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JimClark
09-27-2008, 12:16 AM
Here is a very good option instead of bailing out private companies.

http://www.daveramsey.com/tdrs/index.cfm/2008/9/23/Fix-the-bailout-with-mark-to-market

Jim

ice329
09-27-2008, 12:39 AM
What there doing is nuts. Why not creat a program for any american. the government will give you a loan for a property and offer it on the cheap just like there buying them. There buying thing for like as low as 30 cents on the dollar and high as 60. now if someone offered me a 200k home for 75 and would give me a note a a nice low 2 or 3 percent I would grab one or two or three properties and I am sure a lot of others would to. Why are they taking up all these assets to sell off later.. I just think its nuts all the while taxpayers are putting up the bill.

The other things that is absoluty nuts is why wont they just make a electric car and do it now, freaking hire Traxxas to set up a dozen places to make new age cars, charge them with solar and plug in if needed. but hell they can be great for 50 or 100 mile a day use. I just dont understand why they dont do it. Our car models scale would be way over 300 mph, and I can get 1/2 hour run scaled it to the size of a personal car with a top speed of 80 and everything will work fairly easily. design them with the same idea as the remote control cars that are already on the market. it just seems simple to me... why dont they do it

Quicksilver
09-27-2008, 01:19 AM
As far as cars go, it's a time lag thing. before katrina everyone wanted big cars, suv's, hummers. To revamp production to electric cars will take time. You gotta have the research, design, $$$$, and most importantly a cheap source of lipos.

It's like Mercedes with the s-class, almost every revolutionary technology involving lots of R&D is made by the s-class before any other car. But it comes at a price, like a $100k and then it slowly trickles down to every car, by way of production, technology and building supplies.

you want to know what I think is nuts, the disturbingly large amount of people that dont know what this economic collapse could do.

btw, I dont know if I'd want to be driving my scaled up rustler. My ear drums would blow out and I'd likely melt sitting on 10,000 GP cells j/k

ice329
09-27-2008, 09:27 AM
As far as the bailout, could go back and forth all day and it still will not fix the US we have a deeper problem with the kids of today. It seems to me we keep falling lower and lower and we need to stop bringing oil, drugs and many other things into this country that american people can not compete with the prices. I am guilty, just look at the SV27 I think its a great boat and pump it, tell me how a american small company can sell a boat like that for 279. they just cant build, market and sell them that cheap. So its a lot of things but the bail out although is probly needed it wont fix the problem

You definatly dont need a BMW electric car, just make a single seater, take YES the monster truck Idea, not so much rusler or buggy or 2wd truck design, and just do it. JUST do it. There are very few parts, the frame could be made of CF material, very little steal if at all. make it safe. The thing is they need to look away from the conventional car. If you look at the 4wd that thing could be made into a vehical that would be real cool to drive around and the brakes..what brakes it stops with the motor.. and because its all wheel dr it stops on a dime. Well to me I see it to be a easy way to get things going meaning this economy, but like you said they would tear the idea a new _ss and force big$$$ to be spent on reserch but it really dont need to. My electric scooter does 30MPH on a little regular motor, 3 little 6v batteries and it lasts for hours. You stick a good size brushless motor, a nice lipo pack with the electronics needed build the soler tape right into the body of the vehical, its doable and doable fast, maybe not everyone would want one but let me tell you I know a whole lot of people would grab one and use it instead of a gas car if not all the time.

Look at this, imagine something like this but bigger, it will need some redisign but keep the basic concept, just have it sit one or maybe two people. Again this truck scale mph it extreamly high over 300mph. I took this machine and drove it at what I thought would be 80mph, it would be one of the safest vehicals to drive, never spin a tire or flip and stops on a dime and lasted way over a 1/2 hour at 37 min I got tired of the test and stopped. They can do this to make a short run vehical

http://www.traxxas.com/products/video/3905emaxx/3905_01.htm

http://www.traxxas.com/products/video/3905emaxx/3905_04.htm

http://www.traxxas.com/products/video/3905emaxx/3905_03.htm

JimClark
09-27-2008, 03:57 PM
More info on a good solution
http://a1611.g.akamai.net/f/1611/23575/9h/dramsey.download.akamai.com/23575/audio/mp3/mydrs_blog/092308_mark_to_market.mp3

Jim

Doozie870
09-29-2008, 09:15 PM
Wall street crashed, yet the dollar gained in value. HMMMM?

Eodman
09-30-2008, 11:01 AM
While I agree that we need to do something! That something has to be affordable for the Joe Average and right now these hybrid aren't!

The estimated intro price for the new Chevy Volt is $42000.00, how do you afford that the, Banks aren't going lend you money on the cost savings factor!

And has anyone considered what they will do with the depleted batteries when it comes time to change them out?

ice329
10-07-2008, 05:59 PM
well, at least there trying something. There are some pretty smart people that are predicting this economy to get very bad. There comparing it to a few of the last ressesions but some are saying in the last past ressesions there was strong things but this one is worse. My guess is it will be pretty bad for a while, the worst is to come. I think the DOW will loose another 1000-3000 and the Nasdq i can see all the way down to 900. I hope I am wrong.

Steven Vaccaro
10-08-2008, 07:47 AM
FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole world hates us but they are all heavily invested over here. World markets are crashing over our home loan issues! Looks like we are all "going to hell, in a hand basket".

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

AndyKunz
10-08-2008, 08:46 AM
well, at least there trying something. There are some pretty smart people that are predicting this economy to get very bad.

Some of those "smart" people are the ones who created the mess. They might be right in that regard, especially when "bad" means THEY start losing money.

And guess who some of those "smart" people are! Start with o:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxgSubmiGt8

You want housing scandal? Watch that video. Write down and check out the google terms they give you. It's scary - the people who screwed it up (Congressional Democrats) are blaming the President and one of their chief opponents on the bills for the bad things that happened...

Andy

ice329
10-08-2008, 09:03 AM
No doubt there is plenty of blame, fact still is everything is froze up. There trying to open things up but no one trusts, bottom line everyone is selling making things worse. Another 1/2 point cut today, lets see what happens. My prediction stills sells off. Hope I am wrong. The poor people accross the country are loosing everything, retirements, houses, jobs, its just a big mess. And this time its real.

rockwerks
10-08-2008, 11:06 AM
Where is Greenspan when we need him.

Steven Vaccaro
10-08-2008, 08:18 PM
A friend of ours was buying a condo. 720 credit score, 25% down and still no way she can get a loan right now. :confused1:

Funny just 3 weeks ago, they would have given twice the money she's trying to get with no money down and to a person with a score of sub 600. :thumbsdown:

How backwards *^*()A is this country?

AntronX
10-08-2008, 08:45 PM
The other things that is absoluty nuts is why wont they just make a electric car and do it now

They got their reasons not to make one. In the mean time, make one yourself. It's not very hard to do. You need to get nice and compact two seater "donor" car, strip all the gasoline components, get AC induction electric motor with inverter and a bunch of Lithium batteries. You will also need charger and bunch of other smaller things. Here is cost break down:

Batteries:
102 ThunderSky LiFePO4 90Ah cells. $180 a piece, after all discounts, insurance and battery interconnects charges, total is $16,213.29 + Shipping from China.

You will need balancers for each cell, 102 of them. The guy at http://www.hotjuiceelectric.com/pricing_ordering.html makes them. Total will be $5,023.50 + Shipping from US.

Now, motor and inverter. www.metricmind.com sells AC induction systems. One powerful enough for your car will run you about $6 - 8K. Something is wrong with their site, i can't access it for prices.

Charger. Good one will be about $2K. http://www.brusa.biz/e_welcome.html makes nice chargers, as well as motors and inverters.

Other parts might run about $5K.

Total is around $35,000. Cheaper than Chevy Volt. Will have about 150 miles of range per charge (not 40 like Volt, LOL). Acceleration equal or better than gasser. And you can build one today.

More info at:
http://www.evadc.org/build_an_ev.html

Conversion examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSZrpTb2_4I
http://www.evalbum.com/952
http://www.evalbum.com/684

Here is Tesla Roaster founder's blog. The guy who started Tesla Motors company, and got fired by his investor... Lots of good info. http://www.teslafounders.com/

ice329
10-08-2008, 09:23 PM
I could make something much cheaper and charged with solar(all made in the USA). Until someone at the top asks me (-: I will just play with my boats.

AntronX
10-08-2008, 09:28 PM
I could make something much cheaper and charged with solar(all made in the USA). Until someone at the top asks me (-: I will just play with my boats.

:w00t: Cheaper? With solar? In USA??? :bowdown:

ice329
10-08-2008, 10:07 PM
Ya you can do a little something with solar, with a real charger also but basically run your small daily runs and use nothing but solar charging your cells. Solar tape can be utilized, I would care less about painting a car, give me that purple gleem of the solar tape and I am smiling. Forget inverters, DC.. of coarse it wont be a luxury caddy, but it will be a great cool buggyish type vehical maybe one or two seater with kick but acceleration. It could be made safe to, but you need to think outside the box of our conventional cars of today. It can be done and most the guys here know it, so its not just me smoking ...heheh

Also a little differnt route is fuel cells. Hydrogen... H20 I am pushing it on these but electric could be now without the big price tag.

AntronX
10-08-2008, 10:22 PM
Forget inverters, DC..

Meh, I want regen and safety. There is a good reason why engineers at GM chose induction AC for EV1. Same with Toyota RAV4 EV, and Telsa Roadster.

ice329
10-08-2008, 10:30 PM
well its like anything else, everyone wants there hands in the cookie jar and this is whats wrong with the country or part of what wrong. Here is a little link, this stuff is real but you just wont see it. As for ford and gm have you seen there stock prices lately. Get some ford for the price of a loaf of bread...and gm for about the price of a six pack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKsD895EzSs&feature=related

AntronX
10-08-2008, 10:34 PM
well its like anything else, everyone wants there hands in the cookie jar and this is whats wrong with the country or part of what wrong.

what are you talking about?

ice329
10-08-2008, 10:39 PM
My guess is your a Mccain backer... G/L

AntronX
10-08-2008, 10:41 PM
My guess is your a Mccain backer... G/L

:eek:

AntronX
10-08-2008, 10:45 PM
I meant what exactly were you talking about. There was no need to bring politics into this.

ice329
11-27-2008, 11:28 PM
Been thinking. Gas prices is getting good, prob because they know we had enough. Do not stop, get the electrics out with out all the bull. The big three didnt want to move and there butts and got dumped, because the little guys are saying hey we can do this. OK here is my thought. Coupons. ya have the govenment step in for the little guy. Let the new business guy with vison pop up his little business and build cars, maybe just one or two models all approved by say some type of gov program that they back. Here is the part that could help the little guy and really get the econamy going, the gov offers a coupon for COST or even less for the vehical to anyone who makes say under 32,900 a year or some number. if you make more then you can still buy one but for a full price that the gov does not subsidize. Somehow I think it could work all the while letting the people do it. Well anyway... hehhe

I think we hit a bottom in the market....(-: Im gonna nibble