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Doby
09-19-2013, 04:27 PM
Got my hull today....stay tuned:w00t:

Darin Jordan
09-19-2013, 04:58 PM
Got my hull today....stay tuned:w00t:

Going to say COOL, just so I can be subscribed to this thread and follow along! Looking forward to the build!

Doby
09-19-2013, 05:37 PM
It going to be a basic clone of this...

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?42754-TFL-Hobbies-quot-Popeye-quot-Hydro

But with P-Power (Got a few different motors to try out)

And I promise to come up with something more original that a black and white checker theme this time:spy:

Doby
09-19-2013, 05:42 PM
Motors I currently have are:

http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=neu-1521&cat=117 in a 1.5D winding.

http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=leo-4074&cat=148 in the 200KV rating

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11183

By the time I get through messing around with those, winter should be here.

LiPo Power
09-19-2013, 06:21 PM
Lets try one on Saturday at Boxwood....

flraptor07
09-19-2013, 08:30 PM
I want one but I just can't figure out how to get a Leopard 5698 on 10s 2p in it! LOL But seriously how do you think a Neu 1515 2200kv on 6s would work in it?

Doby
09-19-2013, 08:37 PM
6S on 2200Kv????? Holy overpowered Batman....48000 Rpm!!!:scared::flashfire::scared:

ron1950
09-19-2013, 08:45 PM
ya I agree that new 1515 2200 is a 4s motor....prob get some magic smoke sooner or later

flraptor07
09-20-2013, 12:24 AM
ya I agree that new 1515 2200 is a 4s motor....prob get some magic smoke sooner or later
Yeah but it would be fun while it lasted!! lol

Darin Jordan
09-20-2013, 12:42 AM
6S on 2200Kv????? Holy overpowered Batman....48000 Rpm!!!:scared::flashfire::scared:

Sounds ALMOST good enough to be a SAW setup... ;) Need another 4S to really work, but you're getting there... :P

Monica Smith
09-20-2013, 05:54 AM
Ah, I am glad you have got your second Popeye, John!

LiPo Power
09-20-2013, 12:01 PM
Yes, and he's got mine also.... Apparently.... :cursing:





Ah, I am glad you have got your second Popeye, John!

Doby
09-20-2013, 12:33 PM
Be nice...or yours got "lost" in shipment!

Darin Jordan
09-20-2013, 12:50 PM
Hey... where are the pictures... :)

Fluid
09-20-2013, 01:23 PM
6S on 2200Kv????? Holy overpowered Batman....48000 RpmActually closer to 40,000 under load. I ran a Castle 1515/1Y in my 6S cat to 89 mph through the traps (not GPS) many times without letting out any smoke - but then it was two 5 seconds passes then back to the beach. Totally a SAW setup, but it works well as a P Sport Hydro motor on 4S.



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Mike Caruso
09-20-2013, 03:08 PM
Actually closer to 40,000 under load. I ran a Castle 1515/1Y in my 6S cat to 89 mph through the traps (not GPS) many times without letting out any smoke - but then it was two 5 seconds passes then back to the beach. Totally a SAW setup, but it works well as a P Sport Hydro motor on 4S.



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How much more can the 1515 1Y take on as far a cells? Would 8s kill it for SAW in a rigger?
Thanks,
Mike

Fluid
09-20-2013, 03:53 PM
Yes, even 7S is really too much. Six S is plenty, if you can't go fast enough with that you need more motor, not more cells. I topped out at 89 mph no mater what I did in my 32" SAW cat, I needed more (longer) motor (1521 or 1527) to go faster. I was only a few mph slower running 4S and a 1521 in the same boat at the same event.


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Mike Caruso
09-20-2013, 04:06 PM
Yes, even 7S is really too much. Six S is plenty, if you can't go fast enough with that you need more motor, not more cells. I topped out at 89 mph no mater what I did in my 32" SAW cat, I needed more (longer) motor (1521 or 1527) to go faster. I was only a few mph slower running 4S and a 1521 in the same boat at the same event.


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Thank you so much.

Doby
09-20-2013, 04:38 PM
And back on topic we go.......

Popeyes..........


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LiPo Power
09-20-2013, 04:41 PM
Woww, it appears the yellow and blue looks the best!!!
What a nice paint job!!!

Doby
09-20-2013, 04:42 PM
As I'll be using more powerful motors on this boat, I asked TFL to add some carbon tubes along each side of the motor mounts for a bit more strength..there is absolutely nothing wrong with the stock motor mount, but I prefer things to be reasonably bullet proof.


Again, TFL was nice enough to agree to do this for me.

Doby
09-20-2013, 04:44 PM
Woww, it appears the yellow and blue looks the best!!!
What a nice paint job!!!

That pic was taken last night, you should see what the yellow one looks like now....I dropped it , accidentally stepped on it, and the dog chewed on it for a few hours....it should still float though!

LiPo Power
09-21-2013, 11:45 AM
There is unexpected amount of expanding foam installed so I am sure it will....

tlandauer
09-21-2013, 11:49 AM
And back on topic we go.......

Popeyes..........


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@Doby,
Here is my stupid question of the day: is the middle hull longer in the first picture or it is just the angle?

Doby
09-21-2013, 01:21 PM
Not a stupid question....looks that way in the pics...but they are the same size.

LiPo Power
09-21-2013, 01:40 PM
No way, the white one is the longest...

Doby
09-21-2013, 03:46 PM
Got my Leopard 2000Kv motor and Seaking 18 installed: Had to modify the motor mount holes a bit to make everything fit.

Doby
09-21-2013, 03:48 PM
Finished it off in a totally new color scheme.....no more black and white checkers this time....

Doby
09-21-2013, 03:50 PM
.......

tlandauer
09-21-2013, 03:50 PM
Not a stupid question....looks that way in the pics...but they are the same size.

OK! But I swear in the first picture the checkered one looks like a stretched "limo"... :lol:

tlandauer
09-21-2013, 03:51 PM
.......
Fantastic! :drool::drool::drool:

LiPo Power
09-21-2013, 04:01 PM
Doby, they look so F.... Cool, its scary...
Love it!!!!!

ron1950
09-21-2013, 04:25 PM
you must have a account with monocote trim cote

flraptor07
09-21-2013, 05:13 PM
That's it I'm getting one! I sent a Email to Monica today! :w00t:

Doby
09-21-2013, 05:16 PM
you must have a account with monocote trim cote

You are not the first person to think that....

ron1950
09-21-2013, 06:31 PM
Just how much are these hulls? May have to get one for p hydro

LiPo Power
09-21-2013, 06:42 PM
$100.00 bucks.... :w00t:

Just contact Monica.....

Monica Smith
09-22-2013, 03:21 AM
Be nice...or yours got "lost" in shipment!

Lol...Doby, please don't threat LiPo Power!:laugh:

Monica Smith
09-22-2013, 03:24 AM
That pic was taken last night, you should see what the yellow one looks like now....I dropped it , accidentally stepped on it, and the dog chewed on it for a few hours....it should still float though!
Hahaha... God, Doby you will scare LiPo Power.

Monica Smith
09-22-2013, 04:33 AM
.......

Hi Dody, look at the photo of Popeyes, you did a good job again.

kenrid
09-22-2013, 08:10 AM
Hi Doby,

That does not look like an out of the box ESC, can you explain the modifications for those of us in far away lands with little exposure to such upgrades?

Doby
09-22-2013, 08:59 AM
Check this out...

http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143173

The capacitor bank I added looks a bit off as it survived a fire in another boat! It also has connectors to run a 2P setup.

Doby
09-22-2013, 04:43 PM
So Robert and I were doing some testing on our new Popeyes today...

My P-Sport setup today was as follows:
Motor: Leopard 2000Kv
LiPos: Turnigy 4S, 5800mah (No paralleling of packs)
ESC Seaking 180
Prop:3 bladed X447 (I don't have a great variety of props to try for this setup yet)
Winds in the 15-20 Mph range (back straight=tailwind, front straight=headwind)

Best GPS speed of the day was 54.7Mph.
Temps on everything were in the 98-100 range.
Boat was pretty tame at that speed...again, no bad habits unless you over steer correcting left!

I have some vid, as does Robert that will be posted eventually.

Had an opportunity to run it against a FE 30 with basically a clone setup to mine. I had a bit more top end speed and both handled the chop well in the right hand part of the course. I did manage to bend my turn fin bracket and there are a few spins as a result on Roberts vid...I'll be strengthening it for sure.

Anyone know what P-sport speeds are deemed to be "competitive"???? Not to much info to be found anywhere...

ron1950
09-22-2013, 05:25 PM
i have heard upper 50.s for p sport....not sure though

LiPo Power
09-22-2013, 08:15 PM
Here is the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50kYxkaJS3I

Doby
09-22-2013, 08:41 PM
The first half where the two boats are running is with my P-Sport.....the second half is with my P-Spec...

Thanks for the vid Robert!!

ron1950
09-22-2013, 08:54 PM
The first half where the two boats are running is with my P-Sport.....the second half is with my P-Spec...


ooooo so the hat didn't help any lol...whats the temp up your way ...I thought it was cold here at 48 but warmerd up to 73

Doby
09-22-2013, 09:16 PM
It was around mid 50's up here today.

ron1950
09-22-2013, 09:19 PM
darn u guys will be ice skating soon

LiPo Power
09-22-2013, 09:59 PM
That is no problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXljJZ6hpAQ



darn u guys will be ice skating soon

ezhitz
09-22-2013, 10:02 PM
Hi Doby
Boats look good I will have to come out and see them. I would think P-Sport would be high 50's when you see Spec hydros in the 52-54 range.

Doby
09-22-2013, 10:12 PM
You and Brian coming to Wellesley this Saturday?

Monica Smith
09-23-2013, 12:07 AM
That is no problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXljJZ6hpAQ

Wow.....:w00t: interesting!

ezhitz
09-23-2013, 07:41 AM
I'm going to try :smile:

Doby
09-23-2013, 10:20 AM
Another vid from yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttG9kXWdteo&feature=share&list=UUjLnwSDRax9OzK2el4P3E6g

Doby
09-23-2013, 10:31 AM
Another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_smNhdSu1s&feature=share&list=UUjLnwSDRax9OzK2el4P3E6g

Doby
10-04-2013, 04:04 PM
Just ordered a 2200 KV Leopard today....

ron1950
10-04-2013, 07:24 PM
what were u running before?

Doby
10-04-2013, 07:31 PM
2000

sampit
10-09-2013, 07:11 AM
Do you think a single 6s Dinogy 5000 pack would fit in to a Popeye hull, to run a Leopard 4074 1400kv motor or better still a 4082 1450 kv?

Doby
10-09-2013, 09:16 AM
Should fit without any issues.

Doby
10-09-2013, 09:17 AM
Got my 2200 kv motor last night, installed it and will try it out this afternoon!

Doby
10-10-2013, 02:32 PM
So went out yesterday and and left everything the same (setup wise) and hit 56.2 on the old GPS...not bad and everything was just warm to the touch after 6 laps around our clubs pond. Timing was set to 0 and I forgot my programming box at home...apparently these motors like 15deg. Set it to 15 last night and will run it again this weekend. the winds were about 10 Mph with only a ripple on the pond...perfectly stable and no sponson walking etc...nice wide full speed turns with no bad tendencies. Hoping for a bit more chop next time out to better simulate race water conditions.

Will have to get some more aggressive props to try next season. Once I see what the timing will do for me, that should be just about all she wrote for this year.

ray schrauwen
10-10-2013, 04:03 PM
Maybe Monday we get together right? Do you bring a gas Gen. or no? You have lipos coming out your butt.

Doby
10-10-2013, 04:15 PM
Yup, Monday..I usually bring along the arsenal of pre-charged LiPos.

tlandauer
10-10-2013, 04:18 PM
Doby, which 2200kv motor are you using? I see from other thread that you are only running 4s1p. I just want to learn as much as I could before mine arrives later this month.:buttrock:

Doby
10-10-2013, 04:31 PM
Doby, which 2200kv motor are you using? I see from other thread that you are only running 4s1p. I just want to learn as much as I could before mine arrives later this month.:buttrock:
http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=leo-4074&cat=148

tlandauer
10-10-2013, 04:53 PM
http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=leo-4074&cat=148

Thanks, just what I wanted to know :thumbup1:, wasn't sure if it's the 4074 or 4082.

ron1950
10-10-2013, 10:05 PM
wow boat finally gets to post office in home town and instead of leaveing it on porch I get a must sign for package slip....I am out of town for next 2 weeks :( guess its a call to the post office tomorrow see if they can leave it with neighbor

785boats
10-11-2013, 04:04 PM
Hi Doby.
As 'Team TFL', I'm surprised you don't give the TFL 4074 2200kv motor a try. In my opinion they are a much better motor than the leopard. At least all the ones I've tried are. From a little 2960/ 2880kv up to a 4082 2200kv. More efficient, more power & cooler running.
Monica will sell them direct. Ask her to send you the complete motor list.
Just a thought.

tlandauer
10-12-2013, 03:48 AM
Hi Paul,
the one Monica is sending me is w/o the motor but with all hardware installed, now you got me thinking, what motor diameter does the stock mount accept? I was going to use a Leopard 4074 2200kv that I had, but on their web it says the motor is a 36-60 sized can, did you special order yours to have the TFL 4074?
Thanks,
Tim

785boats
10-12-2013, 03:02 PM
I actually ordered a 4082 2200kv with mine. All that's needed is to get a 40mm tail ring & it bolts straight in. BUT, the 70mm cooling can that came with it won't fit between the ring & the mount, So I've had to use a 50mm long cooler. The battery & ESC still get hotter than the motor, which is only just warm.

ray schrauwen
10-12-2013, 03:16 PM
Has anyone tried this hull setup for P-sport Hydro on a 1/6 mile oval course? Our course close by is only a short course.

ron1950
10-12-2013, 11:42 PM
Got my boat today Nice quality paint etc Only thing i am changeing is the stuffing tube seal like doby did with j b weld got my neu 1515 2200 to fit but really had to rebend the tube One peace flex did well T180 is soldered up and ready got to fix the aq turn fin still

tlandauer
10-13-2013, 12:11 AM
May I ask you the reason for re-bending the stuffing tube?

tlandauer
10-13-2013, 02:45 AM
I actually ordered a 4082 2200kv with mine. All that's needed is to get a 40mm tail ring & it bolts straight in. BUT, the 70mm cooling can that came with it won't fit between the ring & the mount, So I've had to use a 50mm long cooler. The battery & ESC still get hotter than the motor, which is only just warm.
Thanks for the info! :rockon2: One last thing, did you run 4s1p or 4s2p?
Sorry for all the pestering!

785boats
10-13-2013, 06:04 AM
No Problem.
Only 1P allowed here in Australia for racing.

ron1950
10-13-2013, 09:02 AM
May I ask you the reason for re-bending the stuffing tube?

Well with th larger motor the angle was way off so had to get that right tryed everything i could think of before doing it Its not hard to do its just laying in there then j b weld it the angle u need Now iam worried the cg may be too far back But have to wait and see

LiPo Power
10-13-2013, 10:03 AM
Just in case...
Is never enough.....
And second on Ron's opinion on the top of that...
Also, floatation, floatation, floatation.... :-)


May I ask you the reason for re-bending the stuffing tube?

tlandauer
10-13-2013, 01:24 PM
No Problem.
Only 1P allowed here in Australia for racing.
Thanks!

Well with th larger motor the angle was way off so had to get that right tryed everything i could think of before doing it Its not hard to do its just laying in there then j b weld it the angle u need Now iam worried the cg may be too far back But have to wait and see
I see, thanks for the heads up as I too want to drop a bigger motor.


Just in case...
Is never enough.....
And second on Ron's opinion on the top of that...
Also, floatation, floatation, floatation.... :-)
Yeah! Love that JB Weld job, looks great, I will copy that as well and remember to add floataion!
Thanks guys!:rockon2:

ron1950
10-13-2013, 01:32 PM
wish my yellow boat didnt have all this writing all over it lol my own fault as monica showed me pics of it before shipping .....now got the flex cut to right lenth..(alwasys a good thing) modified the motor mount with a drill to get better motor angle still lol.....had to sand the rudder so it would fit between the rudder brackets and swing freely...mock up the t180 position and battery placement...looks as if battery will have to be way forward to get decent cg....only real problem so far is that 2 or 3 of the set screws are missing// makes it harder to complete...lhs had the set screws so that's all over...

ron1950
10-13-2013, 03:14 PM
now set up the esc and find a place to put the rx and I guess ill be done

785boats
10-14-2013, 03:32 PM
Ron.
In mine there was a small RX tray to the right of the motor under the deck. Is there not one in yours? Also there was some foam cut & fitted in each sponson. I would have thought they all come like that.But extra foam is still needed.
Here's a couple of pics of the layout in mine. You can just see edge of the balloon around the RX at the edge of the deck in the first pic. The second one shows the RX & the foam.

ron1950
10-14-2013, 05:51 PM
well I am back on the road again so cant look at it now but if there was a rx tray I never saw it lol....glued a small 1/4 plywood slab to the floor and velcroed the mr3000 rx to it....wont get a chance to run it till the 24th .....

btw if u are using the stock motor mount and running a 40 mm motor like the 4074 or nue 1515 u will need this http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=ose-80600-RC

and u may need a short water cooling can as there is not much room between the braceing

flraptor07
10-14-2013, 06:30 PM
Monica says mine will be done 10/20 I got the green one with no lettering except the TFL logo on the rear, All hardware 40mm motor mount, no electronics. I'm Going bulletproof on electronics, Swordfish 220A ESC and Neu 1515 1y 2200kv motor, Savox SW 0231SG waterproof servo. should work good for my first P Sport Hydro. :thumbup:

ron1950
10-14-2013, 06:34 PM
sounds good flap where do u run in fla?

flraptor07
10-14-2013, 06:37 PM
Ron.
In mine there was a small RX tray to the right of the motor under the deck. Is there not one in yours? Also there was some foam cut & fitted in each sponson. I would have thought they all come like that.But extra foam is still needed.
Here's a couple of pics of the layout in mine. You can just see edge of the balloon around the RX at the edge of the deck in the first pic. The second one shows the RX & the foam.
How do you do the leads through the side of the hull for your + lead?

flraptor07
10-14-2013, 06:43 PM
sounds good flap where do u run in fla?

Well I just started with RC boats not to long ago, I'll be running @ Ackerman park with West Fl Model Boat Club and I test @ Bennett park in Bradenton

ron1950
10-14-2013, 06:51 PM
cool I am a member there also....ill be down there in dec hopefully....I know some others in the club that are going to get this boat so will be fun...

Doby
10-14-2013, 06:59 PM
Here's a shot of Roberts at speed in a corner..and a few others.. Just realized these pics should have gone in the P-Spec thread...oh well, nice pics anyway!

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tlandauer
10-14-2013, 07:02 PM
Monica says mine will be done 10/20 I got the green one with no lettering except the TFL logo on the rear, All hardware 40mm motor mount, no electronics. I'm Going bulletproof on electronics, Swordfish 220A ESC and Neu 1515 1y 2200kv motor, Savox SW 0231SG waterproof servo. should work good for my first P Sport Hydro. :thumbup:

Monica told me the same thing, but I didn't think of telling them that I plan to use a 40mm motor ( 4074 or Neu 1515 1y), :frusty: just e mailed her now and hopefully it is not too late.:noidea:
Your plan sounds really good!

Doby
10-14-2013, 07:08 PM
A Dremel is your friend...easy to make or enlarge some holes to accommodate the larger motors...I did that on my P-Sport version.

ron1950
10-14-2013, 07:13 PM
cool pics doby did u guys use any reenforcements under the tail fins?

LuckyDuc
10-14-2013, 07:22 PM
Has anyone checked to see if this hull is legal under the NAMBA and IMPBA Sport Hyrdo rules?

Doby
10-14-2013, 07:26 PM
cool pics doby did u guys use any reenforcements under the tail fins?

Nope!

flraptor07
10-14-2013, 07:36 PM
Has anyone checked to see if this hull is legal under the NAMBA and IMPBA Sport Hyrdo rules?

From what I've been told and from looking at the rule book it is legal for P Sport.

Doby
10-14-2013, 07:48 PM
If someone who knows what it actually means can draw me a diagram of what needs to be measured from where, I'll measure mine and let people know...I read the IMPBA rule book and its a mystery to me........#6,7,and 8 of the p-sport rules are whats potentially in question..

LuckyDuc
10-14-2013, 07:51 PM
From what I've been told and from looking at the rule book it is legal for P Sport.

Cool. The only reason I ask is because everyone assumed that the first gen Phil Thomas Stealth hull was legal in NAMBA, but it turned out that it wasn't. I didn't want anyone to have a similar surprise with this.. especially if they are planning to bring one to the NAMBA Nats in June.

Doby
10-14-2013, 07:53 PM
If I read section 6 properly that the distance for ride pads needs to be for a 32" hull between 12.8" (60%) and 16" (50%) forward of the transom (measured from the bow)...mine measures in at 14.25" to the step (ride pad).

Not sure if I did this right...so until a NASA scientist chimes in, I won't measure anymore.

Doby
10-14-2013, 07:56 PM
Cool. The only reason I ask is because everyone assumed that the first gen Phil Thomas Stealth hull was legal in NAMBA, but it turned out that it wasn't. I didn't want anyone to have a similar surprise with this.. especially if they are planning to bring one to the NAMBA Nats in June.

Unless you are running for records..doesn't the hosting club decide?

ron1950
10-14-2013, 08:07 PM
usually

flraptor07
10-14-2013, 08:28 PM
If I read section 6 properly that the distance for ride pads needs to be for a 32" hull between 12.8" (60%) and 16" (50%) forward of the transom (measured from the bow)...mine measures in at 14.25" to the step (ride pad).

Not sure if I did this right...so until a NASA scientist chimes in, I won't measure anymore.
Yer cyferin' looks right ta me! LOL

LuckyDuc
10-14-2013, 08:28 PM
Unless you are running for records..doesn't the hosting club decide?

At the NAMBA Nats that I attended, each heat race was timed for record keeping purposes. The top 3 finishing boats from each heat were subject to teching (Measured, cell check, etc) I got teched 4 times... BUT I look shifty :laugh:

Doby
10-14-2013, 08:53 PM
You Do look shifty....Peterson as well....

ron1950
10-14-2013, 08:59 PM
has anyone flipped one of these boats at all? I know doby spun one a few times but that was a turn fin problem

LuckyDuc
10-14-2013, 09:03 PM
You Do look shifty....Peterson as well....

Who? Us? :spy: Never!:smile:

tlandauer
10-15-2013, 01:21 AM
Got word from Monica, they are going to install the 40mm motor mount ring!:buttrock: Seems TFL is really quite on top of their game.:thumbup1:

ron1950
10-15-2013, 01:32 AM
yes it does ...next time ill know enough to ask for the moon lol

flraptor07
10-15-2013, 09:05 AM
Got word from Monica, they are going to install the 40mm motor mount ring!:buttrock: Seems TFL is really quite on top of their game.:thumbup1:
So far all the dealings I've had with TFL and Monica have been topnotch! Definetly the best overseas company I've dealt with!!

ray schrauwen
10-15-2013, 09:15 AM
So I have to modify my PTSS for LSH and or P-Sport Hydro to make it legal for the nats? Very major bummer :frusty:


Cool. The only reason I ask is because everyone assumed that the first gen Phil Thomas Stealth hull was legal in NAMBA, but it turned out that it wasn't. I didn't want anyone to have a similar surprise with this.. especially if they are planning to bring one to the NAMBA Nats in June.

ron1950
10-15-2013, 01:37 PM
didn't darin do a build on a pt hydro to make it legal for namba? as I remember he added bulsa triangle to the back sides to make rear wider ...

ray schrauwen
10-15-2013, 02:04 PM
Someone did, still looking.

Doby
10-15-2013, 03:21 PM
So I have to modify my PTSS for LSH and or P-Sport Hydro to make it legal for the nats? Very major bummer :frusty:

I wouldn't be moding anything yet Ray..I just PM'd Terry for some clarification.

ray schrauwen
10-15-2013, 03:34 PM
It's not a big hassle, the boat is gutted anyway but, thank you once again!

I looked up Mike Ball's thread on modifying the hull, rules ya know ;)

flraptor07
10-17-2013, 01:01 PM
Got Email from Monica today, my Popeye is done and ready to ship!! :banana: Got pics too and it looks great, just as I ordered no decals except for TFL logo on the rear deck https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=abe3bc0df7&view=att&th=141c6f584831e59c&attid=0.2&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P8BvQZ98Wh201ZMaPG1Y9W1&sadet=1382028908629&sads=wS8NDjQx5KyJJBgUn0rbnWJEkkc

ron1950
10-17-2013, 01:15 PM
hey flrap I don't have google account pics didn't work for me

flraptor07
10-17-2013, 02:10 PM
hey flrap I don't have google account pics didn't work for me
Let me see if I can put them in a different way, I just copied and pasted from the email.

Darin Jordan
10-17-2013, 02:19 PM
Version 2 of the PT Stealth 30 is NAMBA Legal. It was the original version that wasn't. Transom bottom was about 1/2" too narrow.

785boats
10-17-2013, 02:29 PM
How do you do the leads through the side of the hull for your + lead?

Hi.
The leads are the safety loop that we must use for racing here in Australia.
I epoxy a piece of 3/8" timber with two holes in it for the female bullets, under the deck. Two holes drilled through the deck to match.
The female bullets, with a short piece of wire and a connector to suit the battery on one & the ESC on the other, are epoxied into the timber protruding through the deck a bit.
The actual loop is a short piece of wire with a male bullet on each end.
Here's a pic of the loose bits.
The other piece of timber & brass tube in the pic is just a water outlet.

flraptor07
10-17-2013, 02:44 PM
Let's see if this works for my Popeye pics106665106666106667

Darin Jordan
10-17-2013, 02:48 PM
Let's see if this works for my Popeye pics106665106666106667

The boat actually doesn't look too bad from an appearance standpoint. Can you post some pics of the bottom?

Also, some dimensions I'd be interested in seeing:


1) Tunnel width
2) Pickle-Fork Depth (tips of sponsons to leading edge of center section)
3) Transom width at it's narrowest point
4) Tunnel Depth at rear-most of ride-pad
5) Distance from aft of ride pad to the transom
6) AoA
7) Dihedral angle
8) Tunnel break location

Doby
10-17-2013, 04:41 PM
Hey Darin:

I can measure #1, #3, #4,#5 for you when I get home tonight....As for the others...might need a diagram to figure out what you mean.

ron1950
10-17-2013, 05:10 PM
doby sorry to ask again as I have a short memory but where did your p hydro balance at? mine is about 1.5 inches back of sponson and about the middle of the black aq skid fin... anywhere close?

Doby
10-17-2013, 05:15 PM
Let's see if this works for my Popeye pics106665106666106667


Hey Ron, if you look at the 1st pic..with battery, it balances out in the middle of the dark greed curved area of the outer hull.

All depends on battery placement though.

ron1950
10-17-2013, 05:22 PM
thanks bud as its close and my battery is all the way forward..guess that 1515 is a heavy sucker

Doby
10-17-2013, 05:46 PM
In my P-Sport, I place the battery sideways so the ends of it are supported under the hull...lets me get the CG farther forward. See pics at the beginning of the P-Spec thread.

ron1950
10-17-2013, 06:02 PM
I think i am really close as the cg is right at the middle of the turn fin...if this turns out to be tail heavy I can deff do the sideways battery trick thanks those dinogy 4s 5000 packs are really long and of course I had to use a t180 which is kinda big also got it all stuffed in though

tlandauer
10-17-2013, 10:04 PM
Got Email from Monica today, my Popeye is done and ready to ship!! :banana: Got pics too and it looks great, just as I ordered no decals except for TFL logo on the rear deck https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=abe3bc0df7&view=att&th=141c6f584831e59c&attid=0.2&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P8BvQZ98Wh201ZMaPG1Y9W1&sadet=1382028908629&sads=wS8NDjQx5KyJJBgUn0rbnWJEkkc


Same here! :buttrock:106677 106678 106679
I did end up buying a TFL 4082 motor, I figure for that price it doesn't hurt to try. I really wanted a Neu 1515 1y but OSE is out of stock, so maybe later I will get the 1515 1y
I decided to have the decals simply because decal and paint hate me and I would mess up the whole thing if I try to do something myself! :lol:

flraptor07
10-17-2013, 11:58 PM
The boat actually doesn't look too bad from an appearance standpoint. Can you post some pics of the bottom?

Also, some dimensions I'd be interested in seeing:


1) Tunnel width
2) Pickle-Fork Depth (tips of sponsons to leading edge of center section)
3) Transom width at it's narrowest point
4) Tunnel Depth at rear-most of ride-pad
5) Distance from aft of ride pad to the transom
6) AoA
7) Dihedral angle
8) Tunnel break location

I don't have the boat in hand yet so I can't give you measurements but here's a pic of the bottom 106684

flraptor07
10-18-2013, 12:01 AM
Same here! :buttrock:106677 106678 106679
I did end up buying a TFL 4082 motor, I figure for that price it doesn't hurt to try. I really wanted a Neu 1515 1y but OSE is out of stock, so maybe later I will get the 1515 1y
I decided to have the decals simply because decal and paint hate me and I would mess up the whole thing if I try to do something myself! :lol:
Cool man looks like we're gonna get them about the same time, good luck with yours!

tlandauer
10-18-2013, 12:06 AM
Cool man looks like we're gonna get them about the same time, good luck with yours!

Thanks man! I love the pictures and can't wait to see her in person!
Happy Boating!
:beerchug:

sampit
10-18-2013, 09:59 AM
Do you think this turn fin would be ok on a popeye?

http://www.horracing.com/product_info.php?cPath=38&products_id=787&osCsid=h4hvfbmsj5jkr1htfaj6g25hf2

LiPo Power
10-18-2013, 11:26 AM
We use Aquacraft uL-1 turn fin but the one on your link
Looks just fine and up to the task




Do you think this turn fin would be ok on a popeye?

http://www.horracing.com/product_info.php?cPath=38&products_id=787&osCsid=h4hvfbmsj5jkr1htfaj6g25hf2

ron1950
10-18-2013, 12:57 PM
id compare shipping on both turn fins ...there has been a lot of talk on here of problems with hor
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?43825-H-O-R-racing

flraptor07
10-18-2013, 01:10 PM
Anybody know the part# for the UL-1 turn fin? Is it AQUB9515 ?

ron1950
10-18-2013, 01:45 PM
yes that's one of em I use the black anodized one myself just personal pick (I just like to spend more money lol)

JimClark
10-18-2013, 02:25 PM
I think the black one is heavier and stiffer

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flraptor07
10-18-2013, 03:28 PM
yes that's one of em I use the black anodized one myself just personal pick (I just like to spend more money lol)

Kintec makes a heavy duty mounting bracket for it too. The way Kintec's site is I can't put a link up. Also how big of a boat do you think this fin would be good for? I have a 44" Hydro I'm doing and wondering if this fin would work on it too.

Doby
10-18-2013, 04:10 PM
On a 44" hydro I'd be looking for something a lot stronger.

LiPo Power
10-20-2013, 12:07 PM
Turn fin:

http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=dh-aqub9539

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXVXS6&P=7

ray schrauwen
10-20-2013, 01:47 PM
For a few dollars more Mike Hughes will make you a killer turn fin made with 7075.

LiPo Power
10-20-2013, 03:19 PM
I have one for sale here:

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?39354-Turn-Fin-Kit-custom-made-by-BBY-Racing

Heave duty with bracket and side support and mounting kit.

tlandauer
10-20-2013, 04:48 PM
For those of you who have already replaced the stock turn fin with the UL-1 turn fin, I am curious to know to what extend do you have to re-drill the holes to fit the bracket? Can at least one hole be used? I ask because I want to position the bracket at the right spot, may be I am getting ahead of myself since I don't have the boat yet.
Thanks

Doby
10-20-2013, 05:04 PM
For those of you who have already replaced the stock turn fin with the UL-1 turn fin, I am curious to know to what extend do you have to re-drill the holes to fit the bracket? Can at least one hole be used? I ask because I want to position the bracket at the right spot, may be I am getting ahead of myself since I don't have the boat yet.
Thanks

The outer existing hole is used and a new upper hole needs to be drilled.

tlandauer
10-20-2013, 05:10 PM
Thanks Doby!!!

ron1950
10-20-2013, 07:24 PM
I used a generous amount of clear silacon in the inner hole...was in a hurry ...prob would use a small wood dowel and epoxy if had the time...

JimClark
10-20-2013, 08:17 PM
Anyone figure out if these are namba legal?


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flraptor07
10-20-2013, 08:45 PM
Anyone figure out if these are namba legal?


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From what I've been told and my interpretation of the rule book...... YES

Doby
10-20-2013, 08:55 PM
I'd like to see the measurements for all hydros running in both organizations to see how they are interpreted.

flraptor07
10-20-2013, 09:06 PM
I'd like to see the measurements for all hydros running in both organizations to see how they are interpreted.

Doby, You've got one in hand, do you think it's legal? I just had Monica give me measurements, I haven't got mine yet.

Monica Smith
10-20-2013, 09:27 PM
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Jeff
10-20-2013, 10:04 PM
It apears to measure over 35 inches long. So it would be a Q boat, not a P or P-limited.

Doby
10-20-2013, 10:10 PM
its only 32" long.

As for the other measurements for the two organizations...some are straightforward...others are difficult to comprehend...again, someone who actually knows how to interpret them, tell me and I'll measure...not going to waste time otherwise.

Doby
10-20-2013, 10:13 PM
It apears to measure over 35 inches long. So it would be a Q boat, not a P or P-limited.

I wouldn't have started two "P" threads is the length was over 34"

LuckyDuc
10-20-2013, 10:15 PM
Doby,

Take a picture of the bottom, open it in Microsoft paint and draw lines to show the various measurements. We'll help you figure it out.

Doby
10-20-2013, 10:19 PM
The boat actually doesn't look too bad from an appearance standpoint. Can you post some pics of the bottom?

Also, some dimensions I'd be interested in seeing:



1) Tunnel width 173mm
2) Pickle-Fork Depth (tips of sponsons to leading edge of center section)
3) Transom width at it's narrowest point 185mm
4) Tunnel Depth at rear-most of ride-pad 25mm
5) Distance from aft of ride pad to the transom 445 mm
6) AoA
7) Dihedral angle
8) Tunnel break location



Added some dimensions above

Doby
10-20-2013, 10:21 PM
Doby,

Take a picture of the bottom, open it in Microsoft paint and draw lines to show the various measurements. We'll help you figure it out.


Nope...somebody show me a diagram of how to measure the rest....I'm interested in others interpretations of the rules...should be interesting to see how many are different....so far no-one has answered my initial request.

ron1950
10-20-2013, 10:30 PM
the 895mm lenth is wrong...its 822mm or 32. something inches

LuckyDuc
10-20-2013, 10:43 PM
OK? :confused2:
I can't interpret what I can't see or measure.:huh:
A picture would help in guiding you for measuring

Doby
10-20-2013, 10:47 PM
Sean...read the NAMBA rule book for P-Sport...draw me a pic:laugh:

Doby
10-20-2013, 10:48 PM
Hull length =32 inches

Jeff
10-20-2013, 10:52 PM
Hull length =32 inches

Did you use the namba guidelines for measuring a boat to come up with that?

Since the rule book scares you.

4. Hull Measurement Guidelines
a) When a hull minimum or maximum length measurement is specified for any
class, that hull will be measured by placing two vertical straight edges at the
furthest points fore and aft of the bow and transom of the hull. The distance
between those two vertical straight edges will be measured. Hardware will
not be included in the measurement.
b) The hull will be placed between those two vertical edges and situated in the
same horizontal position in which the hull would ride on the water. Any
flanges, “shoebox” overhangs or other parts of the hull that are part of the
original manufacturing process will be included in the measurement.

Doby
10-20-2013, 11:07 PM
P max is 34"...this boat is 32" should..not be to hard to understand for you.....under 34=P...over 34=Q

Read the NAMBA rule book......its some of the other things in the Electric P-Sport section that are "confusing"...not scary...Although it is close to Halloween.

ron1950
10-20-2013, 11:17 PM
jeff give it a rest the 895mm is wrong its only 32 in or 822mm...

Doby
10-20-2013, 11:42 PM
Section #20 of the NAMBA rule book, para 12 actually has a diagram...so that helps.....


So...

#10 says: no boat shall have an afterplane greater than 60% of the total hull length..

overall length is 812mm
60% would be 487.2mm
actual measurement is 455mm...which is less that 60%

My interpretation would be that it meets this requirement.

Doby
10-20-2013, 11:50 PM
Now lets go to section C, para 2 of the FE Sport Hydroplane rules:

Riding surfaces must be in the front 50% of the total hull length.

overall length is 812mm
50% of that would be 406mm
actual measurement is 455mm from the transom.....which is more than 50%

My interpretation would be that it meets this requirement.

Doby
10-21-2013, 12:02 AM
Now lets go back to the diagram in section #20....

On pickle fork hulls the open area should not exceed 25% of the total hull length....A+B in the diagram.

overall length is 812mm
25% of that would be 203mm
actual measurement is 170mm.....which is less that 25%

My interpretation would be that it meets this requirement.

Doby
10-21-2013, 12:02 AM
I'm going to bed now..

Darin Jordan
10-21-2013, 12:48 AM
I'm going to bed now..

Hahaha... Thanks, Doby... I was actually only interested in the measurements from a design curiousity. I could give a rip is it was legal or not. I just try to get measurements from all of the boats out there so I can see how what I'm goind "measures up". :)


Sleep Tight...

ray schrauwen
10-21-2013, 09:09 AM
Good brekky reading. The Dihedral isn't too easy to measure since the sponsons have two angles. What to do? Add the two or subtract the two???

Darin Jordan
10-21-2013, 09:09 AM
jeff give it a rest the 895mm is wrong its only 32 in or 822mm...

It's not unusual for a manufacturer to provide the OVERALL length, which includes the hardware, etc. Always a good idea to check.


My interpretation would be that it meets this requirement.

It looks to me like the whole boat meets the "requirement"... It's good to measure and make sure, so THANK YOU for doing that, Doby.

As I said, I was just interested in the Dimensions for the design curiosity aspect of things.

It's great that there is another viable option out there to get people into the game. Plenty of room for others, that's for sure!!

Darin Jordan
10-21-2013, 09:14 AM
Good brekky reading. The Dihedral isn't too easy to measure since the sponsons have two angles. What to do? Add the two or subtract the two???

Ray,

The "Dihedral" angle is the actual ride-surface... the other angle would be the "non-trip" area.

To measure it is actually pretty easy. I usually take a picture from the back, then use a Protractor on the picture (printed out or ???) and that's usually close enough.

If you need it more precisely, there are some measurements you can to using the ATAN (Arc Tangent) Trig calculation that can give you the precise angle (well, as precisely as you can mesure a couple of distances), but that's not necessary here. I was just wondering.

AoA can be mesured the same way, though with that (more important to me), I usually use the ATAN calculation to get it exactly.

Doby
10-21-2013, 09:16 AM
Hi Darin:

I'll gladly give you the other measurements you asked for...just tell me how to measure them.

Or, at the 2014 Nats, you can have your way with one of my hulls and measure to your hearts content....bring out out calipers, slide rule, portable CMM, atomic clock, calculator watch, abacus...what ever you need.:laugh:

I totally get you curiosity as you do design work for PB.

Is there some sort of "master list" of all "legal" hulls out there somewhere...or does everyone just assume that theirs is OK?

Darin Jordan
10-21-2013, 09:22 AM
Hi Darin:
Is there some sort of "master list" of all "legal" hulls out there somewhere...or does everyone just assume that theirs is OK?

No master list that I know of... Just the rules. And, like we saw with the 1st Gen PT Stealth 30, sometimes people DO assume they are legal (PT Stealth 30 transom width at the bottom of the transom didn't meet the width requirement).

It would be nice if they updated the rules just a tad to provide more clarity on the measurements.

Looking forward to seeing these boats in person.

ray schrauwen
10-21-2013, 09:37 AM
The only real uproar of the rules for sport hydroplane that I can recall happened back in 2005 or 06 in MI Nats. I think there was one gent that had a vintage scale hydroplane that was considered a sport hydroplane but by the numbers it was closer to a rigger. That and the vented H&M hulls that most people gave up on.

Small chance in hell but, if I were to place in the top 3 in 2014 for LSH, my PTSS is illegal as per NAMBA. Not like I care about records but, if I were to place (snowball in hell) I'd like a trophy for my efforts.

I don't have a problem modifying my hull. I just need to know ahead of time. Even though Terry said don't worry about it, I don't want to put anyone off. The only thing that hurts a tad is the loss of $100 worth of paint

ron1950
10-25-2013, 09:05 PM
ran the popeye today with the new1515 2200kv motor m545 and blew it over twice....cg is too far back with a dinogy 5000 battery second run I raised the strut a 1/16 or so...and it ran faster but nose high ...next time out I will put battery sideways up front and put cg a inch farther forward....and see what that does.....I like it so far just needs to be trimed up some

having some trouble moving the cg forward...batteries sideways or straight forward no change in cg,,any suggestions? probably have to put a bit of neg in strut

Darin Jordan
10-25-2013, 09:18 PM
ran the popeye today with the new1515 2200kv motor m545 and blew it over twice....cg is too far back with a dinogy 5000 battery second run I raised the strut a 1/16 or so...and it ran faster but nose high ...next time out I will put battery sideways up front and put cg a inch farther forward....and see what that does.....I like it so far just needs to be trimed up some

Ron... if it's blowing over, you should be running the strut lower, not higher... The closer the strut is to the tunnel, the higher the nose is going to ride (because the tail is running lower...)

ron1950
10-25-2013, 09:22 PM
ya thanks darin...seems the biggest problem I have right now is cg back of sponson about 2 inches ...hopefully that's not going to be bad as I cant seem to get the gc farther forward

ray schrauwen
10-25-2013, 10:41 PM
Are you running 2P if not can you try? In P-sport I'd be running 2P but, that's me.


ran the popeye today with the new1515 2200kv motor m545 and blew it over twice....cg is too far back with a dinogy 5000 battery second run I raised the strut a 1/16 or so...and it ran faster but nose high ...next time out I will put battery sideways up front and put cg a inch farther forward....and see what that does.....I like it so far just needs to be trimed up some

having some trouble moving the cg forward...batteries sideways or straight forward no change in cg,,any suggestions? probably have to put a bit of neg in strut

ron1950
10-25-2013, 10:56 PM
1p ray so far...I tried fiddling with it with 2p but it didn't seem to make any difference in cg...I am still working on it lol...thanks

ray schrauwen
10-25-2013, 11:16 PM
I figured it's large enough for 2P. Did yours com with motor mount in? The rtr seem like the motor is way back more than I'd want.

ron1950
10-25-2013, 11:34 PM
The rtr seem like the motor is way back more than I'd want.

yes the boat came with the motormount installed..i agree the motor mount seems to be farther back then I would have put it ....later I might remove it and start all over again

Darin Jordan
10-25-2013, 11:47 PM
ya thanks darin...seems the biggest problem I have right now is cg back of sponson about 2 inches ...hopefully that's not going to be bad as I cant seem to get the gc farther forward

That's the typical problem with a Pickle-Fork design... On most of those I've had, weight had to be added to the sponson tips. On the Stealth 30, we poured epoxy mixed with lead shot.

ron1950
10-26-2013, 12:17 AM
hope it doesent come to that epoxy lead shot stuff but I may think about it

sampit
10-26-2013, 10:13 AM
We are building a scratch build Popeye for that reason, the factory COG is probably OK if your your running a small 3660 motor and small 4s packs, but start adding bigger motors and bigger packs, it need to way further forward this one is being set up for 6s Dinogy 5100 and a TP 4082 1450kv

couldn't set the cog running the 6s pack lengthways.
its set at one and half inches from the heel, ( thanks Paul)

just need to epoxy the carbon inlay in, order some hardware, to do a final check.

In the mean time, we would like to blue print the sponsons, or maybe add some ride pads, as the sponsons are a little bit out and rocky,
Any one help with blueprinting or adding ride pads? Sure it would make a big difference, but not sure what's the best way to deal with it.

Wetter
10-26-2013, 08:01 PM
i love spinach, i want Popeye But ML 36" is more up my alley.
but ATR is somethn' i can follow, just wish i did not have to order across sea.

ron1950
10-27-2013, 12:33 AM
btw found out last night why it chine walked and blew over for no apparent reason....the AQ turn fin brace has a wide hole in the bottom bolt hole for adjustment.... it was slipping badly super hard to get to the nuts that hold that brace inside the boat....so the slightest right rudder pulled the turn fin out almost a quarter inch but ill get it fixed and try again see what it will do

Heaving Earth
10-27-2013, 08:50 AM
When I have slippage between two parts as described, I take some 80 grit paper and rough the two surfaces that contact each other. Do that and it won't slip anymore


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Jeff
10-27-2013, 08:51 AM
btw found out last night why it chine walked and blew over for no apparent reason....the AQ turn fin brace has a wide hole in the bottom bolt hole for adjustment.... it was slipping badly super hard to get to the nuts that hold that brace inside the boat....so the slightest right rudder pulled the turn fin out almost a quarter inch but ill get it fixed and try again see what it will do

Ron, would you be able to scuff up a piece of 1/4 inch aluninium flat stock and epoxy it in there? You could then drill and tap some screws from the outside.

ray schrauwen
10-27-2013, 11:43 AM
Or a center punch on one of the inside surfaces will do too.


When I have slippage between two parts as described, I take some 80 grit paper and rough the two surfaces that contact each other. Do that and it won't slip anymore


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ron1950
10-27-2013, 12:20 PM
I may try again to get it tight and may put another nut and bolt in the open slot...it wont be that big a prob;lem

Heaving Earth
10-27-2013, 01:34 PM
Or a center punch on one of the inside surfaces will do too.

Yes but will that not cause issues if you want to make a slight adjustment? I'm trying to visualize what you mean.

Pardon my ignorance here

flraptor07
10-28-2013, 08:56 PM
I'm so depressed, I just tracked my Popeye and it said "Failed Delivery" Returned to Sender. Not sure what happened but I'm sure it's gonna be a couple more weeks before I get it now :crying:

Doby
10-28-2013, 09:11 PM
That sucks....maybe you don't live where you think you do:doh:

flraptor07
10-28-2013, 09:40 PM
That sucks....maybe you don't live where you think you do:doh:

I thought I lived where I thought I did, but maybe I don't:confused1:

ron1950
10-28-2013, 10:22 PM
call your post office tomorrow and ask what the heck!

flraptor07
10-28-2013, 11:59 PM
call your post office tomorrow and ask what the heck!

Oh Trust me, that's the first thing I'm doing in the morning!

tlandauer
10-29-2013, 12:24 AM
Did you receive any notes from your local post office? That's full of it, they can't do that! I don't know how yours is, but mine went all the way to Singapore, I asked why, the answer is shipping directly from China would have been even more expensive! I am watching/tracking or should I say tracing it daily for fear that it will be returned to the sender as I have been warned .
I am keeping my fingers crossed for you, man, it is no fun, hope to hear some good news from you tomorrow!
:beerchug:

ron1950
10-29-2013, 01:38 PM
well what happened with the post office?

flraptor07
10-29-2013, 08:01 PM
well what happened with the post office?

I called them today and they said it was returned to TFL for "No such address/Wrong address" My cell Ph# and Email was on the shipping label and I never received a call, Email, or anything! I'm so pissed at USPS I could choke the *!***!***!***!** out of someone!! Monica confirmed my address with me last night and it was correct so I don't know what the hell happened. I guess we'll see when she gets it back and they ship it back out.:mad:

tlandauer
10-30-2013, 02:42 AM
I called them today and they said it was returned to TFL for "No such address/Wrong address" My cell Ph# and Email was on the shipping label and I never received a call, Email, or anything! I'm so pissed at USPS I could choke the *!***!***!***!** out of someone!! Monica confirmed my address with me last night and it was correct so I don't know what the hell happened. I guess we'll see when she gets it back and they ship it back out.:mad:
Sorry to hear that ,man. Can you trace who was the delivery man? I have this happened when the regular mail man was on vacation and the sub got everything wrong and delivered my paid check to a new neighbor who didn't know me, needless to say I got the check SIX months later. :frusty:
On EMS they have to make a delivery and if not deliverable, someone has to sign it. SOMEBODY at your local Post Office dropped the ball.

flraptor07
10-30-2013, 12:25 PM
Sorry to hear that ,man. Can you trace who was the delivery man? I have this happened when the regular mail man was on vacation and the sub got everything wrong and delivered my paid check to a new neighbor who didn't know me, needless to say I got the check SIX months later. :frusty:
On EMS they have to make a delivery and if not deliverable, someone has to sign it. SOMEBODY at your local Post Office dropped the ball.

This actually happened in Jamica N.Y. USPS Customs branch, it never made it to my local USPS office. So I have no way of finding out a specific person that was responsible for it.:cursing:

tlandauer
10-30-2013, 01:19 PM
This actually happened in Jamica N.Y. USPS Customs branch, it never made it to my local USPS office. So I have no way of finding out a specific person that was responsible for it.:cursing:

Look on the bright side:sarcasm1:, mine DID arrive but is damaged!!!!!! Local PO stamped "received as damaged", at first I thought was only the box, had to work, after I came home around midnight, I re-checked and on the starboard side there is an inch or two gel coat crack, I think the box was severely compressed, now I got to fix it before going to the pond, but I want to send pictures to TFL so they can be aware of the problem. Anytime an individual box goes halfway around the globe, there is a chance some s*** is going to happen. In the past I would have been so upset, but I have learned to accept the unavoidable, not saying that you should not be upset, I am just saying in my case I am too tired to get all worked up. I will post some pictures after I get in touch with TFL.
It does suck in a big way.
I am liking the quality of the boat, so just to clarify, this is not a complain against TFL.

flraptor07
10-30-2013, 05:26 PM
Look on the bright side:sarcasm1:, mine DID arrive but is damaged!!!!!! Local PO stamped "received as damaged", at first I thought was only the box, had to work, after I came home around midnight, I re-checked and on the starboard side there is an inch or two gel coat crack, I think the box was severely compressed, now I got to fix it before going to the pond, but I want to send pictures to TFL so they can be aware of the problem. Anytime an individual box goes halfway around the globe, there is a chance some s*** is going to happen. In the past I would have been so upset, but I have learned to accept the unavoidable, not saying that you should not be upset, I am just saying in my case I am too tired to get all worked up. I will post some pictures after I get in touch with TFL.
It does suck in a big way.
I am liking the quality of the boat, so just to clarify, this is not a complain against TFL.

I've always wondered why packages coming from China (Hong Kong area) go to N.Y. It would be a shorter distance to fly the packages in to L.A. or San Francisco.

tlandauer
10-30-2013, 05:49 PM
I've always wondered why packages coming from China (Hong Kong area) go to N.Y. It would be a shorter distance to fly the packages in to L.A. or San Francisco.
:noidea: Apparently San Francisco was the entry point for custom inspection, then it was handed to ''distribution centre" where it was stamped " Received in Damaged Condition". It is funny because Monica sent pictures to me prior to shipping and everything looked picture perfect, the motor mount had screws attached, etc. Well, two of them fell out including the set screws on the collet, here is want I am thinking, how much shaking/vibration does it take to back out those screws?! I sure am glad that I wasn't on that flight!!! :lol: Hate to think what that does to the plane. :scared:

flraptor07
10-30-2013, 07:01 PM
:noidea: Apparently San Francisco was the entry point for custom inspection, then it was handed to ''distribution centre" where it was stamped " Received in Damaged Condition". It is funny because Monica sent pictures to me prior to shipping and everything looked picture perfect, the motor mount had screws attached, etc. Well, two of them fell out including the set screws on the collet, here is want I am thinking, how much shaking/vibration does it take to back out those screws?! I sure am glad that I wasn't on that flight!!! :lol: Hate to think what that does to the plane. :scared:

Oh you should see how freight aircraft are maintained, let's just say it's a wonder that more of them don't fall out of the sky! I've got a A&E license and if it doesn't haul people then the maintainence schedules are pretty loose

ron1950
10-30-2013, 07:12 PM
mine had a few set screws and motor mount screws missing also, never did find most of em ....every now and then a screw or washer is laying in the boat lol....never did figure what was supposed to hold the steering arm at the rudder....

tlandauer
10-30-2013, 07:28 PM
Oh you should see how freight aircraft are maintained, let's just say it's a wonder that more of them don't fall out of the sky! I've got a A&E license and if it doesn't haul people then the maintainence schedules are pretty loose
I hope the pilots are well paid! :buttrock:


mine had a few set screws and motor mount screws missing also, never did find most of em ....every now and then a screw or washer is laying in the boat lol....never did figure what was supposed to hold the steering arm at the rudder....

I shook the Popeye violently! I figured she is used to it by now! :bounce: And most of them came out from hiding!:lol:

tlandauer
11-04-2013, 02:09 AM
I have been busy so I want to apologize for yanking this wonderful thread a bit off topic last week.
When I sent the pictures to Monica , I got the most supportive reply back from her and TFL, first thing I need is to go to my local post office and obtain a damage claim form, things will start from there, will report back as how things are progressing.
I went ahead and glassed the side where the upper and lower joined, the gelcoat that is cracked was touched up with a layer of CA glue. So now 90% of the seam is doubled up with FG/WestSystem.
Next question I have is that for the AC UL-1 turnfin bracket to mount in such a way so the blade is ABSOLUTELY parallel with the center of the hull ( An IMAGINARY CENTER LINE as if the boat is running straight forward w/o any outside interference) , one has to either shim or bent the bracket, am I correct? The area/surface where the bracket would mount is not perpendicular to the "IMAGINARY CENTER LINE", the back of the sponson is slightly angled.
Those of you who have run the boat, what is your solution?

785boats
11-04-2013, 03:02 AM
You are correct. I just bent the bracket so that it ran parallel to the centre line.

tlandauer
11-04-2013, 03:20 AM
You are correct. I just bent the bracket so that it ran parallel to the centre line.

Thanks!!

Doby
11-04-2013, 09:22 AM
On both of mine, I use the existing outer mounting hole for the lower hole of the UL-1 bracket, and then drill a top hole...bend slightly once the fin is on.

tlandauer
11-04-2013, 07:34 PM
On both of mine, I use the existing outer mounting hole for the lower hole of the UL-1 bracket, and then drill a top hole...bend slightly once the fin is on.

Thanks, I just thought I might break something if I bend the bracket while it is already on the hull, guess the hull with the doubler is stronger than I thought!

Doby
11-04-2013, 08:16 PM
I went further and added an aluminum plate on top of the plywood doubler.

Monica Smith
11-05-2013, 05:56 AM
Sorry, anybody can answer me, is there any problem with OSE private message? Today I tried to answer some private messages here, but couldn't send out!

flraptor07
11-05-2013, 08:35 AM
Sorry, anybody can answer me, is there any problem with OSE private message? Today I tried to answer some private messages here, but couldn't send out!
Monica; Not that I know of, I worked for me last night

LiPo Power
11-05-2013, 09:19 AM
Monica, sometimes when receiving person has its inbox full you will not be able to sent it....
Robert




Sorry, anybody can answer me, is there any problem with OSE private message? Today I tried to answer some private messages here, but couldn't send out!

Monica Smith
11-05-2013, 09:46 AM
No! Just now I tried my private email again, I can receive messages, but I CAN'T SEND ANY MESSAGES OUT FROM MY ACCOUNT Yet! I don't know what was wrong with my private account.
Here is my apologies for all the people who sent me private inquiry, I can't reply in time. If need, please send to my email address directly: kwl@tflhobby.com

PS: Thank you, LiPo Power, I did get your message, but couldn't send out the reply.

tlandauer
11-12-2013, 03:01 AM
Doby, please let me know if I should post these pictures and comments in a separate thread, I don't want to clutter up your thread, thanks!:beerchug:
I had to notch the rear motor support ring in order for it to seat correctly without unnecessarily enlarging holes on the side motor rails to find a spot for good/proper ring support. This worked and the collet to cable alignment is perfect! Very pleased, TFL did a good job with the angle of the tube.107808

Well, I tried to avoid bending the bracket on the hull, and using pliers didn't work. Not having the proper tools like a table vise is not a good thing! I shimmed it with a FG prototype board. All is good, inside I used G-10 FG for a second doubler. 107809 107810 107811 107812
Doby, excuse me for cluttering up your thread, question is where you put the JB Weld for the stuffing tube, how much sending /roughing up was it necessary for the JB Weld to "grab" the bottom and the brass tube?

ron1950
11-12-2013, 08:28 AM
question is where you put the JB Weld for the stuffing tube, how much sending /roughing up was it necessary for the JB Weld to "grab" the bottom and the brass tube?

well my stuffing tube almost fell out of the boat so no prob getting to it....I sanded the tube till it was shiney etc....taped around the hole as doby did in this thread somewhere just roughed up that area with sand paper and poured the jb,,,he has pics of it on here somewhere

tlandauer
11-12-2013, 11:13 AM
Thanks Ron, my stuffing tube is pretty secured.
Did you solve your COG issue?

ron1950
11-12-2013, 12:34 PM
Did you solve your COG issue?

no never did fix the cg....I am traveling with the wife for her business so not home at all sence I ran it last month....I will prob try to drop the strut and fix the turn fin movement problem and give it a try and see how it does...if the bow comes down then I may leave it and play with the props it ran pretty well with the m545 but there is more speed there somewhere

Doby
11-12-2013, 01:19 PM
Guys...no problem cluttering up the thread with good info and ideas..I'm just trying to keep the P-Spec and the P-Sport stuff in their respective threads..

As long as its in the right thread, clutter away:laugh:


I used a #60 grit sandpaper (i think) on the tube as well as the hull...I prefer rougher surfaces to JB weld onto. If you look at the P-Spec thread...somewhere around the begining is a pic of the JB weld area I used.

Doby
11-12-2013, 01:24 PM
Here it is:
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?42754-TFL-Hobbies-quot-Popeye-quot-Hydro&p=520129#post520129

flraptor07
11-12-2013, 01:29 PM
I like that epoxy job somebody did where they CAed a oring down around the tube and poured the jb in the oring. That looked pretty slick, I think I'll try that on my next one.

ron1950
11-12-2013, 03:24 PM
yes the o ring is good but this boat has the servo tray in the way so u would have to remove it or use the JB on the bottom

flraptor07
11-12-2013, 06:27 PM
yes the o ring is good but this boat has the servo tray in the way so u would have to remove it or use the JB on the bottom
Yeah I saw that, I got a Popeye coming for the second time thanx to USPS it's no wonder they're going under!

tlandauer
11-12-2013, 07:27 PM
Guys...no problem cluttering up the thread with good info and ideas..I'm just trying to keep the P-Spec and the P-Sport stuff in their respective threads..

As long as its in the right thread, clutter away:laugh:





I used a #60 grit sandpaper (i think) on the tube as well as the hull...I prefer rougher surfaces to JB weld onto. If you look at the P-Spec thread...somewhere around the begining is a pic of the JB weld area I used.

Here it is:
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?42754-TFL-Hobbies-quot-Popeye-quot-Hydro&p=520129#post520129
Thanks, Doby!


That looks great!:buttrock: Hopefully I will do a semi decent job.


yes the o ring is good but this boat has the servo tray in the way so u would have to remove it or use the JB on the bottom

Funny my tube has a layer of FG cloth on top, think may be I will sand/rough up a bit a put a dab of JB around just in case. (inside I mean)


Yeah I saw that, I got a Popeye coming for the second time thanx to USPS it's no wonder they're going under!

I am glad you are getting yours finally, I have yet to find the person at my locap P.Office who handles the damage claim, my branch has been down sizing, it has only one person serving and a roll of automated machines, another Postal Worker stands by the machine and is trying to convince everybody to use them. If no one is using, this worker just simply stands there and does nothing to help the line. BTW, my local P.O. is not a small one, not all is well...

flraptor07
11-12-2013, 08:18 PM
Well I did have a notice in the mail box this evening, so mine is here!:banana: I gotta go pick it up @ the post office in the morning, I can't believe it's finally here. I hope it's not smashed after two trips across the pond.:cursing: And I didn't learn my lesson the first time, I got another boat coming from TFL. If it hadn't been for Monica I probably wouldn't have ordered from them again but she did everything she could short of getting on a plane and delivering it herself, I hope they realize what a great employee they have! :thumbup:

flraptor07
11-13-2013, 04:16 PM
Well went to the post office this morning and picked up my Popeye, believe it or not after two trips back and forth across the pond it was mostly unscathed :w00t: The only thing that happened is the hatch came untaped and scratched the deck a little but I think 90% of that will polish out with some light compound and wax. I'm gonna start putting it together tonight:biggrin: Neu 1515 1Y, 220 Swordfish Data logger, Savox SW-0231MG Waterproof servo and all :thumbup: Can't wait to get this one in the water after waiting so long for it to get here!:frusty:

Doby
11-13-2013, 04:18 PM
Glad it made it there in one piece.

tlandauer
11-13-2013, 04:50 PM
Ditto :rockon2:

flraptor07
11-13-2013, 07:09 PM
glad it made it there in one piece.


ditto :rockon2:

MEEEE TOO! This is as close as I've come to having a stroke and wanting to kill someone dealing with a package:cursing: And I want to say again it wasn't Monica @ TFL, it was our wonderful USPS. The biggest bunch of incompotent morons I've ever dealt with in my life!!! :bash:

tlandauer
11-13-2013, 08:28 PM
MEEEE TOO! This is as close as I've come to having a stroke and wanting to kill someone dealing with a package:cursing: And I want to say again it wasn't Monica @ TFL, it was our wonderful USPS. The biggest bunch of incompotent morons I've ever dealt with in my life!!! :bash:

Finally got time to go to USPS to file damage report, took 4 hours, there was only one person working, line was long, after one hour the person they "paged" was not even working at that location, sent me to another location, had all the documents plus photos I took, no dice, they want to see the actual box and the boat, drove home, go back, wait in line, their Xerox machine broke... :swear::frusty:


You are right, Monica@TFL is great throughout this ordeal. So I am still happy with my PopEYe, I have done more, will post some pictures later.

tlandauer
11-17-2013, 04:21 PM
I just want to report my "progress", I know it's not a personal "build thread" so please bear with the pictures. I thought the stock water line is a bit on the small side and the thru hull fitting pinches the tube , I had the idea of using a 3/16" brass tube to go thru the fitting and bend it in such a way that it will be neat inside the hull.
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Here I am giving the mandatory "enema" water pressure test to PopEye. 108039 :lol: 108040108041

Doby
11-17-2013, 04:31 PM
I like the green color.

tlandauer
11-17-2013, 04:32 PM
I have not applied JB Weld around the stuffing tube exit since I don't know if I need to adjust the angle or even having the need to pull out the tube, right now it is lined up perfectly though.
This is the damage the hull sustained during transport:108042, it was mainly the gel coat but the spot was weakened and you can see the FG buckling under pressure, I"triple" glassed the spot and gave the entire hull a layer of FG cloth, only place I can't get is under the motor mount and the battery tray. Probably unnecessary but it makes me feel better and makes up for the mental disorder that I have about things not being in perfect shape.

tlandauer
11-17-2013, 04:35 PM
I like the green color.

Doby, thanks for introducing the PopEye, looking forward to run this hydro although I am headed for a busy spell the next two weeks, but will report back.

ron1950
11-17-2013, 05:30 PM
looks good..just ordered a through hull fitting and a new turn fin bracket for mine the other day...seems its always something!

Doby
11-17-2013, 05:58 PM
Do not run it without JB Welding first...it does not affect the potential strut adjustment..The factory tube is decent quality and shouldn't have to be removed for any foreseeable reason...but the factory fiberglassing of the tube will let go with the slightest movement.

Mine let go while I was messing around with the strut on my workbench.

tlandauer
11-17-2013, 06:16 PM
looks good..just ordered a through hull fitting and a new turn fin bracket for mine the other day...seems its always something!
Tell me about it, just found out the TFL 3/16 shaft ( threaded part ) is too big, none of my Octura props would go over! Grim Racer props on the other hand have no problem. :noidea: Good thing I have a Kintec 3/16 Flex/shaft.


Do not run it without JB Welding first...it does not affect the potential strut adjustment..The factory tube is decent quality and shouldn't have to be removed for any foreseeable reason...but the factory fiberglassing of the tube will let go with the slightest movement.

Mine let go while I was messing around with the strut on my workbench.
Thank you Doby for the warning in the nick of time! Will do ASAP!
Speaking of Strut adjustment, mine came with the top of the strut flush with the bracket, I looked very carefully at your pictures, they seem to indicate yours is set lower, although Ron's looked the same ( as mine ) unless he did not make adjustments yet when the pictures were taken? :help: What would be a good starting point?
Thanks in advance

ron1950
11-17-2013, 06:27 PM
Mine was flush then raised now back flush and may drop it some more to keep nose down

Doby
11-17-2013, 06:44 PM
I'm running my strut all the way up. Depends on props, and CG.

tlandauer
11-17-2013, 07:00 PM
Thanks guys! Appreciate your help!

flraptor07
11-19-2013, 07:15 PM
[QUOTE=tlandauer;537854]Tell me about it, just found out the TFL 3/16 shaft ( threaded part ) is too big, none of my Octura props would go over! Grim Racer props on the other hand have no problem. :noidea: Good thing I have a Kintec 3/16 Flex/shaft.

I had the same problem with the threaded part of my flex shaft too, The problem is that the threads are too tall. I carefully filed the tops of the threads off them ran a die back over it just in case any threads got too flat. now all my props work fine.

tlandauer
11-19-2013, 08:21 PM
[QUOTE=tlandauer;537854]Tell me about it, just found out the TFL 3/16 shaft ( threaded part ) is too big, none of my Octura props would go over! Grim Racer props on the other hand have no problem. :noidea: Good thing I have a Kintec 3/16 Flex/shaft.

I had the same problem with the threaded part of my flex shaft too, The problem is that the threads are too tall. I carefully filed the tops of the threads off them ran a die back over it just in case any threads got too flat. now all my props work fine.

That is a very good approach! :rockon2: I just did the elementary school thing :o: shortened a new Kintec .187" Flex /cable. But I found out this--- just turning the stub shaft ( with the whole cable all the way inserted into the collet w/o tightening the collet so it free spins) with my fingers , the Kintec cable/shaft has barely detectable friction where as the stock TFL one piece welded shaft was much harder to turn. The stub shaft is shorter on the Kintec and I also wonder if the cable is ever so slightly thinner in its diameter. :noidea: Although my caliper tells me that they are the same. :confused2:
I will have to remember your trick, but have to get a die first. Always new this and that. :laugh:

tlandauer
11-20-2013, 03:23 AM
Guys, check you hatches, I cracked mine in the front with very little pressure. I looked closely afterwards and realized it is so thin, almost only the gelcoat... maybe just mine. I laid two lateral heavy FG tape both front and back and two more strips( light weight FG tape) longitudinally along the outer portion of the hatch. It feels much sturdier yet still with enough flex so one can squeeze the hatch in order to mount flush---if yours is like mine.
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Black permanent markers have a bad habit of oozing out when mixed with Epoxy. :frusty:

flraptor07
11-20-2013, 07:38 PM
Here's the progress on my Popeye so far, I wasn't real happy with the thickness of the AQ turn fin so I made one from .062 aluminum instead of the .045 it was I also changed the shape, size, and radius a little. Put a dual cooling rudder on it and re epoxied the stuff tube with JB. Here's some pics... 108121108122108123108124108125

flraptor07
11-20-2013, 07:40 PM
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tlandauer
11-20-2013, 10:28 PM
Looks real great! :rockon2:
I love everything you have done, especially the servo mount. I had a turn fin made similar to yours but straight w/o the curve just incase.
The green lines over the wires are fab. What motor is on?
You matched the paint on the vertical fins well, that is cool.
What else have I forgotten?:lol:
You plan to use another thru the hull fitting for the second water line? Check the factory one, mine just fell out, lol...
What is the reason for the unsharpened bottom portion of the turn fin? Must be a reason...