DF 35" Pirate 1st build

[Savage Skidoo]

Hello , gotta say I'm hooked on FE's . Where too start. My 1st kick at it was with a Crappas Spartan :( , mind you they fixed it almost every time with me footing the return shipping bill (enough said) .......on too bigger and better :) , i have red mostly all of pirate builds , but with different hardware on the a$$ end i don't think it will all fit so any help is very welcome . I have two set-ups both with 180's , 4082 and a 4092 on 2-3s 5000's here are some pic's of the progress
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I laid carbon kevlar inlay with the west systems (luv using there product) , re-enforced the canopy with regular glass . I have some CF left over so i might add it to it for looks also . I bought a strut from ose , not knowing what i wanted for a hull and bought the hardware . is there such a thing as too much rudder on this boat . OSE you ROCK thanks for the speedy shipping .

[i2oadsweepei2]

I'd be curious to know if that rudder would work as well Mike. Are you still picking up the one like mine?

[Savage Skidoo]

Yes Kevin , we thinks OSE has sent it ....wont be long and we'll be building again.

[h2o 1]

Ur rudder is to close to the prop! Ur gonna have to move it over to the right more. You will also have to grind those pretty trim tabs too, to get the rudder installed. Is that the speedmaster 60,4'' offset rudder?

[Savage Skidoo]

i'm thinking its too big . its the speed master 013 , i have another one coming , i really like the trim tabs .

[h2o 1]

92213 This is the DF 35. The 35 pirate has abit more transom but as you can see things want the same piece of property! Yeah, the tabs are a work of art! I too would hate to see them facing a grinder!!

[Savage Skidoo]

Thanks h20 1 , thats a nice set up you got there , i just wanted my ass end to be sexy and different than my buddies build . in this case is there too much rudder that will hamper speed . what set up are you running in your DF 35 . Thanks for the reply ;)

[Savage Skidoo]

I'd be curious to know if that rudder would work as well Mike. Are you still picking up the one like mine?

Kevin if you get a chance post some pic's here also .

[h2o 1]

Thanks Savage,im gonna be running a Neu 1527 1y on 6s with a Hydra Ice 240. I will be building it soon. I sent the hull to Keith Bradley to have the whole inside inlayed in CF.Mine didn't come with the stringers so reinforcement was a must.

[Savage Skidoo]

i layed mine , it was the 1st attempt at lay'n it , the west systems , and a glass rolling tool is a must to get a good lay . When my bud chimes in i'll get him to post the glass rolling tool , is cheap to $10 .

[h2o 1]

WOW!! I'd never know that was ur first attempt at laying CF, looks GREAT!!! Yeah,having the right tools for the job makes the finished product more pleasing to the eye.

[Savage Skidoo]

WOW!! I'd never know that was ur first attempt at laying CF, looks GREAT!!! Yeah,having the right tools for the job makes the finished product more pleasing to the eye.
Thanks i'm very pleased also , i have the 2 part foam for the floatation in the bow and up the sides , i have all the parts ......just confused with the big rudder , maybe change up the tabs :( , or wait for my other rudder to come in next week .

[h2o 1]

Savage what is the dimensions of the rudder base that you have? The Speedmaster 60,which i have measures 32x44mm (1.25x 1.75'')

[Savage Skidoo]

Savage what is the dimensions of the rudder base that you have? The Speedmaster 60,which i have measures 32x44mm (1.25x 1.75'')

Mine is the same here's a picture .
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww105/savageskidoo/IMGA0223_zps32684280.jpg

[h2o 1]

The rudder will work but the tabs will prolly be in the way. Speedmaster rudders are beefy! I was going to use those tabs with mine but there was no way to get around grinding them. Too nice for that!! You can also trim that rudder down.

[Savage Skidoo]

i haven't got that far .....i got work tooo many hrs with little time to build , but gathering input from you and everyone else i hope things will pan out .

[h2o 1]

You'll do fine! You already have a great start! Good luck with ur build!!

[Savage Skidoo]

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww105/savageskidoo/IMGA0224_zps94cc125e.jpg
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww105/savageskidoo/IMGA0225_zpsb3fd25fd.jpg

heres some more pictures :) , nice too meet you , i'm Mike

[i2oadsweepei2]

i layed mine , it was the 1st attempt at lay'n it , the west systems , and a glass rolling tool is a must to get a good lay . When my bud chimes in i'll get him to post the glass rolling tool , is cheap to $10 .

Here are some pics Mike. There is so much great info here that makes building or trying something for the first time a lot less stressful.

Rolling tool.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j153/rdswper/1%20RC%20Boats/1%20Delta%20Force%2035/4503d69e298142c96cb89a88a3ad2cc1.jpg
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More pics of the inlays, 1st time in-laying as well. Hope they post correctly. Yellow is mine.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j153/rdswper/1%20RC%20Boats/1%20Delta%20Force%2035/b3daf1f39beef5f139576c8a43e6c99f.jpg
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[Savage Skidoo]

[QUOTE=h2o 1;479799]92213
This is nice Kevin , nice template , mines cardboard i'm not worthy :(

[i2oadsweepei2]

Am I posting correctly? Most of the pics I see on the forum are clickable thumbnails. Thanks

[h2o 1]

Wow!! You guys are naturals at layin the fiber!!! Looks awesome!!!! Nice to meet you too Mike! Im Mark. Looking good Mike!!

[i2oadsweepei2]

[QUOTE=h2o 1;479799]92213
This is nice Kevin , nice template , mines cardboard i'm not worthy :(

That is cool. Good plan makes a good outcome. We hope :)

[h2o 1]

Actually guys that template will be laminated on the outside of the hull,its an exact replica of my transom. nothing wrong with the cardboard,it works wonders too!!

[Savage Skidoo]

h20 were did you get the CF sheet from , it might be nice too have some of that lye'n around

[h2o 1]

Kintec Racing Mike. They have it in several thicknesses,from 1mm up to 2.5. Check it out

[Savage Skidoo]

ok cool , Kevin , Dave and I sat and had a few drinks at X-mas , i bought the boats from OSE and Kevin did the Kinetic order . I must browse ty more coin , i hope i dont see anything i like .

[h2o 1]

I know the feeling! Gimme,gimme,gimme!! lol! Dragonplate.com also has CF sheeting too,you can get bigger and thicker pieces there but its costly!

[tlandauer]

[QUOTE=i2oadsweepei2;479833]
Rolling tool.


Where did you get the rooling tool, looks great and the work you have done is beautiful!

[i2oadsweepei2]

Thank you for the compliment. I hope to get the lines a little more straight next time. The bricks were piling up behind me while I was doing it. Next time I won't be so nervous. The west system 206 gave us plenty of time. Enough to mix up a second batch in the middle of it.
I picked the tool up locally here just outside Toronto from port Whitby marine supply. I'm guessing that most or some marine suppliers would carry something similar. It worked very well for rolling up the sides and up underneath too. No bubbles remaining. I just did a quick google and found this for an example. About half way down the page
http://www.fiberglasssupply.com/Product_Catalog/LaminatingTools/laminatingtools.html.

[Savage Skidoo]

Yes thanks for the compliment also . Prep everything from covering up the hull , cutting the CF to size before you mix the epoxy , when you lay it in try not too move or disturb the weave as it will separate , bush in more epoxy then roll :) , why aren't we building Mr .

[tlandauer]

Thank you for the compliment. I hope to get the lines a little more straight next time. The bricks were piling up behind me while I was doing it. Next time I won't be so nervous. The west system 206 gave us plenty of time. Enough to mix up a second batch in the middle of it.
I picked the tool up locally here just outside Toronto from port Whitby marine supply. I'm guessing that most or some marine suppliers would carry something similar. It worked very well for rolling up the sides and up underneath too. No bubbles remaining. I just did a quick google and found this for an example. About half way down the page
http://www.fiberglasssupply.com/Product_Catalog/LaminatingTools/laminatingtools.html.
Thank you so much!!

[Savage Skidoo]

Whats the plan are we building today KA , have you heard from Dave . I think both of his boats are finished .

[i2oadsweepei2]

I'm ready to do some more work here. If he's done lets put him to work :D

[i2oadsweepei2]

I'd like to roughly mock up everything in the boat and try and find the cog.

I would like to use one of these too http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?37133-Isolation-loop-and-using-a-anti-spark-battery-lead
Sometimes other people want to help us get our boats back and get there before I can in the kayak. At least we could tell them to pull out the safety loop. I hold my breath when other people grab our over turned boats. Even when we let them know to keep clear of the prop. They have no idea what could happen. Us putting down our radios just doesn't cut it for me. Would you be interested as well?

[Savage Skidoo]

Kevin , i been scrolling through the pages , good idea . Added safety never hurts , we should keep this in mind when building . I like the one with the wire coming through the hull and reconnecting . You will never loose your wire .

[de-pro]

I didnt realize you started a thread on your build till Kevin pointed it out :smile:
I am far behind finishing my winter projects but took the easy way out by getting a couple of OSE builds. Steven rocks.
Sorry off topic but I finally did some more work on the jet boat.
btw Mike, nice avatar. Is it yours or mine...lol

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[Savage Skidoo]

Well i got some bling on the A$$ end
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[Savage Skidoo]

Ok i guess there's no response ....i'll keep going ...next is getting the COG and mount in the MM , ESC & Battery trays :) . Thanks for looking.

[h2o 1]

Im reading and following along bro! Its looking great!! Nice to see those tabs on there,they look sweeet!

[Savage Skidoo]

Thanks H2O , I have the West's systems , but i find it a bit runny . I have micro balloons to add and thicken it up has any one used this to keep the resins in place .

[h2o 1]

Micro ballons for filling,fumed silica for strong joints! Read that in a nice thread about West systems. Helpful info as i will be doing this also.

[Savage Skidoo]

Micro ballons for filling,fumed silica for strong joints! Read that in a nice thread about West systems. Helpful info as i will be doing this also.
Looking for the thread you were speaking of and could not find it can you please post the link H20 1 .

[h2o 1]

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?39879-West-System-205-fast-hardener-vs.-206-Slow-Hardener&highlight=pot+life

[Savage Skidoo]

coming along nicely Jb weld marine is awesome stuff to work with , great hanging with Kevin and Dave .
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[Savage Skidoo]

i got some more done ... put a wrap on the motor mounts . thanks for looking .
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[Savage Skidoo]

i know i've been lax'n got some laminating done as i did not want to drill through the hull to fix the lay down servo mount here are some pic's enjoy
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[Savage Skidoo]

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[Brushless55]

looking good!
what motor and kv are you going to run in this ?

[Savage Skidoo]

Thanks Brushless55 , in it is a 4092-1430kv and T180 on 2-3s 5000s . Some help on a prop would be awesome , in my box i have a p215 , p220 and a x442 . I have had lots of practice SBTR props as ive been the go to guy around here , some times putting my work behind . Thank your for the reply and looking .

[Brushless55]

I would start with the P220 and work up..
you may need bigger props for this one and it should really move out nice

[Savage Skidoo]

I've put some power to this beast and looks fine so far . This is the vid i shot of it . CLICK on the picture .
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww105/savageskidoo/th_IMGA0443_zps4a4425af.jpg (http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww105/savageskidoo/IMGA0443_zps4a4425af.mp4)
Some fine tuning now , the bow has 2 part foam in it . Heres were i need some help please .......dose any body have any ideas how to keep the hatch closed . thanks Mike

[Savage Skidoo]

Heres a short vid from my Maiden voyage , the p215 was ready to go so i used it but lost it in the drink :( . I did not GPS it , as i was checking for leaks and cog otherwise it ran great , now for the right cleaver on the rear it will be sweet :) . Thanks K.A. for the Video :tiphat:

http://youtu.be/F-mfFhfeOJA

[tlandauer]

Looks great! Congrats!
I used those billet trim tabs on my MHZ Lizard Xtreme, love them, they look awsome on your boat! Great build, all the CF work done beautifully! :rockon2:

[Savage Skidoo]

Here's another vid done by depro , thanks for looking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BTjxa7Wdmo&list=UUJc4PnctJlwwlrb_1fEDKGA&index=1

[Savage Skidoo]

I had 3 back to back runs this weekend , flawless runs . I've been working on a prop i got from kintec , its a P235 ........nice step up from the P220 runs cooler and WAY WAY faster . This weekend coming will get some vid's and GPS it .......

[Brushless55]

I had 3 back to back runs this weekend , flawless runs . I've been working on a prop i got from kintec , its a P235 ........nice step up from the P220 runs cooler and WAY WAY faster . This weekend coming will get some vid's and GPS it .......

great to hear man!
bigger prop and runs cooler, can't ask for much more on 6s...

[Savage Skidoo]

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I will also share this prop anvil i made with you , i cupped the P235 for the test run .

[Savage Skidoo]

Not the quickest boat on the market but i'll take it , GPS' it , now for some tweeking . I have a question for some of you more experienced Fe boaters . The boat gets up and goes at half throttle , i pull the trigger to full with no increase in speed , :confused1::help: 99818

[srislash]

Could be the LVC(low voltage cutoff) kicking in. That is a SK or T-180 in there right? I have mine programmed to 5s and 3.2 volts. Auto detect will cause this. Also make sure your throttle is calibrated.

[jim82]

Im thinking its probably the last thing shawn said..Go recalibrate throttle and tell us if that works..You can usually tell if its the LVC kicking in..

[Savage Skidoo]

Thanks very much for the reply s , i don't believe its the LCV. However the ESC is set to auto detect , i will try to re calibrate the unit and set the LCV to 3.2 . She's very stable and a fun boat to drive . I will be out on the water this weekend and will let you know . Thanks :Praying:

[srislash]

So what is the motor KV and cell count?

[Savage Skidoo]

Sorry bud , its a 4092 - 1480kv on 2x3s 5000's gens ace with a t-180 and a pranther 235 :)

[Savage Skidoo]

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[Savage Skidoo]

Is bigger better , had this lying on the shelf . Speed master or Knock off