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rockwerks
08-24-2008, 10:40 AM
Im hoping for Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal.

Has the Health background needed and has done wonders for LA. Im thinking his young age and aggressive conservatism would swing a lot of voters. He is the golden boy of the Republican party at this point

Not to mention getting the nod from the hotel and workers union

Your thoughts?

JimClark
08-24-2008, 06:34 PM
Just heard Speculation that McCain was looking at Colin Powell

Dr. Jet
08-25-2008, 07:16 AM
Mitt Romney

Spot Me 2
09-04-2008, 06:20 PM
Sarah Palin. The gov from Alaska

egneg
09-04-2008, 06:55 PM
Who would have guessed?

Mich. Maniac
09-04-2008, 07:07 PM
Looks like he is doin it right compared to Billary. Theres gonna be some Babes in the white house!! HA!

Avanti
09-04-2008, 07:23 PM
She looks pretty good
http://rdr.zazzle.com/img/imt-prd/isz-m/pd-128937342950080164/tl-i_d_hit_that_bumpersticker.jpg

hebner
09-04-2008, 07:40 PM
Now thats something I can agree with!

Diegoboy
09-05-2008, 08:47 AM
She looks pretty good
http://rdr.zazzle.com/img/imt-prd/isz-m/pd-128937342950080164/tl-i_d_hit_that_bumpersticker.jpg



Now thats something I can agree with!



Didn't your parents teach you to never HIT a woman?
:laugh:

dostacos
09-05-2008, 02:33 PM
and if they win he resigns after three years for "health reasons" making her the first female president AND incumbent against billary at the next election cycle:w00t: :spy:

JimClark
09-05-2008, 02:40 PM
Oh boy here come the conspiracy theory people out of the wood work. Now I don't want a 96 year old President for sure but this is stretching it a bit. I think people need to really spend time looking at Obama's qualifications and what his stated plans and policies will do to the country and your pocket book.

Jim

dostacos
09-05-2008, 02:46 PM
Oh boy here come the conspiracy theory people out of the wood work. Now I don't want a 96 year old President for sure but this is stretching it a bit.

Jim

what? you couldn't see my tongue in my cheek:bounce: :w00t:

JimClark
09-05-2008, 02:50 PM
I don't have my glasses on this early in the am. (I work nights)

Darin Jordan
09-05-2008, 03:25 PM
I think people need to really spend time looking at Obama's qualifications and what his stated plans and policies will do to the country and your pocket book.

Jim

I think people need to also REALLY pay attention and study the associations he has/does have, his record in his state and the federal Senate, and the foundations underlying some of the organizations he's associated with... He's MUCH more than he's selling to the American public, and I don't mean that in a flattering way...

For example:

http://www.uncorrelated.com/2008/04/obamas_bomber_buddy.html


Anyone know the difference between the "American Dream" and the "American Potential"??? Obama keeps touting the later... Look up Marxist literature... and the ideas of Bill Ayers, or Jeremia Wright, or the foundations of the creation of the Holy Trinity Church... His "plans" for America can be directly linked to many of these foundations...

Pretty Scarey if you ask me...

And frankly, I don't expect someone who has worked VERY hard all their lives, or their parents worked hard, etc., to give more than their fair portion of their income for the good of the Nation... I'm not interested in being a Nation full of "all-the-sames" when it comes to having and having-not... I'd like to think there is a fighting chance that my hard work will someday pay off and that I can rise above my current situation. That dream dies in the vision of the "American Potential"...

Do the research on your own and consider what you find on your own merrits, away from what the Media is trying to push on you, and then think long and hard about where we are heading...

It makes me fear for the futures of my beautiful children...

Sorry, don't mean to offend, but I'll take the American Hero and the Mom of 5... They've both proven thoughout their lives that they are fighting for their country and it's well-being...

Doug Smock
09-05-2008, 03:41 PM
I'll take the American Hero and the Mom of 5...

:beerchug: I'll drink to that!!!, and I don't drink.:beerchug:

Doug

Avanti
09-05-2008, 06:24 PM
Nobama is what one yard sign I saw today said, I thought it was great.

obama has accomplished nothing compared to Mccain or Palin.

there are a bunch of obama08 bumber stickers running around here (St. Petersburg, FL.), but I see more Mccain yard signs than obama. What is going on in your towns?

I put it in another thread that this whole obama thing is bad news win or lose we are looking at race riots.

Spot Me 2
09-06-2008, 10:33 PM
I think people need to also REALLY pay attention and study the associations he has/does have, his record in his state and the federal Senate, and the foundations underlying some of the organizations he's associated with... He's MUCH more than he's selling to the American public, and I don't mean that in a flattering way...

For example:

http://www.uncorrelated.com/2008/04/obamas_bomber_buddy.html


Anyone know the difference between the "American Dream" and the "American Potential"??? Obama keeps touting the later... Look up Marxist literature... and the ideas of Bill Ayers, or Jeremia Wright, or the foundations of the creation of the Holy Trinity Church... His "plans" for America can be directly linked to many of these foundations...

Pretty Scarey if you ask me...

And frankly, I don't expect someone who has worked VERY hard all their lives, or their parents worked hard, etc., to give more than their fair portion of their income for the good of the Nation... I'm not interested in being a Nation full of "all-the-sames" when it comes to having and having-not... I'd like to think there is a fighting chance that my hard work will someday pay off and that I can rise above my current situation. That dream dies in the vision of the "American Potential"...

Do the research on your own and consider what you find on your own merrits, away from what the Media is trying to push on you, and then think long and hard about where we are heading...

It makes me fear for the futures of my beautiful children...

Sorry, don't mean to offend, but I'll take the American Hero and the Mom of 5... They've both proven thoughout their lives that they are fighting for their country and it's well-being...

Well put!!!! I have done me own research( sitting at home waiting for back surgery so I have a lot of time) Obama Scares me to no end. In one of His memoirs the he wrote and published, he states " if the political winds change, I will side with the muslums." That statement right there tells me all I need to know about the man. I don't need the leader of my country siding with the muslums!!!!

sjslhill
09-09-2008, 04:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4-TZspqlOs

Bill-SOCAL
09-09-2008, 09:29 PM
Well put!!!! I have done me own research( sitting at home waiting for back surgery so I have a lot of time) Obama Scares me to no end. In one of His memoirs the he wrote and published, he states " if the political winds change, I will side with the muslums." That statement right there tells me all I need to know about the man. I don't need the leader of my country siding with the muslums!!!!


Maybe he would scare you a bit less if you had actual facts instead of the made up crap.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html


Really, I could care less which side of the debate you are on, but is it so freaking hard to get the facts straight before hitting the send key??

And just for clarification, if you want to hate some group, at least spell their name correctly. It is Muslim, not muslum.

Darin Jordan
09-09-2008, 09:56 PM
Maybe he would scare you a bit less if you had actual facts instead of the made up crap.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html


Not me... still concerns me the same... but that is a nice site. The more information the better... and the easier it is for some of us to form an informed opinion...

Asside from everything else... I still don't like his policies or ideas or his campaigning methods, which are politics as usual...

The more I'm hearing about the GOP VP nominee, the more I'm liking her... An army of Dem laywers and investigators and reporters swarming Alaska with pockets full of cash trying to dig up some dirt... We'll have to see if they actually find something they can report without ommitting key points that will make a difference to her appeal...

SHE represents a HUGE change of politics in this country, and I am looking forward to seeing if she can get herself through these next 6-weeks or so. If she fairs as I believe she will, then we'll definately have an interesting race on our hands come November 4th...

And Mr. McCain... Well... his track record, despite what the Dems seem to believe, is one of truely REACHING "across the aisle" (McCain/Feingold, etc.) and trying to solve problems... He's too close to the middle to be another G.W.B. I suppose he would seem VERY far to the right compared to Obama...

Game On!

sjslhill
09-09-2008, 10:25 PM
Pelosi, Reed and Obama are one in the same.....

Spot Me 2
09-09-2008, 10:49 PM
Maybe he would scare you a bit less if you had actual facts instead of the made up crap.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html


Really, I could care less which side of the debate you are on, but is it so freaking hard to get the facts straight before hitting the send key??

And just for clarification, if you want to hate some group, at least spell their name correctly. It is Muslim, not muslum.

Doesn't change how I feel about him. Tell me what he has done to qualify him for pres??? Thanks for the site, but who says the site is correct? It just another web site likethe million others that say its true. I guess I will need to read both of his memoirs to truely make sure. I don't hate any group. Just like any group their are good people and bad. I want a Pres that will side on what this country was founded on. I'm soory if you took me misspelling something for hate:confused1:

Bill-SOCAL
09-09-2008, 11:14 PM
Doesn't change how I feel about him. Tell me what he has done to qualify him for pres???

Nice to know that you won't let the truth stand in the way of your opinion.


Thanks for the site, but who says the site is correct? It just another web site like the million others that say its true.

Well, let's see, your sources are what people think they want to hear. This site (and many others) provide the actual quote from the book. But again, you clearly are not going to let anything sway your opinion and will continue to grasp at whatever "source" supports you while ignoring anything that ddoes not.


I'm soory if you took me misspelling something for hate:confused1:

No, what I was saying is that you clearly were saying that aligning with Muslims was a bad thing. And if it were to be considered so is it not logical to assume that you have negative feelings about Muslims, or am I missing something here?? And for the record, that is NOT what he was saying. It is just what those who want to use lies to support their opinions choose to believe.

Like I said, we are all free to believe what we want, but is it too much to ask to use actual facts when trying to persuade others to believe like you do??

azjc
09-09-2008, 11:39 PM
not to be political here but....

I consider myself moderate neither conservative or liberal but I do feel we need a change and McCain does not represent change and I believe more attention should be paid to whats happening to our country ( health care, economy)

Darin Jordan
09-10-2008, 02:03 AM
I do feel we need a change and McCain does not represent change...

I'm just not sure how one can say that... Going a little deeper than your typical Dem campaign add... John McCain has a proven track record of making the RIGHT decisions at the right time... He's reached across the isle time and time again to pass important legislation and reform, working hand in hand with some of the more liberal Dems to get things done... He has plans for education that actually give people choices on where to send their kids... and ways to pay for them... Funny... but now Obama suddenly is on the "charter school" bandwagon... imagine that...

Sorry... but Obama represents Democratic politics as usual... He's a product of the Chicago political machine... has ties to some of the most radical members of that area... and hasn't put forth much of anything in the way of original legislation or ideas for moving this country forward or helping our situation... And let's not forget he's part of the party that is responsible for the LEAST productive Senate in the recent HISTORY of the US... they haven't done a THING... Oh, sorry, not accurate... they've passed the highest number of "symbolic" legislation in the HISTORY OF THE US SENATE...

Obama/Biden are at the extreme left... Bush is more to the extreme right... McCain/Palin are a lot closer to the middle for my taste...

Bill-SOCAL
09-10-2008, 02:25 AM
And let's not forget he's part of the party that is responsible for the LEAST productive Senate in the recent HISTORY of the US... they haven't done a THING...

At the same time let's keep in mind that the breakdown in the Senate is 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans, one Independent (Bernie Sanders), and Joe Lieberman, who essentially votes as a Republican. So given that the Democratic "majority" is not really a majority and the fact that the Republicans have used their filibuster power as never before during this session of the Senate I am curious what exactly you feel could have been done??

It is amusing how when the Democrats tried to filibuster they were demonized as obstructing legislation, yet I hear no such comments about the Republicans when they do the same thing. Funny, isn't it??

TeamFubarRacing
09-10-2008, 08:07 AM
i suggest pistols at 10 meters for Darin and Bill SO-CAL...

i'd pay to watch :spy:

Regards,

Ron

Darin Jordan
09-10-2008, 08:35 AM
i suggest pistols at 10 meters for Darin and Bill SO-CAL...

i'd pay to watch :spy:

Regards,

Ron


I couldn't do that to my buddy, Bill...

Besides... I didn't think that the Left owned any guns... Someone might have to give him a loaner!

I have a better idea anyhow... How about we just get together and see who can drink who under the table! :beerchug:


It's all good... Everyone has their opinions... Some think that "change" can be brought about by a first term senator, thrust on the scene by the Chicago political machine, who has spent 19-months of his 2-years in position campaigning, but has Oparah on his side, paired up with a 6-term senator who can't even make it out of his own party's primary system... And others believe "change" can be brought about by electing a war hero with a proven track record of working across party lines, bucking the system and making solid decisions, paired with a new face on the scene, who also has a track record of fighting the establishment and has 6-years of local plus 2-years of state Executive experience...

I guess it's all in what you want from your future...

Dr. Jet
09-10-2008, 08:51 AM
Obama/Biden are at the extreme left... Bush is more to the extreme right... McCain/Palin are a lot closer to the middle for my taste...

Darin,

As much as I agree with you on political matters, I think you are off here. Yes, Obama/Bidin are extreme left (think European Socialists), but Bush is NOT extreme right. Nowhere close enough for me. He is more of a 1980's liberal. McCain is still too leftist for my tastes (McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy). Fortunately, and as told some friends nearly a year ago, I would vote for Sara Pailin for President in a heartbeat because she embodies more of the conservative viewpoint than your typical "inside the beltway" polititian.

I hope McCain gets elected, then opts out of a second term due to age. That would open the door to Palin for President. Maggie Thatcher part deux!

P.S. I can loan Bill some of my guns, I have "extras". ;)

AndyKunz
09-10-2008, 08:56 AM
I still wish Condoleeza were running.

Andy

Bill-SOCAL
09-10-2008, 10:25 AM
No worries when it comes to being armed. Got that taken care of, but thanks. Oh, and am am also a little familiar with how they work. Back in the day I didt a lot of combat shooting, both IPSC and steel.

The difference with me is that I would have no issue with the requirement to be licensed and to prove that I am proficient and know what I am doing. Kind of an extension of the idea that many conservatives have when it comes to wire taps, police powers, etc. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. So if you are legal and proficient, then you have nothing to worry about.

Darin Jordan
09-10-2008, 10:29 AM
The difference with me is that I would have no issue with the requirement to be licensed and to prove that I am proficient and know what I am doing. Kind of an extension of the idea that many conservatives have when it comes to wire taps, police powers, etc. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. So if you are legal and proficient, then you have nothing to worry about.

See... we agree on some issues... :thumbup1:

TeamFubarRacing
09-10-2008, 10:30 AM
combat shooting...

and what combat situation [war-conflict] was that Bill?

i didn't realized you were a veteran with combat experience...

Ron

RCprince
09-10-2008, 10:37 AM
Please vote Republican...I need a few more foreclosures added to my portfolio, maybe Fannie/Freddie will give me some no doc loans. Seriously I could careless who you vote for, But you wear what you buy...every Friday night my neighbors have these political parties for the culdesac. Three lost their Jobs last week, luckily their homes are paid for.

My conclusion is this, I'll buy everyone a bowling ball and masking tape with these instructions: first remove tape from package, then measure your TV diagonally from both sides and cut masking tape to match both sides forming an X. Next remove bowling ball from package. Standing approximately 6 feet in front of television aim for the center of the X and fire away my friend, as the ball leaves your hands you'll feel the euphoria of liberation.

If Mccain had picked Madame Blavatsky, he'd get the same following, because the majority of people are reactive and not proactive, subjective and not objective. People work hard and even harder as of this decade and have no time to do their own research so they are relegated to the mass media, who they blindly trust in being fair and balanced, Sure that's why Hannity the conservative looks like the clean cut "American " handsome and Colmes the democrat looks duffy as hell, it's all scripted as perfectly portrayed in the 1970's movies The Netowrk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI

I'm as Mad as hell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok&feature=related

RCprince
09-10-2008, 10:47 AM
Besides... I didn't think that the Left owned any guns... Someone might have to give him a loaner!

...

How do we come to these conclusions, please include the mathematical equation.

RCprince
09-10-2008, 11:06 AM
Kind of an extension of the idea that many conservatives have when it comes to wire taps, police powers, etc. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Mao Tse-Tung , Fidel Castro, Marshall Joseph Tito, Slobodan Milosevic, General Augusto Pinochet, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Minh, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Qaddafi, Juan Peron, Ayatollah Khomeini, Ferdinand Marcos, General Suharto, Pol Pot, Fransisco Franco, sounds like something these guys would live for.

Ctonez
09-10-2008, 11:21 AM
An issue I've had a difficult time getting over is the Oil company connections.
It infuriates me that Big Oil keeps making record profits while our economy goes in the tank (no pun intended) largely due to our economic dependence on that petroleum.

Which ticket is most likely getting Big Oil kickbacks? If that ticket is elected what will happen with oil/energy? I think we will continue to see the record profits and astronomical gas prices along with more delays in production of really great alternative fuel vehicles. As LiPo users, we all know the potential of Electric vehicles, but who has the $$$ that are buying new battery tech? that's right! Exxon/Mobil et al. They aren't doing that because they want to keep progressing the technology, they're doing it to keep us buying their product at whatever price they ask.
I don't want to continue lining those pocketbooks for the rest of my life...

azjc
09-10-2008, 11:30 AM
the big reason that we have such high oll prices is Bush, the Bush family business is oil and they have been tight with the Bin Laden family for many years I have heard it goes back as far as Bush'e grandfather...so George W isnt going to do anything to lower the prices...when he could have

Spot Me 2
09-10-2008, 11:44 AM
and Joe Lieberman, who essentially votes as a Republican.

Not so. Look at his voting record. He votes almost 90% with the Dems.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/l000304/votes/

If your going to tell others to make sure they have the facts correct before hitting the enter key, maybe you should to.

I took into account That what I wrote is not correct. Thankyou for providing the correct info! The reason I say it doesn't change my few of him is that no one can tell me what he has done to warrant my vote for pres. He has no history. Wait yes he does, he doesn't vote.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/

How can I, or anyone, form an opinion on this. I go by what people have done, not by what they say they are going to do.

TeamFubarRacing
09-10-2008, 01:41 PM
[QUOTE=Bill-SOCAL; Back in the day I didt a lot of combat shooting, both IPSC and steel.
[/QUOTE]

my bad Bill...

i looked up www.ipsc.org/

i learned that it's organized sport target shooting, the link didn't mention combat so your use of the term combat shooting confused me :confused2:

as you were...

Ron

Bill-SOCAL
09-10-2008, 04:20 PM
my bad Bill...

i looked up www.ipsc.org/

i learned that it's organized sport target shooting, the link didn't mention combat so your use of the term combat shooting confused me :confused2:

as you were...

Ron

Yes, the term "combat shooting" may not have the same connotation that you think it does. However, it is not my term, it is the term used by those who enjoy the sport of competitive practical handgun shooting. The colloquial term is "combat shooting".

IPSC was the brainchild of Col. Jeff Cooper, who coined the phrase, two in the chest and one in the head, make sure you leave them dead".

It was a great hobby and it teaches the use of firearms in stress situations. I used a very lightly modified Colt 1911 .45 (trigger pull smoothed, different sights, etc.). I miss it, but still have my guns (and have not forgotten how to use them).

Here's some links that may help:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_/ai_101879004

http://www.krtraining.com/IPSC/Information/1.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper_(colonel)

And as I've mentioned before Ron, my combat experience was in the serene undersea world of stalking, and being stalked by, Soviet subs.

Oh well.

And point taken about Lieberman. Although one wonders about his actual ideas when you see him at the Republican convention!!

And a look at his record on key issues whos him voting with the Republicans more times than not, which is what I was really trying to make the point about. The fact still remains that the Democrats do not in fact have a functional majorioty in the Senate (or the House for that matter).

TeamFubarRacing
09-10-2008, 04:35 PM
nevermind...