Some food for thought (obama)

[Darin Jordan]

Did you use ACORN to register??? If so, that makes sense!!

Well... let's not forget that Washington is also a generally Democrap... err... I mean Democrat run state... The Dems here mysteriously found a number of votes last time around during one of the several recounts that got Gregoire elected...

I'm sure it was an "honest" mistake... :olleyes:

[Dr. Jet]

Well... let's not forget that Washington is also a generally Democrap... err... I mean Democrat run state... The Dems here mysteriously found a number of votes last time around during one of the several recounts that got Gregoire elected...

I'm sure it was an "honest" mistake... :olleyes:


Wasn’t it “Uncle Joe” (Stalin) that said: “It’s not who votes that counts, it’s who counts the votes”? Sounds an awful lot like the Dems standard operatin procedure.

[RCprince]

They learned that from GW 2000 and 2004 presidential bid.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Wasn’t it “Uncle Joe” (Stalin) that said: “It’s not who votes that counts, it’s who counts the votes”? Sounds an awful lot like the Dems standard operatin procedure.


Indeed, see Florida 2000, Ohio 2004.

It is critical.

[Avanti]

I knew the dems supporters would be be for more spirited antics

[Darin Jordan]

Yup... they are starting it now... I can hear it now... If McCain wins... I'm SURE it will be because the ballot-boxes were rigged and those cooked GOP people rigged the election... :olleyes:

Wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that THEIR Candidate can't keep his story straight, has lied to the America People (under 250,000... urrr.. I mean 200,000.... Nope... rather 150,000.... ummmm... well... 120,000... ), works from Marxist philosophies, wants to tax and spend and "spread the wealth", has terrorist buddies and advisors, or is already planning his strategy to let his constituents down after the election after he hyped up their expectations...

Wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with that, would it?? :confused1: :lol::tt2:

[RCprince]

Can you blame them(Dems), he who doesn't learn from history, often repeats it.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Yup... they are starting it now... I can hear it now... If McCain wins... I'm SURE it will be because the ballot-boxes were rigged and those cooked GOP people rigged the election... :olleyes:

Wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that THEIR Candidate can't keep his story straight, has lied to the America People (under 250,000... urrr.. I mean 200,000.... Nope... rather 150,000.... ummmm... well... 120,000... ), works from Marxist philosophies, wants to tax and spend and "spread the wealth", has terrorist buddies and advisors, or is already planning his strategy to let his constituents down after the election after he hyped up their expectations...

Wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with that, would it?? :confused1: :lol::tt2:

Well, if any of that were even remotely true you might have a case, but it isn't, so there you go.

My favorite latest smear attempt is the Khalidi thing. Oops.. turns out McCain is on the Board of a group that has DIRECTLY funded this fellow and his studies to the tune of in excess of $500,000. Sure he is an American citizen, was born here and speaks fluent English as his first language, but LOOK at his name. He MUST be a bad guy. It is actually kind of sad that this is what the GOP has sunken to doing.

Oh well. Just over 3 days to go now!!

[AndyKunz]

Bill, go read TIME magazine!! Shoot, if there was ever a bastion of liberalism it's Time. And I just threw away the issue tonight, the one with both Senators' pictures on front (it takes a while to get here because everything is still in the process of going to our old house first). They discuss the same issues Darrin just mentioned, and from the liberal side NOT AT ALL denying the veracity of it.

Or maybe you think Time just changed sides?!?!?

Get out of the denial, dude! Your candidate is anti-America/pro-Europe/pro-OneWordGovernment!

Andy

[Bill-SOCAL]

Get out of the denial, dude! Your candidate is anti-America/pro-Europe/pro-OneWordGovernment!

Andy

OK, since you say so. This is such crap I am beyond understanding how anyone can actually think this about a person who will likely be the next President of the United States.

Anti-American?? Right. Got it. I find nothing more contemptible than questioning the patriotism of a Presidential candidate. Like I said, I think Bush is the worst President we will likely ever see and as dumb as my dogs but I have never once thought he did not love his country. It saddens me that this is what it has come down to for you guys. Out of fear and ignorance you level these asinine attacks based on a tenuous relationship with the truth in a desperate attempt to bolster support for your guy by undermining the other guy with lies.

Denial?? Well, I guess from your perspective that is what it is.

I'm done. See you all next Wednesday. And again I ask, what will you do then?? You have whipped yourselves into this hysteric frenzy that Obama is a terrorist who hates America and what will you do when he becomes YOUR President?

[Dr. Jet]

........ and what will you do when he becomes YOUR President?

I'll buy a LOT of ammo before January. Four years from today, we will probably be in a real cesspool. That is not the way things ought to be. Ah, at least I'll get to say, "See, I told you so."

[Darin Jordan]

Well, if any of that were even remotely true you might have a case, but it isn't, so there you go.

Bill,

Since you are "gone" now, you likely won't read this, but here it goes anyhow...

YOU can choose to believe what you want, or what ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or CNN tell you to believe, which apparently includes what I posted above, but that doesn't make it any less true... We have audio, video, quotes, stump-speaches, writings, support for issues, voting records, support for other political figures, and on and on and on that shows that it is true... it's ALL true...

Sure he "Loves America"... that's why his ENTIRE CAMPAIGN is based around the premise of FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING IT! :ThumbsDown01:



My favorite latest smear attempt is the Khalidi thing. Oops.. turns out McCain is on the Board of a group that has DIRECTLY funded this fellow and his studies to the tune of in excess of $500,000.

You know... when I first heard about this part of the saga, I decided to really do some research to find out more about what exactly was "funded" by "McCain"... Have you done this??

First, "McCain" did no "DIRECTLY fund" "this fellow"... He was on a committee... The "International Republican Institute", that funded the "Center for Palestine Research and Studies", which is NOT a radical organization, but is instead a group that:


The Center is an independent academic research and policy analysis institution seeking to fully explore and understand new local and regional development and assess their impact on the Palestinians. Because CPRS is independent of political factions, it is in a unique position of being able to serve as a forum for meetings of Palestinian and international researchers from various political backgrounds and ideologies in a free academic and professional atmosphere.

Here... do some research: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Palestine_Research_and_ Studies


Hardly sitting down and having dinner with the guy, or joking around with him about Israel, or having him baby-sit your kids... It doesn't sound, in fact, like it's any different than a committee issuing grants for research to a University, or Hospital, or any other large group...

Try to make all the connections you want, there simply isn't any evidence to prove in ANY WAY that McCain would even CONSIDER hanging out with this guy or supporting his Radical Ideologies...

But there is PLENTY of evidence, including Obama's OWN WORDs, both spoken and in writing, that he DID, and still DOES, align himself with these people...


And don't even try to defend this on the basis of "how dare you question Obama's patriatism"... He and his wife have both shown that America is a disappointment to them, and that they feel the need to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE IT... When you figure out what that really means... Based on how he feels about the Constitution, what Supreme Court Justices should do, etc., then you'll be as concerned as the rest of us...

[Avanti]

If I were President I would give california to Mexico then all you liberal tards would be their problem.

Talk about were blinders, you guys have been huffing too much smog.

[RMZDADDY]

I found this kind of interesting, kind of confirms what we've been seeing from the media to this point.
http://cedar-rapids.mediacomtoday.com/community/news/story/index.php?source=Entertainment&id=D945V2FG0&pd=20081101

[RCprince]

If I were President I would give california to Mexico then all you liberal tards would be their problem.

Talk about were blinders, you guys have been huffing too much smog.


lol, there is no one particular group who suffers more from cognitive paralysis other than Wingers, trust me on this. Cool to them is being, well... lol.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Some thoughts on Patriotism:


Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. Hermann Goering


The nation is divided, half patriots and half traitors, and no man can tell which from which. - Mark Twain



Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. - Samuel Johnson


When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross. - Sinclair Lewis


To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (Theodore Roosevelt - 1918)


Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first. - Charles de Gaulle

[RCprince]

Looks like you've been reading what I have in my literary arsenal.

[highndry]

I'm voting for Avanti.

I actually heard a quote from a lady the other day that appeared to be sincere, not some contrived, comical garbage. She genuinely believed that in, exchange for her vote, she would be rescued from poverty and the government was going to make her mortgage payment for her.

Not too surprising given the message the opponent is sending.

In the event he wins, I think I'll quit working....may be better off. Not.

I feel for the great unwashed.

[highndry]

Bill socal,

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" ???

Is that how you feel ???

Why dont you try and sell that to the families of those who have lost their lives in the name of patriotism defending YOU and YOUR right to express yourself in a forum like this ?

My brother-in-law is heading to Iraq for his third tour. Its a damn good thing he understands the real meaning of patriotism and isnt influenced by those who dont.

[Avanti]

Only people who continue to live the lie with credit and can't pay their bills will receive gov't help.
Those of us who go without to make payments on our debt, get the shaft.
Some people will never learn.
Not for nothing, but if people would stop playing the roll of the victim, and take responsibility for their actions, this thread would be a non-issue.

[obrien]

I wonder what a soldier returning from Iraq would think of Bill's thoughts on patriotism.

[Spot Me 2]

I wonder what a soldier returning from Iraq would think of Bill's thoughts on patriotism.

I don't think they would like them very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[Avanti]

The same thing happened when the soldiers returned from NAM; they got crapped on by the liberals.

[Avanti]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all."

[Avanti]

I think some kids forgot what they learned in school

[Bill-SOCAL]

I wonder what a soldier returning from Iraq would think of Bill's thoughts on patriotism.


Well, first, they are not MY thoughts, they are quotes from some pretty well known people, so I fail to see why anyone would have a problem. Perhaps you missed the citations at the end of each one.

It is amusing however that you seem to be of the mind that somebody should not feel free to express themselves for fear of retribution. Why is it that this type of comment always comes from the right.

BTW, I am a veteran, and two of my brothers and my father also served their country. And one of my brother's is still in the reserve and is stationed outside Tikrit in an Army trucking unit. He drives in convoys on some of the most dangerous roads in the world.

Oh well. SOrry I broke my promise to stay out of this. Once again you have shown the futility of trying to present an opposing opinion.

[Bill-SOCAL]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all."


You are aware that the "under God" part was not added until the 50's as a reaction to the rabid anti-communist fervor stoked by Eugene McCarthy.

I also assume that you are aware that the pledge was written by a minister, who did not feel the need to have the "under God" in the original version as well.

Worse yet, he was a SOCIALIST!!! :eek: OMG!!!!!!!!

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

[Bill-SOCAL]

The same thing happened when the soldiers returned from NAM; they got crapped on by the liberals.

Odd, I have not heard of any soldiers being crapped on by anyone, other than their own government. Let's see, inadequate body armor, extended tours, poor medical support once home (VA). Yep, them LIBBERULS sure do hate the troops.

And as I noted above, how many of you "patriots" actually served in the armed forces in defense of this country?? It IS an all volunteer military now, so I would be shocked if any of you passed on the opportunity to serve their country.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Bill socal,

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" ???

Is that how you feel ???

Why dont you try and sell that to the families of those who have lost their lives in the name of patriotism defending YOU and YOUR right to express yourself in a forum like this ?

My brother-in-law is heading to Iraq for his third tour. Its a damn good thing he understands the real meaning of patriotism and isnt influenced by those who dont.

As I noted, I was merely posting the ideas that some pretty well known people have said. And as far as my right to do so, well Dude, I served, did you?? Every male in my family since WWI has served their country, so give me a break about the lecture of the troops and such.

My and mine have ALL laid it on the line to preserve and protect this great nation. How about you??

And BTW - as I have noted elsewhere my younger brother is over there right now. And he also served in the first Gulf War.

[Avanti]

cry me a river

[Bill-SOCAL]

FWIW, here is the original wording of the Pledge of Allegiance as written in 1892:


I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

And here is a summary of the "history" of the Pledge:


Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

[Bill-SOCAL]

cry me a river

A deeply thoughtful and incisive retort to be sure. I have no idea what you are referring to, but OK.

It does not answer my question, but then again, maybe it does.

[Spot Me 2]

And why was adding "One nation, under GOD" a bad thing again???????????????

[Dr. Jet]

FWIW, here is the original wording of the Pledge of Allegiance as written in 1892:



And here is a summary of the "history" of the Pledge:

And here is the historical significance of the National Anthem that your boy want to change to "I want to Teach the World to Sing".

http://gallery.offshoreelectrics.com/displayimage.php?album=46&pos=0

B.O. must really love this country, huh?

[RCprince]

Wingers use God as an excuse, their propensity for violence and reciprocity is totally non christian. When I ask them about Matthew 5, especially verses 38 to 48 they start yabba dabba, dooing... lol. See "god" is generic, so by using "god" they can cover their warmongering ways by using god in the context the old testament presented "god" as, but they forget about Big J... But you know what, I'll be taking my lead spitter to heaven, there might be some funny stuff going on.


I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi

[Bill-SOCAL]

And here is the historical significance of the National Anthem that your boy want to change to "I want to Teach the World to Sing".

http://gallery.offshoreelectrics.com/displayimage.php?album=46&pos=0

B.O. must really love this country, huh?


Honestly Bill, take a few moments to get your facts straight:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_say_the_national_anthem_conveys.html

And keep in mind that just because you want to believe it does not make it true.

[Darin Jordan]

And here is a summary of the "history" of the Pledge:

Here is a little more history for you...

The BS story being taught in our schools these days about the Pilgrims arriving at Plymouth Rock, tired, hungry, unable to care for themselves, being rescued by the Indians, then holding a dinner to thank them, is not quite right...



Did you know that the first [Plymouth Colony Pilgrim's] Thanksgiving was a celebration of the triumph of private property and individual initiative?

William Bradford was the governor of the original Pilgrim colony, founded at Plymouth in 1621. The colony was first organized on a communal basis, as their financiers required. Land was owned in common. The Pilgrims farmed communally, too, following the "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" precept.

The results were disastrous. Communism didn't work any better 400 years ago than it does today. By 1623, the colony had suffered serious losses. Starvation was imminent.

Bradford realized that the communal system encouraged and rewarded waste and laziness and inefficiency, and destroyed individual initiative. Desperate, he abolished it. He distributed private plots of land among the surviving Pilgrims, encouraging them to plant early and farm as individuals, not collectively.

The results: a bountiful early harvest that saved the colonies. After the harvest, the Pilgrims celebrated with a day of Thanksgiving -- on August 9th.

Unfortunately, William Bradford's diaries -- in which he recorded the failure of the collectivist system and the triumph of private enterprise -- were lost for many years. When Thanksgiving was later made a national holiday, the present November date was chosen. And the lesson the Pilgrims so painfully learned was, alas, not made a part of the holiday.

Happily, Bradford's diaries were later rediscovered. They're available today in paperback. They tell the real story of Thanksgiving -- how private property and individual initiative saved the Pilgrims.

This Thanksgiving season, one of the many things I'm thankful for is our free market system (imperfectly realized as it is). And I'm also grateful that there are increasing numbers of Americans who are learning the importance of free markets, and who are working to replace government coercion with marketplace cooperation here in America and around the world.



You can read more here:

http://freedomkeys.com/thanksgiving.htm

http://www.mises.org/article.aspx?Id=336&FS=The+Great+Thanksgiving+Hoax

You see... this kind of Socialism has been tried, and tried, and tried again, always with the same results... It simply isn't sustainable and does not, has not, and will not work...

I could give a rip at this point about Obama's "Patriatism", or his color, or even his religous believes, asside from those that might align with any extremist organisations out there..... His "social" beliefs and "plans", however, largely and very OBVIOUSLY driven and supported by his associations and background (His mother was a far left extremist as well), would destroy this once GREAT country and the quality of life we now ALL enjoy...

What I find particularly odd is how SOOOO many of you, with GREAT lives, lots of money, decent jobs, and all the freedoms afforded to you, can just follow along so willingly to have this taken away?

[RCprince]

Darin, you concerns are duly noted, But as a whole the country has giving up, their is no collective "us", it's every man for himself, the captains of this ship have disembarked years ago and a nation without borders is the compass heading, national sovereignty is a thing of the past. It will be the New Earth (all inclusive) against them( whom ever the next enemy will be).

[Avanti]

the REPUBLIC is the main thing I was pointing out
though I believe GOD is very important too

[Spot Me 2]

And why was adding "One nation, under GOD" a bad thing again???????????????

Still waiting for an answer.

[Avanti]

Wingers use God as an excuse, their propensity for violence and reciprocity is totally non christian. When I ask them about Matthew 5, especially verses 38 to 48 they start yabba dabba, dooing... lol. See "god" is generic, so by using "god" they can cover their warmongering ways by using god in the context the old testament presented "god" as, but they forget about Big J... But you know what, I'll be taking my lead spitter to heaven, there might be some funny stuff going on.


I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi
you do realize you're a winger too right? the left is also a wing.

[Darin Jordan]

Warning: The guy drops a couple of F-bombs...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaklEq36_dk

[Avanti]

so more good points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTR0s9_PBN0
How to talk to an obama cultist (Ghost make sure you view this one since you think I am such a racist)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nu48TgUVCo
more on experience and judgement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6OAizwKHsU

[Bill-SOCAL]

Still waiting for an answer.

Let me turn it around. Why is it a good idea? Why was it necessary to alter the original version??

Just saw Avanti's post. It still amuses me to no end how you disparaged my use of Wikipedia as a source and yet you have no problem using unattributable sources off of YouTube.

[ghostofpf1]

Still waiting for an answer.

This is a country founded on dissent and immigration.Not every person on this continent believes in any particular deity but they might all stand behind the Country. Why should they be forced to pledge allegiance to a deity at the same time they pledge allegiance to the Country ?? :confused:

edit.So now you use youtube to form your opinions for you....LOL...
Ghost

[Flying Scotsman]

Only, one more day, thank God. Then the proof will be in the pudding and after a year in office was the candidate of choice, the right one?
Time will tell, in these difficult times.

Douggie

[RCprince]

you do realize you're a winger too right? the left is also a wing.

Actually I'm neither as I've mention before... I hold fast to no political ideology... I just love the right and their subjectivity and their pseudo love of "Big J". Liberty is what I acknowledge, every man has to right to worship who he wants, every man born, has a right equal land in order to provide for family and self, and so forth and so on. freedom is free. But liberty is a natural right. So give me liberty or give me death... Your freedom ends when it starts to infringe on someone else's freedom.

[Spot Me 2]

What was the country founded in??? What were our forefathers?? Did they worship Alah or the devil?? Lets keep taking God out of things. It's worked great so far.:olleyes:

[Avanti]

wow 57 states
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=related

[Spot Me 2]

wow 57 states
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=related

Thats after he takes office. The middle east will be the other 7.:tongue_smilie:

[Avanti]

Just saw Avanti's post. It still amuses me to no end how you disparaged my use of Wikipedia as a source and yet you have no problem using unattributable sources off of YouTube.
I have not claimed anything I've posted to have any credibility, I have basically just been busting balls.

I honestly can't wait for this to be over so we can go back to enjoying our r/c boats.

Left wing ; Right wing

I'm pretty sure you need both to fly straight, but where the fun in that.

[Avanti]

this is amusing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=related

[Flying Scotsman]

wow 57 states
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=related

I think he was including all the Canadian Provinces (states) then it would make sense.

Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

This is a country founded on dissent and immigration.Not every person on this continent believes in any particular deity but they might all stand behind the Country. Why should they be forced to pledge allegiance to a deity at the same time they pledge allegiance to the Country ?? :confused:

Ghost

I'll turn this back your direction... WHY is there tollerance of EVERY other religion on the face of this planet, as well as non-religions (Bill Mahr, etc.), EXCEPT one based on Christian beliefs???

Is "Love thy neighbor as thyself", "Do not covet your neighbor's wife", "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", "Thou shalt not steal", "Thou shalt not lie", "Thou shall not commit adultry", "Honor your father and mother", "You shall not kill", etc... so "Steeped in religion" that they shouldn't be part of a decent and MORAL society??

We are fed this BS everyday about "Celebrating the differences"... How about CELEBRATING THE SIMILIARITIES and tolerating the differences??? A society can NOT survive if there isn't a common ground on which to ground it.

And now Obama wants to select Judges based on criteria that would have them consider the PERSON being juged on which to make their decisions... Their color... their race... their orientation.... their financial backgroud...

Justice is suppose to be BLIND... but Obama wants to take off the blindfold with his selection of judges for the Supreme Court...

How is this good for society?? We have already become a Nation where there are 'special rights' for minority groups... We're about to become divided even further, and ironically, it's going to happen under the premise of "Bringing us together"... "The Change we Need"??? HARDLY!

[Avanti]

more from the tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D36OHolrdOg

[Avanti]

I think he was including all the Canadian Provinces (states) then it would make sense.

Douggie
perhaps

[highndry]

As I noted, I was merely posting the ideas that some pretty well known people have said. And as far as my right to do so, well Dude, I served, did you?? Every male in my family since WWI has served their country, so give me a break about the lecture of the troops and such.

My and mine have ALL laid it on the line to preserve and protect this great nation. How about you??

And BTW - as I have noted elsewhere my younger brother is over there right now. And he also served in the first Gulf War.
__________________
************
I didnt serve. Not sure why that should somehow limit my right to respond to anti-patriotic comments/quotes when I too have family risking their lives in our defense.

My comments stand.

[RCprince]

I have not claimed anything I've posted to have any credibility, I have basically just been busting balls.

I honestly can't wait for this to be over so we can go back to enjoying our r/c boats.

Left wing ; Right wing

I'm pretty sure you need both to fly straight, but where the fun in that.

Hey Avanti don't stress bruh, it's only in love, bygones will be bygones,
only real men know how to refocus when it's all over... a 36 more hours... so get you last punches in.

[RCprince]

I think he was including all the Canadian Provinces (states) then it would make sense.

Douggie

I keep telling you guys... The European Union, The Asian Union, The African Union and The North American Union( United States, Canada and Mexico) the dollar will be replaced by the Amero http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

[JimClark]

Check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ayGwZXJ8L4

[ghostofpf1]

I'll turn this back your direction... WHY is there tollerance of EVERY other religion on the face of this planet, as well as non-religions (Bill Mahr, etc.), EXCEPT one based on Christian beliefs???



Oh Please....not the martyr speech...
No one said anything about stifling your right to worship as you please...I said why should I be forced to worship as you do by pledging allegiance to a deity I may not particularly believe in .

Ghost

[Darin Jordan]

only real men know how to refocus when it's all over... a 36 more hours... so get you last punches in.


Yup... only 30 or so more hours for all those Liberals out there to vandalize GOP yard signs for a meaningful reason... :tt2:

[Darin Jordan]

Oh Please....not the martyr speech...
No one said anything about stifling your right to worship as you please...I said why should I be forced to worship as you do by pledging allegiance to a deity I may not particularly believe in .

Ghost

GIVE Me a break... You are NOT "Pledging allegiance to a deity"... you are PLEDGING your allegiance to a FLAG... to your ONE NATION...

And no one is "forcing you"... don't say the "under God" part if you don't like...

[AndyKunz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY&NR=1

Just laugh along!

Andy

[RCprince]

Yup... only 30 or so more hours for all those Liberals out there to vandalize GOP yard signs for a meaningful reason... :tt2:


Look at the real sign thieves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7rWZ_4tJ5g&eurl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZERbqcPyfZE&eurl


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxSd3atbrnE&eurl






http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/2939110809_ab114f5dc2.jpg?v=0



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3208/2944469862_81f9f32697.jpg?v=0

[Flying Scotsman]

Check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ayGwZXJ8L4

Jim, that is hillarious. Puts all politicians in their correct colours(English spelling)

Douggie

[Avanti]

Check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ayGwZXJ8L4

wow I'll never get those 4 minutes back :doh:

[Avanti]

saw a burnt up McCain sign in a yard with a osama binladin (oh I mean obama biden, sorry) sign today

great message

[Avanti]

Look at the real sign thieves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7rWZ_4tJ5g&eurl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZERbqcPyfZE&eurl


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxSd3atbrnE&eurl







:rofl::roflol::lol::laugh:

[Darin Jordan]

Look at the real sign thieves ...

See... that's what I'm talking about... the "Liberals" (aka: Democrats... or basically anyone to the left of Joe Liberman ;) ) look for those MINORITY situations and try to globalize them...

The statistics are right around 4:1 ratio, perhaps a bit higher, of Liberal "vandals" to Conservative "vandals"... Which makes sense, when you consider what the two stand for...

So there are "real sign thieves" on both sides, but the VAST MAJORITY are on the Liberal side, based on actual statistics...

[RCprince]

LOL...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JhJe_UoTYl4/SLfhnZjYsgI/AAAAAAAAAKI/xwfqo5W5rX0/s1600/ObamaGreekGod.jpg

http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/home/cassandr/vcblog/archives/obama_noland_poster.jpg

[Avanti]

dems/leftist/liberals = victim

or so they would have you believe

[Avanti]

this is what happens when you send your brainwashed kid to mess with a McCain sign

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj1ENW0K_OE

[Avanti]

some more liberal antics

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gEryuTOCZ9zsiwaIvTzY18hdgvKQ

[Avanti]

this is a dumb move. why would you limit you amount of income by putting off the GOP customer base

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zytRCI9uq1U

I would not eat there

[RCprince]

this is what happens when you send your brainwashed kid to mess with a McCain sign

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj1ENW0K_OE


Thank you Avanti...Rightwingers are prone to cruelty and violence and then go church on sunday like nothing ever happened.


No Treats for Obama Supporters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NGAYR7RHfQ&eurl cruelty and to include children in this nonsense. tsk, tsk, tsk!

[Avanti]

good sign info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRAuz_chSNw

[Avanti]

No Treats for Obama Supporters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NGAYR7RHfQ&eurl cruelty and to include children in this nonsense. tsk, tsk, tsk!

nice video I love the racial undertones

[Avanti]

nice maneuver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJcdmXkk9Sk

[Darin Jordan]

I wonder how all the Liberals around here would like it if THEIR Addresses and info was published for all to see... including maps, home photos, etc..???

http://soundpolitics.com/archives/011986.html

[Bill-SOCAL]

What was the country founded in??? What were our forefathers?? Did they worship Alah or the devil?? Lets keep taking God out of things. It's worked great so far.:olleyes:

Actually by and large they were Deists which is NOT the same as Christians. Do some research. The idea that the US was founded as a "Christian" nation is simply incorrect.

Here's a pretty good site:

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

Much of the angst of the Christian Right is based on the incorrect assumption that the US was founded as a "Christian" Nation.

[Avanti]

http://wingless.aoriginality.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/obamasatirevirgin.jpg

[Flying Scotsman]

I should not be interferring in you debate, but I do not care if you are a Republican or a Democrat. The world has not collapsed under either doctrine...YET. The lines of both parties have become muddied over the years. Just vote for what candidate has the best vision for your country and the WORLD in a thoughtful manner.

Douggie

[Avanti]

http://rlv.zazzle.com/bill_clinton_barack_obama_t_shirt-p235684529241205825abjc_325.jpg

[ghostofpf1]

Desperate means for desperate people ............:glare:

///////////////////////////////////






What's this
By Deborah Hastings, The Associated Press



NEW YORK - In the hours before Election Day, as inevitable as winter, comes an onslaught of dirty tricks.


There have been confusing e-mails, disturbing phone calls and insinuating fliers left on doorsteps during the night.


The intent, almost always, is to keep people from voting or to confuse them, usually through intimidation or misinformation.


But, in this presidential race, in which a black man leads most polls, some of the deceit has a decidedly racist bent.


Complaints have surfaced in predominantly African-American neighbourhoods of Philadelphia where fliers have circulated.


They warn voters they could be arrested at the polls if they had unpaid parking tickets or if they had criminal convictions.


Over the weekend in Virginia, bogus fliers with an authentic-looking commonwealth seal said fears of high voter turnout had prompted election officials to hold two elections.


One will be on Tuesday for Republicans, the correct day, and another on Wednesday for Democrats, which would be after election.


In New Mexico, two Hispanic women filed a lawsuit last week claiming they were harassed by a private investigator working for a Republican lawyer who came to their homes and threatened to call immigration authorities, even though they are U.S. citizens.


"He was questioning her status, saying that he needed to see her papers and documents to show that she was a U.S. citizen and was a legitimate voter," said Guadalupe Bojorquez.


She was speaking on behalf of her mother, Dora Escobedo, a 67-year-old Albuquerque resident who speaks only Spanish.


"He totally, totally scared the heck out of her."


In Pennsylvania, e-mails appeared linking Democrat Barack Obama to the Holocaust.


"Jewish Americans cannot afford to make the wrong decision on Tuesday, Nov. 4," said the electronic message.


It was paid for by an entity calling itself the Republican Federal Committee.


"Many of our ancestors ignored the warning signs in the 1930s and 1940s and made a tragic mistake."


Laughlin McDonald, who leads the American Civil Liberties Union's Voting Rights Project, said he has never seen "an election where there was more interest and more voter turnout, and more efforts to suppress registration and turnout. And that has a real impact on minorities."

The Obama campaign and civil rights advocacy groups have signed up millions of new voters for this presidential race.

In Ohio alone, some 600,000 have submitted new voter registration cards.

Across the country, many of these first-time voters are young and strong Obama supporters.

Many are also black and Hispanic.

Activist groups say it's this fresh crop of ballot-minded citizens that makes some Republicans very nervous.

They say they expect the dirty tricks to get dirtier in the final hours before Tuesday, especially in battleground states like Pennsylvania, Virginia and New Mexico.

"Oh, there's plenty of time for things to get ugly," said Zachary Stalberg, president of The Committee of Seventy, a Philadelphia-based government watchdog group that is non partisan.

Other reports of intimidation efforts in the hotly contested state of Pennsylvania include leaflets taped to picnic benches at Drexel University.

They warn students that police would be at the polls on Tuesday to arrest would-be voters with prior criminal offences.

In his Jewish neighbourhood, Stalberg said, fliers were recently left claiming Obama was more sympathetic to Palestinians than to Israel, and showed a photograph of him speaking in Germany.

"It shows up between the screen door and the front door in the middle of the night," Stalberg said. "Why couldn't someone knock on the door and hand that to me in the middle of the day?

"In a sense, it's very smartly done. The message gets through. It's done carefully enough that people might read it."

Such tactics are common, and are often impossible to trace.

Robo-calls, in which automated phone messages are sent over and over, are very hard to trace to their source, say voting advocates.

E-mails fall into the same category.

In Nevada, for example, Latino voters said they had received calls from people describing themselves as Obama volunteers, urging them to cast their ballot over the phone.

The calls were reported to Election Protection, a non-profit advocacy group that runs a hot line for election troubles. The organization does not know who orchestrated them.

"The Voting Rights Act makes it a crime to mislead and intimidate voters," said McDonald. "If you can find out who's doing it, those people should be prosecuted."

Trying to mislead voters is nothing new.

"We see this every year," said Jonah Goldman of the advocacy group Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

"It all happens around this time when there's too much other stuff going on in the campaigns, and it doesn't get investigated."

In 2006, automated phone calls in the final days leading to the federal election wrongly warned voters they would not be allowed to vote without a photo identity.

In Colorado and Virginia, people reported receiving calls that told them their registrations had expired and they would be arrested if they showed up to vote.

The White House contest of 2004 was marked by similar deceptions.

In Milwaukee, fliers went up advising people "if you've already voted in any election this year, you can't vote in the presidential election."

In Pennsylvania, a letter bearing what appeared to be the McCandless Township seal falsely proclaimed that in order to cut long voting lines, Republicans would cast ballots on Nov. 2 and Democrats would vote on Nov. 3, the wrong day.

E-mail assaults have become increasingly popular this year, keeping pace with the proliferation of blogging and Obama's massive online campaign efforts, according to voting activists.

"It is newer and more furious than it ever has been before," Goldman said.

Republicans are not exempt.

"Part of it is that election campaigns are more online than ever before," said Goldman.

"During the primaries, a lot of Web sites went up that seemed to be for (Republican candidate Rudy) Giuliani, but actually were attack sites."

New York City's former mayor and his high-profile colleagues Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney were also targeted in fake Internet sites that featured "quotes" from the candidates espousing support for extreme positions they never endorsed.


/////////////////////////////////

I searched for Democrat dirty tricks but couldn't find much of anything....:confused2:MUST BE THAT DAM LIBERAL PRESS YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS RANTING ABOUT

Ghost :smile:

[Darin Jordan]

I searched for Democrat dirty tricks but couldn't find much of anything....:confused2:MUST BE THAT DAM LIBERAL PRESS YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS RANTING ABOUT

Ghost :smile:


DUDE... you are SERIOUSLY reaching...

Yup... there you have it... the Obama campaign has been truely run cleanly... He IS the modern day Mesiah... :olleyes:

[Avanti]

They are just preparing their excuses in advance Darin

[RCprince]

Election documents found on junction of I-4, I-275 http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2008/11/voter-documents.html.

[Avanti]

Election documents found on junction of I-4, I-275 http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2008/11/voter-documents.html.

nice one

[Bill-SOCAL]

Election documents found on junction of I-4, I-275 http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2008/11/voter-documents.html.

According to the link and a couple of other sources I've seen these were not actual "election" documents but rather campaign documents. Still, what a mess.

[Flying Scotsman]

Will, you guys grow up and play with toy boats, as all normal adults do???

Douggie

[RCprince]

My point for this was that the mess this country is in, Voting is a joke.. If the fed, would place these Frockers behind bars that crap would cease, 8 years and we are still having voting machines switching ballots... I grew up in New York, 20 million plus people and why is it that they don't suffer from the voting nonsense, long lines(without early voting) flaky ballots, as most of these RED states... Cheating is the Repubs way of life...

[highndry]

Tomorrow the skies will open and all will hail the prescence of Obama. All will be right with the world.

I just sent my mortgage payment book to 1500 Pennsylvania Ave.

Thanks Barry. You're the man.

[ghostofpf1]

Tomorrow the skies will open and all will hail the prescence of Obama. All will be right with the world.

I just sent my mortgage payment book to 1500 Pennsylvania Ave.

Thanks Barry. You're the man.

If I recall the debates correctly it was actually McCain who wanted to buy up all the bad mortgages with guvmint funds so your thanks are a little misplaced :sorry:

Ghost

[Bill-SOCAL]

Indeed he did. And oddly not one person raised a stink about BIG Gubbermint or "Socialism" when he did.

[Darin Jordan]

Indeed he did. And oddly not one person raised a stink about BIG Gubbermint or "Socialism" when he did.

Not exactly the same plan, Bill... not even close...

[highndry]

Sorry Ghost and sorry Bill.

It is the libs who do not believe personal responsibilty is an admirable quality/trait. If that were the case why do they support entitlement programs for those who elect not to work, who elect not to pusue an education , who elect to sit idle while the govt sends them a check every month, who perpetually elect to exercise zero self-discipline knowing that they will be the beneficiaries of their own party who would prefer that they wallow in their own undignified squaller rather than lift themselves up and be productive members of society??

Sorry again. That argument doesnt wash.

Peace out.

[Avanti]

If I recall the debates correctly it was actually McCain who wanted to buy up all the bad mortgages with guvmint funds so your thanks are a little misplaced :sorry:

Ghost

someone doesn't know :sarcasm1: when he sees it.

[highndry]

Further, Ghost.

It was a quote that I will be happy to dig up if necessary, from a lady yesterday who said in all seriousness that in exchange for her vote, she would never have to worry about her mortgage payment.

[ghostofpf1]

Further, Ghost.

It was a quote that I will be happy to dig up if necessary, from a lady yesterday who said in all seriousness that in exchange for her vote, she would never have to worry about her mortgage payment.

So now "A Lady" is a reliable source upon which you form your opinions ??


Ghost :roflol:

[highndry]

Reliable source? Upon which I form my opinions?. Gimme a break.

Heres the vid. But really, why bother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ikOxi9yYk

[RCprince]

An object at rest tends to stay at rest until act on by an external force... Sometimes who call that inspiration spoken by others.

[ghostofpf1]

Reliable source? Upon which I form my opinions?. Gimme a break.

Heres the vid. But really, why bother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ikOxi9yYk

Talk about taking things out of context :roflol:

Ghost

[Darin Jordan]

And the parallels to another "socialists" rise continues:

Obama's Civilian Security Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s)

Hmmm... what was the purpose of the "Brownshirts" again?? (One source of info to get you started... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownshirts)

[RCprince]

Darin you beating yourself up for no reason Bruh, North American Union... Socialism what ever you call it.

[Darin Jordan]

Darin you beating yourself up for no reason Bruh, North American Union... Socialism what ever you call it.

Dude.... You simply aren't paying attention if you think that this is what our country has now... or that what we have now is ANYTHING like these guys have planned for us...

[calcagno45]

NEWS FLASH!!

Due to long lines at the polls, all Obama voters are asked to vote on Wednesday. Thank you.

[Darin Jordan]

NEWS FLASH!!

Due to long lines at the polls, all Obama voters are asked to vote on Wednesday. Thank you.


Sounds like a great idea to me... :thumbup1:

[calcagno45]

I wonder if this was broadcasted, if it would actually work....lol

[RCprince]

Based on statistics Republicans have the lowest IQ's and and a tendency to not matriculate to institutions of higher learning... So they'll probably be more likely to fall for that one... like the man coming out the sky to save you story!!

[Avanti]

Based on statistics Republicans have the lowest IQ's and and a tendency to not matriculate to institutions of higher learning... So they'll probably be more likely to fall for that one... like the man coming out the sky to save you story!!

how long did it take you to find that word? meaning to enroll. :tiphat:

"I get my learn on at SPC."

[Avanti]

WOW I hit 1000 posts

I would like to thank barry for this achievement

[Darin Jordan]

Based on statistics Republicans have the lowest IQ's and and a tendency to not matriculate to institutions of higher learning...

Really... you mean those Institutes of "higher learning" where guys like Kalidi and Ayer's teach??

What a great system... It's now setup, thanks to "Affirmative Action" and Minority "quotas" to give many more scholarships to those who are "other than white"... They take the best and the brightest of these "slighted" peoples, and they then indoctrinate them with these ideas of revolution and entitlement... until the "statistics" show that well over 40% of the population of college age adults think that "entitlement" ideas are "normal" and a good thing for society...

Who's making that IQ test again??? OH, yah... the professors at these colleges...

Perfect system if you ask me... :olleyes:

[RCprince]

Lol... I was waiting for your comeback Darin, lol.

[Darin Jordan]

And the parallels to another "socialists" rise continues:

Obama's Civilian Security Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s)

Hmmm... what was the purpose of the "Brownshirts" again?? (One source of info to get you started... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownshirts)


Come on guys... SOMEONE please explain this one away.... PLEASE! I'm waiting for an answer to the question as to WHY we freaking need a "Civilian Security Force"??? :confused1:

Let me get this straight.... The Dems want to cut back the Defense spending, pull us out of Iraq, and generally make friends with our now "enemies", but then we are going to equip a "Civilian Security Force" that is "equally funded and just as strong" as our currently Military??? (OBAMA's WORDS!! :eek: )...

WTF!???:scared::icon_bs:

There is a hell of a lot more than just a pattern here... I want someone supporting this to explain this one away so I'll feel better about it... :glare:

[Avanti]

barry needs the cfs to protect him against the klan I guess

people complain about Black Water, but when barry says it, it's ok

[NorthernBoater]

Come on guys... SOMEONE please explain this one away.... PLEASE! I'm waiting for an answer to the question as to WHY we freaking need a "Civilian Security Force"??? :confused1:


Come on, haven't you figured it out yet. He knows what is best for you!! You are not supposed to question it. Pretty soon the Civilian Security Force will be tracking all of your movements with your cell phone. If it is not being done already. All of the camera systems going up should be able to keep track of you when you are driving around.

:sarcasm1:Just start stocking up on guns and ammo and you can get everything else. :sarcasm1:

[Bill-SOCAL]

Maybe looking a bit deeper than a YouTube video might help

http://bulletin.aarp.org/states/il/articles/obama_outlines_plan_for_national_service.html

Take a bit longer to read than watching a short vid on the Tube, but then again it has facts and stuff like that.

[Darin Jordan]

Take a bit longer to read than watching a short vid on the Tube, but then again it has facts and stuff like that.

Bill,

First... Stop assuming that I didn't already look into the "facts" as you see them... I'm not just scouring YouTube...

Second...



"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."


If people want to serve their country in a Security fashion... we already have the National Guard, the Coast Guard, and the standing Military. If they don't want to do it in a Military fashion, then they can join the Peace Corps, or any number of other organizations. Or, let Obama come up with something new in that regard...

But there is NO legitimate reason why we would need to start arming Civilians to form a "national security force" in this regard. That's crazy, and DANGEROUS... It's been tried before...

I'm not sure what "facts" you think we should be paying attention to, but all I read in there was a list of "plans" that Obama has, and then the quote above, where he appears to have gone "off-script" again and gave us insight into his real plans...

Again, maybe You or some of your "enlightened" friends can explain to those of us out here with "low IQs" who aren't part of your "movement" exactly WHY forming a "Civilian National Security Force" is a good idea, or even necessary??? Or, in your groups own words... why this is a "Change We Need"???

Please... say something that will make me relax about this... Seriously... is EVERYTHING this guy proposes, says, or plans, a GOOD idea to the left?? Are you just going to defend EVERYTHING he proposes or plans??

That may be even more concerning...

[Avanti]

D-Day fellas

[Diegoboy]

I went to vote @ 6:30am, The line could have wrapped around the school twice. I only had 3 hours before I had to be onsite for an installation. I didn't even get out of my car. That line looked a lot like a...

[Darin Jordan]

D-Day fellas

My vote was cast a week ago.

We are taking the kids with us this afternoon when my wife goes to vote, so they can see the process... or at least the process as it exists today.

Will be watching the results closely tonight...

[ryan_t888]

I can't believe the lines you guys have over there to vote. CNN explained families were waiting over 6 hours in line to vote. That's rediculous!

In our last Federal election, which just happened very recently, I walked in and walked out after voting in a matter of 2 minutes.

I'm interested in seeing what the voter turn out is for the presidential election. Should be interesting!

Ryan

[AndyKunz]

Come on guys... SOMEONE please explain this one away.... PLEASE! I'm waiting for an answer to the question as to WHY we freaking need a "Civilian Security Force"??? :confused1:

I thought that's what the National Guard was. Silly me, all those armories, ANG air bases, etc.

Oh, I know why! Because all those places will be empty because the men and women are out protecting people from the rioting masses in the major cities!! Yeah, that's it!

Andy

[Darin Jordan]

More info on Obama's plans for this "volunteerism"...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html


I'm sorry... I just can't quite imagine arming Acorn volunteers... That's an alarming thought...

[Bill-SOCAL]

I'm sorry... I just can't quite imagine arming Acorn volunteers... That's an alarming thought...

A thought based on an incorrect understanding about what his plans are. Even the article you linked to makes it clear he is not talking about paramilitary civilian groups.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Bill,


But there is NO legitimate reason why we would need to start arming Civilians to form a "national security force" in this regard. That's crazy, and DANGEROUS... It's been tried before...



And again, this is your incorrect understanding and not what he is saying. I have not seen anywhere in his actual words where he talks about armed civilian para-military type security groups. He is talking about increasing our security by getting people involved in making the country a better place and by reaching out through volunteerism to repair the damage done to our reputation in the world.

It is only the right wing fanatics who have chosen to spread fear by trying to make others think that he is talking about "arming Acorn".

[Bill-SOCAL]

More info on Obama's plans for this "volunteerism"...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html


I'm sorry... I just can't quite imagine arming Acorn volunteers... That's an alarming thought...

Sorry Darin, this is not "more info" this is a right wing extremist OPINION on what they want you to believe in order to ratchet up the fear index. Haven't you gotten the point that this is how the GOP and RW pundits manipulate their followers?? Keep you afraid and use misinformation and smear to spread that fear. And sadly, it works.

You say you read the article you linked to. Did you see this?


It seems clear that he meant to say, in effect, that the security of the nation is as dependent on its unarmed community service providers as it is on its armed military personnel.

But then they added their own twist:


Except in his case, he means to marshal volunteers for social service and economic equality while saving the environment.

"Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but is also depends on the teacher in East LA, the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans..."


That is, of course, true. But ultimate national security requires someone to carry, and, if necessary, discharge a deadly weapon with intent to kill.

See how they do this?? They say first what Obama is clearing talking about and then tell you what they think that means. Classic. Not once has Obama talked about armed civilian units, but every RW whack job pundit wants you to think that is what he means.

In simpler terms it is called LYING. It is your choice on whether or not to buy into their continued fear mongering.

[Darin Jordan]

Sorry Darin, this is not "more info" this is a right wing extremist OPINION on what they want you to believe in order to ratchet up the fear index.

Sorry Bill... I don't buy it... Not any more than you would buy me saying that the purpose of the 80% liberal bias'd media is doing what they are doing in order to lull us into a sense of calmness and bliss in order to make us more comfortable with "The One"...

Oh... maybe that IS what they are trying to do... :glare:

It's odd how every "other" opinion, especially those that simply don't align with the Lefts view of "right and wrong" are considered "EXTREMIST", or "Right-Wing Extremist"... How about just "opposing" opinions?? Why are they so "extreme"?? :olleyes:

It's clear that the Left, such as yourself, have your perspectives set and are not going to be swayed by any amount of information that might otherwise make you question your position...


Let's be very clear... I'm NOT in "Fear", as the Left like yourself always likes to tell us when we question ANYTHING about their intentions or their candidates or their plans... I am informed and see patterns in this candidates associations, patterns of thinking, speaches, and plans, that I think should be of grave concern to anyone who currently enjoys their way of life. He has outwardly lied to the American people on more than one occasion and has gone back on his word. Which reminds me, the "won't raise your taxes" line is now down to $100,000... :olleyes:

I'll tell you what... I'll be the first to admit that I was completely wrong should Obama win and the Nation continues on to prominence and prosperity... Until then, I'm going to question his intentions with a lot of objectivity and with my eyes OPEN... Easy to do for me, since I don't give a rip how eloquently he speaks or how "handsome" he looks, and I could give a rip about his gender, race, or religion... deal?? :glare:


And, for the record... I'm NOT a GOP, or Republican... I'm a Moderate... I'm tolerant, a thinker, believe in "fairness", etc... I don't believe that extremes in EITHER direction are a good thing for this country... That's why I back Senator McCain... He's proven to work on a balanced platform that will keep the pendulum from swinging too far to either side...

[calcagno45]

And, for the record... I'm NOT a GOP, or Republican... I'm a Moderate... I'm tolerant, a thinker, believe in "fairness", etc... I don't believe that extremes in EITHER direction are a good thing for this country... That's why I back Senator McCain... He's proven to work on a balanced platform that will keep the pendulum from swinging too far to either side...

AMEN to that! Exactly why I back McCain also, his fairness and balancing of parties.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Sorry Bill... I don't buy it...


And as I said, that is your choice. I do not agree with you and to believe as you do you must first think Obama is lying and the RW fear mongers are telling you the truth. Seems like a long way to go to get to an opinion, but as I said, it is your choice.

ANd for the record, I can and have changed my mind when presented with FACTS. But you and others never present actual facts. You present your interpretation of the facts and when presented with the truth respond that you "don't buy it".

And that is all I ever ask, use actual facts, not the rants of the RW pundits who have a poor relationship with reality.

And as far as the $100,000 tax thing, can you cite an actual impartial source that supports this conclusion? I am not talking about the Drudge report, or Rush, etc.

Here's an example:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/31/tax-experts-break-down-the-plans/

It clearly states that from $100,000 to $250,000 Obama's and McCain's plan are essentially the same. But the Right is all out there now with the $100,000 number. Where does that come from?? Who said it? What sources do they cite??

[Dr. Jet]

Bill,

Right now I make $100K. I'm not "rich" by any means. My newest car is a 2001 PT Cruiser. Not exactly a "status symbol" vehicle. My 1700 square foot home is modest at best and in need of many expensive repairs.

Here's a deal I will make you. When B. O., Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Ried start manipiulating the tax codes, I'll compare my Bush tax bill to the B.O. tax tax bill, and compare them to his campaign "promises". You will see that he is lying. I will not see taxes go down. Neither will you.

[Darin Jordan]

And as far as the $100,000 tax thing, can you cite an actual impartial source that supports this conclusion? I am not talking about the Drudge report, or Rush, etc.

Here's an example:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/31/tax-experts-break-down-the-plans/

It clearly states that from $100,000 to $250,000 Obama's and McCain's plan are essentially the same. But the Right is all out there now with the $100,000 number. Where does that come from?? Who said it? What sources do they cite??

Well... let's see.... Obama himself said the $250,000, then later said the $200,000... then Biden himself said $150,000.... then last week Bill Richardson said the $120,000.... I'm not sure who said the $100,000... You are right... I just heard that on the radio... Sure discredits the sources I'm sure... :sarcasm1:


As far as me coming from a perspective that "Obama is lying"... well... At first, we hear things that are questionable... His plans, his agenda... his desire to "Fundamentally change America"... One HAS to ask "What does he mean by that"... so then you look... you research... you listen... You start seeing pieces fitting together in to a pattern... You hear the rather WEAK excuses... "oh, what he really meant was...".... "Oh, that was just Joe being Joe....".... "Oh... you are taking this out of context..."...

EVERYTHING I have seen, believe, have heard, have reasoned, etc., is NOT, and can NOT be simply me "taking this out of context"... That's just you trying to talk away those things that may interupt your ability to be a part of something "historic"...

America's true hope is that there are enough people in the middle who can still think for themselves and draw reasonable conclusions...

[RCprince]

More info on Obama's plans for this "volunteerism"...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html


I'm sorry... I just can't quite imagine arming Acorn volunteers... That's an alarming thought...

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2008/11/03/12/576-11022008Morin.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.91.jpg

[Dr. Jet]

But the Right is all out there now with the $100,000 number. Where does that come from?? Who said it? What sources do they cite??

I believe it was Joe Biden that gave the $150K number.

[RCprince]

AMEN to that! Exactly why I back McCain also, his fairness and balancing of parties.

McCain is as balanced as a 2 legged Elephant.

[Darin Jordan]

McCain is as balanced as a 2 legged Elephant.

Prove it...

Remember... no opinions... just FACTS...

[Dr. Jet]

McCain is as balanced as a 2 legged Elephant.

An elephant has remarkable balance. You see them on one foot on a stool all the time in a circus act.

[Darin Jordan]

An elephant has remarkable balance. You see them on on foot on a stool all the time in a circus act.


Very good point, and rather quick as well... Nice work Doc! ;)

[Darin Jordan]

Oh, and by the way... those of you on the Left who keep putting down any information found on Fox News... They were one of the ONLY major news outlets who were rated EXACTLY EVEN and BALANCED on their coverage of this campaign... DEAD EVEN...

They are one of the only "Fair and Balanced" news sources out there... according to recent ratings...

[RCprince]

An elephant has remarkable balance. You see them on one foot on a stool all the time in a circus act.

Clearly I said 2 Legged, meaning with out the support of the 2 other legs :sold: it's a wrap... takes us home Obama... these guys are nut cases! Unfathomable, its time to end this madness.

[Bill-SOCAL]

I believe it was Joe Biden that gave the $150K number.

So it's not $100,000 but $150,000? And again, can anyone cite the actual source beyond what they think they believe they heard??

Here's one that makes it clear what the remark meant:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/28/1600845.aspx

What he was saying is that from $150,000 and down you will actually get money back, a true "cut". Those from $150,000 to $250,000 will stay the same, under both plans I might add. And over $250,000 they will pay more. Nothing inconsistent here at all, but the RW has jumped all over it because they prefer to use out of context remarks to bolster their opinions.

Now of course the response will be "I don't buy it". And again, that is fine, it is total fantasy and a denial of the truth, but people are free to think as they choose to think.

[RCprince]

Oh, and by the way... those of you on the Left who keep putting down any information found on Fox News... They were one of the ONLY major news outlets who were rated EXACTLY EVEN and BALANCED on their coverage of this campaign... DEAD EVEN...

They are one of the only "Fair and Balanced" news sources out there... according to recent ratings...

Fox news is a stomping ground for criminals and warmongers , where they get a second chance to influence the sheep's.

[Bill-SOCAL]

The idea that Fox news is "fair and balanced" fails on every level. Here's a for instance. On the day Ted Stevens was convicted of 7 felony counts of fraud they did not even report it. Very fair. Very balanced. They did not touch the story until the next day. Most of the post conviction coverage has centered minimizing it. Now imagine if Steven's were a Democrat. I am sure that the coverage would be the same.

Owned by Rupert Murdoch, run by Roger Ailes, staffed by Chris Wallace, Brit Hume, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Karl Rove, and so on. Oh, and Alan Colmes!! Very balanced.

What is so truly amazing is that their viewers actually believe this!!

It must be true, they say it often enough.

[Darin Jordan]

Here's one that makes it clear what the remark meant:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/28/1600845.aspx

No... not "I don't buy it"... but seriously... you are going to refer to MSNBC??? Keith Oberman's channel??? RIGHT... they aren't going to spin this at all... :blah: :blah: :blah:

As for FOX news... Sorry... They are not my statistics... or Foxes... It was reported locally in print as well as on TV...

Again... it's just the Left trying to mask themselves as being the saviours for everyone... surely THEY know what is "correct" for America, and the rest of us, who don't agree with them, are bafoons... :sarcasm1:

But you are buying into exactly what the Left wants you to buy into... Because Fox, and a few other channels, are opposing opinions and question in ways that make you "uncomfortable"... so they must be evil... they must be silenced... RIGHT?? Don't worry... If the Dems get their way... They will be (Fairness Doctrine)...

[ghostofpf1]

Oh, and by the way... those of you on the Left who keep putting down any information found on Fox News... They were one of the ONLY major news outlets who were rated EXACTLY EVEN and BALANCED on their coverage of this campaign... DEAD EVEN...

They are one of the only "Fair and Balanced" news sources out there... according to recent ratings...


:roflol: Good one..I nearly spit coffee all over my computer screen :rofl:


Ghost

[Darin Jordan]

:roflol: Good one..I nearly spit coffee all over my computer screen :rofl:


Ghost

http://www.crazyforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/obama-kool-aid.jpg



Come AWAY from the Kool-Aid... You can do it... Come aaawwwaaayyy... Come AWWWAAAYYYYY....

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs28/f/2008/077/2/9/Say_no_to_the_obama_kool_aid_by_tjltm.jpghttp://politicalpartypoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/lefty_kool-aid_award.gif

[Spot Me 2]

Well, My wife and I just voted. We are in a "swing" state so our vote might actualy count for something this time.

[Flying Scotsman]

An International viewpoint. America was a beacon of democracy until about 1960. Since then we have seen the status of this great country become mired in issues that have dragged it down. Vietnam not winnable..the French said good luck. Iraq version 1 and 2 a littany of lies and deception. Afganhistan...the Russians said good luck. After the horror of 9/11 a country that is very scared and adopts draconian measures on their citizens. Let us hope that whoever is elected will make the USA a country that is once more admired and not looked at with disdain.

Douggie

[Steven Vaccaro]

My buddies driving by a polling station in Maine, a big crowd was waving Obama signs and chanting "Obama". He stops his car, drops the window and says "I can't afford to stand around waving a sign, I have to work in order to pay my own bills!". lol

By the way neither he or I make remotely close to the so called Obama $120k or whatever it is a year tax rate increase. We just totally disagree with the government giving out checks to people that don't pay into the system in the first place.

[RCprince]

An International viewpoint. America was a beacon of democracy until about 1960. Since then we have seen the status of this great country become mired in issues that have dragged it down. Vietnam not winnable..the French said good luck. Iraq version 1 and 2 a littany of lies and deception. Afganhistan...the Russians said good luck. After the horror of 9/11 a country that is very scared and adopts draconian measures on their citizens. Let us hope that whoever is elected will make the USA a country that is once more admired and not looked at with disdain.

Douggie


Agreed

[Bill-SOCAL]

Steven, this story has been around for weeks now. Yes, many on the right have "buddies" who saw Obama supporters standing around because we all know that all Obama supporters are lazy out of work bums who are waiting to take your money and live on the public dole.

You honestly believe that???

For the record, I am not lazy nor a bum and I WILL pay more taxes under Obama's plan, and some of that money will go to you. Odd, I don't think less of you for that.

Ironic isn't it?? You do not support him and will benefit from his tax plan. I will be hurt by his tax plan and have money taken from me to give to you and yet I support him. Why? Because this is not about me. It is about this country and sometimes the needs of the few (top 5% of wage earners) are out weighed by the needs of the many.

[RCprince]

To understand one's creation, one must first understand it's creator. OUTFOXED : Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&ei=dqAQSfmDLYruqAKP2ej8BA&q=rupert+murdoch

[Flying Scotsman]

I give up, is this the new CIVIL WAR

Douggie

[RCprince]

RUPERT MURDOCH ADMITS TRYING TO SHAPE PUBLIC OPINION ON IRAQ http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ruper+murdock&emb=0&aq=f#emb=0&aq=f&q=rupert%20murdoch

[Spot Me 2]

To understand one's creation, one must first understand it's creator. OUTFOXED : Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&ei=dqAQSfmDLYruqAKP2ej8BA&q=rupert+murdoch

How about breaking it down for us. I don't think most of us have 1hr and 18 min to watch it right now!

[JimClark]

We here in Washington State often get chastised for passing referendums that the Dem's don't think we voters understand what we are voting for and then they in the legislature amend.

So do you think this person really understands who she is voting for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI


:rofl::roflol::rofl:

[Spot Me 2]

I give up, is this the new CIVIL WAR

Douggie

It might end up that way.:popcorn2:

[Spot Me 2]

We here in Washington State often get chastised for passing referendums that the Dem's don't think we voters understand what we are voting for and then they in the legislature amend.

So do you think this person really understands who she is voting for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI


:rofl::roflol::rofl:

They most of over served the Koolaid at that rally!!!!!!

[Flying Scotsman]

Take the religious aspect out of these comments, as we will be here all night discussing the pros and cons of one persons God and beliefs.

Douggie

[Bill-SOCAL]

At least these people have a clear idea why they are voting as they are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0&eurl=http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/10/video_al_jazeera_covers_race_a.html

[Flying Scotsman]

I would hate to take you guys out on a millitary mission as a leader. 35% say he is a D...32% he is an R. I would take the undecided as the guys I would want to lead.

Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

At least these people have a clear idea why they are voting as they are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0&eurl=http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/10/video_al_jazeera_covers_race_a.html

Perfect Bill... let's start watching Al-Jezeera for our news now... Nope... that's not going to be slanted...

Please don't post a Michael Moore video next... guns are bad and it's the GOP's fault..... yes... we get it... :blah: :blah:


I think it's clear there are some nut-jobs on both sides... but let's be honest here... 98% of the Black Vote isn't going to Obama because of his "Ideas"... nor because they have looked at the issues and made a conscience decision as to which direction they want to take the country... So this is just one example of how plenty of people are voting one way or the other based on something OTHER than a grounded logic and understanding of the real issues or what is best for the country...

I'm guessing if I was making a video to try to make Obama's voters look bad, it wouldn't be too hard to single out enough people to put together 1-minute of YouTube footage...

[Flying Scotsman]

[QUOTE=Darin Jordan;61130]

I think it's clear there are some nut-jobs on both sides... but let's be honest here... 98% of the Black Vote isn't going to Obama because of his "Ideas"...

Darin, be careful with a statement like that in these new times, this is not the South in the 50's. There are a lot of well educated people of many races, who are very capable of making up their own minds. 98%???

Douggie

[JimClark]

Problem is seems like a vast majority of voters from probably both sides make up their minds by listening to sound bytes and talking points

[Eodman]

Do any of us really believe that whoever gets in is going to make a difference?????

[Darin Jordan]

There are a lot of well educated people of many races, who are very capable of making up their own minds. 98%???

Douggie

And I never said anything to the contrary... I was very careful with the words I chose...

Yes... the percentage has been reported to be 97 or 98% of Black Voters are voting for Obama...

If you look at the popular vote amongst the rest of the population, that value is INCREDIBLY scewed, and can only be explained in a couple of ways...
How would any of you explain it??? :confused:

[RCprince]

Northcom has announced that two more U.S. military units will be assigned for domestic homeland security missions, bringing the total number of combat ready service members operating inside the U.S. to around 4,700, as fears grow about the increasing militarization of law enforcement. George Bush "The constitution is a god darn piece of paper"... and John McCain responded "thats why I vote with him 90% of the time" the Bush administration is ignoring the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 that prohibits the use of the military for law enforcement activities.

[Darin Jordan]

Do any of us really believe that whoever gets in is going to make a difference?????

YES, I do...

Think of it this way... How much of what's going on in the US today is being blamed on George Bush?? "The ONE" is constantly blaming everything on GB...

In practical terms... the new President is going to have the opportunity to appoint at least 2 Supreme Court Justices. That in and of itself can make a large difference on the determination of legality for many things... This stuff shapes our society...

In addition, the President gets to appoint all kinds of cabinent positions, etc., and they generally direct the policies of the Nation...

Further, if we get "The ONE" up there, and he has a Democratic majority in the House and Senate, AND gets to appoint 2, maybe 3 Supreme Court Justices... He'll be the most powerful President in the history of this country.

You guys feared 'King George', as many liked to call him... Wait until the Mesiah reigns, with his "spread the wealth" agenda and desire to silence his critics... with his "need" to form a "Civilian National Security Force", with his radical relationships and economy crushing fiscal policies and plans... With his pandering to the 47million low-income voters at the expense of the rest of the 253million who actually pay taxes...

Fun times could be just around the corner...

[Darin Jordan]

the Bush administration is ignoring the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 that prohibits the use of the military for law enforcement activities.

So should he or shouldn't he have used the Military to help with Katrina or with the hurricane in Texas or ??? or ??? :glare:

[Bill-SOCAL]

Perfect Bill... let's start watching Al-Jezeera for our news now... Nope... that's not going to be slanted...
.

Despite the source, the video is what it is, or do you think they hired actors to play the part of bigoted racist McCain supporters??

and to your comment about why blacks are supporting Obama, might we also extend that logic to say that McCain is getting the racist cracker vote or doesn't that knife cut both ways??

[Bill-SOCAL]

Do any of us really believe that whoever gets in is going to make a difference?????


If I did not then I think there would be little hope for our country.

[Flying Scotsman]

This debate reminds me of when I went to school in Glasgow, Scotland. I went to a protestant school and the other cast went to a catholic school...totally insane. Many pupils of each school were brought up hating the other and there were fights outside the school grounds on many a day. Parents were mostly to blame, as they indoctrinated their children to the perils of the other side. As in politics!!
We have to become our own masters.

[RCprince]

Obama has fossilized , unified, and brought people together, there are voters coming out the wood works, Rwingers don't like that, they like to divide you on Religious ideology, Sex, Class, Race and Sexual orientation... They always bring God in it... But the Lwingers know our problems supersedes all the before mentioned.

http://www.rednecks4obama.com/attachments/Image/barackmichellewithsaratonyles_homepage.jpg

[Darin Jordan]

might we also extend that logic to say that McCain is getting the racist cracker vote or doesn't that knife cut both ways??


Sure he is... Obviously... but I'll bet that percentage is a lot less, and is certainly a lot less than the total "white" vote that is being split between McCain and Obama... You certainly aren't getting 98% of the "white" vote for McCain, are we??

And I didn't say those were actors... I said the video was slanted to portray a certain type of voter... They are obviously not just randomly chosen...

[Darin Jordan]

They always bring God in it... But the Lwingers know our problems supersedes all the before mentioned.

Funny... I haven't mentioned God at all that I can recall... It's NOT even part of my reasoning...

If you KNOW the problems that supersedes all else, then why are you supporting a candidate that wants to raise taxes on those entities that can bring us financially OUT of these problems, or wants to bring about 1.8 Trillion in new spending programs??? You think that's going to happen without raising taxes?? Oh, that's right, it's only going to be for the OTHER guy...

Let the chain reaction begin... :olleyes:

[RCprince]

Speaking about people leaving what difference they have behind and joining in arms to fight for what they have in common http://www.rednecks4obama.com

[RCprince]

Funny... I haven't mentioned God at all that I can recall... It's NOT even part of my reasoning...

If you KNOW the problems that supersedes all else, then why are you supporting a candidate that wants to raise taxes on those entities that can bring us financially OUT of these problems, or wants to bring about 1.8 Trillion in new spending programs??? You think that's going to happen without raising taxes?? Oh, that's right, it's only going to be for the OTHER guy...

Let the chain reaction begin... :olleyes:


Darin, things are not personal bruh... I for one is not singling anyone person out, I'm dealing with the philosophy, there is no collective movement bruh. So you can excuse your self from any further inclusion when I reference the whole :thumbup1:

[egneg]

I just voted and there wasn't any line because there isn't any public transportation in my district - I also left work a bit early to beat the after work crowd.

[Darin Jordan]

Darin, things are not personal bruh... I for one is not singling anyone person out, I'm dealing with the philosophy, there is no collective movement bruh. So you can excuse your self from any further inclusion when I reference the whole :thumbup1:


Sure... but you can't just make generalizations about the "whole" and think they'll just slide... especially when they likely aren't applicable to the majority...

[RCprince]

Funny... I haven't mentioned God at all that I can recall... It's NOT even part of my reasoning...

If you KNOW the problems that supersedes all else, then why are you supporting a candidate that wants to raise taxes on those entities that can bring us financially OUT of these problems, or wants to bring about 1.8 Trillion in new spending programs??? You think that's going to happen without raising taxes?? Oh, that's right, it's only going to be for the OTHER guy...

Let the chain reaction begin... :olleyes:


Well, Darin to answer your Question I first voted in 1988, an in the 20 years that have past 2 Republican Presidents have destroyed this country and the happened to be Father and Son, the father and his other son Neil Bush with his S&L scandal (Real Estate) And Now this Son with the government, no better yet the world in total economical collapse, it seems every time it gets bigger and better with these guys(Sorry Jeb Bush your brother ruined it for you).

However in between both offending parties there were a utopia called President Clinton... where my cash flow was running like the Mississippi River breaching it's banks. We are always gonna pay taxes, I don't have a problem with paying taxes, But I do have a problem with how MY money I work for is spent.

[Flying Scotsman]

Well, Darin to answer your Question I first voted in 1988, an in the 20 years that have past 2 Republican Presidents have destroyed this country and the happened to be Father and Son, the father and his other son Neil Bush with his S&L scandal (Real Estate) And Now this Son with the government, no better yet the world in total economical collapse, it seems every time it gets bigger and better with these guys(Sorry Jeb Bush your brother ruined it for you).

However in between both offending parties there were a utopia called President Clinton... where my cash flow was running like the Mississippi River breaching it's banks. We are always gonna pay taxes, I don't have a problem with paying taxes, But I do have a problem with how MY money I work for is spent.

And no DECIFIT. My God, do you guys know what you owe today

[Darin Jordan]

However in between both offending parties there were a utopia called President Clinton... where my cash flow was running like the Mississippi River breaching it's banks.

But this shows exactly where you appear to be out of touch.... Clinton was a "middle-right" President... much like John McCain is...

Also, this economic situation we are in right now is largely due to the mortage industry crisis, and that can clearly and almost completely be attributed to policies put in place by Jimmy Carter, perpetuated by Bill Clinton (He admitted this on ABC news...), and sent through to final fruition by the Democrats in Congress and the Senate in 2005/6...

All this time, the GOP warned and tried to put forth legislation to correct the problem, each time stopped by the Democrats...

WHERE are those "Republican's" that are responsible?? WHY are there not hearings, and committees investigating the situation and bringing those at fault to justice?? If there WERE Republican's that they could stick this to, don't you think they would have by now???

But of course, they aren't going to bring any charges against Barney Frank, or Pelosi, or Sam Reed, or Reigns... They're Dems... and the Dems control the "investigation" of this stuff right now... :olleyes:



We are always gonna pay taxes, I don't have a problem with paying taxes, But I do have a problem with how MY money I work for is spent.


Well, you must not have too much trouble with it because you are voting for someone who is going to spend it ALL over the place... I'm willing to bet that you definately aren't going to agree with where much of it gets spent...

Meanwhile, McCain is promising to cut spending, and he actually has a track record of DOING IT!

You can't say that about Obama... He's promised to spend, and has a track record, albiet slight, showing that's just what he'll do...

[Flying Scotsman]

[QUOTE=Darin Jordan;61159]Also, this economic situation we are in right now is largely due to the mortage industry crisis, and that can clearly and almost completely be attributed to policies put in place by Jimmy Carter, perpetuated by Bill Clinton (He admitted this on ABC news...), and sent through to final fruition by the Democrats in Congress and the Senate in 2005/6...

Darin that is rubbish. The crisis is due to some very silly idiots in the banking industry and equity markets who said you want cash, bring your wheelbarrow round the back...you are not working..not a problem

Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

Darin that is rubbish. The crisis is due to some very silly idiots in the banking industry and equity markets who said you want cash, bring your wheelbarrow round the back...you are not working..not a problem

Douggie


Douggie, you need to do more research... You aren't correct here. This has all been previously hashed out in this thread above somewhere...

The Democrats decided to play affirmative action with the mortgage system, and, with the help of groups like Acorn, etc., "regulated" (forced) banks to provide stupid amounts of money in bad loans that they KNEW people wouldn't be able to pay back... "Community Reinvestment Act" in google would be a good place to start...

[RCprince]

Darin, bruh, come on... This crisis is due to banks being extremely greedy, They gave people mortgages who could not clearly afford them in hope to have them go in foreclosure so they could flip the homes again, but they flood the market with so many over extended buyers that the market collapsed and there were no one to buy the foreclosed homes.

[Flying Scotsman]

Douggie, you need to do more research... You aren't correct here. This has all been previously hashed out in this thread above somewhere...

The Democrats decided to play affirmative action with the mortgage system, and, with the help of groups like Acorn, etc., "regulated" (forced) banks to provide stupid amounts of money in bad loans that they KNEW people wouldn't be able to pay back... "Community Reinvestment Act" in google would be a good place to start...

Darin, a simplification of the problem but it is valid and unfoturtunatly the World followed suit. Iceland is now bankrupt and there are many other countries teetering on the brink

Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

Darin, bruh, come on... This crisis is due to banks being extremely greedy, They gave people mortgages who could not clearly afford them in hope to have them go in foreclosure so they could flip the homes again, but they flood the market with so many over extended buyers that the market collapsed and there were no one to buy the foreclosed homes.

Maybe in part this is the case, but this is NOT the overlying cause... There is a mountain of information available that clearly shows the root of all this, and it's not just those evil, greedy bankers...

There are several banks that avoided this mess, because they refused to participate in these government pushed programs.

No sense arguing about it now... it's done... but you guys need to "blame" the right people... You'll find they are the ones currently pointing fingers and promising to FIX it all for you, if you just "believe" and have "hope"...

[Spot Me 2]

Time to start seeing some results!!!???!!!

[Spot Me 2]

And no DECIFIT. My God, do you guys know what you owe today

Yes, many trillions of dollars. Mostly to our biggest stockholder, China.
Hey, since China owns the most stock(bonds), does that mean they own the US????????

[Spot Me 2]

Keep an eye on Vigo county in Indiana. Its where Terre Huate is and they have called every Presidential election, but 2!

http://news.aol.com/elections/2008/state/in

[highndry]

Same with Missouri, who always votes for the victor.

Its looking like if he doesnt pull our state ( FL) its going to be academic.....

Think I'll go bury my jack in a mayonaise jar.

[obrien]

Well, first, they are not MY thoughts, they are quotes from some pretty well known people, so I fail to see why anyone would have a problem. Perhaps you missed the citations at the end of each one.

It is amusing however that you seem to be of the mind that somebody should not feel free to express themselves for fear of retribution. Why is it that this type of comment always comes from the right.

BTW, I am a veteran, and two of my brothers and my father also served their country. And one of my brother's is still in the reserve and is stationed outside Tikrit in an Army trucking unit. He drives in convoys on some of the most dangerous roads in the world.

Oh well. SOrry I broke my promise to stay out of this. Once again you have shown the futility of trying to present an opposing opinion.



those may not have been your thoughts, however you felt the need to post them. regardless of who said them originally doesn't mean people will agree with them or think there is nothing wrong with them.

how do you come up with the idea that believe should not feel free to express their opinions. apperently you need to look in the mirror.

good for you for serving in the military. Just because I didn't, doesn't mean a damn thing. My brother, my father, and my grandfather all served in wars for this country. I may not have joined the military, but if it was necessary I would not have a problem doing so.


ps, quit getting your panties in a wad because most of us refuse to be fooled by obama, or agree with you

[RCprince]

I can hear myself think here!!

[Eodman]

I keep asking myself will my family & I be better off 2 years from now with Obama Or Mc Cain ---- I can't seem to find the answer to that!

And that my friends is what drives my vote!

[RCprince]

I keep asking myself will my family & I be better off 2 years from now with Obama Or Mc Cain ---- I can't seem to find the answer to that!

And that my friends is what drives my vote!


Dude they are basically the same, the thing is Obama brings people together so hopefully we have a better change of pooling our ideas

[Darin Jordan]

Dude they are basically the same, the thing is Obama brings people together so hopefully we have a better change of pooling our ideas

Dude... you are serious, aren't you??

Hitler brought people together... What exactly does that mean? A bunch of people "coming together" to "hope" for a "better change"??? What the heck does that mean??

I feel like America has just decided today to vote away it's freedom and way of life... Apparently hard work and striving for goals has become too much for them, so it's time to just sit back and let others do the work...

If this keeps going the way it looks like it's going, then I fear that this day will prove to be the true beginning of the end for the American way of life.

And yes, right now, I'm very serious about that...

I hope I'm proven wrong...

[RCprince]

Hitler wasn't the only one who brought people together, whats your obsession with Hitler, Stop being a pessimist, become and opportunist, see the opportunity in the moment!!

[RCprince]

Even Foxnews is jumping on the Bandwagon....

[obrien]

where is the opportunity?

[Darin Jordan]

where is the opportunity?

You mean you didn't hear the lady on the video posted above talk about how she won't have to worry about paying her mortgage or putting gas in her car??? :olleyes:

Looking forward to what my Kids get to go through now and also wondering what he meant when he said "will be asked to serve" in regards to "volunteer" "opportunities"...

[RCprince]

http://www.bestanimations.com/Holidays/Fireworks/Fireworks-02-june.gif

[NorthernBoater]

And no DECIFIT. My God, do you guys know what you owe today

Congress approves our budget not the President.

[RCprince]

That crap is trivial, stop taking people moments and using it against them... that was her moment to express it how she chose and knew best. Change is the only Constant!

[obrien]

lol right. Yeah she is so smart, she felt it was better to take her kids out of school to go support something they won't understand for years. Well I quess I can alteast be proud of the fact I didn't vote for that POS, and I will be able to say I told you so.

[RCprince]

I'm proud of John McCain... he is an American Hero... it's those damn vagabonds who followed him.

[RCprince]

lol right. Yeah she is so smart, she felt it was better to take her kids out of school to go support something they won't understand for years. Well I quess I can alteast be proud of the fact I didn't vote for that POS, and I will be able to say I told you so.

You'll never understand, so it's pointless to explain! "POS" you probably, as a matter of fact you can't stand in the mans shoes.

[obrien]

Are you sure you want to go there. How about a little FU! I would never want to stand in the shoes of someone like him. Its clear that you are quite the fool to believe the crap he has spread and that people like her have any intelligence.

[RCprince]

Spill Milk,Water under the Bridge... You now have a New President, He won under the guidelines and stipulations set by the Constitution, accept it and move on... The USS Right Winger Will Be Disembarking 6am sharp tomorrow... Hopefully it's maiden voyage won't suffer the same faith as the Titanic.

[Avanti]

I'm F@@@ing discusted not with the vote itself, but our system
bo 51% McCain 49% so far pretty close pop vote
but the electoral is a landslide bo 338 Mc 155

you people got your wish, we'll see what you have to say about it in a year or two.

[obrien]

I quess it will be ok to no longer have any moral values with the liberal stance that country has taken.

you can bet that I will never claim him as my president.

in a year or two there probably won't be anything left

[ace028]

Avanti, I agree. Lets just hope that Obama turns out to be better then we think he will be, though I probably have better chances of being a millionare then him being a good president. Nothing we can do now though, except prepare ourselves for the worst!

[Avanti]

oh what a little WHITE guilt will get you these days

[RCprince]

I quess it will be ok to no longer have any moral values with the liberal stance that country has taken.

you can bet that I will never claim him as my president.

in a year or two there probably won't be anything left


That's the problem, morality begins with you... Take the log out of your own eyes... Stop the Negative sh*t... that's why the young generation voted you out, that mindset has got to go.

[RCprince]

oh what a little WHITE guilt will get you these days

You have no reason to feel guilty, No reason at all...

[Avanti]

I don't, I love being WHITE, mostly I love being Italian, but white is a cool side effect

oh btw morality starts with M not you

[Avanti]

http://www.hemptopia.org/images/ib1.jpg

[RCprince]

I don't, I love being WHITE, mostly I love being Italian, but white is a cool side effect

oh btw morality starts with M not you

I'll let you have your moment

[obrien]

That's the problem, morality begins with you... Take the log out of your own eyes... Stop the Negative sh*t... that's why the young generation voted you out, that mindset has got to go.


um, I am the younger generation. the young generation voted for bo becuase all they hear in school is liberal professors blabbing their mouths. Most of the young generation don't work yet, so they have not grasped the concept of working hard to earn what is yours, not to give it away to a lazy a$$ who wants to sit back have babies and collect a check from the government every month.

[ghostofpf1]

Avaanti At least you are keeping your sense of humor about you.:beerchug:Some of these people seem serious about Obama being the downfall of western civilization :bounce:
Ghost

[obrien]

oh what a little WHITE guilt will get you these days

yeah because we all know it was only yesteray that we had slaves in this country.

[Avanti]

I am going to forward all my bills to the white house for my government cheese topping

[obrien]

lol. did you see the videos yet of the black panthers intimidating voters up in philly

[Avanti]

thanks ghost

link us obrien

[obrien]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg&eurl=http://www.gmfullsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131604&page=157

I just saw this, didn't take long for this one to come about. lol

http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/

[Avanti]

they have complete control now, I can't wait to see what happens to the economy when they make their changes

http://news.google.com/?ned=us&topic=el

[RCprince]

Hey, how many of you are selling your property, I'm buying.

[obrien]

hopefully they don't get complete control of the senate.

[Avanti]

look at that link I posted they have a full house

prince you can buy my place I've been trying to sell

[obrien]

I was lucky enough to get my condo sold a couple of months ago. you can buy up Avanti's house. I know he would love to move.

well hell we really are screwed now. hopefully the supreme court justices can hang tight long enough to get through bo's term.

[RCprince]

We're going for a Royal flush, Operation Clorox!!

[Avanti]

that would be
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51aTNtQamrL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[obrien]

these damn liberals are spreading like cockroaches. they have even mananged to ruin NC

[RCprince]

Our Socialist program will take money from the rich to pay for all those who'd like to leave!!

[RCprince]

these damn liberals are spreading like cockroaches. they have even mananged to ruin NC

I love that word liberal let me see, Liberate, liberty, liberation, liberating... hmm, I love it

[RCprince]

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/ww/news/2008/11/04/obama-win-2-xo-spirit.jpg We are the UNITED STATES of AMERICA

[Avanti]

Our Socialist program will take money from the rich to pay for all those who'd like to leave!!

please explain how the people getting the gov't/cheese are the ones leaving

[obrien]

lets just keep taking away our rights.

[Darin Jordan]

Avanti... don't worry... In a year or maybe less... many, MANY people are going to wake up and feel like they have a VERY large hangover, and it'll hit them what they have done...

I'm moving forward with high-hopes that I'm just completely off-base and that BO will step up and be the great leader that all these clowns, err... I mean "educated" people, have been told he's going to be...

Right now... they're willing to follow anyone who will lead them to the "promised land"... and out of hell itself into "prosperity", whatever that's going to mean in the future...

History repeats itself... and humans never seem to learn from the lessons of the past... and so it goes...

Please, Lord... let me be SOOOO wrong about all this...

Doesn't happen often... but apparently there is "Hope" that things will "Change", so perhaps I will be this time... For all our sakes I sure hope so...

[RCprince]

Avanti... don't worry... In a year or maybe less... many, MANY people are going to wake up and feel like they have a VERY large hangover, and it'll hit them what they have done...

I'm moving forward with high-hopes that I'm just completely off-base and that BO will step up and be the great leader that all these clowns, err... I mean "educated" people, have been told he's going to be...

Right now... they're willing to follow anyone who will lead them to the "promised land"... and out of hell itself into "prosperity", whatever that's going to mean in the future...

History repeats itself... and humans never seem to learn from the lessons of the past... and so it goes...

Please, Lord... let me be SOOOO wrong about all this...

Doesn't happen often... but apparently there is "Hope" that things will "Change", so perhaps I will be this time... For all our sakes I sure hope so...

If people didn't wake up for the past 8 years, you expect them to wake up now, We was in a nation of the living dead... Until GOD Brought Obama our way... lol

[obrien]

how about we keep letting the illegals in, and giving them free health care, education, ect. or better yet, lets allow violent criminals to live but allow late term abortion.

[Darin Jordan]

lets just keep taking away our rights.

It's been said that this will be one of the first things they go after...

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20174500

And then of course the afformentioned "Fairness Doctrine", to silence the Conservative voice...

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0212-03.htm

[Avanti]

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[obrien]

If people didn't wake up for the past 8 years, you expect them to wake up now, We was in a nation of the living dead... Until GOD Brought Obama our way... lol

yep, just like Farrakhan says, the Messiah

[obrien]

It's been said that this will be one of the first things they go after...

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20174500

And then of course the afformentioned "Fairness Doctrine", to silence the Conservative voice...

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0212-03.htm

I won't be suprised to seem them move right through the bill of rights.

[Avanti]

barry being half black will help him move right through thing quickly. they are playing the race card like crazy, just like tiger woods. Mothers get no credit.

[teach]

What a bunch of trash.

[RCprince]

Most people Realized the R in Republican stands for racist a long time ago, and I'm proud that Kids today are not allowing their parents mis-education to become their mis-education... you guys are like dinosaurs and your gonna suffer the same faith. Alcohol, and Politics will always reveal your true colors. No matter how subtle you may try reveal it, it's like perspiration no matter how much GOD deodorant you put on, The odor is pungent.

[Avanti]

Yup I'm just an old racist, you have a way of making thing read the way you want them too.
I wonder if rev wright likes obama's momma

[RCprince]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/november-4-2008.jpg Change