30"+ Hydros, options?

[kevinpratt823]

I have had fun with the UL-1, and I'm looking to continue in that direction with another boat. What are some good opions for building/buying an FE Hydro, say 30"plus, that will get up over 60mph at least? I will have 4 new 6s/5000mah/65c lipos to work with, planning to use those.

[JimClark]

Get one of mike L's 1/8th scale kits if you want to build with wood

[kevinpratt823]

Get one of mike L's 1/18th scale kits if you want to build with wood
Do you mean 1/8? 1/18 is small.........
Where do I find his kits?
Edit: found them. I may not have the experience or patience for a kit like that yet. The most I want to get into at this point as far as "building" is starting with a bare hull.

[Fluid]

If you intend to run 6s, you will probably want a boat over 34" long. You will have ample power and the larger hulls handle th epower and rough water much better than the smaller hulls. The 6S boats in my club vary from 36 - 39" long and run high-60s/low 70s in race water. The ML wood hull best suited for 6S is the 39" long GP400.


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[kevinpratt823]

If you intend to run 6s, you will probably want a boat over 34" long. You will have ample power and the larger hulls handle th epower and rough water much better than the smaller hulls. The 6S boats in my club vary from 36 - 39" long and run high-60s/low 70s in race water. The ML wood hull best suited for 6S is the 39" long GP400.


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I would love to go bigger, 36"-39" is probably what I'm looking for from the sound of it, I want it to handle some weather. (I have plenty of 3s and 4s lipos as well to work with as well though if I went smaller) Are there any good options for a pre-built hull, I really should try my hand at building from a hull before I get into a full kit like this, still getting my feet wet with glasswork and all.

[JimClark]

Yup 1/8th sorry fat fingers

[marko500]

Phil Thomas Hydros
http://www.metimeliverc.com/HobbyShop/PhilThomasHydros/tabid/236/Default.aspx

[kevinpratt823]

Phil Thomas Hydros
http://www.metimeliverc.com/HobbyShop/PhilThomasHydros/tabid/236/Default.aspx
Thanx, that's kinda what I'm after. What size motors are guys running in these, the 30" versions and the 36"+ versions? I have a Leo 4082/2000kv and a 4074/1800kv ready to go, and a seaking 180, but I'm not opposed to buying something more apprpopriate if it be the case.

[dana]

For a 36" hull I think those are both too small. I would sell them and get a Neu 1521

[dana]

Of course I'm probably totally wrong lol

[detox]

For 6s power with the Seaking 180 esc I would use Neu 1527 1y (1250kv). My Whiplash 40 Q sport hydro is very fast with that motor and Octura x455 (average amps pulled 140 with a spike of 193). I think the Neu 1527 1.5d (1500kv) would be faster, but may be too much for your seaking 180...not sure?

[marko500]

Don't know on the bigger hulls but on the Stealth(30") I run 4074 2200KV on 4s. I've also seen guys using the Neu 1515 1y.

[properchopper]

Kevin,

A few bits to think about. To begin with : on 6S the 4082 2000KV is spinning 44,400 rpm, and the 4074 1800KV is spinning 39,960. Way too much unless you want to make 3 second runs and bring it in. Also, 6S packs are going to be a tight if not impossible fit in 30" hulls.

The PT, as has been recommended is a great boat, but if you check out their builds and runs, they are build-intensive and require carefull and somewhat constant fiddling with adjustments ( I just spent three days with a racer setting records with his, and his feeler guages and lead ballasts were in constant use.)

OTOH (and yes, I have a vested interest) the FE30 is ridiculously easy to rig, needs little or no fiddling, runs FAST and is built like a brick sh*thouse.

68.6 mph on 4S1P with a Neu15151Y (think Leo 4074), T-180 and M445. I race mine with 4S2P 4000's and a M545 and it rocks your socks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V60YYYo1aDY

Here's the new Turbine cowl it comes with


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[dana]

Building a boat around lipos and motors is kinda backwards. Firstly, decide what size boat, what your intentions are with it, and the speeds you want to achieve, then decide what motor and batteries you need for your desired goal.

[Fluid]

The Phil Thomas SS45 is probably the easiest 'glass hull to get on the water, and they run awesome. They do not need feeler gauges and six months to set up. :olleyes: There are four in my club, all with 1527/1Y motors. The 1527/1.5D has proven too much for a sport hydro, it is better suited to a rigger. I run an Aeromarine Shadow, but it required some mods to run well. The AC Pro40 is a great hull too, but is seldom converted to FE - the hatch requires some work to seal up. The Whiplash 40 is also a great hull if you want to build from wood. There are several hull options and considering how "popular" this size hull is, we are lucky to have what we do.


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[properchopper]

The Phil Thomas SS45 is probably the easiest 'glass hull to get on the water, and they run awesome. They do not need feeler gauges and six months to set up. :olleyes: There are four in my club, all with 1527/1Y motors. The 1527/1.5D has proven too much for a sport hydro, it is better suited to a rigger. I run an Aeromarine Shadow, but it required some mods to run well. The AC Pro40 is a great hull too, but is seldom converted to FE - the hatch requires some work to seal up. The Whiplash 40 is also a great hull if you want to build from wood. There are several hull options and considering how "popular" this size hull is, we are lucky to have what we do.




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Jay, Brian and Jim spent lots of time with the setup looking for that extra "oomph". It was the PT Stealth I was talking about.

[Fluid]

Tony, the OP is talking about a 60 mph boat, not a SAW racer. There are three Stealths in my club, none need feeler gauges to run competitively. Didn't want the OP to think the PTs needed tweaking by one of the fastest racers in the world in order to run decently. OTOH, for SAW hydros, feeler gauges are de rigeur.

BTW, there is no NAMBA class called P-Spec Hydro. :wink:



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[kevinpratt823]

Wow, thanks for all the input guys, keep it coming! FYI, I have no intention of running the 1800kv or 2000kv on anything more than 4s, or building a boat around these, I was just posting what I have on hand. Also, not building around a 6s setup, as I believe I mentioned I have several 3s, 4s, and 6s batts, so unless I HAVE to run 5s, I pretty much have all the options I will need. If I run 6s I KNOW I need a motor, 1600kv max.
In a word(Dana), I have decided on a general boat size(pending what's out there based on input in this thread), speed+60, and intent is basically sport/race oval.
I got into boats in late Aug., now I have 5 of them with several upgrades, not afraid to spend to get what is appropriate. I will get a motor, and maybe another Hydra ICE 240 if necessary. Also have my eye on a 45" mono hull in the OSE shop that's collecting dust at the moment:)

[srislash]

If you were looking the way of the FE 30 there is a good deal on my local forum http://forums.rcpitstop.com/index.php?topic=27096.0
Go to the bottom and he is down to $350.I do not need another boat right now.

[kevinpratt823]

If you were looking the way of the FE 30 there is a good deal on my local forum http://forums.rcpitstop.com/index.php?topic=27096.0
Go to the bottom and he is down to $350.I do not need another boat right now.
Dam.......what's shipping like to Boston? I'm not on that forum, I may sign up to see it, but if you talk to him have him send me some pics and a shipping quote to
kevinpratt823@yahoo.com
thanks for the heads up.

Otherwise, as Fluid said, I'm liking the PT SS45........http://www.metimeliverc.com/HobbyShop/PhilThomasHydros/tabid/236/agentType/View/PropertyID/16/Default.aspx
any more input on this boat?

[srislash]

Dam.......what's shipping like to Boston? I'm not on that forum, I may sign up to see it, but if you talk to him have him send me some pics and a shipping quote to
kevinpratt823@yahoo.com
thanks for the heads up.

Otherwise, as Fluid said, I'm liking the PT SS45........http://www.metimeliverc.com/HobbyShop/PhilThomasHydros/tabid/236/agentType/View/PropertyID/16/Default.aspx
any more input on this boat?I shot him off you're e-mail.

[Fluid]

Here are some existing threads that a simple search pulled up:

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?10280-Trying-out-some-wings-on-my-SS45&highlight=ss45
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?4355-My-Phil-Thomas-SuperSport-45&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?6449-Phil-Thomas-ss-45&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?17129-Phil-Thomas-supersport-45&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?28510-Phil-Thomas-Super-Sport-45-First-Run&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?29981-Phil-Thomas-Super-Sport-45&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?28153-My-Phil-Thomas-super-sport-45&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?32900-Phil-Thomas-Supersport-45&highlight=thomas




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[kevinpratt823]

Here are some existing threads that a simple search pulled up:

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?10280-Trying-out-some-wings-on-my-SS45&highlight=ss45
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?4355-My-Phil-Thomas-SuperSport-45&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?6449-Phil-Thomas-ss-45&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?17129-Phil-Thomas-supersport-45&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?28510-Phil-Thomas-Super-Sport-45-First-Run&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?29981-Phil-Thomas-Super-Sport-45&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?28153-My-Phil-Thomas-super-sport-45&highlight=thomas
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?32900-Phil-Thomas-Supersport-45&highlight=thomas




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Thanks. I do(and will) utilize the search feature(you beat me to it), but the continuing dialogue is also helpful to me. Looks like this may be the boat I'm looking for, wondering what kind of chop it can handle..........(yes, I will read the threads, but input here is welcome also)

And thank you kindly, Sirislash!

[Fluid]

We run the Q Sport Hydros in some pretty rough water - up to 3"+ chop and 15+ mph winds. They are far beter than the 30"-33" P Sport boats which can't run full throttle in the above conditions and finish a heat. We do prop down in rougher water but I am always surprised at how well they do run in rough water. Of course you can blow any boat off the water, but the advantage over the smaller boats is impressive.


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[kevinpratt823]

We run the Q Sport Hydros in some pretty rough water - up to 3"+ chop and 15+ mph winds. They are far beter than the 30"-33" P Sport boats which can't run full throttle in the above conditions and finish a heat. We do prop down in rougher water but I am always surprised at how well they do run in rough water. Of course you can blow any boat off the water, but the advantage over the smaller boats is impressive.


.Thanks, still not up to speed with the class names and specs/sizes yet(Q sport, P sport etc.) Lots of lingo to learn. Not sure if there's much racing going on up my way(Boston area), but I am a racer at heart. Even still, some of the most fun I have had with motocross, and now RC, is on the practice track trying to better myself, so far boats have given me this as well, even if there's no real race gong on.

[Fluid]

Q Sport Hydro - 6S hydroplane which "looks like" a full scale hydroplane. 40" maximum length of hull. Most run 36"-39".
P Sport Hydro - as above but 4S voltage. 34" maximum length of hull. Most are under 32".




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[phil t]

Thanks. I do(and will) utilize the search feature(you beat me to it), but the continuing dialogue is also helpful to me. Looks like this may be the boat I'm looking for, wondering what kind of chop it can handle..........(yes, I will read the threads, but input here is welcome also)

And thank you kindly, Sirislash!

Let me know if you want to get a SSP45 36 inch hydro. Lots of FE SSP45 are racing, the boats are setup for racing not just glass water so yea they handle some choppy waters. We been racing the nitro version for years and they finish 6 laps in some real crappy waters.
PHIL T

[kevinpratt823]

Let me know if you want to get a SSP45 36 inch hydro. Lots of FE SSP45 are racing, the boats are setup for racing not just glass water so yea they handle some choppy waters. We been racing the nitro version for years and they finish 6 laps in some real crappy waters.
PHIL T
I have a pretty good feeling you will be hearing from me in the (very)near future, thanks Phil.

[PvtSpoon]

I got a big hydro taking up space in my shed think it was about 1300mm long & 600mm ish wide built from old plans 60's -70 circus clown im told

if any know any more let me know

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