there is this:

http://www.capveterans.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/obama_s_patriotism.jpg

Just great...

Sorry... but this is NOT the kind of change I can support... ESPECIALLY when I KNOW that the party that looks like it is going to end up getting elected is the party that truely has caused this mess in the first place...

Avanti
10-13-2008, 01:22 AM
We'll in the M-ass Media, they play the part of the extreme right, obviously they can't talk about guns and and building communes. So they are as close as you get...personally I think they are inciters and provocateurs.are you at all serious???

the media is LEFT

Avanti
10-13-2008, 01:28 AM
And I think they ask questions and provide discussion on topics that need to be talked about, but that the Left controlled media won't touch for fear of bringing down the second coming that they think they are a part of...

How any true American can just sluff off the facts surrounding this guy and what he stands for is unbelievable to me... He wants to bring "change" all right... Pure Socialism/Marxism... NOT the kind of change this country needs...

Think about it for a moment... When is the last time you can think of ANY US Presidential candidate parading around young school kids singing songs of praise about how he's going to "lead" them into the future??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM

This kind of stuff is what we see in Russia and China and, yes... in Germany just prior to WWII... Images of the would-be US President as a "Glorious Leader"... :glare: Sorry... That's been tried... And my Grandfather and many others had to go over there and clean the crap up do to the aftermath... Hell... the guy has his own seal/symbol/flag already... Is that something that NORMALLY happens?? Sure... if you are in Germany maybe... Check out the "Obama Seal" flag in the background of that video... :olleyes:

Oh... and then there is this:

http://www.capveterans.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/obama_s_patriotism.jpg

Just great...

Sorry... but this is NOT the kind of change I can support... ESPECIALLY when I KNOW that the party that looks like it is going to end up getting elected is the party that truely has caused this mess in the first place...
This needed reposting

No thanks, barry keep the change

That's awesome

RCprince
10-13-2008, 01:57 AM
thats why I stay away from the alphabet soup media, left, right sounds like a military cadence walk.


"How any true American can just sluff off the facts surrounding this guy and what he stands for is unbelievable to me... He wants to bring "change" all right... Pure Socialism/Marxism... NOT the kind of change this country needs..."

Presidents are puppets, Military generals have more power and experience than these clowns, You think in all seriousness a general(s) with 25 to 30 years of power and knowledge is gonna allows some pasty over ride their decisions ha, Eisenhower said it best "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." Socialism/Marxism been on the agenda before Obama, he or any other president is not even a cog in the wheel of global control.

The European union, The Asian union, The African Union, The North American Union and the one world union. Obama will be Elected because his imagery will accelerate the African union and help siphon more resources out of Africa, regardless of who likes it or not, Americans don't matter anymore in the greater scheme of things, We make nothing, 75 percent of our fossil fuel comes from abroad, all of our highly educated doctors, engineers come from some of the most impoverish nations on the planet.

We are being imprisoned by our gluttonous appetite to consume. our children are glued to xbox, Nintendo, mobile texting, yahoo, msn, aol messengers, the latest fashions, the best cars, homes, while children in the rest of the world are struggling to study in candle light and dirt beds, we turn our nose down at them today but tomorrow they'll make the policies , run the corporations that control you, and it's happening right now.

President do what they are selected to do when placed in office manage the company they were hired to manage for the share holders, which ain't us.

domwilson
10-14-2008, 10:35 AM
Bueller. Bueller. Has anyone seen Ferris Bueller?

http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/article/yourlife/112984

ghostofpf1
10-14-2008, 12:51 PM
Anyone that lets others do their thinking for them.....parrots their favorite talking heads claiming it as their own.....buys into sound and image bites like they were penny stocks......well lets say I don't hold them in the highest regard intellectually.:ThumbsDown01:

Ghost

AndyKunz
10-14-2008, 02:55 PM
We make nothing, 75 percent of our fossil fuel comes from abroad, all of our highly educated doctors, engineers come from some of the most impoverish nations on the planet.

I'm an engineer. I come from NJ. So I guess I'm from one of the most impoverished nations on the planet?

I design things. Many times built right here in the USA (and for years, in my own shop). I guess that's nothing?

Like my mother said, "If I told you once, I told you a million times: STOP EXAGGERATING!" :tt2:

People who use words like "all", "everything", "nothing", "always" and "never" are often approaching a problem emotionally rather than a logically. Rarely will emotional 'solutions' solve the real issue. Doubt it? Ask a marriage counselor.

This is why a certain politician not worth wasting one letter for his name (other than to note O is similarly shaped to 0) is using these sorts of words, and why his emotional appeal is to women, toward non-thinking masses, toward non-thinking conspiracists, and is based on undefined "change." Change what? Why, "everything" of course! An elitist appealling to the masses! Give me a break, don't waste your time voting for that loser!

Andy

Dr. Jet
10-14-2008, 04:01 PM
This is why a certain politician......is using these sorts of words, and why his emotional appeal is to women, toward non-thinking masses, toward non-thinking conspiracists, and is based on undefined "change." Change what? Why, "everything" of course! An elitist appealling to the masses! Give me a break, don't waste your time voting for that loser!

Andy

Hey, didn't the Bolsheviks bring "change" to Russia? And isn't that certain politician's plans remarkably similar to the Bolshevik's plans? Go back and study the Bolshevik Revolution. Learn about "change".

This country needs more people like Andy and fewer people like George Soros.

AndyKunz
10-14-2008, 05:20 PM
NOTE: "Like" is different from "the same as." I think one of me is enough. So does my wife :D And I think you all would agree.

A nation who think "the same as" George would be a very, very bad place.

Andy

Flying Scotsman
10-14-2008, 05:28 PM
I guess the gloves are off now. Please state any platform that any candidate has stated with conviction? A bystander

Douggie

Dr. Jet
10-14-2008, 08:15 PM
I guess the gloves are off now. Please state any platform that any candidate has stated with conviction? A bystander

Douggie

Neither of them have stated anything with conviction with one exception: B.O. has stated he is for income redistribution.

Another election cycle goes by and again, I vote for the lesser of two evils. There are some 300,000,000 people in this country, and these two clowns are the best there is? McCain and B.O. are the same except for the far socialist leanings and radical associations of B.O. I can just see it now: Jessie Jackson, Secretary of HUD. Louis Farrakan, Secretary of State. Patsy Schroder, Secretary of Defense. What about Supreme Court nominations? What kind of RADICAL judges will B.O. appoint?

You are not electing a man, you are electing an administration. With whom does B.O. associate? Reverend Wright? Bill Ayres? ACORN? Do you really think a bunch of Socialists and Radicals in charge of things can make your life better?

P.S. Thank you Andy, for pointing that out. ;) It's refreshing to see that there is someone who is concerned about proper grammar. I will do my best to refrain from such careless errors in the future. :olleyes:
:sarcasm1:
:just-kidding:

Darin Jordan
10-14-2008, 08:43 PM
B.O. has stated he is for income redistribution.

Have to credit this one to my wife (She came up with this today... at least in our household): BO STINKS!! :banroll:

Ctonez
10-15-2008, 04:20 PM
I guess the gloves are off now. Please state any platform that any candidate has stated with conviction? A bystander

Douggie

You won't get impartial responses in this thread I'm guessing.
Here's a well laid-out site...I think it's pretty impartial:

http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

Ctonez
10-16-2008, 10:51 AM
wow...didn't mean to kill the thread.:confused2:

RCprince
10-16-2008, 12:35 PM
I'm an engineer. I come from NJ. So I guess I'm from one of the most impoverished nations on the planet?

I design things. Many times built right here in the USA (and for years, in my own shop). I guess that's nothing?

Like my mother said, "If I told you once, I told you a million times: STOP EXAGGERATING!" :tt2:

People who use words like "all", "everything", "nothing", "always" and "never" are often approaching a problem emotionally rather than a logically. Rarely will emotional 'solutions' solve the real issue. Doubt it? Ask a marriage counselor.

This is why a certain politician not worth wasting one letter for his name (other than to note O is similarly shaped to 0) is using these sorts of words, and why his emotional appeal is to women, toward non-thinking masses, toward non-thinking conspiracists, and is based on undefined "change." Change what? Why, "everything" of course! An elitist appealling to the masses! Give me a break, don't waste your time voting for that loser!...

Andy

I may have used a blanked statement there, my error, but it wasn't a
hyperbole. As for O and is similarity to 0, I guess M in McCain is not for his delusional self title Maverick, but more so for Mascot of B.U.S.H(Bankrupt United States Happening)...lol, I even don't know why, because I doesn't really matter, who wins, win...I could careless, honestly Obama or McCain, people must learn to save themselves. I this is the part where I give Ron Paul kudos....Ron Paul-Jesse Ventura ticket with Elliot Spitzer as AG.:sarcasm1: wait I may have something there:confused2: 19 more days an drinks are on Steve.:olleyes:

Dr. Jet
10-26-2008, 09:07 AM
Some time ago, I posted a link that described how Francis Scott Key came to write "The Star-Spangled Banner" that described how brave men an women would rather die than surrender their liberty to an oppressive government. If you want, I'll dig it up and post it again.

Here is a frightening news article from an author employed by the (very Left-leaning) Washington Post. Put on your seatbelts people, this is the first time I've heard B.O. state his true feelings and plans.

The following is a narrative taken from the Sunday Morning televised 'Meet The Press'.

From ' Meet the Press': Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag. Obama Explains his National Anthem Stance

Sun, 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, General Bill Ginn USAF (Ret.) asked Obama to explain why he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.


The General also stated to the Senator that according to the United States Code,
Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171... During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. At the very least, 'Stand and Face It'

Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, 'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides, Obama said 'There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it. 'We should consider to reinvent our National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we as a Nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice. My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons. Together, she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has her views and I have mine'. Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put aside my hatred. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path of hope. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it right. This could possibly be our next President. I, for one, am speechless.

Dale Lindsborg,
Washington Post

AndyKunz
10-26-2008, 09:21 AM
Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put aside my hatred.

Sounds just a wee bit presumptuous, no?

"God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."James 4:6

I don't know about you, but I try real hard not to find myself resisted by God!

Thanks for sharing that!

Andy

Dr. Jet
10-26-2008, 09:25 AM
OK, here's the National Anthem link:

http://gallery.offshoreelectrics.com/displayimage.php?album=46&pos=0

Listen to this description of the historical importance of National Anthem (with the bombs bursting in air and all); listen to B.O. saying it is to parochial and bellicose; then tell me he should be in charge of this country.

I am just sick that this country is full of ignorant buffons that gobble up the propaganda that is being spoon-fed by the media.

AndyKunz
10-26-2008, 09:34 AM
Bad link, Jet. You need to pull it up and paste from your browser line. This one has the ellipsis in the link.

Andy

Avanti
10-26-2008, 09:35 AM
NO government will ever take my guns, while I'm alive to fight.

If you want my guns, be prepared to receive the lead bits first.

:usa::usa::usa::usa::usa::usa:

Dr. Jet
10-26-2008, 09:45 AM
Bad link, Jet. You need to pull it up and paste from your browser line. This one has the ellipsis in the link.

Andy

Andy,

I fixed the link in my thread above. The audio file is in my gallery.

Avanti
10-26-2008, 04:47 PM
this is a great video everyone should watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2_21-CJy9I

Darin Jordan
10-26-2008, 08:21 PM
this is a great video everyone should watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2_21-CJy9I

That's a great video! Thanks... I passed that one on...

Spot Me 2
10-27-2008, 12:30 AM
this is a great video everyone should watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2_21-CJy9I

Great video!!! I don't think they teach that in history class anymore. I was taught that the US is a republic, but many thing are not what they used to be!

Spot Me 2
10-27-2008, 12:35 AM
NO government will ever take my guns, while I'm alive to fight.

If you want my guns, be prepared to receive the lead bits first.

:usa::usa::usa::usa::usa::usa:

That is why our fore fathers put that right in the constitution. To keep Gov at bay. I beleive that many feel the same way, and would die to protect that right. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to try and "disarm" america. That is a right that will not go silently in the night!!!!!!!!!!!

Bill-SOCAL
10-27-2008, 01:03 AM
Actually we are a representative Republic. Which means we elect people whom we entrust with the business of government.

Probably more here than most want to take the time to read, but this is a pretty good article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

This is pretty good too:

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761554383/Republic_(government).html

Avanti
10-27-2008, 01:27 AM
Actually we are a representative Republic. Which means we elect people whom we entrust with the business of government.

Probably more here than most want to take the time to read, but this is a pretty good article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

This is pretty good too:

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761554383/Republic_(government).html

oh my god, did you seriously post a wikipedia link. nobody takes those serious, you are not even aloud to use that site for college papers.

Bill-SOCAL
10-27-2008, 03:47 AM
oh my god, did you seriously post a wikipedia link. nobody takes those serious, you are not even aloud to use that site for college papers.

Not to be too catty here, but the college you attend, do they per chance teach spelling and grammar?

It is "allowed" not "aloud" . They sound alike, especially when you say them aloud. Which is allowed, except in the library.

Also, it is very amusing to be called out for posting a Wikipedia link by someone who posted a link to that bastion of intellectual honesty, YouTube.

Avanti
10-27-2008, 07:55 AM
Not to be too catty here, but the college you attend, do they per chance teach spelling and grammar?

It is "allowed" not "aloud" . They sound alike, especially when you say them aloud. Which is allowed, except in the library.

Also, it is very amusing to be called out for posting a Wikipedia link by someone who posted a link to that bastion of intellectual honesty, YouTube.

I'm sure all your posts are perfect, I noticed you had to edit this one, is that because you made a mistake. I was not attacking you, I was commenting on wiki.

Why are liberals all such babies, there that was an attack on you :thumbsdown:

Chill out Bill it's the internet, we are all free to have and voice our own opinions.:beerchug:

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 11:33 AM
Redistribution of Weath...

Well, at least he doesn't hide it... Those voting for this guy... at least they know EXACTLY what they are getting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Spot Me 2
10-27-2008, 12:11 PM
Redistribution of Weath...

Well, at least he doesn't hide it... Those voting for this guy... at least they know EXACTLY what they are getting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Yep, hes the greatest!!!!!!:ThumbsDown01:
Not that sounds like the change we need!!!!!:sarcasm1:

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 12:18 PM
And... the pattern of instituting "State Run Media" continues:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/26/politics/horserace/entry4546323.shtml

Heaven forbid anyone ask them real questions... But by all means, suggest that Trig is actually Bristol's... or use government computers to go after Joe the Plumber... Make examples of them so NO one else will dare stand up... Anyone see the movie "The Net"??? Is that what's coming next?

Hell... all Biden had to do was say "NO", and give some details as to how their philosophies differed from the Socialist and Marxist philosophies being asked about...

Trouble is... they can't do it because they don't differ...

How many "red flags" do people need to get these connections?? :doh:

Is this REALLY what we want this country to become?? :glare:

I'm all for getting some attention on the Economy and finding real solutions, but how much are you willing to give up to do that??? And IS that what an Obama administration will actually focus on??? The Red Flags point to evidence to the contrary...

ghostofpf1
10-27-2008, 12:29 PM
Why are liberals all such babies, there that was an attack on you :thumbsdown:



Babies....??I got yer baby right here :roflol:

Seriously...you claim liberals are such babies but it's the far right contingent here that continuously post falsehoods and inuendos in an attempt at slander and distraction in the form of forwarded emails and outright false propaganda .I've yet to see an original thought come from any one of you ....:rofl:
Desperate means for desperate people I guess :olleyes:

Ghost

Bill-SOCAL
10-27-2008, 12:42 PM
I'm sure all your posts are perfect, I noticed you had to edit this one, is that because you made a mistake.

Nope, actually I wrote a much longer post with some things I thought better of immediately after hit post. So I went back and "redacted" my own post to keep it fairly nice.

And internet or not I fail to see why that relieves us of trying to use proper English and spelling. Especially when the topic of your post is to point out a perceived intellectual failing of another post.

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 12:54 PM
I just cringe when I hear/read/see everything in B.O.’s past; his statements, his associations, his record. What amazes me is how blatant the media is in their support of this guy, and how the rabid consumers of this propaganda can not see how they are being manipulated.

Do you REALLY want Socialism? DO you really want the kind of anti-American, anti-white, anti-personal responsibility, anti-business, change this guy proposes?

Mind you, I don’t think much of McCain either, but at least he has some respect for this country, its history, and the principles that made this the greatest country on this planet (something with which admittedly B.O. disagrees: while attending flag-burning rallies with his radical buddies, and his America-hating racist wife).

All you liberals out there: Government is not the solution, it is the problem.

B.O. wants to give you a whole lot more government, which in my book means a lot more problems.

We live in a land of the ignorant, and they are going to elect the reincarnation of Karl Marx. Ignorant is not an insult or derogatory term, it just means that they don't know what they don't know. If you only get your news from television or newspapers, there's a lot that you don't know. There are a LOT of gullible folks out there that ONLY get TV and print news.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, I think B.O. may in fact be the Anti-Christ. A bunch of followers groveling at the feet of the man that carries the "Mark of the Beast". Get ready for the Rapture folks, it will be in December of 2012, near the end of B.O.'s first term (and after the November 2012 Presidential Election cycle).

My cynicism gives way to acceptance of defeat. Welcome to the United Socialist States Amerika, the newest third-world country on the planet, where our National Anthem is "I'd like to Teach the World to Sing" and our flag is a pretty rainbow with flowers, on a background of the star and crescent. We all work for the State and the State provides our every need.

We're screwed. Armageddon here we come.

Flying Scotsman
10-27-2008, 01:00 PM
Remember lads, take politics and religion out of the equation, it is remarkeable how we get on together, enjoying our sport.
Edit
P.S. I think both candidates are very weak and US citizens have a dillema in who they choose to run the only superpower

Douggie

Bill-SOCAL
10-27-2008, 01:06 PM
The idea that Obama will attempt to convert the United States to a socialist state is perhaps the best evidence of the success of propaganda. And the defense that is offered by those who have swallowed this absurdity is that the other side are the Kool-Aid drinkers. This is a classic Rovian device. Accuse others of doing or being exactly what your are.

An Dr. Jet, I know for a fact that you are an intelligent person and it saddens me to see how deeply you have bought into this stupidity. Obama the "Anti Christ"??

And finally, the remark about the Star and Crescent simply shows how baseless your opinions are here. Regardless of how many times it has been proven that Obama is not and never has been a practicing Muslim, this thread of dishonesty is held out for the GOP faithful to cling to.

Here is sad evidence of the success of this type of campaign of misinformation:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/26/many-kentucky-voters-misinformed-about-obamas-faith/

But pay special attention to this quote and who said it:


Colin Powell on Meet the Press last Sunday: "Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no. That's not America. Is there something wrong with a seven-year-old Muslim American kid believing he or she could be president? Yet I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion that [Obama] is a Muslim and might have an association with terrorists. This is not the way we should be doing it in America."

Steven Vaccaro
10-27-2008, 01:09 PM
Remember lads, take politics and religion out of the equation, it is remarkeable how we get on together, enjoying our sport

Douggie


Whats most important to me is that we have been able to keep a civil debate. Imagine this type of debate going on in other parts of the world? In some places they would find us then cane us or worse! :crying:

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 01:11 PM
...but it's the far right contingent here that continuously post falsehoods and inuendos in an attempt at slander and distraction in the form of forwarded emails and outright false propaganda .

I find it difficult, at best, to understand how direct quotes, actual audio, and clear as a bell video of these statements being made BY the candidate himself can be considered anything but factual... He SAID it to Joe the Plumber, and then we hear him supporting it again way back in 2001... Didn't he review Bill Ayer's book in between then and now as well??? :olleyes:




I've yet to see an original thought come from any one of you ....:rofl:
Desperate means for desperate people I guess :olleyes:

Ghost

Interesting... All the text I've written here concerning the school systems and such...

If you think you haven't heard any "original thought" come from some of us, then I think it's more a matter of you not wanting to hear it...

By the way... All you have to go on from the Obama campaign is many, many months of taking them at their word... There isn't a track record of him doing ANYTHING he's saying he's going to do as far as helping the "majority" of us out here... His rhetoric doesn't match his past actions at all... NOTHING you can say about that side is anything beyond what they have told you in the media or on the campaign trail, and is, therefore, by definition, NOT an original thought... It's just regurgitating what they are telling you to regurgitate...

ghostofpf1
10-27-2008, 01:11 PM
Remember lads, take politics and religion out of the equation, it is remarkeable how we get on together, enjoying our sport

Douggie

I for one enjoy the banter ....anyone getting their panties in a bunch shouldn't be posting in political or religious threads IMHO.
I would be sorely disappointed in our rabidly right leaning friends here if they held a grudge and didn't acknowledge for instance a favorable comment on one of their boats just because our politics collide.
Heck one of my best friends is a flaming right wing warmonger republican and he knows I'm a peace loving fiscally conservative democrat but we still fly and boat together most weekends and even talk about socio/political topics without (outwardly) wanting to strangle each other :roflol:
Ghost

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 01:16 PM
The idea that Obama will attempt to convert the United States to a socialist state is perhaps the best evidence of the success of propaganda.

Bill,

I don't know how you can deny it when there is such a track record of him using these very ideas over and over and over again, to direct policy even... It's not like we are making this stuff up... There is a LOT of media worthy evidence to prove the points...

I think the supression of this information is the real success of propaganda... Let's get serious.... the MAJORITY of the media has been Pro-Obama this entire campaign, or at least since Hillary was beaten...

The reason that ABC, NBC, CNN, etc., don't feature these stories isn't because they don't have merrit... it's because they don't fit their agenda.

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 01:18 PM
Heck one of my best friends is a flaming right wing warmonger republican and he knows I'm a peace loving...


I'm no expert, and not to get to deep into personal choices here, but I'm pretty sure the majority of the "flamers" were on the left... :bounce: :flame42:

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 01:18 PM
"Meet the Press", Sun, 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, "It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we as a Nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice."

Bill,

How do you negotiate with a group that has the following position? "If you are not one of us, you are an Infidel. Death to the Infidels."

Maybe only death to half the infidels in exchange for peace?

Who is B.O. kidding? You don't negeotiate with fanatical Islamists, you KILL them before they kill you (and if you give them the opportunity, they will).

Flying Scotsman
10-27-2008, 01:27 PM
I for one enjoy the banter ....anyone getting their panties in a bunch shouldn't be posting in political or religious threads IMHO.
I would be sorely disappointed in our rabidly right leaning friends here if they held a grudge and didn't acknowledge for instance a favorable comment on one of their boats just because our politics collide.
Heck one of my best friends is a flaming right wing warmonger republican and he knows I'm a peace loving fiscally conservative democrat but we still fly and boat together most weekends and even talk about socio/political topics without (outwardly) wanting to strangle each other :roflol:
Ghost

Well said and yes I love the banter.
Edit
As long, as it does not get personal

Douggie

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 01:30 PM
I for one enjoy the banter ....anyone getting their panties in a bunch shouldn't be posting in political or religious threads IMHO.
Ghost


Civil political banter is fun....as long as each party admits his prejudices in the beginning and doesn't resort to baseless name-calling (a common Left-Wing tactic - calling someone a racist homophobe if they don't agree with the party line). I'm a (proud) Right-Wing extremist, SoCal Bill is a Left-Winger. Rush, Hannity, Savage, Roberts and such all admit to being Right. Hollywood admits to being Left. The problem is CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, the NY Times, the NY Post, the LA Times, the San Diego Union-Tribune, and so on ad. infinitum, claim to be "neutral", but they are heavily invested in the Left, yet they will not admit it publically.

I can still be friends with the Lefties, I harbor no animosity about your individual political views (I am tolerant of diversity, unlike so many on the Left). I may feel pity for those on the Left, but I can still call SoCal Bill a friend.

ghostofpf1
10-27-2008, 01:37 PM
I'm no expert, and not to get to deep into personal choices here, but I'm pretty sure the majority of the "flamers" were on the left... :bounce: :flame42:

*cough* Larry Craig *cough* :lol:
Ghost

Flying Scotsman
10-27-2008, 01:40 PM
Civil political banter is fun....as long as each party admits his prejudices in the beginning and doesn't resort to baseless name-calling (a common Left-Wing tactic - calling someone a racist homophobe if they don't agree with the party line). I'm a (proud) Right-Wing extremist, SoCal Bill is a Left-Winger. Rush, Hannity, Savage, Roberts and such all admit to being Right. Hollywood admits to being Left. The problem is CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, the NY Times, the NY Post, the LA Times, the San Diego Union-Tribune, and so on ad. infinitum, claim to be "neutral", but they are heavily invested in the Left, yet they will not admit it publically.

I can still be friends with the Lefties, I harbor no animosity about your individual political views (I am tolerant of diversity, unlike so many on the Left). I may feel pity for those on the Left, but I can still call SoCal Bill a friend.

Dr. This is one of the problems papers are now owned by about 3 paper and other media sources moguls. The editors lean to the way of their masters....Citizen Kane

Douggie

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 01:43 PM
*cough* Larry Craig *cough* :lol:
Ghost

That's true... but then, I DID say "majority"... I think there may have also been Mark Foley... based on his text messages, anyhow...

Maybe it's just that the ones on the left are "out"... and proud to be... ;)

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 01:45 PM
*cough* Larry Craig *cough* :lol:
Ghost

Larry Craig makes a "Majority"? And "proof" of his proclivities have never been fully ascertained.

Hollywierd is probably 75% "flamers" by now, San Franpsycho is no doubt more than that, and don't forget our Fanny/Freddy financial meltdown accomplice, Barney "I didn't know there was gay prostitution going on in my house" Frank.

And you pull one "possible" out of your hat? Come on Ghost, you can do better than that. ;)

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 01:50 PM
Dr. This is one of the problems papers are now owned by about 3 paper and other media sources moguls. The editors lean to the way of their masters....Citizen Kane

Douggie


Douggie,

The only saving grace to this situation is that newspaper subscriptions are going in the toilet. Mainly for two reasons; The Internet, and savvy people don't want to read the garbage they print.

The other problem is the same 3 media moguls control TV, and viewership there is not on the decline. As I said somewhere else, there are ignorant people everywhere that eat this stuff up.


Mmmmmm... Yum!! Fresh hot propaganda on my TV screen. Less filling; Tastes great.

We're screwed!

ghostofpf1
10-27-2008, 03:26 PM
Larry Craig makes a "Majority"? And "proof" of his proclivities have never been fully ascertained.

Hollywierd is probably 75% "flamers" by now, San Franpsycho is no doubt more than that, and don't forget our Fanny/Freddy financial meltdown accomplice, Barney "I didn't know there was gay prostitution going on in my house" Frank.

And you pull one "possible" out of your hat? Come on Ghost, you can do better than that. ;)

I live 12 miles from "San Franpsycho" :lol: and the last City I worked for had their fair share of people living "Alternate lifestyles" .From what I could discern those living "Alternate lifestyles" were just about equally divided between republican and democrat ..liberal and conservative.... despite what others would have you believe.
Ghost
Empirical data trumps theory every time :smile:

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 03:39 PM
I live 12 miles from "San Franpsycho" :lol: and the last City I worked for had their fair share of people living "Alternate lifestyles" .From what I could discern...


Empirical data trumps theory every time :smile:

With all due respect, Mr. Ghost... that hardly qualifies as "Empirical Data"...



I just tried to do some actual research on the matter... but from work, it's a little hard to do searches on the subject without getting into trouble... ;)


It's hard to imagine, however, that an openly Gay or Lesbian person would strongly support a party that, in general, doesn't approve of their choices and would generally work to restrict those choices... I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it so I could be wrong...

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 03:50 PM
Talk about trying to supress VOTES! I guess all of us conservatives in support of our GOP candidates can just stay home now:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/27/obama-wins-newspaper-declares/


I wonder which direction THAT paper is leaning??? :olleyes: :olleyes: :olleyes:

Of course... it only prints 10,000 copies, and is printed bi-monthly... so what can you do!?? :olleyes:

RCprince
10-27-2008, 03:56 PM
lol...Regardless what is posted...Obama will take it, even if they(Repubs) try to pull a GW Florida and Ohio...The momentum to strong...and yes politics and religion will expose the uglies of humanity, it never fails...Americans lacked the courage to elect Ron Paul...Because under him most of the establishment would have crumbled... ALL forms of governments have, Socialism, Communism, Fascism , capitalism, et'al in them...they all maintain a particular balance...it's when one gets out of control is where the problem start.

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 03:58 PM
Ghost,

I'm certain there are a lot of "alternative lifestyle" folks in the Elephant Party. I welcome them into our group. Just as there are a lot of "Jews for Jesus" (I call those people Christians though.....;) ); but as Darin said, they are probably the minority in the party just because the party line does not parallel their lives.

I suppose it is the same reason you don't see a lot of gun-toting Bible-Thumpers and the "Law-and-Order" crowd (NOT the TV program) in the Donkey Party.

In the end, I don't really care that much about your personal life choice, as long as you "get your mind Right" and get your hand out of my pocket.

Bill-SOCAL
10-27-2008, 04:04 PM
I thought we were talking about the incorrect labeling of Obama as a Muslim (read terrorist) or the "Anti-Christ"??

Powell's point was that it is at the most basic level anti-American to attempt to slander a person by calling them a Muslim. Those trying to do it demonstrate both their ignorance of the facts and their inability to understand the very Constitution they say they hold so dear. Obama is NOT a Muslim and even if he were one it is simply ignorant to think that it is disqualifying.

And I guess you have overlooked that GWB has indeed negotiated with radicals, how do you think the "Anbar Awakening" happened?? But I suppose you are one of the "Tough Guys Don't Talk" crowd. Go in with guns blazing and let God sort them out. But that does not seem to have worked very well, has it??

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 04:26 PM
I thought we were talking about the incorrect labeling of Obama as a Muslim (read terrorist) or the "Anti-Christ"??

There you go putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I speak of his deference to "our Middle-Eastern Brethern" (see above quote from "Meet the Press"), and his eagerness to disarm the military to a level that makes them happy. I did not say he IS a Muslim (even though he was registered as such in a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia, and his father and step father are Muslim). I honestly do think he is the Anti-Christ with all this feverent support he is receiving when he has no real accomplishments to his name.

Other than the fact he is not George Bush, what has he done to generate all this support? Hang out with radical anti-American individuals and groups? Burn flags? Admit his hatred of this country?

Mind you, I believe McCain is the Manchurian Candidate (with all that entails), I'll grant you that. B.O. is just far worse in my eyes.

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 04:34 PM
Powell's point was that it is at the most basic level anti-American to attempt to slander a person by calling them a Muslim. Those trying to do it demonstrate both their ignorance of the facts and their inability to understand the very Constitution they say they hold so dear.

Powell is a political hack, and he is doing what he thinks will advance his position.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, that goes without saying; but, the VAST majority of terrorists are [fanatical] Muslim (or Muslim funded/trained/backed).

Flying Scotsman
10-27-2008, 04:42 PM
From a bystander. The US is a great nation.. no colonial asparations...politics??
All great leaders are judged by their past. I can not think of a great leader in the last 50 years. You have a descion to make. We await with trepeditiaon.

The World

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 04:45 PM
And... after all... BO did just say the following at a recent campaign stump... I think it was in Virginia:

"I believe we can win here in Virginia... that's the good news... I feel like we have a rightious wind at our backs here..."... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hVErxA9Ux4


Good News References (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_news_(Christianity))


Maybe it doesn't mean anything... maybe it does... But combined with all the other things he's said and done, one has to question the motives...

Joe Biden tried to calm us all by saying, during the debate with Palin, that he was told early on to "not question their motives"... when working with others in government... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x859uGeYHUs) What the heck does THAT mean??

Sorry Joe... the motives are pretty important, and based on the information available and the long, long string of relationships and speaches and interviews and two books and on and on... I think the intentions of this candidate are in question.

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 04:52 PM
Powell is a political hack, and he is doing what he thinks will advance his position.

I had a lot of respect for Powell until recently... I was even hoping he'd run for president one day...

But... He has forgotten that it was REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS that put him into EVERY position of greatness that he's had during his journey... He apparently took what he needed, then moved onto the next thing that will suit his agenda... Or that's how it appears, anyhow...

I HONESTLY hope that I'm proven wrong about all this in the near future... I'll come on here and everywhere else and admit to my failure to read the situation correctly...

Why do I have a feeling I won't have to be doing that anytime soon?? :unsure:

Flying Scotsman
10-27-2008, 05:11 PM
Darin, Cowell Powell is the man..a true shooter..but he was let down by the CIA and other republicans. That is the man who should be running. A real shame and the Bush crownies have only themselves to blame. From a conservative point of view he is a very honest individuall and does not have the support of the party. a real shame.

Douggie

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 05:14 PM
Darin, Cowell Powell is the man..a true shooter..but he was let down by the CIA and other republicans. That is the man who should be running. A real shame and the Bush crownies have only themselves to blame. From a conservative point of view he is a very honest individuall and does not have the support of the party. a real shame.

Douggie

I believed that was true... but I question it now. I think the fact that he would do a big "STICK-IT" to the GOP like this raises questions about what he is saying now.

Perhaps he's right, and he clearly sees BO for what he is and the rest of us are wrong...

One can only pray...

Flying Scotsman
10-27-2008, 05:27 PM
No prayers. The US electorate will decide right or wrong. These two adversaries are vey weak.

Too much money and no platforms!!

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 05:27 PM
I suppose just another dillusional right-wing attempt to make an association that doesn't exist??? :glare:

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZDFkMGE2MmM1M2Q5MmY0ZmExMzUxMWRhZGJmMTAyOGY

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 05:29 PM
No prayers. The US electorate will decide right or wrong. These two adversaries are vey weak.

Too much money and no platforms!!


Oh... I don't know about weak... I'm thinking if Palin had her way... she'd shove 'ol Yosemite Sam off to the side and take over this ship... She's ready for a fight and she can likely bring it...

The Left can try to cut her down all they want... it's obvious she is a threat to them, and I think for good reason... You notice they aren't spending a lot of time attacking her for her VIEWS... but rather her clothes, how she looks, how she speaks, etc...

Watch out... :thumbup1:

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 05:33 PM
No prayers. The US electorate will decide right or wrong. These two adversaries are vey weak.

Too much money and no platforms!!

Sadly, that is all too true. I would add one caveat though. Yes, they are both weak, left-leaning and dangerous for this country. One would better serve our national security and not try to please our adversaries.

Flying Scotsman
10-27-2008, 05:41 PM
Honestly Darin, would like Parin to have her hand on the switch.

Douggie

Bill-SOCAL
10-27-2008, 05:45 PM
Bill, I am so tired of this silliness. NEVER has Obama done anything to indicate that he will try to "please" our enemies. He simply feels that there is nothing to be lost in talking with them. But the right continues to obfuscate this point by attempting the false equivalence of talking as being a manifestation of weakness.

And as I pointed out earlier, even the current tough guy administration has made considerable progress by talking. Again, I point to the Anbar Awakening and the North Korean nuclear programs.

But the right just keep hammering away at the idea that anything less than all out military confrontation is a sign of weakness. As has been said, there is no reason to have peace talks with your allies and friends. But this "nuke 'em all" mentality is not one that will work, especially since our enemies are no longer based as a single nation but rather are loose groups that cross national borders.

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 05:51 PM
Bill, I am so tired of this silliness. NEVER has Obama done anything to indicate that he will try to "please" our enemies. He simply feels that there is nothing to be lost in talking with them. But the right continues to obfuscate this point by attempting the false equivalence of talking as being a manifestation of weakness.

And as I pointed out earlier, even the current tough guy administration has made considerable progress by talking. Again, I point to the Anbar Awakening and the North Korean nuclear programs.

But the right just keep hammering away at the idea that anything less than all out military confrontation is a sign of weakness. As has been said, there is no reason to have peace talks with your allies and friends. But this "nuke 'em all" mentality is not one that will work, especially since our enemies are no longer based as a single nation but rather are loose groups that cross national borders.

Again I point you to his statements on "Meet the Press". And again I ask you, how do you negeotiate with someone when their position is: "You are an Infidel, and by definition, Infidels are lower than dogs and monkeys, and must be converted or killed"?

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 05:52 PM
I suppose just another dillusional right-wing attempt to make an association that doesn't exist??? :glare:

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZDFkMGE2MmM1M2Q5MmY0ZmExMzUxMWRhZGJmMTAyOGY


If the American Electorate had all the information on the candidates, they would probably make a wise choice. Obviously they don't, therefore, they won't.

The media, for whatever reason, has made its choice whom to annoint as leader of the most powerful country on the planet, and they will continue to pummel the mind-numbed robots that are their viewers, with the information THEY deem "newsworthy" and will continue to withhold the information THEY deem "unimportant".

Propaganda is as much what you DON'T say as compared to what you DO say.

Get your spoons out boys and girls, there more coming out of your screens tonight at 6:00 and 11:00.

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 05:55 PM
Most of you are not old enough to remember that nearly every family in America was grossly affected by WWII. Most of you do not remember the rationing of meat, shoes, gasoline, and sugar. No tires for our automobiles and a speed limit of 35 miles an hour on the road. Not to mention, no new automobiles. Read this and think about how we would react to being taken over by foreigners in 2007.

This is an EXCELLENT essay by Raymond S. Kraft. Well thought out and presented.


Historical Significance

Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat. The Nazis had sunk more than 400 British ships in their convoys between England and America taking food and war materials.

At that time, the US was in an isolationist, pacifist mood, and most Americans wanted nothing to do with the European or the Asian war.

Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, who had not yet attacked us. It was a dicey thing. We had few allies.

France was not an ally, as the Vichy government of France quickly aligned itself with its German occupiers. Germany was certainly not an ally, as Hitler was intent on setting up a Thousand Year Reich in Europe. Japan was not an ally, as it was well on its way to owning and controlling all of Asia.

Together, Japan and Germany had long-range plans of invading Canada and Mexico, as launching pads to get into the United States over our northern and southern borders, after they finished gaining control of Asia and Europe.

America's only allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia, and Russia. That was about it. All of Europe, from Norway to Italy (except Russia in the East) was already under the Nazi heel.

The US was certainly not prepared for war. The US had drastically downgraded most of its military forces after WW I because of the depression, so that at the outbreak of WW II, Army units were training with broomsticks because they didn't have guns, and cars with "tank" painted on the doors because they didn't have real tanks. A huge chunk of our Navy had just been sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor.

Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600 million in gold bullion in the Bank of England (that was actually the property of Belgium) given by Belgium to England to carry on the war when Belgium was overrun by Hitler (a little known fact).

Actually, Belgium surrendered on one day, because it was unable to oppose the German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next day just to prove they could.

Britain had already been holding out for two years in the face of staggering losses and the near decimation of its Royal Air Force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later. Hitler first turned his attention to Russia, in the late summer of 1940 at a time when England was on the verge of collapse.

Ironically, Russia saved America 's butt by putting up a desperate fight for two years, until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.

Russia lost something like 24,000,000 people in the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow alone . . . 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiers.

Had Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire war effort against the Brits, then America If that had happened; the Nazis could possibly have won the war.

All of this has been brought out to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things. Now, we find ourselves at another one of those key moments in history.

There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants, and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world.

The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs -- they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the world . To them, all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews. This is their mantra. (goal)

There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East -- for the most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation, but it is not yet known which side will win -- the Inquisitors, or the Reformationists.

If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US, European, and Asian economies.

The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC -- not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis. Do you want gas in your car? Do you want heating oil next winter? Do you want the dollar to be worth anything? You had better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.

If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, live in peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away. A moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge

we have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda and the Islamic terrorist movements . We have to do it somewhere. We cannot do it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle at a time and place of our choosing . . . . . . . . In Iraq. Not in New York, not in London, or Paris or Berlin, but in Iraq, where we are doing two important things.

(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in the 9/11 terrorist attack or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades Saddam is a terrorist! Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, responsible for the deaths of probably more than a 1,000,000 Iraqis and 2,000,000 Iranians.

(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, and a flash point; with Islamic terrorism in Iraq, We have focused the battle. We are killing bad people, and the ones we get there we will not have to get here. We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed.

WW II, the war with the Japanese and German Nazis, really began with a "whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with the Japanese invasion of China. It was a war for fourteen years before the US joined it. It officially ended in 1945 -- a 17 year war -- and was followed by another decade of US occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own a gain . . . a 27 year war.

WW II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full year's GDP -- adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars. WW II cost America more than 400,000 soldiers killed in action and nearly 100,000 still missing in action.

The Iraq war has, so far, cost the United States about $160,000,000,000, which is roughly what the 9/11 terrorist attack cost New York It has also cost about 3,000 American lives, which is roughly the same as the 3,000 lives that the Jihad killed (within the United States) in the 9/11 terrorist attack.

The cost of not fighting and winning WW II would have been unimaginably greater -- a world dominated by Japanese Imperialism and German Nazism.

This is not a 60-Minutes TV show, or a 2-hour movie in which everything comes out okay. The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly it always has been, and probably always will be.

The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away if we ignore it.

If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we have an ally, like England, in the Middle East, a platform, from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East. The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates to conquer the world.

The Iraq War is merely another battle in this ancient and never ending war. Now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons. Unless some body prevents them from getting them.

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 05:57 PM
This was too long to put in one post. This is a continuation of the above post:


We have four options:

1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran's progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is).

3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East now; in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America.

OR

4. We can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and Germany and possibly most of the rest of Europe. It will, of course, be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier.

If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.

The history of the world is the history of civilization clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.

Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.

Remember, perspective is every thing, and America’s schools teach too little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young American mind.

The Cold War lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. Forty-two years.

Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany!

World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation and the US still have troops in Germany and Japan. World War II resulted in the death of more than 50,000,000 people, maybe more than 100,000,000 people, depending on which estimates you accept.

The US has taken more than 2,000 killed in action in Iraq The US took more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944, the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism.

In WW II, the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week -- for four years. Most of the individual battles of WW II lost more Americans than the entire Iraq war has done so far.

The stakes are at least as high . . . A world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms. . Or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law).

It's difficult to understand why the average American does not grasp this They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but evidently not for Iraqis.

"Peace Activists" always seem to demonstrate here in America, where it is safe.

Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea, in the places that really need peace activism the most? I will tell you! They would be killed!

The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc, but if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc.

Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy.

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Raymond S. Kraft is a writer living in Northern California that has studied the Middle Eastern culture and religion. You can find more writings by Raymond Craft here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Raymond+S.+Kraft+&btnG=Google+Search

Flying Scotsman
10-27-2008, 06:39 PM
all very interesting points of view, but no clarity.

Douggie

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 06:41 PM
Honestly Darin, would like Parin to have her hand on the switch.

Douggie

We have to be real here... Palin has as much, maybe more to lose than any of the other candidates were there to be a need to throw the "switch"... I'm perfectly comfortable at this point with her having that power...

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 06:53 PM
I'll say it again... WHAT are this guys intentions? For those of you who didn't bother to listen to the words that BO used in 2001, here are some highlights in regards to the Warren Court and the Civil Rights movements successes and failures: (again, for those of you so inclined: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3DrrwtqPt0 )



Where it (the Warren Court) succeeded was to avest formal rights in previously dispossed peoples....

Where it (The Warren Court) failed... the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth...

Warren court was not all that radical... It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers on the Constitution.



Keep this in mind.... the Supreme Court positions are all NON-ELECTECD positions.... The heart of the Constitution is that we ELECT our officials who make law and represent us...

Here, BO is clearly showing his belief and also his intention that the Supreme Court should act a lot more broadly in our government...

Also... when we discuss BO's "Patriotism" or suggest that he is "Anti-American" in any way... re-read the words in red above... The Constitution is the HEART of this country... the charter under which we all agree to live... and yet, here he is clearly and consisely saying that it is the JOB of the Supreme Court to "break free" from it's "contraints"...

I thought the job of the Supreme Courts was to UPHOLD the contraints??

This, combined with EVERYTHING else we KNOW about this man and his past, is very troubling to me.

McCain isn't a perfect candidate by any means, but he's American and WILL uphold this countries foundation. As they say, NO one will stand up and fight for this country like someone who HAS stood up to fight for this country.

I'd say, he has a hell of a lot more invested that BO does...

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 07:02 PM
all very interesting points of view, but no clarity.

Douggie

It was something that I thought was applicable to Bill's thinking I have a "nuke-em all" attitude. You can't nuke-em all for the exact reason Bill states. They have no country, no political boundaries; rather it is an idea with followers. Very dangerous followers.

So after you nuke most of the offending areas, you have to go in an kill the remaining fanatics one at a time with artillery and small arms fire.

:olleyes:

Bill-SOCAL
10-27-2008, 07:11 PM
Warren court was not all that radical... It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers on the constitution.

You have misread (or heard) what he said. He was stating what the Warren court did and that they did not go beyond what the Founding Fathers wanted done by a Supreme Court. You guys have twisted this into he wants a radical court which will ignore the Constitution.

And as far as spreading the wealth, I guess this was OK:


Just last month, in an interview with Philip Gourevitch of the New Yorker, Palin explained the windfall profits tax that she imposed on the oil industry in Alaska as a mechanism for ensuring that Alaskans “share in the wealth” generated by oil companies:

And Alaska—we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs. … It’s to maximize benefits for Alaskans, not an individual company, not some multinational somewhere, but for Alaskans.

In fact, Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share (ACES) program, which manages the redistribution of oil wealth in Alaska, brings in so much money that the state needs no income or sales tax. In addition, this year ACES will provide every Alaskan with a check for an estimated $3,200.

As Hendrick Hertzberg notes, “Perhaps there is some meaningful distinction between spreading the wealth and sharing it…but finding it would require the analytic skills of Karl the Marxist.”

And I absolutely defy any of you to tell me that had Obama uttered the exact same phrase that you would not be pounding home the "He's a Socialist" point.

She "shares" the wealth. He "spreads" it. She states very clearly that the resources are owned "collectively". All the buzzwords are there, all that is different is who is saying them, and that is what matters more right now to the right.

Obama is proposing the same thing. Tax big companies more, spread that wealth to the rest of us.

Bill-SOCAL
10-27-2008, 07:15 PM
So after you nuke most of the offending areas, you have to go in an kill the remaining fanatics one at a time with artillery and small arms fire.

:olleyes:

And this strategy is really working well in both Iraq and Afghanistan isn't it??

What we in the West fail to recognize is that through their eyes we look the same to them as they look to us through our eyes. They feel we want to kill them all, much as Bill has said, and they feel they are protecting their way of life. But since we "know" that our God is on our side against them and their God, then we must be right. :doh:

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 07:25 PM
You have misread (or heard) what he said. He was stating what the Warren court did and that they did not go beyond what the Founding Fathers wanted done by a Supreme Court. You guys have twisted this into he wants a radical court which will ignore the Constitution.


NO I did not... you listen to that entire thing in context and it's entirely clear what he is talking about... He prefaced that part with "Where it failed"... Where the WARREN COURT FAILED... No twisting necessary...




She "shares" the wealth. He "spreads" it. She states very clearly that the resources are owned "collectively".

Bill... there is a HECK of a big difference between sharing resources, and taking from one man's/woman's hard work to give to another who may or may not be working as hard... My hard work, inginuity, talent, etc... is NOT a "resource" for the government to distribute...

That is, quite frankly, and rediculous comparison you are making there... PUT it all together, man... They've taken from you and me to disperse as they see fit... What has that gotten us?? A mortage crises... state owned banking system... soon to be state-owned car manufactures... Are any of us better off with this HUGE, BLOATED government, some of the HIGHEST business taxes in the World, etc...???

Bill-SOCAL
10-27-2008, 07:45 PM
Bill... there is a HECK of a big difference between sharing resources, and taking from one man's/woman's hard work to give to another who may or may not be working as hard... My hard work, inginuity, talent, etc... is NOT a "resource" for the government to distribute...


You are right about one thing, the right has taken from me and you and given it to the rich. Now Obama wants to reverse that and somehow you are against it?? Once again I marvel at the ability of the right to get the very people who are harmed by their policies to defend them.

Darin, do you make over $250K in taxable income per year? If not then you will NOT see your taxes go up. If you make more than $250K but less than $6.3 MILLION then your taxes will go up, and the more you make the more they will go up. IF you make more than $6.3 million, they will go way up. So why is it that you are such an ardent defender of the rich??

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 08:00 PM
And this strategy is really working well in both Iraq and Afghanistan isn't it??

Yeah, because we didn't do the first part: Nuke most of the offending area first, THEN go in with artillery and small arms. Do that a couple of times and no one on the planet would give us any crap! And if they did........:flashfire::flame42::flame42:
:just-kidding:(but only a little) ;)


What we in the West fail to recognize is that through their eyes we look the same to them as they look to us through our eyes. They feel we want to kill them all, much as Bill has said, and they feel they are protecting their way of life. But since we "know" that our God is on our side against them and their God, then we must be right. :doh:

No Bill, we do not look the same to them. That's the problem with many on the Left. They think people are all the same inside. They're not. These people are evil. Will you try to tell me evil does not exist?

These people send their children to madrasas (sp.?) at an early age where all they learn is the Koran and hatred of all non-believers, and especially Jews and the West. When you were reading Dick and Jane see Spot run, they were learning that Jews make bread from ground-up Arabs bones, and that killing a Jew is an honorable thing to do. They know nothing other than hate of everything Jewish and Western. Bill, they hate you. They hate you with a passion. They always have, and thay always will. And a whole bunch of them would love the opportunity to kill you. They feel the same about me.

Their God mandates to them that they convert us or kill us. There is no tolerance. Their religion teaches them that Jews and Infidels are lower than dogs, pigs, and monkeys (which they hold lower than most other animals). Killing a Jew or Infidel is no more offense than killing a dog. Their religion teaches them that they get 72 virgins in heaven if they kill a bunch of civillians on a bus or in a nightclub.

There is a diffenence between us. If the USA flew airplanes full of innocent people into commercial buildings full of innocent people, would our population dance in the streets, pass out candy to children and fire AK-47s into the air?

Bill, they (the FANATICAL Muslims) have made this a fight to the death. You can not negotiate with their position. Convert or die are not choices I would like to make. What do you offer in negeotiation? We'll be nice to you, and you only kill half of us? No Bill, in this fight there will be a winner and a loser. Which team would you prefer to be on?

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 08:06 PM
You are right about one thing, the right has taken from me and you and given it to the rich. Now Obama wants to reverse that and somehow you are against it?? Once again I marvel at the ability of the right to get the very people who are harmed by their policies to defend them.

Darin, do you make over $250K in taxable income per year? If not then you will NOT see your taxes go up. If you make more than $250K but less than $6.3 MILLION then your taxes will go up, and the more you make the more they will go up. IF you make more than $6.3 million, they will go way up. So why is it that you are such an ardent defender of the rich??

Bill,

First... I want to take back the word rediculous I used previously... and replace it with "weak"... it was a "weak" comparision... I appologize for that language...

Second... You are buying into all that they are telling you... Under Clinton, my taxes went up... Under Carter... everyeones taxes went up... Under Bush... my taxes are lower... Under Reagan, taxes were lower... even though BO keeps stating that his plan would lower them below Reagans (the facts don't support this)

In fact... According to a show I heard on NPR this weekend... The tax structure has become MORE and MORE PROGRESSIVE each time a new REPUBLICAN administration has taken office, and the "rich", as you are referring to them, have actually shouldered MORE of the burden than they already are...

The top 1% of income earners in the US already pay about 25% of the taxes/income for the Government... the top 5% pay over 50% of that income, or something like that...

And lets not forget that MANY of these "rich" are the small and medium businesses out there that MAKE OUR ECONOMY WORK... You raise taxes on them and businesses go elsewhere...

Ireland is a good example of what happens when you LOWER corporate taxes..... I've read that businesses are moving there and opening shop, creating Jobs and helping the economy...

Finally... Obama, based on what you are suggesting, wants to take from the "rich", and give it to the poor... He wants to RAISE taxes... whether it be on all of us (which it WILL be, based on past history... Clinton, etc.) or on those higher income folks...

McCain wants to lower EVERYONE's TAXES... And there is a track record to show that this is what will happen...

You can't HAVE rich people to tax if you don't have businesses that are making them that way... THAT is what I'm fighting to protect... I'm fighting to keep Boeing from moving everything overseas due to the pain in the A$$ it is here in Washington due to the Democrats wanting to tax the crap out of them... I'm fighting to BRING businesses in, not push them away...

I will benefit by having job and career options in a flurishing economy, as will many others...

THAT is what I'm fighting for...

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 08:07 PM
Yeah, sock it to those rich guys, make them pay their FAIR share.

Dr. Jet
10-27-2008, 08:09 PM
Maybe the USA will be the first country in the history of the planet to tax itself into prosperity.
:sarcasm1:

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 08:11 PM
Yeah, sock it to those rich guys, make them pay their FAIR share.

EXACTLY! That is what I was trying to say above... It's ALREADY very unfair to the top wage-earners...

"Tax Credit" check anyone??? :sarcasm1:

obrien
10-27-2008, 10:20 PM
not to mention the 250k figure is household income not individual.
It still amazes me that people refuse to see how this man really is. Whats even more amazing is that any white person would vote for him after knowing about his church and their racist views, oh wait, he condemned those views after attending that church for what.. 20 years.

ghostofpf1
10-27-2008, 11:24 PM
Whats even more amazing is that any white person would vote for him after knowing about his church and their racist views, oh wait, he condemned those views after attending that church for what.. 20 years.

Some of you people simply astound me. :doh:

He stated he resigned his church after that idjit minister said some things that he felt went against his own personal beliefs.
Here...do some reading http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html.
Bet you can't bring yourself to believe a single word :lol:
Ghost

Darin Jordan
10-27-2008, 11:33 PM
Some of you people simply astound me. :doh:

He stated he resigned his church after that idjit minister said some things that he felt went against his own personal beliefs.

GIVE ME A BREAK! He ONLY did it after it became a liability to his current campaign... Just like the Ayers deal, etc... One by one, he "denounces" his past associations as they get discovered... Real honest and upfront guy... 20-years in the church and ALL of the sudden Wright says something he doesn't have the stomach for... Nice try... No soup for you...

And you are the SAME PEOPLE who are getting on Palin's case for once speaking at an Alaskan "separatists" convention??? Man the media has you guys hook, line, and sinker... Guess with 80%+ of the media pulling for BO, that shouldn't be suprising...

Anyone come up with his real birth and medical records yet??? OH... that's right... they've miraculously appeared... :olleyes:

ghostofpf1
10-27-2008, 11:47 PM
Anyone come up with his real birth and medical records yet??? OH... that's right... they've miraculously appeared... :olleyes:
You didn't even read any of the University of Pennsylvania fact checking page did you ??

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

D'oh..:doh:
Before you regale us with claims of them being a "Liberal Bastion of Lies" check out their home page...they don't show favorites.:thumbup1:
Ghost :lol:

Darin Jordan
10-28-2008, 01:34 AM
...they don't show favorites.:thumbup1:
Ghost :lol:

So they say... :olleyes:

What could be more conveniant than a one-stop source for all your "facts"... :doh:

I've read their page in my search for information, but I'll stick to doing my own research, thanks... They are nothing more than one more piece of information to consider...

Dr. Jet
10-28-2008, 08:09 AM
So why won't B.O. release his college records? Is it because he was registered as a foriegn student?

Ctonez
10-28-2008, 10:36 AM
So they say... :olleyes:

They are nothing more than one more piece of information to consider...

As are all sources of information, including snopes, which BTW claims the article Dr. Jet pasted about saluting the flag is a fake.:tiphat:

Darin Jordan
10-28-2008, 10:51 AM
As are all sources of information, including snopes, which BTW claims the article Dr. Jet pasted about saluting the flag is a fake.:tiphat:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-salute.htm

We could do this all day! :beerchug: ;)

Steven Vaccaro
10-28-2008, 11:00 AM
I can't wait for the big day. Lets get this over with. lol

Obama is amazing to me. No matter his actions, what he says, or who he associates with, nothing sticks to him. He's almost magical. I can see lots of people believing in his idea's, but I think the other half of the people that are voting for him are almost in some kind of trance! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Ctonez
10-28-2008, 11:14 AM
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-salute.htm

We could do this all day! :beerchug: ;)

no doubt. but I thankfully don't have the time so I'll just dip my toe in and not fully immerse myself in this particular discussion. I haven't even read the crap between the "salute-the-flag" post and this one yet. That's a lot of typing Jet - or copy/paste, either way...lots of text.
As I've said before, I really would rather not know my fellow boaters' party affiliations, as it has no bearing on my boat driving and that is what our friendship is based upon, not politics...again - thankfully.
Unfortunately, this thread accomplishes nothing but to get some people rattled IMO. I'd be truly interested to hear from anyone who's mind has been changed by anything written in this thread.
Hopefully it means everyone is checking facts from their own trusted sources and most importantly gets out there to vote next week. I can't believe it's only one more week!:eek:

Darin Jordan
10-28-2008, 11:14 AM
... but I think the other half of the people that are voting for him are almost in some kind of trance! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Well... he is the second coming, after all... the "one"...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/mccain-ad-mocks-obama-as-the-one/

http://gothamist.com/2007/12/09/oprah_calls_oba.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073003208.html

Spot Me 2
10-28-2008, 11:19 AM
It easy to see how the antichrist will come to power, isn't it. I'm not saying that BO is the antichrist, just saying people will blindly follow what others do. Kinda like "SHEOPLE"

Darin Jordan
10-28-2008, 11:20 AM
I'd be truly interested to hear from anyone who's mind has been changed by anything written in this thread.

I think you'd be suprised... Once people get both sides of the story, which hasn't really happened in popular media, they can suddenly start thinking for themselves...

I don't expect any of this to affect my boat racing or who I "pal around" with... But then, I'm on the Right, and it's been shown in studies that the most accepting people in our society tend to be on the Right... :thumbup1: Which is actually VERY IRONIC!! :confused2:

Spot Me 2
10-28-2008, 11:24 AM
and it's been shown in studies that the most accepting people in our society tend to be on the Right... :thumbup1: Which is actually VERY IRONIC!! :confused2:

No really. Most peolpe on the right, my self included, are somewhat to very religious. God commands us to love one another. You know the old "hate the sin, not the sinner!"

Darin Jordan
10-28-2008, 11:30 AM
It easy to see how the antichrist will come to power, isn't it. I'm not saying that BO is the antichrist, just saying people will blindly follow what other do. Kinda like "SHEOPLE"

Clearly...

Interestingly enough... this is very similiar to how Stallin, Mucelini, Mao Tse Tung, and yes, even Hitler, came to power...

All was fine and dandy except for that little "ethnic cleansing" thing... :sarcasm1:

The papers here (New York Post?? or Times, etc.)... HAILED Mucelini initially... He was wonderful... Funny how perspectives can change...

What is it they say??? 'In hard times, people will follow Jesus or Hitler'... or something to that effect...

Dr. Jet
10-28-2008, 11:38 AM
Unfortunately, this thread accomplishes nothing but to get some people rattled IMO. I'd be truly interested to hear from anyone who's mind has been changed by anything written in this thread.

Actually, this has been a rather civil discussion of opposing points of view. No, no one will change anybody's mind, but it has allowed those on both sides to express their views.

Ctonez
10-28-2008, 12:19 PM
Actually, this has been a rather civil discussion of opposing points of view. No, no one will change anybody's mind, but it has allowed those on both sides to express their views.

I agree. The majority of this thread is a good, spirited conversation. Lot's of information and good things to think about. I don't see the Dems adding as much content as the Reps though, I wonder why that is?

Seriously, if your mind has been changed by this thread, you are the one I want to hear some input from. I'm just curious, and believe most 2-party political discussions yield zero results. At least that is my experience when debating the inlaws:tiphat:.

Dr. Jet
10-28-2008, 12:33 PM
I agree. The majority of this thread is a good, spirited conversation. Lot's of information and good things to think about. I don't see the Dems adding as much content as the Reps though, I wonder why that is?

My OPINION on this is that the Left (I prefer to use Left and Right as opposed to Repubs and Dems for this type of discussion) frequently employs symbolism over substance when making political arguments. Sentences begin with "I feel that..." as opposed to "I know that...." Vague discussions of "fairness" ensue based on how someone "feels" about a particular position. Equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity is the goal.

To the Left, there are no basic core values; almost anything is OK. Fred wants to marry Bob? No problem, as long as it feels good. To the Right, there are well-defined values, often based on religious or constitutional fundamentals. Fred can't marry Bob. Period. End of discussion. It's in the Bible.

Darin Jordan
10-28-2008, 12:35 PM
Just more info to mull over for the discussion:

"Barack Obama shrugs off charges of socialism, but noted in his own memoir that he carefully chose Marxist professors as friends in college. "


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/


For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here are the first few lines:



But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.

Obama's affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles.

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

ghostofpf1
10-28-2008, 12:46 PM
I'm just going to answer the last few Team Jet and Jordan posts with smilies so I don't offend anyones delicate sensibilities..


:ThumbsDown01: :lol: :olleyes:
Ghost

Dr. Jet
10-28-2008, 12:55 PM
....Team Jet and Jordan....


Hey Darin! I got top billing in our new team!!! :banana:

Ghost, don't worry about our sensibilities, they're not that delicate.....

Darin Jordan
10-28-2008, 01:21 PM
I'm just going to answer the last few Team Jet and Jordan posts with smilies so I don't offend anyones delicate sensibilities..


:ThumbsDown01: :lol: :olleyes:
Ghost

Damn, Doc... I'm only second again!!!


Mr. Ghost... You really can't offend me... I've already accepted that on the Left... "turning a blind eye" is a montra... It's just what you do over there...

I just can't help going back to what Biden himself said recently...

"If it walks like a duck, and Quacks like a duck..."

Apparently only applies one direction... :doh:

I hope someday I can understand how people can just simply brush asside SO MUCH information as being "insignificant"... Especially when it cuts to the heart of this country and what it was founded on.

You know... we CAME from Europe because we DIDN'T like what was going on there and DIDN'T want to be like that... Now there is a movement to return to those ways???

Do you REALLY believe, after hearing ALL of the evidence, much of which is from BO himself, that he'll defend the Constitution, after saying way back in 2001 that it's fundamentally flawed??

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:29 PM
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d60/Shanniny/Nobama.jpg

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:30 PM
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r116/chriseaton281/NOBAMA.jpg

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:32 PM
http://angela-stevens.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/nobama-thumb.jpg

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:34 PM
http://www.appletreeblog.com/wp-content/2008/02/obama-shouting-flag.jpg

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:35 PM
http://americanmadness.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/nobama1.jpg

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:40 PM
http://home.att.net/~alanmania65/ObamaHeadUpAsslLogo.jpg
Just how damn stupid can Obama be? This moron admits on Sunday he is a Muslim and then today attempts to slam Governor Sarah Palin by saying "You can put lipstick on a pig" "but it is still a pig". This is a direct attempted slam at Sarah Palin does the dumb ass NObama know he is running against John McCain? He seems to think it is OK to degrade women and go after them well this is not Hillary Clinton and he is going to pay in the polls for this very stupid comment.


Rob

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://home.att.net/~alanmania65/ObamaHeadUpAsslLogo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://rob7t7.blogspot.com/2008/09/just-how-stupid-can-nobama-get-nobama.html&h=300&w=300&sz=62&hl=en&start=53&sig2=3FjTfzAUOo92wGBbMjcg1Q&um=1&usg=__TBpncEprHd9jpEkdZAXvJANfweE=&tbnid=cxd29g8Fbxxk-M:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&ei=LFsHSamVBYeGvQXc2MmpBA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnobama%26start%3D36%26ndsp%3D18%26um% 3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3D N

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:41 PM
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/twgreetings/myspacegreets/nobama25.gif

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:45 PM
this is funny so I will give one to the dems
http://www.4pinkelephants.com/image038.jpg

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:46 PM
http://www.mattbors.com/strips/357.gif

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:49 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2175/2702882152_308b15e5f1.jpg?v=0

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:52 PM
http://www.grokdotcom.com/wp-content/uploads/jeff/koolaid1.JPG

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:54 PM
http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a917/a917_thumb.gif

Avanti
10-28-2008, 02:58 PM
http://www.sheehaw.tv/RevWright%5B1%5D.jpg

Flying Scotsman
10-28-2008, 04:15 PM
John, I have not seen the passion that this debate brings up in a long time, but seriously will someone tell me what these candidates stand for on foreign policy and how to clear up the financial mess, domestic policy is important too but you guys are the only superpower. In a sentence or less... not Change or MY Friends rubbish...just the facts.

Douggie

ghostofpf1
10-28-2008, 05:10 PM
I see enough anti McCain images without having to resort clogging the board up with them.They were called the debates and any televised McCain campaign stop...:thumbup:

Ghost :bounce:

Avanti
10-28-2008, 05:16 PM
yeah, I was bored sorry :shrug:

our country radio stations here are polluted with BO's McCain't adds, they run just about every 2-3 songs.

Honestly, I'm sick of it all.

RCprince
10-28-2008, 11:17 PM
Avanti, you need to get out more bruh....

Spot Me 2
10-29-2008, 12:53 AM
That sure killed this thread. Talk at you in the morning boys!

Spot Me 2
10-29-2008, 01:15 AM
I lied. Just a thought before I go to sleep.

ObamaRx – The Wrong Prescription for America (ObaMARX)

Joe Biden pointed out to us on 10/21 that his mother told him we are judged by the company we keep.

Obama’s mentor from age 10-18 in Hawaii was Frank Marshall Davis – a Marxist/Communist (and also a pot smoking sex pervert). Obama cites this relationship in his book along with his guidance as Obama departs to college.

Obama explains in his book how he was drawn to Marxist professors in college.

Obama aligns himself with a pastor who founded a church embracing the Marxist based Black Liberation Theology and stays there for 20 years calling the pastor his mentor.

Obama establishes alliances in Chicago with Ayers, who in 2002 refers to himself as a dedicated Marxist/Anarchist. (This is about who Ayers IS and was during his alliances with Obama and not who he was back in the 60s/70s as Obama would like it to be)

In October 2008 Obama slips up and lets his true philosophy out – spreading the wealth around.

As Joe Biden said in the same stump speech where he referred to his mother’s sage advice about the company you keep: “If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck …..”

Marxism – the wrong prescription for America. ObamaRx – the wrong prescription.

Bill-SOCAL
10-29-2008, 01:31 AM
I am curious, assuming Obama wins, where does that leave you guys? You have spent months whipping yourselves into a frenzy and if he is elected, then as many of you feel, the Anti-Christ - Marxist - Socialist - Communist - Muslim - Terrorist - Black Guy will be leading this country.

So what do you do then?

Will it be "My Country right or wrong"?

Or will it be - "America, love it or leave it" ?

Interestingly enough, no matter how much disdain I have for George Bush, his policies, lies, and deception, I have never doubted that he has done what he feels is the best thing for this country. I think he will be remembered as the worst President to date, but I have never wondered if he was the Anti-Christ.

Seriously, do you guys actually ever read what you are writing??

Dr. Jet
10-29-2008, 08:06 AM
I am curious, assuming Obama wins, where does that leave you guys? You have spent months whipping yourselves into a frenzy and if he is elected, then as many of you feel, the Anti-Christ - Marxist - Socialist - Communist - Muslim - Terrorist - Black Guy will be leading this country.

So what do you do then?

Will it be "My Country right or wrong"?

Or will it be - "America, love it or leave it" ?

Interestingly enough, no matter how much disdain I have for George Bush, his policies, lies, and deception, I have never doubted that he has done what he feels is the best thing for this country. I think he will be remembered as the worst President to date, but I have never wondered if he was the Anti-Christ.

Seriously, do you guys actually ever read what you are writing??

Yes I do read what I'm writing. We're screwed. We should re-visit this discussion January 1, 2013. If the rapture hasn't already happened.

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 08:12 AM
So what do you do then?

I know what we will be doing...

A lot of praying... along with a good hunkering down and bracing ourselves for the next 4-years until we have a chance to fix this mess YOU guys have voted us into...

And maybe giving out a few "I TOLD YOU SOsss"... :doh:


Seriously, do you guys actually ever read what you are writing??

Sure... and we read what many others write, and hear what they say, and read and hear what HE ("The One"... :olleyes: ) has said, but that the Left just brushes aside as if THEY are the only ones intelligent enough to interpret all this data... :olleyes:

You on the Left... Like it or not (apparently you do), but your about to vote for a Socialist, who has written 'I Chose My Friends Carefully... The Marxist Professors and Structural Feminists' (http://nalert.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-i-chose-friends-carefully-marxist.html), he's supported Socialist/Marxist officials (http://nalert.blogspot.com/2008/02/obamas-socialist-relationships.html), He's been heard on audio interviews as saying the Constitution is flawed and that the Judicial system should "break free" from the Constitutional Constaints (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck), He has CAMPAIGNED promoting these beliefs and agendas...

And on, and on, and on...

Right or wrong, you are simply in denial at this point if you argue that he is NOT a "Socialist", or at the least, the most LIBERAL, LEFT-WING, INEXPERIENCED candidate EVER to seriously have a shot at the Presidency of the United States. Not to mention a PARTY that is almost entirely responsible for the "Mortgage Crisis" because of their overreaching housing policies and playing "affirmative action" with our banking industies...

My candidate, Mr. John McCain, is more of a Moderate and would bring the office much closer back to the middle, which is where it needs to be to function properely. He's not perfect, but I'll take that over a "radical" who desires to reinterpret the Constitution so as to support his "redistributive" agenda...

Spot Me 2
10-29-2008, 09:26 AM
[QUOTE=Bill-SOCAL;60269]
Interestingly enough, no matter how much disdain I have for George Bush, his policies, lies, and deception, I have never doubted that he has done what he feels is the best thing for this country. QUOTE]

See, thats just it. I think we feel, or at least I do, that will not be the case. I beleave he hates america just like his wife does. They have said many things for me to come to this. As bad as you feel bush has been, I don't think anyone will say he has a hatred for america.
As for me if he gets elected. I will pray and also Stock up my "defense system."

Avanti
10-29-2008, 09:42 AM
yeah I'm gonna go out today to buy more ammo, for the up coming riots

Spot Me 2
10-29-2008, 09:58 AM
I just picked up a new berreta PX4 storm .45. I also ordered 4 18rnd clips for it. This will be my new carry gun. We have the right to carry here in Indiana. At least for now.

RCprince
10-29-2008, 10:38 AM
The USS Right Winger is disembarking 6am sharp November 5th, 2008. and I know the exodus will be of Titanic proportions... no pun intended... lol Fear, a crippling psychosis of the uninformed.

RCprince
10-29-2008, 10:48 AM
He's not perfect, but I'll take that over a "radical" who desires to reinterpret the Constitution so as to support his "redistributive" agenda...

That sounds alot like your boy GW there, and MCcain did say, he's a 90% supporter of Mr. (GW) Constitution is just a piece of paper.


GW: “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 11:10 AM
Fear, a crippling psychosis of the uninformed.

"Uniformed"??? Give me a break... How about "Not ignoring the Obvious"...

I don't feel crippled in the least. I'm fully informed, and also NOT ignoring information that is relavent...

And I'm not in "Fear"... I'm concerned and don't like the direction the Democrats have and want to take this country.

RCprince
10-29-2008, 11:24 AM
We'll, Mr.Jordan... I'd go anywhere, besides where this country was for the last 8 years, Nancy Pelosi is the only thing the democrats need to get rid of.



Part of the New American Century( Neo Con) doctrine

"“Beware of the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry, [who] infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How will I know? For this I have done. And I am Julius Caesar.”


“War is when the government tells you who the bad guy is. Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.”

“Education is dangerous - Every educated person is a future enemy”

Avanti
10-29-2008, 11:51 AM
We will have a revolution if bobo takes the White house

RCprince
10-29-2008, 11:59 AM
If one didn't happen within the last 8 years... put a fork in it... it's done...George Carlin said " all Americans want now is cellphones that make pancakes" along with Myspace, facebook, Xbox, Nintendo, Dance with the stars, American idol, et'al. Revolution is in it's right place in this Nation, relegated to the history books.


Hypothetical question? if a revolution was to occur, who would be the enemy... people who look like you, people who don't look like you, people who are in the same social economical class as you, those who are not? Men against women, Black against whites, Catholic against Protestants, Muslims against Jews? Whom or what, would be the object of your revolt? Democrats against Republicans, Americans against Mexicans?:confused2: Fear, a crippling psychosis of the uninformed.

Avanti
10-29-2008, 12:19 PM
Hypothetical question? if a revolution was to occur, who would be the enemy... people who look like you, people who don't look like you, people who are in the same social economical class as you, those who are not? Men against women, Black against whites, Catholic against Protestants, Muslims against Jews? Whom or what, would be the object of your revolt? Democrats against Republicans, Americans against Mexicans?:confused2: Fear, a crippling psychosis of the uninformed.

You're a bit off base, but I'll bite.
Revolutions are the People against the government. I'm sure some leftist would join the governments side.

My bullets don't see color or religion, they just see a threat to my freedoms and/or life.

I could careless that bobo is a half black muslim, I just have a problem with him (in my opinion) not respecting our country and flag.

Get the bo out with
http://mentalfloss.cachefly.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/right-guard.jpg

ghostofpf1
10-29-2008, 12:26 PM
:rofl: This thread..all the fear mongering...just gets funnier by the day....Obama the anti-christ :lol: Keep it up you rabidly right comedians.I need the comic relief after suffering all these years of war and a failed economy:thumbup:
Ghost :popcorn2:

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 12:26 PM
... Nancy Pelosi is the only thing the democrats need to get rid of.

REALLY! So you'll keep around Barney Frank?? Sam Reed?? Dodd??? REALLY!?? REALLY!!???


Sorry... but that's just sad...

RCprince
10-29-2008, 12:34 PM
You're a bit off base, but I'll bite.
My bullets don't see color or religion, they just see a threat to my freedoms and/or life.



Well you missed your opportunity... The ship has already sailed... You've allowed your Captain to ship wreck you and bailed out with the loot and life rafts.

Avanti
10-29-2008, 12:35 PM
I fear no man, not even the green ones.

When they start making man bullet proof I'll start to worry.

If you think this is funny wait and see what happen if bobo wins.

The economy has not hit bottom yet, but it will.

When you loose your job will it still be funny?

I'm my own boss so no worries here.

You are the only person you can count on to feed your family.

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 12:36 PM
"You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream -- the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism." (R.R.)


Make your choice...

Not fear... Fact... proven by the history of human existance.

Only in America can a group of individuals propose to do exactly the OPPOSITE of what this nation needs to do to succeed, and, at the same time, garner SO much support from the people. Well... maybe not ONLY in America... It's happened before.... in Russia... In Germany... in China...

RCprince
10-29-2008, 12:38 PM
"You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream -- the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism." (R.R.)


Make your choice...

Not fear... Fact... proven by the history of human existance.

Only in America can a group of individuals propose to do exactly the OPPOSITE of what this nation needs to do to succeed, and, at the same time, garner SO much support from the people. Well... maybe not ONLY in America... It's happened before.... in Russia... In Germany... in China...

The Past 8 years....

Avanti
10-29-2008, 12:38 PM
Well you missed your opportunity... The ship has already sailed... You've allowed your Captain to ship wreck you and bailed out with the loot and life rafts.

People cry about Bush and it has nothing to do with the pres. he is just the figurehead of your dem. controlled government. The power lies in congress

RCprince
10-29-2008, 12:39 PM
"You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream -- the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism." (R.R.)


Make your choice...

Not fear... Fact... proven by the history of human existance.

Only in America can a group of individuals propose to do exactly the OPPOSITE of what this nation needs to do to succeed, and, at the same time, garner SO much support from the people. Well... maybe not ONLY in America... It's happened before.... in Russia... In Germany... in China...

The Past 8 years.... oops let me correct myself, from 1980 to 1992 and from 2000 to 2008

Avanti
10-29-2008, 12:40 PM
The Past 8 years.... oops let me correct myself, from 1980 to 1992 and from 2000 to 2008

tard:doh:

RCprince
10-29-2008, 12:40 PM
People cry about Bush and it has nothing to do with the pres. he is just the figurehead of your dem. controlled government. The power lies in congress

I'm neither dem nor rep....

ghostofpf1
10-29-2008, 12:41 PM
So far,despite his best efforts bush has failed to completely destroy the country in his term (although he's done a helluva lot of damage) and you guys wail and gnash your teeth that Obama will lead us to total destruction in 4 years.:bounce:
You guys are either trolling or deluded.:lol:

Ghost :tiphat:

Avanti
10-29-2008, 12:41 PM
I'm neither dem nor rep....

you're just a bobo jockey

Avanti
10-29-2008, 12:43 PM
btw this thread is epic

Avanti
10-29-2008, 12:44 PM
oh well I have to get back to work, we'll argue more later this is fun

ghostofpf1
10-29-2008, 12:48 PM
tard:doh:

You're just made your skinhead brethren failed their little "black killing spree topped off with a kamikaze attempt on Obama"
Of all the "tards" in this world skinhead white supremacists top the heap of the "jobless idjit with no teeth" pile .I was approached no too long ago to attend a klan meeting here in NorCal.
The guy that approached me got an earful about how I think they are the lowest form of life..jobless..toothless..blaming all their own shortcomings on another entire race instead of manning up and taking care of their own....alky crankster..losers....etc...
The look on his face was frikken priceless :banana:

Ghost

Doug Smock
10-29-2008, 01:13 PM
http://dirtyharrysplace.com/?p=4913

Enjoy,
Doug :popcorn2:

Spot Me 2
10-29-2008, 01:49 PM
The Past 8 years.... oops let me correct myself, from 1980 to 1992 and from 2000 to 2008

I guess Reagen ending the cold war and tearing down the Belin wall wasn't good for the world.

So Clinton being the only president to ever be impeached was good in your eyes??? Cheating on your wife is a good thing??? Teaching every kid in the U.S. that oral sex is ok because the pres did it and he was the greatest thing ever. I guess having no morals is just a sign of the times, but not in my house!!!!!!!!!!!

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 01:50 PM
And let's not forget that Clinton himself recently said on ABC that one of the failures of the Democrats was that they failed to listen to the warnings of the Republicans concerning the risks associated with Fannie and Freddie, after HIS administration further opened up the housing acts started by Johnson, with HUD, and expanded by Carter... which were also reigned in some by Reagan... Only to be busted wide open by Clinton...

This goes WAY beyond simply 'morals'... it has to do with philosophies and policies that harm the US economy... or have we all forgotten that we were in a downturn for the last 2-years of Clinton's administration, and the first 3 or 4-years were riding the coat-tails of Reagan's policies...

rockwerks
10-29-2008, 01:52 PM
You all have to remember that the president is only 1/3rd of the equation. Also every thing proposed by our pres has been approved by a democrat controlled congress...........All the money for the war, etc.

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 02:07 PM
You all have to remember that the president is only 1/3rd of the equation. Also every thing proposed by our pres has been approved by a democrat controlled congress...........All the money for the war, etc.

AND... If the Democrats win the Whitehouse... Likey two, and possibly THREE of the Supreme Court Justices will be replaced in the next 4-years... Making what BO said in that 2001 recording even more concerning...

That would make the Presidency, the Senate, the House, and the Judiciary, all under one big Liberal unbrella...

The "Perfect Storm"...

Bill-SOCAL
10-29-2008, 02:19 PM
You all have to remember that the president is only 1/3rd of the equation. Also every thing proposed by our pres has been approved by a democrat controlled congress...........All the money for the war, etc.

First, the GOP had a filibuster proof majority for the first 6.5 years of the Bush Presidency. The Democrats have held a slim majority for the last 1.5 years. In the Senate it is 49-49-1-1 with Lieberman being mostly GOP leaning and Bernie Sanders leaning toward the Democratic side. In the house the Dems do not have a large enough majority to prevent the GOP filibuster from stopping anything they choose to stop.

So it is amusing to see how the GOP STILL tries to blame the Dems, since they "control" Congress.

In many respects the GOP is Socialist, they will keep the benefits and spread the blame, but never actually share in it.

And Reagan was mentioned, people do recall that it was Reagan who started one of the most Socialist programs that we have, the Earned Income Credit. The EIC is DESIGNED to "spread the wealth" and Reagan got it done.

And as this election nears its end I still wonder what the media coverage would have been if:

Obama was part of the Keating 5
Michelle Obama belonged to a seccesionist group
Biden was found to have used his position unethically
The DNC spent $150K on clothes for Biden
Obama divorced his wife to marry a younger rich hottie after wifey #1 got fat
Obama was next to last in his class at college rather than first
Obama had been the recipient of government paid health care all his life
Obama supporters called McCain a terrorist or yelled out to kill him
Obama had been born in the Canal Zone instead of Hawaii
Obama had selected Sarah Palin for his VP (or a Democrat identical to her)
Obama was 72 years old

I wonder what Sean, and Rush, and Bill-O would say then?? I'm certain that their silence on these things have nothing to do with them being facts about the GOP side of the election versus the Democratic side.

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 02:24 PM
Obama was part of the Keating 5
Michelle Obama belonged to a seccesionist group
Biden was found to have used his position unethically
The DNC spent $150K on clothes for Biden
Obama divorced his wife to marry a younger rich hottie after wifey #1 got fat
Obama was next to last in his class at college rather than first
Obama had been the recipient of government paid health care all his life
Obama supporters called McCain a terrorist or yelled out to kill him
Obama had been born in the Canal Zone instead of Hawaii
Obama had selected Sarah Palin for his VP (or a Democrat identical to her)
Obama was 72 years old

I wonder what Sean, and Rush, and Bill-O would say then?? I'm certain that their silence on these things have nothing to do with them being facts about the GOP side of the election versus the Democratic side.

All of these thing HAVE been addressed by the 80% Liberal biased media majority, all to no avail, because they are all non-starters, blown well out of proportion in a vein attempt to try to balance out the associations and actions of Obama... Nice try...

How much did those Greek Pillars cost, by the way??

Oh, and you can take that wife thing right off the table... You erased the right to bring that up when you all rallied to Clinton's side and had a cigar in his honor... :olleyes:

Put all the faith you want in Obama... you are obvious snowed... errr... I mean "sold" on his viability as a President... But what you are getting is someone who has changed his "plan" again and again and again... His "tax raise" for those over $250,000, errr. now it's $200,000.... Ummmm I mean it's $149,000.... is but one example of a "promise" he has made but has no intention of keeping...

Or have you forgotten how all this started:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/28/campbell.brown.obama/index.html

Spot Me 2
10-29-2008, 02:27 PM
First, the GOP had a filibuster proof majority for the first 6.5 years of the Bush Presidency.
They chose not to use this BS way of getting things done.


The Democrats have held a slim majority for the last 1.5 years. In the Senate it is 49-49-1-1 with Lieberman being mostly GOP leaning

Not true!! We have been over this once before. Do I need to post his voting record again???? He votes over 84% with the dems.

Spot Me 2
10-29-2008, 02:34 PM
$600 million plus?????? Just think of what he could do with that if he followed his own line of thinking. Spread the wealth. Did anyone recieve a check from him yet????

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 02:39 PM
And Reagan was mentioned, people do recall that it was Reagan who started one of the most Socialist programs that we have, the Earned Income Credit. The EIC is DESIGNED to "spread the wealth" and Reagan got it done.

Let's be accurate here... the EIC was started in 1975 by Carter. It was expanded in 1986 by Reagan, then again in 1990, 1993, and 2001.

So if this is already in place... and it's "working" soooo well... How again is BO going to change things???

Apparently, he doesn't like the "distribution" of the "redistribution".....

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 02:44 PM
Pull out of Iraq ?

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago …

Body count in the last six months:

221 killed in Iraq

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago

Chicago....Who Runs it?

Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin

Representative: Jesse Jackson Jr.

Mayor: Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)


Illinois:

Governor: Rod Blogojevich

House leader: Mike Madigan

Attorney General: Lisa Madigan, (daughter of Mike)


Leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago ...

Of course, they're all blaming each other!

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax - 10.25% highest in country.

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from, in Illinois .....

And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us!
Wake Up America !

ghostofpf1
10-29-2008, 02:51 PM
Pull out of Iraq ?

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago …

Body count in the last six months:

221 killed in Iraq

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago




Don't even go there.You belittle the deaths of all those good people by trying to make those types of weak comparisons.
Ghost

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 02:56 PM
Don't even go there.You belittle the deaths of all those good people by trying to make those types of weak comparisons.
Ghost

You are obviously very much missing the point...

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 03:03 PM
Well... More "good news"...

Obama Accepting Untraceable Donations
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/28/AR2008102803413_pf.html)

Wasn't BOs only real claim to having run ANYTHING was running his campaign???

Doing a bang-up job... if he wins...

Bill-SOCAL
10-29-2008, 03:21 PM
And then there is this:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-donorsoct29,0,1269595.story

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 03:40 PM
And then there is this:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-donorsoct29,0,1269595.story


Interesting, but THAT is what we're doing now??? We're comparing a few RNC contributors who are questionable to OBAMA contributors that don't exist?? Big difference... especially when you consider that donations to the RNC are for the Republicans collectively... BO contributions are for HIS campaign directly...

AND... at least there is someone to question and maybe bring a lawsuit against in the RNC case... BOs cases don't even exist... well.... except for the money... :olleyes:

ghostofpf1
10-29-2008, 04:07 PM
You are obviously very much missing the point...

what point is that?? That more people died because of a lost cause M.E. police action in addition to those lost in Chicago ??
You're right..I fail to see the point in making that particular comparison.:doh:
I currently have a Nephew over there.Any chance you have close relatives there now ??Next time you talk with them ask them what they think of your comparison...make sure you tell them "only 221 of you died while 295 Chicago residents did" and see how long they continue talking to you after that.:olleyes:
Ghost

Dr. Jet
10-29-2008, 04:42 PM
I think Darrin's point is that, in comparison, "over there" is not much more dangerous than "over here", and that is something you will not find on the 6:00 news.

If there's good news in Iraq, you won't hear it from the Media here. Only the bad news fits their agenda.

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 04:49 PM
I think Darrin's point is that, in comparison, "over there" is not much more dangerous than "over here", and that is something you will not find on the 6:00 news.

If there's good news in Iraq, you won't hear it from the Media here. Only the bad news fits their agenda.

Indeed...

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05202008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/success_in_iraq__a_media_blackout_111606.htm



Thanks Doc for articulating what I was having a hard time saying myself...

Bill-SOCAL
10-29-2008, 04:59 PM
The absurdity of these death comparisons is that they compare US military deaths to civilian murders in an urban area.

So Chicago has 2.8 million people and roughly 300 were murdered last year.

Iraq has about 140,000 US troops, 220 of whom died in the past year.

So Chicago lost 10 people per 100,000 while the US military lost 157 per 100,000.

And let's forget the numbers, I am sorry, but how can anyone believe that Iraq is safer than Chicago. How many of you wear body armor to go to the market? How many of you travel in heavily armed caravans? How many of you need air support to move about your city?

Honestly, it is beyond idiotic to try to make these types of comparisons. Plus they usually all fail to include the 600,000 to 1,000,000 NON COMBATANT Iraqi people who have died during our little fiasco in Iraq.

And BTW - my younger brother is over there right now. What he has to say about the whole situation does not have much in common with what the armchair warriors over here think is the situation. Cluster f&@k is his favorite term. And he is from Arizona and has voted Republican in every election he has ever voted in, so don't try to label him a liberal.

Final thought, I am weary of those who try so hard to equate being a liberal with being anti American. Such attempts are beneath contempt and in my experience usually come from those that have not actually served in our military themselves. Rush, Sean, Savage, O'Reilly, and on and on. True Chicken Hawks. Happy to send the other guy (or his kids) to die so they can spew their hatred over the airwaves.

Darin Jordan
10-29-2008, 05:09 PM
Rush, Sean, Savage, O'Reilly, and on and on. True Chicken Hawks. Happy to send the other guy (or his kids) to die so they can spew their hatred over the airwaves.


I'll give you Savage, he's kind of a nut-job from what I've heard, or FAR RIGHT in the least, but the rest... give me a break... apparently anyone who reports anything outside of "approved" media channels is "spewing hatred"??? That is just rediculous...

And in case you are forgetting, Palin, McCain, AND Biden all have kids over there fighting... Palin isn't "spewing hatred", and neither is McCain or Biden... They are "spewing" the facts as they have them, and letting the voters decide.

Criminy, there is ONE TV channel and a small handful of talk radio out there actually telling the "other side" of the story, and revealing FACTS that the other channels won't look into (at least not until their ratings start slipping or they are "caught" with their pants down), and to the Left, it's "spewing hatred"...

Nice... THIS is what we have to look forward too... Coming from the same side that believed the "Fairness Doctrine" is "fair"... :olleyes:

AndyKunz
10-29-2008, 05:16 PM
Bill,

One of my good buddies from work is in the Navy reserve. His unit was called up at the start of OIF. He spent the better part of a year on an oil rig defending it against attack. It was attacked several times, but not before sending several attackers to "Paradise." His unit came home minus a few.

He changed units so he could go back. He did, this time doing shoreside security. He saw guys blown up. The biggest problem they had was with ethnic Persians (say "Iranians"). His unit came home, minus a few.

He changed units AGAIN. He is back there right now for his third tour. Mind you, he's no spring chicken - he will face mandatory retirement when he gets back home this time. Again, defending against (for the most part) Iranians.

He goes because it's the right thing to do. The Iraqi people WANT us there - they realize that if we pull out, their own military won't be able to defend them against the Iranians who, surprise surprise, want the oil and port access, and ability to take Kuwait, and to shoot at Israel more easily.

Wake up, dude, not everybody over there went against their will. Some actually enjoy restoring freedom to people. People who, by the way, don't harbor animosity against us but against their "Muslim Brethren." (0's calling them that just shows how ignorant he is of their religion!)

Andy

Avanti
10-29-2008, 05:24 PM
You're just made your skinhead brethren failed their little "black killing spree topped off with a kamikaze attempt on Obama"
Of all the "tards" in this world skinhead white supremacists top the heap of the "jobless idjit with no teeth" pile .I was approached no too long ago to attend a klan meeting here in NorCal.
The guy that approached me got an earful about how I think they are the lowest form of life..jobless..toothless..blaming all their own shortcomings on another entire race instead of manning up and taking care of their own....alky crankster..losers....etc...
The look on his face was frikken priceless :banana:

GhostI'm not German or a Protestant, why must you continue to attack and call me out as a racist?

http://dirtyharrysplace.com/?p=4913

Enjoy,
Doug :popcorn2: That guy is awesome I wish he lived by me, I'd totally hang out with him.

Avanti
10-29-2008, 05:28 PM
Anyone that think the Iraq people all hate us and want us gone should try to catch a repeat of the season opener of little people big world. http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/lpbw/matt-goes-to-iraq.html The family that Matt visited, love the American troops. A lot of those people need us for more than just protection.

obrien
10-29-2008, 11:15 PM
My brother served in Iraq. His response to me when I asked him about Iraq, was that the US military getting rid of Sadam was the best thing that could have ever for those people.

don't worry though, when obama gets into office, if he lives for very long, he will dismantle our military, and we will see another 9/11, but probably worse. Even better is how quickly he and the rest of the dems are going to pull funding for the soldiers in Iraq. that will do nothing but kill even more soldiers.

oh yeah, if you like being able to use your guns, I suggest you stock up on ammo, because it is about to become really expensive.

Darin Jordan
10-30-2008, 04:55 PM
This guy is right on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxlaXySmNrk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2amXLa-iZGw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imQSuJVFUSU

RCprince
10-30-2008, 05:51 PM
:ThumbsDown01: buffoonery

Avanti
10-30-2008, 06:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbW64215HA8&feature=related

RCprince
10-30-2008, 07:11 PM
Emperor Obama, will have you wingers... The Illuminati is on his side, resistance is futile. Change is the only constant... The resources of Africa is the prize with world unification. http://warofillusions.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/notthistimexj2.jpg WINGERS

egneg
10-30-2008, 07:24 PM
Depends on your view point.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a104/egneg/cid_570737EAD68F40A4B54536509558D68.gif

RCprince
10-30-2008, 07:26 PM
Dude George Bush is gonna sue you for copyright infringement.

Spot Me 2
10-30-2008, 08:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnLozS-TnM&NR=1

He then launched his campain 131 days later.:eek::eek:
Man, He must be the smartest guy ever to learn that quickly!:ThumbsDown01:

Darin Jordan
10-30-2008, 08:38 PM
A famous very recent quote:

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
-- Barrack Obama

It's about the only thing he's said in the past year that I feel I can truely believe he'll follow up on...

domwilson
10-30-2008, 08:50 PM
Can't we all just get along?
My opinion is neutral on all this. Don't care much for either.

Darin Jordan
10-31-2008, 02:23 PM
Now the Dems are laying plans in advance to let all you supporters down... Maybe this will help cusion the fall a little... :glare:

Barack Obama's senior advisers have drawn up plans to lower expectations for his presidency if he wins next week's election, amid concerns that many of his euphoric supporters are harboring unrealistic hopes of what he can achieve.

Full Story here: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/31/obama-lays-plans-kill-expectations-election-victory/

Darin Jordan
10-31-2008, 02:39 PM
It just gets better by the minute:


For the second time in a week, a prominent Democrat has downgraded Barack Obama's definition of the middle class --

The latest hiccup in the campaign message came Friday morning on KOA-AM, when New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson pegged the middle class as those making $120,000 and under.

Click here to listen to Richardson talk about Obama's tax plan. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88ebXY2uaI)

"What Obama wants to do is he is basically looking at $120,000 and under among those that are in the middle class, and there is a tax cut for those," Richardson said in the interview, according to a clip posted on YouTube.

FOXNews.com
Friday, 2008-31-305




Full Story: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/31/low-richardson-pegs-middle-class-making/


Are they TRYING to lose this election??? Or are they just SOOOOO Ego-inflated that they think we are so stupid that this kind of stuff isn't going to matter??

Maybe "we" are... :glare: :glare:

Spot Me 2
10-31-2008, 03:28 PM
Nothing from the left the past 2 days:confused1::confused2::ohmy:
Maybe they are starting to see the Light.:cool2:

Darin Jordan
10-31-2008, 03:36 PM
Nothing from the left the past 2 days:confused1::confused2::ohmy:
Maybe they are starting to see the Light.:cool2:


Doubtful... Most I know around here (at work, around my neighborhood, some of my close friends... ) have resolved to just believe what they believe, despite all the red flags in front of them. :glare:

Some have already cast their ballots and there isn't anything they can do about it now anyhow... Maybe they could go try to take the blinders off their buddies who haven't voted... :thumbup1:

rockwerks
10-31-2008, 04:36 PM
Well my wife and I got screwed out of Voting this time around. This will be the first time I have missed a vote since 1978. Since we moved to Washington from Arizona, we applied for absentee ballots online. We received out confirmation and notification that it would be send out.

2 days after the deadline to file for Washington status we found out that they had not been processed and would not be done in time for the election. My wife is a Moderate Dem and Obama scares the crap out of her. She as I would have voted for McCain

ryan_t888
10-31-2008, 04:52 PM
Who's moving to Canada? Haha just kidding, pass the pop corn. :popcorn2:

Ryan

Spot Me 2
10-31-2008, 04:57 PM
Well my wife and I got screwed out of Voting this time around. This will be the first time I have missed a vote since 1978. Since we moved to Washington from Arizona, we applied for absentee ballots online. We received out confirmation and notification that it would be send out.

2 days after the deadline to file for Washington status we found out that they had not been processed and would not be done in time for the election. My wife is a Moderate Dem and Obama scares the crap out of her. She as I would have voted for McCain

Did you use ACORN to register??? If so, that makes sense!!