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62 bugzilla
06-25-2008, 12:16 AM
I just got a 8xl and a x power 100 that will run on 2s2p elite 4800 25c and I need to know what prop to start with? I have a x642 ?

Steven Vaccaro
06-25-2008, 12:04 PM
A much smaller one. I rated the x-power 100 at 70 amps continuous. A 8xl can easily be more than 70 amps.

SweetAccord
06-25-2008, 12:07 PM
A much smaller one.

A much smaller one . . . like?

H&MWill
06-25-2008, 12:18 PM
I dont know but its not a very safe ESC for that 8XL.

62 bugzilla
06-25-2008, 05:24 PM
What about a mystery 200 (125) with fan cooling? I didn't know the x power 100 was only good for 70 but I did see alot of people using them with the ammo 2300. Should I switch to the ammo 2300 and use the x power or switch to the mystery 200 and use the 8xl? (i have a micro drifter project I'm doing right know and it's sucking up my money)

Steven Vaccaro
06-25-2008, 10:17 PM
Its really a toss up. Either direction will work.

SweetAccord
07-07-2008, 09:47 PM
Stay within an Octura x642 to x645 or a CF45.

Mich. Maniac
07-07-2008, 09:52 PM
DO NOT use a CF45 prop! you will blow your x100. A 642 would be the most for that esc. Not that its not a quality esc but you will see decent speeds with a 642. You could go with a bit more from there but I know there are at least 100A spikes with a cf45 prop. not that its constant but might as well not blow it before you get to use it!

hex-dj
07-07-2008, 11:23 PM
DO NOT use a CF45 prop! you will blow your x100. A 642 would be the most for that esc. Not that its not a quality esc but you will see decent speeds with a 642. You could go with a bit more from there but I know there are at least 100A spikes with a cf45 prop. not that its constant but might as well not blow it before you get to use it!

:tape: :tongue_smilie:
Oh there you go Itch. Brainiac saying "might" as well .....huh?

62 bugzilla
07-07-2008, 11:28 PM
I have decieded to go up to at least a 120 amp esc to be safer. I also want to get as much speed out of it as possible. Mich maniac your set up is the baseline and you got great speed out of it. Can't wait to test.

SweetAccord
07-08-2008, 12:01 AM
I was thinking these props with a Hydra 120, sorry.

hex-dj
07-08-2008, 12:27 AM
62 bugzilla I suggest you can use from x 637 to x 640 with that motor and esc combination.

Mich. Maniac
07-08-2008, 08:00 AM
Hex,, Please make sure you read the posts clearly, I stated he might as well NOT blow it before using it.

Thanks

Jeepers
07-08-2008, 09:14 AM
I just got a 8xl and a x power 100 that will run on 2s2p elite 4800 25c and I need to know what prop to start with? I have a x642 ?


Guys read what he posted he will run his 8XL on 2s2p. that motor will not have enough KV on that voltage and would have to swing a large prop to move.

Now if he is running 4s1p or 4s2p with the x power 100 esc an x438 y535 y536 would be the choices I would use. IMO 45mm props are to much for that esc.


bugzilla I would use the bigger esc on that set up.

62 bugzilla
07-08-2008, 06:49 PM
I posted wrong on the batterys 4s1p is what I'm going to use and a larger esc now after all your input. At least a 120 amp.

showstoppercat
07-23-2008, 08:34 PM
This is a little late hoping for some assistance - I'm about to install my SV with ammo 2300 - Xpower 100amp - Running 20 Cell 11.1V 5400mAh 3S LiPo - - - Props I currently have are cf40, cf45, cf48, x440, x440/3, Grim Racer L42 x 66 Lifter.... will any of these look after that esc ???

Steven Vaccaro
07-23-2008, 08:39 PM
Not sure what this means? "Running 20 Cell 11.1V 5400mAh 3S LiPo ", can you elaborate?

showstoppercat
07-23-2008, 09:30 PM
A pair of - Venom 3s 11.1v 5400Mah

Steven Vaccaro
07-24-2008, 06:29 AM
That will most likely need way more esc than the x-po 100.
I would run 4s. 6s with the 2300 is asking for problems.

lonewolf
07-24-2008, 07:25 AM
Here is a note about the expower 100 amp...http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?t=4403

ghostofpf1
07-24-2008, 12:12 PM
I am running an 8XL in a 33" mono w/x445 prop and pullng ~ 120 amps per my eagletree logger

HTH
Ghost

planezero
07-24-2008, 02:42 PM
I am running an 8XL in a 33" mono w/x445 prop and pullng ~ 120 amps per my eagletree logger

HTH
Ghost
Is that a max amps reading ? ...ie would you run it with a Hydra 120 ESC ?

ghostofpf1
07-24-2008, 03:27 PM
Yes..those were peak amp readings .I am running the hi-model 200 amp that Steven here has rated at 125 amps max (:confused1: ) so I imagine any true 120+ amp controller would do fine.My cheapy hi-model comes out at about 140 deg and motor is about the same after running the boat fairly hard.
I will say that although a 120 amp Hydra would probably be fine I like to see a little redundancy in power systems and would suggest something just a little larger if available.
HTH
Ghost

showstoppercat
07-24-2008, 08:06 PM
So i should scrape the X-power 100amp. and go with everyone's favorite CC Hyrda 120 or how about HexTronik PRO 120A BESC $56?????

ghostofpf1
07-24-2008, 08:18 PM
So i should scrape the X-power 100amp. and go with everyone's favorite CC Hyrda 120 or how about HexTronik PRO 120A BESC $56?????

I had one of the HXT 120's in a hot liner glider and it cogged pretty badly with a Hacker B40 8s motor so I couldn't outright recommend it.
Ghost

62 bugzilla
07-24-2008, 08:20 PM
I decided to run the hi model 200 from ose instead of the x power in my sv with the 8 xl from the response in this forum. I used the hi model 200 last weekend and it worked great. Of course you can't go wrong with the cc 120 . I haven't heard about the hextronic esc in boats yet but if you go that route let us know how it works .Good luck which ever way you go.

domwilson
07-24-2008, 08:28 PM
Being that the sv27 is a smaller boat, I think the Xpower should be adequate. The hex is a good ESC. Just waterproof and cool it. You may have to use a pistix depending on your radio. They do cog with 2 pole motors, but that is at low rpm's and when first starting. Running a brushless ESC at partial throttle in a boat is not recommended as they tend to heat up. I've used the hex and the only problem I had was programming thru the USB port let the smoke out. So my second one, I just programmed the LVC and it works great.

showstoppercat
07-24-2008, 09:11 PM
Is the issue the Ammo 2300 is too much motor for + Xpower 100 or is (6s 11.4 5400Mah) to much power/ battery for Xpower - I don't want anything to do bang that s the last thing on my mine

domwilson
07-24-2008, 09:20 PM
6S is probably too much for the xpower. It can only use 5S. The Ammo should work with the xpower ESC.
Specs for the Ammo 2300 are:
SPECS:
Motor Diameter: 1.42" (36mm)
Motor Length: 1.97" (50mm)
Shaft Diameter: 0.197" (5mm)
Shaft Length: 0.591" (15mm)
Kv Rating: 2300 rpm/volt
Weight: 8.3oz / 235gr
Input Voltage: 14.8-18.5V
Max. Constant Current: 60A
Max. Surge Current: 100A
No Load Current: 2.0A

Jeff Wohlt
07-25-2008, 04:32 PM
Remember, Ammo motors are 4 or 6 pole...(read their site) but Fiego are 2...hope I am remembering correctly.

This make a big difference in amp draw.

ChaKane
07-25-2008, 04:37 PM
In which direction does this make a difference? Does a two pole motor draw more current or less then a six pole?

Jeff Wohlt
07-25-2008, 05:29 PM
Yes, 2 pole draws harder...maybe that is what I should say.

chief2009
01-07-2009, 04:43 PM
what is better 4-6 pole or 2 pole?

6S HYDRO
04-06-2009, 01:17 PM
ammo motors are 2 pole, but the new ammo ul-1 motor is a six pole. they are designed to run 2 or multi-pole.

Steven Vaccaro
04-06-2009, 01:38 PM
ammo motors are 2 pole, but the new ammo ul-1 motor is a six pole. they are designed to run 2 or multi-pole.

I may be wrong, but the AquaCraft UL-1 motor is not called a "ammo" motor as far as I know. It may be because the "ammo" line of motors is 2 pole.

6S HYDRO
04-06-2009, 02:13 PM
take a close look at a ul-1 motor, its manufactured by great planes (ammo line) for aquacraft. the ammo line has option for multi-pole design, but the ammo's are only 2 pole right now.

Steven Vaccaro
04-06-2009, 03:34 PM
take a close look at a ul-1 motor, its manufactured by great planes (ammo line) for aquacraft. the ammo line has option for multi-pole design, but the ammo's are only 2 pole right now.


I didn't say they were not from the same factory. I only said its not called a "ammo" motor. Keeping names and things straight is better for the sharing of information.

They are all presumably from the same factory. Also, great planes, tower hobbies, aquacraft, ammo and a host of other brand names are all owned and operated by Great Planes.

6S HYDRO
04-06-2009, 04:47 PM
exactly, i forgot to put a / between.

hookedup
04-06-2009, 04:50 PM
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