New item TFL Outdrive and motor assembly.

[Steven Vaccaro]

I have these in red or titanium. they will be on the site later today.
$199.95 includes the 2860 size 2200kv motor

[Meniscus]

Steven, what size is the prop shaft?

[Steven Vaccaro]

Steven, what size is the prop shaft?

4mm
Here is a link
http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=ose-B42515

[kwiktsi]

Hmm, how big overall? Would be kind of cool to build a twin cat with these but need something with a flat transom. What size hull would you say for twins? Thanks.

[fox88gt]

They sure look cool! I wonder if a pair of them could power my 55" Dumas Scarab that I've been sitting on for years.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Hmm, how big overall? Would be kind of cool to build a twin cat with these but need something with a flat transom. What size hull would you say for twins? Thanks.

Id say something in the 30" area.

a 55" would need the arrow shark gas outdrives with an electric motor.

[kwiktsi]

Cool, thanks for the info. Have any ideas for a 30" cat hull with a flat transom lol?

[DCMW]

Aeromarine makes a few flat back good looking cats..Id use the Mean Machine. I have a 31" Proboat cat they would work perfect on:)

[Luck as a Constant]

Yup. Mean machine all day


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[tlandauer]

Beautifully made! I like your shop!:rockon2:
Would be lovely if there is a way to make them CCW so a twin can be build with props spinning the opposite direction!:w00t:

[DCMW]

Um you could just spin the motor opposite of the other and get a L/R prop???



Beautifully made! I like your shop!:rockon2:
Would be lovely if there is a way to make them CCW so a twin can be build with props spinning the opposite direction!:w00t:

[tlandauer]

Um you could just spin the motor opposite of the other and get a L/R prop???

Not really, if they don't provide CCW flex cable, you will unravel the cable. Assuming they use cable to transfer energy from motor to prop shaft.....
I am making this a point because I want to build a twin Out Board Pursuit and i have the TFL mini OB, the problem is no one makes a custom CCW cable for that unit, it is square end 4 mm cable. I have been researching and so far no luck, therefore I am flying Multi Rotor Quads to kill my time . lol.....

[DCMW]

Yea if its run by flex you would need a counter rotating flex but sure does look like a gear driven unit to me...

[tlandauer]

Yea if its run by flex you would need a counter rotating flex but sure does look like a gear driven unit to me...
Well, that would be awesome. I don't want to get my expectations too high. lol.........

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[DCMW]

I mean look,at how the engine sits on the mount at basically a 90deg angle, hard to get a flex shaft to last that sharp of an "S" bend like that. I bet it's bevel gear driven like the Arrowshark unit, just a smaller version.

[tlandauer]

I mean look,at how the engine sits on the mount at basically a 90deg angle, hard to get a flex shaft to last that sharp of an "S" bend like that. I bet it's bevel gear driven like the Arrowshark unit, just a smaller version.

Yeah, exactly, this crossed my mind, but I didn't want to speculate, guess we will wait for Steven to clarify. :popcorn2:
Since it sounds like you are familiar with the more expensive Arrowshark unit which I am not, are the bevel gears machined in such a way that it can only go one direction? :noidea:

[DCMW]

No the gears in the AS unit are straight cut, so you can spin them either way.

[DCMW]

Straight from arrowsharks website:
The M8 gear set is not machined from just standard hardened alloy, but from alloys made with a compacting process of powder metallurgy; this is the same technology used for gears in full size automotive transmissions.
The gears have thicker and stronger teeth designed to permit engines up to 10hp to be used for blistering speeds. As well, the gear design allows for counter-rotation when you go for the ultimate and fit twin M8 drives on your boat.

SO if it's made like the AS unit we are good to go:)

[tlandauer]

Awesome, thanks for the info! :rockon2:

[DCMW]

Hopefully it's gear driven:)

[tlandauer]

Hi Steven and moderators,
I just realized I got carried away a bit , please delete my posts if you deem necessary, I didn't mean to go off topic here in the TFL product thread.
I love these units BTW, they are as I said earlier beautifully made and I have to find a hull to do justice to them! :buttrock:

[axel]

Not really, if they don't provide CCW flex cable, you will unravel the cable. Assuming they use cable to transfer energy from motor to prop shaft.....
I am making this a point because I want to build a twin Out Board Pursuit and i have the TFL mini OB, the problem is no one makes a custom CCW cable for that unit, it is square end 4 mm cable. I have been researching and so far no luck, therefore I am flying Multi Rotor Quads to kill my time . lol.....

4mm counter rotating Flex with square end you get from TFL

[Steven Vaccaro]

yes the gears are straight cuts. here is a parts diagram.

[cybercrxt]

Wow, so they really are gear driven, and it looks like all solid shafts, so no need to worry about unraveling a cable!

[kwiktsi]

That's what I was assuming as well based on the shape of it all. Good to know it really is gear driven. Wheels are turning for this. I'd think they'd be a little small for mean machine, no? I'd like a more scale looking hull though. Maybe even a twin pursuit instead of a cat?

[Monica Smith]

Yea if its run by flex you would need a counter rotating flex but sure does look like a gear driven unit to me...

You may absolutely correct, Mr DCMW! Keep an eye on here, you will find out the truth. :--)

[revoltrunner]

You may absolutely correct, Mr DCMW! Keep an eye on here, you will find out the truth. :--)

Monica
can you post the dimensions of the unit.
Thanks

[tlandauer]

4mm counter rotating Flex with square end you get from TFL
Hey, thanks!
I will ask, last when I investigated, the strands are not identical, they don't feel the same in my hands. I would have gone nuts with that situation. But may be just the one I got?:noidea:

[tlandauer]

yes the gears are straight cuts. here is a parts diagram.

Wow, Steven, thanks for clearing this up! :rockon2::rockon2:

[tlandauer]

Monica! Greetings! Good to "see" you again! :banana:
TFL is looking great!:rockon2: Say hi to Mr. Ke for me!!

[Brushless55]

Maybe two of these on my ProBoat Shockwave 36 could be killer ! :w00t:
I want to convert it to electric and this could be the units

[78MaicoRider]

Would you set these up to be surface drive? The centerline of the prop shaft even with the ride pad/bottom of hull? If so and depending on the dimensions, it's possible a single unit could be used on a small cat. That would look real cool and corner awesome.

[cybercrxt]

Just got in my pair. Thanks Steven! I am very happy with the quality of the exterior. If the gears are hardnened and done well, I see no reason these should not work very well on a 30" hull, or maybe a 30-35" twin setup. I will take mine apart asap, but I am using them in a display hull, Dumas Type S Scarab, 30" hull, and should look great, but doubt I will run them. Mike

[cybercrxt]

I have gotten some request for measurements, so here they are guys! These things are cool. I don't even care if they function...I would buy them for a static model any day! haha

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e324/spoonefcrx/20150706_130943_zpsxbslzuaj.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e324/spoonefcrx/20150706_131035_zpssnhnomf4.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e324/spoonefcrx/20150706_130958_zpsazgirmzm.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e324/spoonefcrx/20150706_131003_zpslfmfgz8s.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e324/spoonefcrx/20150706_131020_zpsfjygpav6.jpg

[Darin Jordan]

I would buy two of these units FIRST, and then just find a quality hull to mate them to! I agree with you, Mike... these are VERY COOL!

[cybercrxt]

Definitely Darin, I plan on giving the company feedback once I look inside them more. I want this company to have the info they need to make these units easy for their customers to use and maintain. I was already told by good friend/ boat mechanic that purchased two of these, that the grease needed to properly protect the gears, would be Lubriplate 105...and I agree with him. Its a grease/oil mix that keeps water out and will help protect the gears. I really really want to see more things like this for the hobby industry. Getting back to realistic is a must! Mike

[revoltrunner]

I would buy two of these units FIRST, and then just find a quality hull to mate them to! I agree with you, Mike... these are VERY COOL!

Darin , put a pair of them on a Voracity.

[Brushless55]

Definitely Darin, I plan on giving the company feedback once I look inside them more. I want this company to have the info they need to make these units easy for their customers to use and maintain. I was already told by good friend/ boat mechanic that purchased two of these, that the grease needed to properly protect the gears, would be Lubriplate 105...and I agree with him. Its a grease/oil mix that keeps water out and will help protect the gears. I really really want to see more things like this for the hobby industry. Getting back to realistic is a must! Mike

Love the scale stuff !

[Meniscus]

Alright Mike, since you are sharing, how much adjustment is there?

[cybercrxt]

3 degrees up, 3 degrees down!

[Monica Smith]

Monica! Greetings! Good to "see" you again! :banana:
TFL is looking great!:rockon2: Say hi to Mr. Ke for me!!

Hello Tim, how are you doing? Nice to meet you, here again, oo. No problem, will pass your words to TFL owner!

[Monica Smith]

Hi guys, here is the diagram of P1 drive system dimenssion,

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[Brushless55]

is the gear ratio 1 to 1 ?

[axel]

Hi guys, here is the diagram of P1 drive system dimenssion,

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Hi Monica
is the pricing of the spares also avaible so that we can calculate the support ?

[cybercrxt]

Gear ratio is 1 to 1 as I took the unit apart last night. The gears look to be case hardened judging by the black coloring on the steel gears. They are straight cut, and seem to mesh very well. One thing I suggest everyone do, is take the unit apart, and thoroughly clean out the gears themselves and inside the lower unit housing. I found various metal shavings lodged in between the teeth. It is just machining scraps, but needs removal, or it will damage the gearset. The lower 2 gears seem to be sealed decently from the outside elements, but the top two are not. The top cap is just that, a cap. Myself, and a friend that bought two of these are looking into drilling and taping the lower unit to create a fill port, sealing off the top cap with silicone or rtv, and drilling a hole to port the top gears with the bottom gears through the caviation plate...fill the lower unit unit the grease come out of the top cap vent, then plugging the holes with Allen set screws. Keeping water out, is vital tho. This is something that really should be addressed by the manufacturer, but we can all make the unit reliable, its not that difficult, it would just be nicer if the top cap was sealed and drain screws tapped...but for $199.99...I am definitely not complaining!

[mappo]

Id say something in the 30" area.

a 55" would need the arrow shark gas outdrives with an electric motor.

Would these drives be able to handle bigger motors?

[Tanner Basch]

Id say something in the 30" area.

What about a 46inch hull

[srislash]

It says 42mm prop max. My twin AC Lazer 40 goes real good with the 442's(48mph). Other than that I think it would be a personal take on the scale look and size for a hull. I agree with Darin, one should grab a couple then pick out the hull. Maybe that 36" fountain P1.

[ls1fst98]

It looks like a quick mod with a dremel you could accommodate a larger prop. Doesn't appear to need much to clear. I'm also wondering about the durability if you would put a 36 or 40mm can on these.

[Tanner Basch]

If i ran 2 of these on a shockwave 36 would you guys recomend a 40mm 3 blade or 2 blade prop
Thanks

[srislash]

If i ran 2 of these on a shockwave 36 would you guys recomend a 40mm 3 blade or 2 blade prop
Thanks
A set of three blades would be smoother on the drivetrain.

[Tanner Basch]

Sorry guys for all the questions im kinda new to this. I kinda want a scale look not really speed, but will a set of 4 blades be to much?

[gb tiggycat]

Definitely Darin, I plan on giving the company feedback once I look inside them more. I want this company to have the info they need to make these units easy for their customers to use and maintain. I was already told by good friend/ boat mechanic that purchased two of these, that the grease needed to properly protect the gears, would be Lubriplate 105...and I agree with him. Its a grease/oil mix that keeps water out and will help protect the gears. I really really want to see more things like this for the hobby industry. Getting back to realistic is a must! Mike

I must agree that scale like boats are the way to go! I especially like boats up to about 36" long, as at my age they are easy to handle. I really must think about buying one of these drives then find a suitable hull (Challenger 31? ) This is the sort of look that I go for (jf the photo works!)




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[SlickZERO]

I can't seem to find it. How many cells? What is the Kv?

[Tanner Basch]

Would you run these surface or subsurface

[Steven Vaccaro]

I can't seem to find it. How many cells? What is the Kv?

its for 3s lipo.
http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=ose-B42515

[Tanner Basch]

can i run 2 of these on 3s or 4s on a 46 inch hull

[riflemanbtx]

someone should try this on 4S, my old TLF outer limits is a dog on 3S barely gets on plane... If it'll run 4 i'm sold. one quick question, if I could mount around a 2000kv motor to it, would 4S be possible?

[axel]

Well the specs say yes

[riflemanbtx]

whats the max RPM this drive system can possibly handle?

[axel]

whats the max RPM this drive system can possibly handle?

why dont you read the specs before you ask?

[riflemanbtx]

Where are the specs with this specific information located? If I knew where this was I wouldn't have to ask! Make sense?

[axel]

http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=ose-B42515

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[Steven Vaccaro]

For now we are going to stick with saying to stay with 3s. TFL and a couple of customers have reported to us that the gears are wearing quicker than they should have. The company that made the gears didnt make them to the original TFL specifications. TFL will be replacing the gears for free and sending them to any customers that have purchased from OSE. Im not sure how long this will take. But Ill update as soon as I know. Sorry about this.

[riflemanbtx]

I was thinking the gears would be the weak link. That's why I was asking. I looked over the link provided, but the info I wanted wasn't there, as I was looking for the max rpm before failure of components according to manufacturing speced failure point tested. Basically was it originally planned to push to 35k? Or max at 29k rpm before component failure.

[axel]

the rpm isn´t the problem - the torque is the problem

[gb tiggycat]

I was thinking the gears would be the weak link. That's why I was asking. I looked over the link provided, but the info I wanted wasn't there, as I was looking for the max rpm before failure of components according to manufacturing speced failure point tested. Basically was it originally planned to push to 35k? Or max at 29k rpm before component failure.

Does any manufacturer actually publish information on where their product will fail ?. If they have any sense, they will publish a max rpm or whatever quite a bit short of failure point, at which their unit will run consistently without damage. Even if you say the max is 35k, you know someone will run it at 36k then complain when it breaks

[boilo56]

No manifacturer will tell the breaking point of there products, it is not the best selling argument. Imagine a car seller that tells you,'' your brand new car will break at 12000 km if you go more than 100 km/h!''. Would you buy from them? The specs are for normal usage, not for breaking point. My 2 cents.

[nichismo]

When will more of these be in?

[Steven Vaccaro]

I hope soon. Waiting on tfl to make the next batch.

[cybercrxt]

I wonder if any more of these outdrives will ever be made?

[Steven Vaccaro]

I wonder if any more of these outdrives will ever be made?

I have 30 headed my way and another batch already scheduled for after that.

[cybercrxt]

Good, I would like to get another pair. I just mounted the first pair on a 40" Wellcraft Excallibur. They look great! Mike

[nichismo]

Steve, if we pay in advance can we reserve ourselves a unit or 2?

[Steven Vaccaro]

yes I can do that. send me an email steven@offshoreelectrics.com and I can arrange it.

[Dave102]

It would be nice to see a scale outboard built using this lower unit. I wonder if there is any possibility of something like that coming in the future?

[Steven Vaccaro]

It would be nice to see a scale outboard built using this lower unit. I wonder if there is any possibility of something like that coming in the future?


Dave Ill have these in about 2 weeks along with the next batch of drives

http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=ose-80250-1126

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[befu]

Good, I would like to get another pair. I just mounted the first pair on a 40" Wellcraft Excallibur. They look great! Mike

These look plenty large on the back of a 40" scarab (Dumas 1429 model). This one I notched the transom on to make the boat seem smaller when running due to one out runner in it, actually did well as a fun running boat. I still have the part I cut out, so i think I will change it back to no notch. The paper mockups show that these would do nicely for a 1/8 scale copy of my 1:1 scale Formula 272. A bit long compared to the Alpha drives, but still really scale looking.

This is a bit far down the project list, so not going to order a set yet. But wanted to throw this out there for anyone wondering what size hull a pair of these would fit on. 40" or a little bigger seems to work out nicely. Very very nice addition to the drive options!!!!

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[Steven Vaccaro]

These look plenty large on the back of a 40" scarab (Dumas 1429 model). This one I notched the transom on to make the boat seem smaller when running due to one out runner in it, actually did well as a fun running boat. I still have the part I cut out, so i think I will change it back to no notch. The paper mockups show that these would do nicely for a 1/8 scale copy of my 1:1 scale Formula 272. A bit long compared to the Alpha drives, but still really scale looking.

This is a bit far down the project list, so not going to order a set yet. But wanted to throw this out there for anyone wondering what size hull a pair of these would fit on. 40" or a little bigger seems to work out nicely. Very very nice addition to the drive options!!!!

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Looks nice with twins. I think you put a single on there it would both get lost on the transom and be under-powered.

[cybercrxt]

They would definitely be perfect in size for the Dumas Scarab 40. I plan on using a pair on a Dumas CF40 as soon as the hull arrives.

Here they are mounted on my Wellcraft Excalibur Cat and look about right. That hull is 40" as well. Mike

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e324/spoonefcrx/AMPS%20Formula%20Wellcraft/20151112_202049_zpspihu9tu2.jpg

[bonefisher]

Love the look of these... anyone know if the OSE will offer a hull with these in the near future? Something scale hopefully...

Also, twins should counter rotate pretty easily just switching motor direction?

Looks like a great product once they get the gears figured out...

[pistol18]

Any idea what top speed is on this boat on 3S and 4S?


Dave Ill have these in about 2 weeks along with the next batch of drives

http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=ose-80250-1126

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[Espresso]

TFL. Please make a larger version of this drive for a 50"+ hull. Better yet, keep it simple and make it a steerable direct drive. Less maintenance for us plus we can run at a higher RPM.

http://photos.imageevent.com/justaddwata/morerc/otherpeoplespics/bigapaches/huge/13%20Detailansicht%20der%20beiden%20Antriebe.JPG

http://photos.imageevent.com/justaddwata/morerc/otherpeoplespics/bigapaches/huge/14%20Detailansicht.JPG

[Checkmateguy01]

I'd just like to know how these drives are working in the real world so far?? I have an old 30" Dumas mono that would look great with the P1 Drive on the back, but i think 3S might be a little boring, but could be fun when the lake it a little to chopped up for the faster boats. Still, i would love to run 4S most of the time with out worrying about the drives reliability!