56-102 Monster coming down the pipeline

[Punisher 67]

Check this out guys

http://www.skyrc.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=39_82&product_id=139

[srislash]

All right now we're talking.Custom made hull and two of these and I can ride in it.

[Make-a-Wake]

Actually specs say 56 x 112!! Same size as a Castle 2028.

[millzee]

wow, 1kg per motor, heavy suckers.

[Brushless55]

any idea of pricing for these?

[Punisher 67]

I seen in another thread in Rcgroups the finned versions are going for about $170.00 , I could not find a dealer for the marine version but it probably won't be long before it shows up somewhere .

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1669720

[BrianW]

I have some coming

[Punisher 67]

and who is selling these

[Doby]

Hmmmmm......

[Punisher 67]

www.Hmmmmm.....com .............nope John none there.....:tt2:

[Doby]

Funny........just considering future projects.

[Punisher 67]

Just ribbing ya John - From one canuck to another . I really like to way some of these companies are going - there was a day these things were way out of reach for a lot of boaters , not so anymore . I have been curious how long it would take before a Lehner knockoff would appear on the boating scene .

[Brushless55]

Eta?

[Punisher 67]

I have some coming

Brian have you recieved any motors yet

[ray schrauwen]

I started a thread on this a month ago...

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?34111-New-motors-from-China-Uh-Oh-Lehener-watch-out!-Sneak-peek!&highlight=

[ray schrauwen]

Kershaw said he would get one for me in August if I paid up front but, he has made mistakes on orders like these with me before so, I passed on it.

For $169 it might not have been a bad gamble.

http://www.kershawdesigns.com/

[Punisher 67]

So has anyone recieved some of these magical mysterious motors yet

[ray schrauwen]

A buddy of mine got a motor from Kershaw but, not shure what he received? It was some "tester" he got at a lower price. Maybe 910kv, not sure.

Even if he has it doesn't mean he will run it this year.

[Steven Vaccaro]

A buddy of mine got a motor from Kershaw but, not shure what he received? It was some "tester" he got at a lower price. Maybe 910kv, not sure.

Even if he has it doesn't mean he will run it this year.

Are you sure it was the Lehner style or was it the Neu looking can?

One problem with this Sky company is their support is....... I guess I'll leave it at that. :-)

[znus]

Im really curious abouth that big s.o.b. Strange that they (Sky) put it up on their website ~3-4 months ago and still it's nowhere to be found.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Im really curious abouth that big s.o.b. Strange that they (Sky) put it up on their website ~3-4 months ago and still it's nowhere to be found. Its normal in the Hobby biz for pictures to come out far before the item.

[ray schrauwen]

After taking apart a Lehner motor I got from Chris K. (He broke it and Lehner could not fix) and inspecting, I can see why they charge what they do for those motors and I can see why Chris and others invest in them.

I highly doubt you will ever see a real Lehner copy as I jokingly put it in another thread because it would cost the same as a Lehner.

Absoloutely the most amazing construction for a 2 pole motor. The rotors are Neo donut magnets magnetized with the ring splitinto N & S poles. Really cool and the rotor will never explode like some others. Obviously it did fail but, I'm sure it had very aggressive running on it. More than any Chinese motor can take, so far...

[Steven Vaccaro]

What failed? Lets see some pictures....

[ray schrauwen]

I'll post some tonight hopefully.

It's easier to show and tell than to just tell.

[srislash]

I can't wait to check them pics out.

[Punisher 67]

Kind of curious myself - German engineering always amazes me

[Steven Vaccaro]

And also ask Mike pags about how well they are made and how they stand behind their product.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

[ray schrauwen]

Pics aren't very good, camera sucks, I suck, lol...

I'll try later too with a better camera from the GF.

What it looks like is that the inner windings got heated up and then the rotor may have rubbed a bit until it would not run right anymore.

I can feel inside the windings, sharp edges and some cooked but, not burned enamel from the field windings.

The rotor seems fine to the naked eye but, only Lehner knows. some of the magnets could have partially turned on the shaft there by messing up the alignment of the poles.

Seems to have a definite north & south.

I will check the rotor weight some time when I find that scale. Very heavy in comparison to a 4 pole motor like Neu, Leo, TP.

Very dense power.

What the pictures can't show at this time is the iron surrounding the field inside the can. Can't tell if the windings are woven through or if it is just an Iron ring to increase field strength.

Bearings, no question are top shelf. I might order some from Lehner and give them a try.

Hell of a paper weight and kind of dangerous taken apart. The rotor is super scary strong.

Now, if Leo or TP could make a 4 or 6 pole rotor with that density... Oh, thats called a Neu motor, lol...:tongue:

[ManuelW]

The LMT's do have a ring of magnetic back iron, for the smaller motors they are stamped out of I think 0.3mm dynamo sheets, for the bigger 30's series they were laser cut. But it is only the magnetic back iron, they have an ironless core, its pure copper. The german word is "Luftspulenwicklung" but I couldn't find a suitable translation so far.

regards,
Manuel

BTW: Looks definitely like a 2280. How many turns did it have?

[keithbradley]

I will be testing these shortly. The motors I have are actually 56x102 and 56x112. The 56x112 is almost the exact same physical size as the castle 2028, but without fins. Upon taking them both apart, it's tough to tell the difference.

[Brushless55]

Awesome, keep us posted and with pictures :tiphat:

[ray schrauwen]

What kv's did you get to test?

[ray schrauwen]

Go to HK web site, I'll pm you. Better hurry!

[lenny]

:tiphat:
Ray check your pm's

Hear a link,http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F24853%5F%5FTurnigy%5FAquaStar%5FT20%5F3T%5F7 30KV%5F1280KV%5FWater%5FCooled%5FBrushless%5FMotor .html

[Brushless55]

Go to HK web site, I'll pm you. Better hurry!


:tiphat:
Ray check your pm's

Hear a link,http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F24853%5F%5FTurnigy%5FAquaStar%5FT20%5F3T%5F7 30KV%5F1280KV%5FWater%5FCooled%5FBrushless%5FMotor .html

OH baby!!
this would rock my DF39 on the 1280kv setting running 6s :rockon2:

[Punisher 67]

Can you post some pictures Keith and who on this side of the pond sells them - I am very interested in the 56/112

[znus]

I ordered one from HK....then another one. :wub: I have a feeling these will sell out and then never return, just as the TP Power looking ones from last year.

I wonder what I'm gonna do with them? :mellow:

[keithbradley]

Can you post some pictures Keith and who on this side of the pond sells them - I am very interested in the 56/112
I do.
I'm not sure if the HK motors use the same internals or not...they definitley look similar on the outside (save the different colrs/etc.). They are selling them for significantly less than my "dealer price" on the Proteus motors though.

[Brushless55]

I do.
I'm not sure if the HK motors use the same internals or not...they definitley look similar on the outside (save the different colrs/etc.). They are selling them for significantly less than my "dealer price" on the Proteus motors though.

why do some think this is a 2 pole motor?
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?37087-WOoOAAHAHA-BABY!!!!-new-HK-Motor

[madmikepags]

just ordered 4 of them for *!***!***!***!**s and giggles i'll try em in a couple of twin setups!!!! 92 bucks each WTF I spent more than that on flex cables in the past 2 months!!!!

[photohoward1]

I'm with Mike! Just ordered one. Only cost me $68 bucks.. Discounted!

[photohoward1]

Mike. Whats a good cat for that Motor not an aeromarine.

[Brushless55]

I've got one on the way!

[Basstronics]

$68 how?

Im a platinum member and its the $92.62 in my cart. For $68 I would roll the dice. Not at $93+ shipping though.

[ray schrauwen]

We would all like to know how Howard pulled that one off. Did you have some credits built up?? I never knew you were a HK whore like me or by the sounds, maybe worse?? LOL, I KEED!! :sarcasm1:
$68 how?

Im a platinum member and its the $92.62 in my cart. For $68 I would roll the dice. Not at $93+ shipping though.

[Punisher 67]

Come on Howard fess up - you weren't wearing a bib now.........:laugh:

[znus]

Although I have two of those Turnigy motors coming my way (they were sent today!) I still can't get over the fact that there's a bigger one out there. Keith Bradley - I might have to check your website out. The X524 will bring me my peace of mind. I'm sure of it.

[Punisher 67]

Dam it - Sorry Howard for the comment above - I left my laptop running in our cafeteria and some of the clowns at work decided to reply to some of my posts via snoping through my emails...........:cursing:

[Doby]

Peter.....

Love the: "Ignore list member #67 " on your avatar.

[photohoward1]

Sure. No offense taken!

[Punisher 67]

Peter.....

Love the: "Ignore list member #67 " on your avatar.

Thanks John

That was changed about 5 minutes after I made the list , one of the many things I am proud of.......:laugh:

[Mike Caruso]

Pics aren't very good, camera sucks, I suck, lol...

I'll try later too with a better camera from the GF.

What it looks like is that the inner windings got heated up and then the rotor may have rubbed a bit until it would not run right anymore.

I can feel inside the windings, sharp edges and some cooked but, not burned enamel from the field windings.

The rotor seems fine to the naked eye but, only Lehner knows. some of the magnets could have partially turned on the shaft there by messing up the alignment of the poles.

Seems to have a definite north & south.

I will check the rotor weight some time when I find that scale. Very heavy in comparison to a 4 pole motor like Neu, Leo, TP.

Very dense power.

What the pictures can't show at this time is the iron surrounding the field inside the can. Can't tell if the windings are woven through or if it is just an Iron ring to increase field strength.

Bearings, no question are top shelf. I might order some from Lehner and give them a try.

Hell of a paper weight and kind of dangerous taken apart. The rotor is super scary strong.

Now, if Leo or TP could make a 4 or 6 pole rotor with that density... Oh, thats called a Neu motor, lol...:tongue:

NEU nice motors I hope to buy one soon when I figure out which one I need to run over 100 mph SAW you know 100.1 MPH LOL. Still need to decide on a boat but winter in Chicago will be here soon. Hey Ray, thank you for this information as I am learning all I can about electric motors. I learn from people like you a lot easier than read all the motor web sites as I just still don't understand. I listen to a young friend who really knows this stuff and spins me around because he will explain one motor/battery comb, then he says BUT you could do xxxxxxx xxx and run the same with less batteries. DOH! LOL I love him like a son.
I saw a 10s NEU 2212 or 2215 run in a JAE really large modified hull WOW David H. he did run 103 mph SAW at Huntsville last month. As Grim says Rock and Roll!
Mike

[Brushless55]

Got mine
and no that's not a 1515 next to it, that's one of my CC1717 motors :w00t:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/filmmaker2009/20120912_114318.jpg

and next to my PMono 4092 motor :biggrin:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/filmmaker2009/20120912_121821.jpg

[ray schrauwen]

I can't figure out why there is a rubber ring on the front?

Did your cooler seem not very tight??

Maybe the ring protects the motor if the cooler leaks? lol...

[ray schrauwen]

It also spins very easy compared to a TP Power motor. Pretty smooth.

Doesn't seem like you can remove the front plate without the magnet core. Bearing jammed on shaft. I want to see inside.

[Brushless55]

I can't figure out why there is a rubber ring on the front?

Did your cooler seem not very tight??

Maybe the ring protects the motor if the cooler leaks? lol...

my first thought is it keeps the cooler from moving to far forward.
it does move really easy back and fourth..

[znus]

You guys got yours? Damn! I thougt I'd have mine by now? Oh well, I sold them (unseen) anyway and bought a X524 from Keith.

[ray schrauwen]

Me thinks you are better off.

BTW, I had no idea Keith was selling these until afterwards.

BTW, thats me you're chattin' with on HK.... z.......
You guys got yours? Damn! I thougt I'd have mine by now? Oh well, I sold them (unseen) anyway and bought a X524 from Keith.

[znus]

Me thinks you are better off.

BTW, I had no idea Keith was selling these until afterwards.

BTW, thats me you're chattin' with on HK.... z.......

I know Ray. I recognize the flying red cat :biggrin:

[RIPFENCE]

heres another sirius motor but it does not have the adjustable kv...looks awesome as well..mhz has some stuff specifically made for them sometimes so maybe its only a one off..am thinking about getting one..beastly!!!

http://shop.mhz-powerboats.com/category-13/Sirius-Engines/Engine-Sirius-5698-2-5Y---1-150KV.html

[Brushless55]

wow, that's almost $250

[RIPFENCE]

oh yeah its in euros:doh:

might still get one though

[Brushless55]

$92 :tt2:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/filmmaker2009/20120912_114521.jpg

[RIPFENCE]

awesome...who would of thought castle monster motors would appear to be wimpy in size comparatively?

[Brushless55]

awesome...who would of thought castle monster motors would appear to be wimpy in size comparatively?

:laugh:
any one need a CC1717

[znus]

Got the Sky RC Proteus X524 from Keith today. It's huge! Huge!!

Here compared to a Leopard 5692. Of course the Proteus is closer to the camera but still...

84542

[ray schrauwen]

I use the same motor mount in my 40" mono. It is limited in cooler size unless modified.

The coolers on the 512 & 524 are too long for that mount.

[Brushless55]

Got the Sky RC Proteus X524 from Keith today. It's huge! Huge!!

Here compared to a Leopard 5692. Of course the Proteus is closer to the camera but still...

84542

Yeah your right... To close to the camera.
Makes the motor look WAY bigger than it actually is.

[gerardobrandao]

Mello

Im waiting for mine too....would like you to give me some impressiona of it... i guess imnot the OnLy OnE expecting that...since most of us are looking forward to it...when do you expect to Test it??!??!


Best regards

Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using Xparent SkyBlue Tapatalk 2

[znus]

I use the same motor mount in my 40" mono. It is limited in cooler size unless modified.

The coolers on the 512 & 524 are too long for that mount.

Thats good to know. I use the http://southriverrcboats.com/ rail mounts in my monos. They are two piece, front and rear, and lets you build the way you want. I think the jacket will come off and be replaced by something that doesn't leak anyways. An o-ring change to something fatter will probably fix it.

@gerardobrando. If that question was for me - I wont test it until next spring. Too much on my table right now (boats, that is...). It will go into a 42" mono. I'll run it on 12s on a SeaKing 130A HV from Steve and try som gasser props. I think it'll spin a ~67 mm without a hickup

[keithbradley]

Znus,
Yours leaks? I tested a few of these to a decent pressure and they were fine...if yours is leaking I guess I will have to go through all of them. If there is a problem I will get it resolved.

[keithbradley]

heres another sirius motor but it does not have the adjustable kv...looks awesome as well..mhz has some stuff specifically made for them sometimes so maybe its only a one off..am thinking about getting one..beastly!!!

http://shop.mhz-powerboats.com/category-13/Sirius-Engines/Engine-Sirius-5698-2-5Y---1-150KV.html

I'm not sure how you meant that, but the motors in this thread are not made by Sirius...
Sirius makes the purple motors I sell...the Proteus motors aren't from them.

[Punisher 67]

I wont test it until next spring. Too much on my table right now (boats, that is...). It will go into a 42" mono. I'll run it on 12s on a SeaKing 130A HV from Steve and try som gasser props. I think it'll spin a ~67 mm without a hickup

You are a brave man using a 130 amp esc on a 67mm prop and on 12s......................:flashfire:

[Doby]

Agreed Peter:

Kinda reminds me of an old song from the 50's (I think)...

Kaboom kaboom...shannna shannna, kaboom kaboom....shannna shannna Kaboom!

[Steven Vaccaro]

Got the Sky RC Proteus X524 from Keith today. It's huge! Huge!!

Here compared to a Leopard 5692. Of course the Proteus is closer to the camera but still...

84542 How about a side by side picture. Arnt they almost identical in diameter?

[znus]

How about a side by side picture. Arnt they almost identical in diameter?

When the boss asks.. :smile:

84581

Yes, they are almost identical in diameter. The Proteus X524 is 56 (55,8) x 112.

@Keith. Yep, the seals (o-rings) doesn't fit very tight. Just speaking for myself - It doesn't matter and I'll fix it myself.

@Punisher & Doby. You're both experienced enought to know that when the kv goes down, volts go up (aiming for 25-30k rpm) the amps come down. If I draw 100A on 12s I still get some 4400 watts and get some headroom to 130A (180A burst). The reason why I'm so sure of this is because a friend runs a 40" cat with a 560kv 4962 Outrunner on 12S with a 80A HV esc with a 57 mm prop. His esc is 86 degrees Farenheit after the LVC hits, which means he can't be drawing more than 40-50 amps......and his cat is plowing through the waves. CG is way off. Maybe a 67 mm prop is a bit over the top but let us join up in this thread next may - june and see how it went :smile:

[Punisher 67]

Well I am not going to claim to be an expert but here is my experience with 12c - I have a 57" Apache that uses a Lehner 3080/7 , 65mm prop and run in the 12T configuration the KV is about 490-RPM/V . Running a Eagletree for a few runs it shows the motor drawing 80amps continuous and 100amps peak....But......a Lehner 3080 is a much larger and a more efficient motor than a 5692 and will not labor quite as hard ( draw less amps ) as a 5692 with the same or similar KV turning the same prop . So you might be able to get away with a 130amp esc but it doesn't leave you a lot of room for error .

[ray schrauwen]

The stack & magnets are only 55mm long for the smaller 1280kv version. For same length of Lehner motor there would be a longer Field and magnets.

Nice motors. Are the 56mm Leopards 4 pole or 6 Pole like TP Power?

[znus]

Ray, the Leo is 4-pole.

[scottw]

Has anybody ran one of these yet?
Time will tell - at around $90USD - I am wondering???
Around 1/2 the cost of the TP Power - and a max of 5280watts??

I think I will wait and see

Scott..

[Azmarine]

Ok, so I found this thread by googling the 524-3t after finding it on Keith Bradley's site as well as rc echo.com. My question to all of you experienced builders out there is "with a 54inch drambuie, would I need 1 or two of these? And on what battery setup?" I'm not looking for record speeds, or even a competitive race boat, I just want something to do with my brother, that's fast and worth it. And I've been told by many I should have gone with a deep v but it was on Craig's list for a steal. Sorry if I'm off topic here but there's not much out there about these motors. And yes to all I'm a newbie to marine rc.

[ray schrauwen]

I could run it this weekend possibly but, I'm most likely going to run my SSS 5694-1200KV first.

You can get SSS version of TP Power (better imo) from hor for $105 with cooler.


Has anybody ran one of these yet?
Time will tell - at around $90USD - I am wondering???
Around 1/2 the cost of the TP Power - and a max of 5280watts??

I think I will wait and see

Scott..

[Punisher 67]

The next big bad boy from trackstar

53.5mm x 114mm

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25409__Turnigy_TrackStar_1_5th_Sensorless_Brushl ess_Motor_760KV.html

[gerardobrandao]

Hello Guys



Mine X524 motor have arrived yesterday..First thing i did whas to open for seeing it inside...

Here follows some pics.. :

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20120925_162033.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20120925_161956.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20120925_161945.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20120925_161925.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20120925_161914.jpg

Waiting for inputs!


The finish seems better on the sky rc motor compared to TP5850, bearings are from NSK, the shaft is correctly grounded...
The water coolet seems to loose.
Altough, from appearance TP 5850 seems to handle a lot better bigger amps, due to higher content of cooper compared to Sky rc!

Best Regards

[ray schrauwen]

I like show & tell.

Looks identicle to the inside of my HK Version.

Thanks for sharing!

The one thing not so hot is how the rear connectors are pressed into the endbell.

I tried an 8mm connector I had kicking around (cheapo ones) and they were so tight I almost pulled the whole connector out with the female and white nylon/ptfe sleeve! They are soldered well inside so, hopefully its not buggered.

The 8mm it comes with are not as tight and may not do that as bad...

[egneg]

The next big bad boy from trackstar

53.5mm x 114mm

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__25409__Turnigy_TrackStar_1_5th_Sensorless_Brushl ess_Motor_760KV.html

But at 30 volts max it is of limited use.

[Punisher 67]

But at 30 volts max it is of limited use.

I 'll bet it would take more - the 2028 was also under rated and run at 10cell with no issues . If the rotor is wrapped I'd feel safe at 40volts

[Brushless55]

I bet that Trackstar motor will take 10s no problem..
Dang Hobbyking! Causing me to spend more money now to do a brushless conversion for my Baja 5b
That motor on 6s would be plenty, 8s and holly crud!

[twissted]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfMTStJsvs8
This is a video that HK did on this motor!

[twissted]

Details
Code IM679
Packet Weight 1474.00 grams

Price: $111.90
Quantity Price
*Note:


Introduction
Proteus Series Motors are designed for large scale rc boat (1.5-2m length).

The revolutionary design of Proteus motors is its unique wire configuration. There are six connectors on the motor and the user can switch the wire configuration (wire or triangle) by themselves at any time. When the user requests the motor with more RPM and high speed, he could use triangle configuration; when the user request the motor with more torque and power, he could use star configuration,. In this case, one piece of motor can meet the user’s request for speed or power in different situation.

What’s more, there is water cooling shell outside of the motor. It is designed to cool down the motor temperature so that the motor could perform best.

These motors can be switched between STAR and TRIANGLE with configuration.
There are 6 connectors on the motor.
Triangle Configuration=More RPM
Star Configuration=More Torque

Specifications
X524 2Y System
Watts: 6300W
Max Voltage: 33V
Max Amps: 190A

Resistance: 0.0069

KV (RPM/volt): 910

Max RPM: 30000
Length: 112mm

Diameter (w/fins): 55.8mm

Weight: 1035g

Shaft Diameter: 8mm

Length of extend shaft: 30mm

X524 2D System

Watts: 6300W
Max Voltage: 19V
Max Amps: 331A

Resistance: 0.0029

KV (RPM/volt): 1580

Max RPM: 30000
Length: 112mm

Diameter (w/fins): 55.8mm

Weight: 1035g

Shaft Diameter: 8mm

Length of extend shaft: 30mm

Features
High Quality Bearings
Rotor - 4 Pole Neodymium Magnets
Stator - Super Thin(0.2mm) Laminations
Super Strength 8mm Shaft
With Water Cooling Shell
6 Connectors
2 Wire Configuration-Triangle & Star
85800

[gerardobrandao]

Hello Guys


Has soon has i ha oportunity i opened the back and took some pictures....
Has i told you, and i guess i wasn´t mistaken, TP 5850 motor is far superior to the X524 motor.....
As you can see from the pics, there is almost 0.6 inch from the back that doesn´t have "stator" area, wich leads to a "efective rotor" about the same lenght and diameter has the leopard 5692...
Only after trying it, i could lead to "real" performance opinion, but from speculation, i think it´s a deceptive motor...It´s like having a 527 cubic inch block, with 350 capacity....
Efective magnet length is 64mm about 2.52 inch!

Can anyone give input for stator efective length of leopard 5692 motor?

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20121005_232014_zps95670cec.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20121005_232006_zpsf3d680c3.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20121005_231957_zps9c481598.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20121005_231909_zps3ae36de8.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20121005_231824_zps145cc28c.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk53/gerardobrandao/20121005_231837_zps29082a1e.jpg

Best Regards

[Punisher 67]

Effective magnet lenght to a HK 5692 is 50.00mm long by 28.20mm in dia , interesting thing HK had some of the 5692 sized T20 motors Keith Bradley is selling and I happen to nab one - good thing they only had them for about two weeks and they are off the menu completely . Rotor size is 50.00mm long x 27.70mm in dia - both motors have virtually the same size rotor the difference could be just the wrap

The HK 5692 HAS 18 stacks and 6 magnetic segments
The T20 had 12 stacks and 4 magnet segments

The KV of both motors are in there 700's

[Brushless55]

Wow, looks like when I opened up a TP motor and a Leopard I have..
my pictures looked the same as these side by side

[gerardobrandao]

Effective magnet lenght to a HK 5692 is 50.00mm long by 28.20mm in dia , interesting thing HK had some of the 5692 sized T20 motors Keith Bradley is selling and I happen to nab one - good thing they only had them for about two weeks and they are off the menu completely . Rotor size is 50.00mm long x 27.70mm in dia - both motors have virtually the same size rotor the difference could be just the wrap

The HK 5692 HAS 18 stacks and 6 magnetic segments
The T20 had 12 stacks and 4 magnet segments

The KV of both motors are in there 700's



Thanks for your input:

So the HK5692 is a 6 pole motor, against the 4 pole motor of the Leopard....didn´t know that, thats why one have 18 stacks and the other one 12...18/6=3=12/4

So...i see i was wrong...the X524 has a almost 30% higher rotor lenght....it may not tranform in more power, but it is a good start..

Other question, if anyone can help, since i think this is a good review for everyone....:

Can someone tell me (us) the length and diameter of the castle 2028 rotor length, for direct comparison against X524 motor!?

Best Regards to all

[ray schrauwen]

Effective magnet lenght to a HK 5692 is 50.00mm long by 28.20mm in dia , interesting thing HK had some of the 5692 sized T20 motors Keith Bradley is selling and I happen to nab one - good thing they only had them for about two weeks and they are off the menu completely . Rotor size is 50.00mm long x 27.70mm in dia - both motors have virtually the same size rotor the difference could be just the wrap

The HK 5692 HAS 18 stacks and 6 magnetic segments
The T20 had 12 stacks and 4 magnet segments

The KV of both motors are in there 700's

You will notice a difference even further, sorry I didn't take pic's but, the HOR SSS 1200kv version has a set screw on each end of the rotor and the inner stack & rotor of HOR 1200kv is 1/2" longer than the rotor of the Hobby King TP power 1320kv version. Many versions.

I've had many 5692's and kept the 1200Kv HOR motor as it runs very nice in my 40" mono.

[ray schrauwen]

The Proteus motor most likely the closest to a Castle 2028 would be the Proteus car motor. The X528 is much longer than the boat motors** and is rated at 780Kv, 7350 watts, Max 38Vdc, 193Amps Max, 1260 grams without a cooling jacket.

** Meaning the stack and rotor because the wires come out the side of the 112mm can enabling a longer stack & rotor, I'm assuming without having one here but, I pretty close me thinks...:confused2:

BTW, HOR rates his motors at max 10,000 watts :scared: :icon_bs: ???? ooops, says 12,000 watts for 5694 motor.

[ray schrauwen]

I just checked and Steve, OSE.. has New 112mm Leopards for sale. Now these are going to be very nice motors 4 sure.

[Azmarine]

I think price wise for motors this close in size and quality, proteus takes it with a sticker of $111.90 each for the 524-2t 910kv/1580kv. Especially if your going with twins shipping is the only hit, about $53 to Tucson. I think I'm going proteus twins in my drambuie. Keep in mind I am a newbie, but not dummy. I'd like to get a bit more feedback before I commit to this buy

[twissted]

There is a couple of places to get these motors from, another has better shipping. But the price is a little more. OSE sells them now so you will have to do your home work to find what I'm talking about.

[Cooper]

There is a couple of places to get these motors from, another has better shipping. But the price is a little more. OSE sells them now so you will have to do your home work to find what I'm talking about.
Why don't you just tell where els these are and be helpful?

[Azmarine]

Well the cheapest I've found is rcecho.com and they are 111.90 each I went thru the checkout process and for two shipped to my door it was $276.70. So far everywhere else wants about 160 or more per. That's just my little input.

[Punisher 67]

BTW, HOR rates his motors at max 10,000 watts :scared: :icon_bs: ???? ooops, says 12,000 watts for 5694 motor.

12000 watts for a 5692 !!! - In a a pigs a$$....:moon: , he's dreaming

[ray schrauwen]

Maybe so but, they are far different than TP power of the same numbers... I think TP Power has splintered up. Johnny said he hired some guys from TP to make motors to his spec, not TP specs.


12000 watts for a 5692 !!! - In a a pigs a$$....:moon: , he's dreaming

[keithbradley]

Effective magnet lenght to a HK 5692 is 50.00mm long by 28.20mm in dia , interesting thing HK had some of the 5692 sized T20 motors Keith Bradley is selling and I happen to nab one - good thing they only had them for about two weeks and they are off the menu completely . Rotor size is 50.00mm long x 27.70mm in dia - both motors have virtually the same size rotor the difference could be just the wrap

The HK 5692 HAS 18 stacks and 6 magnetic segments
The T20 had 12 stacks and 4 magnet segments

The KV of both motors are in there 700's

The T20 motors that HK sells are not the same as a 524, they are shorter.
I have done comparisons on 5692, 524, and 2028 motors and I have tested the 524 motors. Each is it's own and doesn't compare to the others. I can assure you that none of these motors are the same size internally.

[Punisher 67]

Sorry Keith what I was trying to say was Skyrc the manufacturer of the 524 and 528 Proteus motors also make a buggy version . The 524 will have a 2.4 inch long rotor and the 528 will have a 2.8 inch long rotor . I will bet the farm that the rotors are all the same diameter as the 56 series motors TP's and HK's

http://www.skyrc.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=39_82&product_id=139

[Brushless55]

There is a couple of places to get these motors from, another has better shipping. But the price is a little more. OSE sells them now so you will have to do your home work to find what I'm talking about.

I don't understand?

[Punisher 67]

Maybe so but, they are far different than TP power of the same numbers... I think TP Power has splintered up. Johnny said he hired some guys from TP to make motors to his spec, not TP specs.

Ray there is just not enough motor there to push those numbers without it ending up going kaboom........:flashfire:

[ray schrauwen]

I know. I'll just keep propping until it gets to the edge in amps for my SF240. Should be interesting.. don't plan on breaking anything but, the motor is my last worry.

[Punisher 67]

Ok....I just received the HK 1/5 buggy Trackstar and took it apart , The rotor is the same dia as the 5692's but is 71.5mm long . nice motor but it comes with a 12mm shaft and not the 8mm claimed . My take on this is HK ordered a bunch and someone got there wires crossed and made it with a 12mm shaft by mistake . Even the video on youtube clearly states a 8mm shaft with the guy holding the motor . like you can't be that stupid as not to notice the difference . I thought the picture on HK's website looked a little odd .

I will post inside pictures of the motor and rotor when I get home from work tonight .

[ray schrauwen]

Thanks for the info Peter.

[ray schrauwen]

I'd still take one of these over that motor in a heart beat.

[Punisher 67]

Pictures

[ray schrauwen]

Nicely made. Carbon wrapped differing from the blue Turnigy motor (Kevlar wrapped) and much longer arm than the 5692's.

Looks comparable to a 2028 eh Peter?

[crrcboatz]

How do u find a collet for a 12mm shaft!:scared: What is the kv of the HK silver motor?

[Punisher 67]

As far as collet who knows ....??? Kv is 760 . The arm on a 5692 is 50mm and yes the arm is the same size as a 2028

[ray schrauwen]

Where did you get the black car motor Peter?

[twissted]

Well I ordered the skyrc Brand: SkyRC
Match for: Cars http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/5th20car20motor-485x315_zpsce620615.jpg
Kv: 910
Shaft Diameter: Φ8 mm
Voltage Range: Up to 33V
Max Continuous Current: 190A
Max Continuous Power: 6300W
Shaft Length: 30mm
Practical r.p.m.Range: up to 30000
Size: Φ57.8*102mm
Weight: 1130g
I also ordered at the same time the http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/skyrc-protues-x524-2t-2y-910kv-brushless-motor-for-boat_qtkmlq1346031657632_zps4f8452de.jpg
SkyRC
Match for: Boats
Kv: 910
Shaft Diameter: Φ8 mm
Voltage Range: Up to 33V
Max Continuous Current: 190A
Max Continuous Power: 6300W
Shaft Length: 30mm
Practical r.p.m.Range: up to 30000
Size: Φ55.8*112mm
Weight: 1035g
The top motor is for my Rampage XBE and the lower one is for my 58'' boat.
..

[ray schrauwen]

Some of us are lucky enough to have the machines to make such things.


How do u find a collet for a 12mm shaft!:scared: What is the kv of the HK silver motor?

[ray schrauwen]

Well I ordered the skyrc Brand: SkyRC
Match for: Cars Kv: 910
Shaft Diameter: Φ8 mm
Voltage Range: Up to 33V
Max Continuous Current: 190A
Max Continuous Power: 6300W
Shaft Length: 30mm
Practical r.p.m.Range: up to 30000
Size: Φ57.8*102mm
Weight: 1130g
I also ordered at the same time the SkyRC
Match for: Boats
Kv: 910
Shaft Diameter: Φ8 mm
Voltage Range: Up to 33V
Max Continuous Current: 190A
Max Continuous Power: 6300W
Shaft Length: 30mm
Practical r.p.m.Range: up to 30000
Size: Φ55.8*112mm
Weight: 1035g
The top motor is for my Rampage XBE and the lower one is for my 58'' boat.
..

Did you ever receive your esc from China? The Fighter cat one(s) you ordered???

[twissted]

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/RampageXBE002_zps7327443c.jpg
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/Zonda/Zondaboat011_zps8a69b943.jpg
So does this ancwer your question?

[ray schrauwen]

Awesome, thank you.

Can you possibly send me a link for the car esc? I sold a 1/8scale supercar to someone and the Neu 1527 pops 150 amp esc's.

Thanks again Twissted!!


[So does this ancwer your question?

[Brushless55]

Awesome, thank you.

Can you possibly send me a link for the car esc? I sold a 1/8scale supercar to someone and the Neu 1527 pops 150 amp esc's.

Thanks again Twissted!!

and the boat ones! :rockon2:
tell us how well they work for you...

[Punisher 67]

Well I ordered the skyrc Brand: SkyRC ..

From who and how much....$$$$$

[twissted]

I have run the one in the buggy and it didn't harldy get warm on 8s. I ran it hard! as for the boat esc's I haven't run them yet. I hope they are as nice as the car esc.

[Brushless55]

I have run the one in the buggy and it didn't harldy get warm on 8s. I ran it hard! as for the boat esc's I haven't run them yet. I hope they are as nice as the car esc.

do you have a link you could share? :biggrin:

[crrcboatz]

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/RampageXBE002_zps7327443c.jpg
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/Zonda/Zondaboat011_zps8a69b943.jpg
So does this ancwer your question?

R those the 3-16s 280amp models? If so I just ordered 2. Paid extra and got 10 capacitors on them and got one waterproofed in epoxy and a metal box.:wink:

[keithbradley]

Awesome, thank you.

Can you possibly send me a link for the car esc? I sold a 1/8scale supercar to someone and the Neu 1527 pops 150 amp esc's.

Thanks again Twissted!!

Ray, I have some car ESCs here I'm not using.
(1) 8s/300
and
(1) 16s/300

Let me know what you need. :Peace_Sign:

[Chris Harris]

Can you post a link to where you bought thise ESC's?

Thanks,
Chris

[ray schrauwen]

It's Jason JMSxxxx that needs it. He would only need the LV one. I'll let him know, thanks for chiming in.


Ray, I have some car ESCs here I'm not using.
(1) 8s/300
and
(1) 16s/300

Let me know what you need. :Peace_Sign:

[jcald2000]

Chris, I belive he got them here.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/ESC-for-Boat/513485_211691342.html

[Chris Harris]

Thanks Jim!

[crrcboatz]

Chris, I belive he got them here.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/ESC-for-Boat/513485_211691342.html

yep that is where I got mine.

[carlcisneros]

Chris, those are the fightercat esc's by the way. made by Flier model.

[crrcboatz]

Chris, those are the fightercat esc's by the way. made by Flier model.

Flyer model is that good or bad??

[carlcisneros]

they are the manufacturer of the FC line of esc's.

[crrcboatz]

they are the manufacturer of the FC line of esc's.

Ok so since I bought 3 of their better or high end escs they will be good??

[Azmarine]

Just ordered two proteus 524's gotta see what these baby's are about.

[Chris Harris]

Chris, those are the fightercat esc's by the way. made by Flier model.

Yes I saw they actually used
the Fighter Cat name in one of their product descriptions.
I figured they were the mfg but I thought it was strange they were
using the Fighter Cat name. I want to try the 90volt 400 amp, anyone have any experience
with them?

Chris

[jcald2000]

I've got 3 runs on mine, smooooth throddle, ran cool at 180 amps. But it doesn't float, neither did the rigger it was in.

[carlcisneros]

jcald: OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

crrcboatz: they are a good ESC which ones did you get?

Chris; they are good units. keep them cool

[crrcboatz]

jcald: OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

crrcboatz: they are a good ESC which ones did you get?

Chris; they are good units. keep them cool

2 of the 3-16 x280amps and 2 of the 3-8 x 250 amps

[carlcisneros]

both series of esc are great units. the 250A unit is about as bullet proof as you can get.

the 16S unit is a very good one as well. keep itcool.

timing on both units:

Delta: 3-5 deg. MAX
Wye: 5-10 deg. MAX

use the attached programming instructions.

[carlcisneros]

anyways, enough with high-jacking the thread, back to the movie. :smile:

[keithbradley]

5-10 degrees for a Y wind Carl? Is that a mis-print? I don't think I've ever seen a y that runs well at 5 degrees...

[ray schrauwen]

What timing do you like?
5-10 degrees for a Y wind Carl? Is that a mis-print? I don't think I've ever seen a y that runs well at 5 degrees...

Has anyone checked the motor constants to see how accurate they are?

[twissted]

So I bought the SKYRC marine 910 kv and the car 910kv motor. They claim that the car motor makes 10 hp! Does the marine duel kv motor make this much power?

[keithbradley]

What timing do you like?

Has anyone checked the motor constants to see how accurate they are?

Typically I find y winds to run well around 15 degrees. It depends on the situation, but I think 10 is usually about as low as you want to go on a y.

[lars_01]

Short video of a 130cm carbon mono with the HK 5692 1000kv and Flier 400A esc o 10S (4 HK 5S 5000mah) Motor:30 degress Esc: 16 degress
Batts:16 degress Cabels: 47 degress. Runing a Andy Brown 57/3 Water temp 10 degress.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad2FXZOgPuI&feature=youtu.be
Lasse

[carlcisneros]

the 5-10 deg are for the ESC for those that are rather NEW to the FE market.
I usually run my esc's (Y wind motors) at 10-13 deg. nice and cool.

Ben and I tested and talked a long time about the timing on the FC HV units
and this is what we came up with for the new/new average boater to use so
that there would not be any (or very little)ESC smoking.

[Steven Vaccaro]

the 5-10 deg are for the ESC for those that are rather NEW to the FE market.
I usually run my esc's (Y wind motors) at 10-13 deg. nice and cool.

Ben and I tested and talked a long time about the timing on the FC HV units
and this is what we came up with for the new/new average boater to use so
that there would not be any (or very little)ESC smoking.

Should a slight timing change cause an esc to smoke?

[carlcisneros]

all depends on the motors used. ( i know about that one.:flashfire::flame42::flammes-09:)

It is mainly the outrunners.

[Azmarine]

Here's. a proteus absolutely dwarfing an excelorin 1/36. Just for schnitzngiggles.

[Azmarine]

Anyone mounted these I've got some 5692 mounts that are too wide to get any angle in the sponsons of my drambuie. I think I'd like to use some bottom mounts but I'm open to suggestions, I don't think I could do the carbon fiber mounts myself.

[ray schrauwen]

These are o.k. They are approx. 3.5" wide. cheap and good if they are useable.

[Azmarine]

Thanks but 80mm is snug already, I'm looking for some bottom mounts. With it looks like a 30mm bolt pattern.

[srislash]

Anyone mounted these I've got some 5692 mounts that are too wide to get any angle in the sponsons of my drambuie. I think I'd like to use some bottom mounts but I'm open to suggestions, I don't think I could do the carbon fiber mounts myself. C'mon give it a shot.I bet you can make the mounts. I got some 4mm CF here.

[Azmarine]

I don't known what to cut it with, I hear it dulls bits and wheels pretty fast.

[srislash]

What I have here is my homemade sheet.It has layers of Fibreglass cloth then CF on the outside to resist heat.It doesn't cut to bad.I use a cheapy coping saw and drill.I usually use a file to smooth the edges.I only started this awhile back

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m488/SRIslash/Komodo%20Twin/komodo003-1.jpg

[CircusCircus]

So has anyone tested one of these monsters yet? any opinions? I bought the Turnigy T20 Aquastar and plan on putting it in a 8th scale hydroplane, but still working on hull.

Also whats the verdict on the waterjacket is it usable can it be sealed-up to work or is the OSE waterjacket a must.

[Azmarine]

Well I've tested just the motor, and if you don't mind leavin the jacket on semi permanent you can use black rtv sealant. Keith Bradley has video of his 73 mystic on twin proteus. It's also for sale on his forum. Check it out

[Steven Vaccaro]

Post the YouTube video link?

[gerardobrandao]

Post the YouTube video link?


Here it goes..... :D

http://keithbradleyboats.freeforums.org/kbb-73-mystic-catamaran-t312.html

Best Regards

[Azmarine]

Hey Keith, what are the bolt patterns on the 524-2t there are quite a few holes to chose from

[Steven Vaccaro]

This is what I was looking for. Very nice boat.

http://youtu.be/eOEBOnyRtCo

[twissted]

Looks like lots of power! Very nice boat. I bought one of these motors. Looks like money well spent.

[twissted]

Well I also bought a SSS5694 motor from horracing.com and it is the way to go if your looking to build a 100 mph cat.
I'm running this motor in my 1/5 4x4, and on 8s I smoke the tires 100 feet down the street. Forget wheelies. I can't get traction with racing slicks!
89613
Here are the specs. for ths motor.
SSS 5694 6 pole 1200kv motor.
Type: 5694
KV: 1200
Y/D: 2.5D
Max Amp (A): 292
Max Volt (V): 41
Max Power (W): 12000
Max RPM: 50K
Non Load Current (A): 3.5
Shaft Diameter (mm): 8
Motor size diameter x length (mm): 56*94
Gross weight (g): 900


As you can see this motor runs wher it is needed to get the big speeds that large boats need.
I seen a nice cat for sale with the wrong motors in it. I bet that if he installed these motors in it he would get his speeds he was looking for.
HERE IS THE BEST PART, 99.00 PLUS 24.00 air freight gets it to your door in a week! These are TP power motors with racing specs! If your looking for even more power try the new TP Power 5850 motors. http://tppower.com/sort.asp?class_id=4&news=21896108961189612

[keithbradley]

The new 528 "Beast" motor is the most powerfull motor under $200. Excluding the Neu and Lehners, I would rate motor power OUTPUT something like this:

Castle 2028, Beast 528 > Leopard 56x110 > Proteus 528 > Leopard 5698 > Proteus 520, Leopard 5692, HOR 5694

I would personally choose the 4 pole Proteus and Leopard over the HOR motor in a boat. I have had problems with 6 pole motors and certain ESCs in the upper RPM range.
I am also a dealer for TP Power, and they don't make a 56mm x 94mm motor, so I think you're wrong about the source of HOR's motors.

[ray schrauwen]

Johnny hired either temp or ?? some guys from TP Power to make these special for him. They have set screws and flat spots to keep the shaft from spinning and have longer rotors and coils than some TP Power motors from HK like the 1320.

If you go to Chris Fines website yu will see his TP Power AKA "Black Nemesis" motors. They are TP Power too just special order Rare Y winds.

I would say this is the beastiest motor out there:


30 HP Model
10 pole
25,000max rpms
10mm Shaft
22,000
watts

600

500

41

4.4

5"x5"

Special Order
2 week delivery time
$1885.00

He has 56x85mm, 56x95mm, 58x95mm and the above beast. Very pricey but, most likely built as well as the SSS HOR version.

You see how the length is just a couple mm longer than Leo's and the SSS's, thats just mainly endbell plate thicness. The SSS's were thicker than the HK TP Power ones and Chris's are possibly even thicker adding a 1mm just to have a different motor classification or something??

[keithbradley]

I know the 58mm motors Chris has are TP motors. I'm not sure about the 56mm motors that HOR has though...I actually was under the impression that those were Tenshock motors.

If anyone really wants that "30HP" motor let me know...I can get you a little bit better deal on it than that.

[ray schrauwen]

I bet you can :wink:

Hard to say if Tenshock or not but, I might get a 1700kv 5684 in spring for some fast SAW runs on 6S.

[keithbradley]

I bet you can :wink:

Hard to say if Tenshock or not but, I might get a 1700kv 5684 in spring for some fast SAW runs on 6S.

What hull? What would your setup be Ray? I've never found a use for the highkv/large can motors in boats...I'll be interested to see what you do with it.

[Punisher 67]

Well I also bought a SSS5694 motor from horracing.com and it is the way to go if your looking to build a 100 mph cat.
I'm running this motor in my 1/5 4x4, and on 8s I smoke the tires 100 feet down the street. Forget wheelies. I can't get traction with racing slicks!

Please Post the video of this awesome feat....that would be coool to watch - I am really curious about getting a 1/5 myself



The new 528 "Beast" motor is the most powerfull motor under $200. Excluding the Neu and Lehners, I would rate motor power OUTPUT something like this:

Castle 2028, Beast 528 > Leopard 56x110 > Proteus 528 > Leopard 5698 > Proteus 520, Leopard 5692, HOR 5694

I would personally choose the 4 pole Proteus and Leopard over the HOR motor in a boat. I have had problems with 6 pole motors and certain ESCs in the upper RPM range.
I am also a dealer for TP Power, and they don't make a 56mm x 94mm motor, so I think you're wrong about the source of HOR's motors.

I have to agree with Keith infact I will go two better neither of which is more than 11000 watts

Lehner 3080 > Neu 2230 > Castle 2028, Beast 528 > Leopard 56x110 > Proteus 528 > Leopard 5698 > Proteus 520, Leopard 5692, HOR 5694

Twissted please don't take this as an attack on you but I have a hard time chewing on the fact that these will stand toe to toe with a 2230 Neu or a Lehner 3080 .

[ray schrauwen]

Well, I was going to experiment with it in my 40" mono maybe. It is Carbon Kevlar and pretty light. I kmow guys that run 1717's in 40" monos and get 60mph out of them. Too bad I missed that sale for the Sirius 1717's ( :wink: )


What hull? What would your setup be Ray? I've never found a use for the highkv/large can motors in boats...I'll be interested to see what you do with it.

[twissted]

Keith I would say that you should buy a pair of these SSS5694 motors. I will be the best money that you've spent in awhile. When you do, look at the construction. the ends are TP also look at the specs. 50000 rpm in this size of motor? No company is going to build a motor better than what the company is capable of for them selves. The specks for this motor is HOR and if you go to the MHZ site you will find that they have a custom motor that is like the SSS5694 but is a little longer 5698 and is called a Sirius Engines

[Jason4636]

Keith I would say that you should buy a pair of these SSS5694 motors. I will be the best money that you've spent in awhile. When you do, look at the construction. the ends are TP also look at the specs. 50000 rpm in this size of motor? No company is going to build a motor better than what the company is capable of for them selves. The specks for this motor is HOR and if you go to the MHZ site you will find that they have a custom motor that is like the SSS5694 but is a little longer 5698 and is called a Sirius Engines

Twissted- I would really,really love to see you turn 50,000rpm with that motor. Let the smoke roll baby. Have you ever heard, cause I know I haven't. How leopard, sirius, and many other makers of rc motors say 60,000rpm max. I would love to see someone even run one at 60,000rpm for any distance. It won't happen. Anyone can claim a certain number, but are you ever going to run a boat there without it catching on fire. It won't happen

[Cooper]

So if I rember correct didn't you ,twisted, file a PayPal claim against hor? And you bought more product from him at a later date? And now you want to spin a 56 size motor up to 50000 rpm just cus the bearings are rated for that??? Just as a curtisiy to hor please don't file another claim when you cook those motors. I would like to see the results when you pass 360amps through that motor for any length of time. 10s battery is pretty high for 1200 kv. (50000 rpm).

[Cooper]

So if I rember correct didn't you ,twisted, file a PayPal claim against hor? And you bought more product from him at a later date? And now you want to spin a 56 size motor up to 50000 rpm just cus the bearings are rated for that??? Just as a curtisiy to hor please don't file another claim when you cook those motors. I would like to see the results when you pass 360amps through that motor for any length of time. 10s battery is pretty high for 1200 kv. (50000 rpm).

Really I would like to see the results, please post pics or video of your run when you do. :)

[twissted]

I'm running it at 35520 @8s. I never run at max of a motor. I think that the props are better at a lower rpm as well. But 50000 rpm tells a lot as to the quality of a motor. I like the fact that you read between the lines. It gives a clear picture as to how to respond.
I would like to add that I added specs so that you can see the differance in motors and also some of whats the same. How many companies build large motors that turn like that. You want a fast boat, find a motor that likes to turn. I'm thinking they make a larger power curve and also same with the torque. I don't care how much a motor cost or not. There are tells as to what makes a great motor. Thats fact, and you guys can paint any kind of picture want, and I'll stick to the numbers that the motors produce. If you have a problem with that please explain it to MHZ as they have a brushless motor with the same kind of numbers as the TP motors as well as the SSS5694. Take a lokk at the motors that I'm talking about and you will see that the end bells are the same. I think if you look you can push these motor with bigger boats then say the Neu and Skyrc motors. I will build a boat that proves this point. I have some of the motors to test this, when the boat gets built. I think that there are boats out there that already proves this point, and I hope to do the same. I don't think you will find me pushing past the limits of these motors but matching them to the ability of the esc's and liops that I will run.89706

[Cooper]

I know what these motors look like, if you want I can take the can apart. And I do not believe these motors will last any time spinning any prop at 50000 rpms.


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[Cooper]

And if money wasn't really a concern and quality was I know I would be talking to s neu. Have one custom built. I have already thought about it but the $600, I would rather burn up less expensive ones. Even the very high dollars motors will melt, split, demagnetize, seize, arc, spin bearings, short, burn, just as easily as a less expensive motor- its all in the combinations of inputs, volts, amps, watts, load, heat, ect,,,, and well post the video of you running them and your setup.


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[keithbradley]

Keith I would say that you should buy a pair of these SSS5694 motors. I will be the best money that you've spent in awhile. When you do, look at the construction. the ends are TP also look at the specs. 50000 rpm in this size of motor? No company is going to build a motor better than what the company is capable of for them selves. The specks for this motor is HOR and if you go to the MHZ site you will find that they have a custom motor that is like the SSS5694 but is a little longer 5698 and is called a Sirius Engines

Send me one and I'll do a no load test at 50,000RPMS and video it for you. I will post it on my website regardless of outcome as an example for everyone to see.

[twissted]

I bought the equipment to do the same. And also to balance the motors. I'm looking possibly running 10s as the way to go. A pair of A-spec with the TP5850 motors should be just the ticket to get this build there. I think I will try the SSS5694 800kv motors first. As they will keep me in the fast and cheap mode for this build. that will keep the rpms low 3.7vx800kvx10s= 29600rpm or run it at 12sx800x3.7v=35520 this is the same as the 1200kv motor running on 8s. Which brings up the money part. I could run on 8s and not buy batteries at all, because I have 8 of the 4s batteris that I run in my buggy in series. With the SSS5694 motor in it. I did add a mesh cove to the back of the motor so that dirt would'nt harm the motor. The power is amazing!

[Mike Caruso]

I bought the equipment to do the same. And also to balance the motors. I'm looking possibly running 10s as the way to go. A pair of A-spec with the TP5850 motors should be just the ticket to get this build there. I think I will try the SSS5694 800kv motors first. As they will keep me in the fast and cheap mode for this build. that will keep the rpms low 3.7vx800kvx10s= 29600rpm or run it at 12sx800x3.7v=35520 this is the same as the 1200kv motor running on 8s. Which brings up the money part. I could run on 8s and not buy batteries at all, because I have 8 of the 4s batteris that I run in my buggy in series. With the SSS5694 motor in it. I did add a mesh cove to the back of the motor so that dirt would'nt harm the motor. The power is amazing!

You bought motor testing equipment?
Where did you buy it?
My friends tease me because instead of running my boat, I like testing and having hard Data to back me up.
This way I know what works and what does not....BUT if it works out the other way around I have to find out why?
Mike

[Steven Vaccaro]

Sorry but I had no choice but to clean this up. Time to get it back on topic. Twisted I suggest you post pictures of your big cat builds before giving advise to other members.

[ray schrauwen]

There is an off-topic section.

[twissted]

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22631__Turnigy_7_in_1_Mega_Meter_.html
I hope this helps you in your testing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5vawXZ9Q6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpDGRLRFDNY
http://www.hobbypartz.com/moac1.html

[twissted]

I would like to point out that this started when I was telling everyone that the sss5694 is a great motor.
Sorry but I had no choice but to clean this up. Time to get it back on topic. Twisted I suggest you post pictures of your big cat builds before giving advise to other members.

[twissted]

This is true. I was pointing out that the motors are rated at this rpm. I run this motor on 8s. I don't have a clue as to why people think I'm doing other wise. If I was to run 12s It would be with the 800kv motor. I would end up with the same rpm. I do think that the TP Power motors will out perform the Neu.
And if money wasn't really a concern and quality was I know I would be talking to s neu. Have one custom built. I have already thought about it but the $600, I would rather burn up less expensive ones. Even the very high dollars motors will melt, split, demagnetize, seize, arc, spin bearings, short, burn, just as easily as a less expensive motor- its all in the combinations of inputs, volts, amps, watts, load, heat, ect,,,, and well post the video of you running them and your setup.


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[twissted]

898088980989810 TP Power 5850 motors look a lot a like other than the ribs in the can. This is one of the reasons I think that tp makes the SSS line for Hor Racing.
oper;470862]I know what these motors look like, if you want I can take the can apart. And I do not believe these motors will last any time spinning any prop at 50000 rpms.


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[dana]

I do think that the TP Power motors will out perform the Neu.
how many neu motors do you own?

[dana]

i bet the tp motors out perform lehner too :doh:

[twissted]

I have none at the moment. I traded it off for a LRP motor.
I take that back I have 2 Kyohso mini infernos that use the esc's and one the runs the Neu motor as well.

[twissted]

They might look at the build that runs a pair of 5850 motors in a 94" MHZ boat. He was running Lehner motors. read the hole thing. Get back with me. It orange in color and is fast.
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?36077-MHZ-Mystic-240-(94-)-electric

[KartRacer]

If it quacks like a duck ........
LoL

[twissted]

Yes the boat ran faster with the Lehner motors (Not by much). But the big question is why. I seems that he is very happy with the TP5850 motors and it is very impressive! I think in my 60" build, that is in the near future will do well with these motors.

[Punisher 67]

Twissted being a Lehner owner of 3 X 3080'S and 3 X 2280's I am going to clue you in a bit here - as always you always get what you pay for and the Lehners are no exception . There is no motor out there that is built like the Lehner line they have a very unique rotor design and are just packed full of wire making them easily one of the most efficient designs out there . Neu 's are also well designed but as of late I see some quality control issues hopefully that will be nipped in the butt . But needless to say a very large and extremely powerful line of motors .

So the big question why was the speed so close - Maybe cause the KV was also close between the two design's and with the same cell count the speed would have been close also . Now lets start adding power well past the manufactures rated limit similar on both motors and see if the high precision Chinese motor can handle the heat - I 'll bet you it grenades well before the Lehner even see's any stress . I noticed on your pictures of the 5850 that it was Herve from the uniques section logo next to the motors so can you explain why you are using someone else's product to make your point . I do not know you and I do not want to insult you either but you certainly have made a few ignorant assumptions .

i cannot put this any nicer but there is no F**KING way a Hor SSS5294 will push 12KV on a continual output and anyone thinking it will is an absolute retard . There is just not enough motor or mass to support those kind of numbers unless it is just for a few seconds on a saws run . I have seen the inside of a 11KV Lehner 3080 and also the pinner interior of a 4 & 6 pole 5692 the Hor's equivalent - It is like comparing a garden hose to a sewer pipe in fact a 56110 would be severely taxed trying to even come close and its a 25% larger motor . I just cannot see any magical magnetic and wiring combination that makes that motor so special and above all others .

Quit using everyone else's examples and maybe post some of your own real world experiances .

[keithbradley]

Twissted being a Lehner owner of 3 X 3080'S and 3 X 2280's I am going to clue you in a bit here - as always you always get what you pay for and the Lehners are no exception . There is no motor out there that is built like the Lehner line they have a very unique rotor design and are just packed full of wire making them easily one of the most efficient designs out there . Neu 's are also well designed but as of late I see some quality control issues hopefully that will be nipped in the butt . But needless to say a very large and extremely powerful line of motors .

So the big question why was the speed so close - Maybe cause the KV was also close between the two design's and with the same cell count the speed would have been close also . Now lets start adding power well past the manufactures rated limit similar on both motors and see if the high precision Chinese motor can handle the heat - I 'll bet you it grenades well before the Lehner even see's any stress . I noticed on your pictures of the 5850 that it was Herve from the uniques section logo next to the motors so can you explain why you are using someone else's product to make your point . I do not know you and I do not want to insult you either but you certainly have made a few ignorant assumptions .

i cannot put this any nicer but there is no F**KING way a Hor SSS5294 will push 12KV on a continual output and anyone thinking it will is an absolute retard . There is just not enough motor or mass to support those kind of numbers unless it is just for a few seconds on a saws run . I have seen the inside of a 11KV Lehner 3080 and also the pinner interior of a 4 & 6 pole 5692 the Hor's equivalent - It is like comparing a garden hose to a sewer pipe in fact a 56110 would be severely taxed trying to even come close and its a 25% larger motor . I just cannot see any magical magnetic and wiring combination that makes that motor so special and above all others .

Quit using everyone else's examples and maybe post some of your own real world experiances .
What do you run your 2280s in Peter? I'm considering a pair for one of my upcoming builds...
Also, what are your thoughts on the Lehner kv ratings and how they compare to Neu's...maybe we can add some USEFULL info to this thread!

[Punisher 67]

Keith I haven't a whole lot of experience with the 2280's but I did have one in a 35 mono on 8 cells and it was a rank setup infact the hull was completely destroyed in a crash , It was a 2280/7 and for me the number 7 for Lerner's is a lucky number . Seems for my apps that config works the best . My main experience is with the 45 - 60 inch boats . the 3080/7 and Neu 2230 /1Y are almost carbon copies of each other with size and weight with the lehner weighing about 5% more . ,My two Snipers running the same cells , same prop , everything else runs about 5% faster with the 3080 and eats about 10% more for amps and time as apposed to the 2230. So the closest eaquivs between Neu;s and Lehners are the 2230/1Y Neu's and the 3080/7 's both with virtually the same KV'S and power output - the 3080 in this app has the upper hand in my experience

The Hor SS5694 competing in this arena is beyond a laughable joke ( twissted )

Never owning a Neu 2230 or a Lehner 3080 and then running them side by side how con you possibily make any comparison with some magic motor....Hor 5694

[Doby]

Twissted being a Lehner owner of 3 X 3080'S and 3 X 2280's I am going to clue you in a bit here - as always you always get what you pay for and the Lehners are no exception . There is no motor out there that is built like the Lehner line they have a very unique rotor design and are just packed full of wire making them easily one of the most efficient designs out there . Neu 's are also well designed but as of late I see some quality control issues hopefully that will be nipped in the butt . But needless to say a very large and extremely powerful line of motors .

So the big question why was the speed so close - Maybe cause the KV was also close between the two design's and with the same cell count the speed would have been close also . Now lets start adding power well past the manufactures rated limit similar on both motors and see if the high precision Chinese motor can handle the heat - I 'll bet you it grenades well before the Lehner even see's any stress . I noticed on your pictures of the 5850 that it was Herve from the uniques section logo next to the motors so can you explain why you are using someone else's product to make your point . I do not know you and I do not want to insult you either but you certainly have made a few ignorant assumptions .

i cannot put this any nicer but there is no F**KING way a Hor SSS5294 will push 12KV on a continual output and anyone thinking it will is an absolute retard . There is just not enough motor or mass to support those kind of numbers unless it is just for a few seconds on a saws run . I have seen the inside of a 11KV Lehner 3080 and also the pinner interior of a 4 & 6 pole 5692 the Hor's equivalent - It is like comparing a garden hose to a sewer pipe in fact a 56110 would be severely taxed trying to even come close and its a 25% larger motor . I just cannot see any magical magnetic and wiring combination that makes that motor so special and above all others .

Quit using everyone else's examples and maybe post some of your own real world experiances .

Yup.

[Punisher 67]

Twissted I just want to apologize for being a little to gruff on my comments towards you sorry,,,, but the 12KV there is just no way - Hor claiming those numbers just blows me away

[dana]

Twissted I just want to apologize for a little to gruff on my comments towards you sorry,,,, but the 12KV there is just no way - Hor claiming those numbers just blows me away
if youve had any dealings with this guy you would realize theres no need for apologies. he has been rude and obnoxious on many occasions to others on here.

[twissted]

Ok here is how I set up timming on my motors. I start wit factory guid lines and take temps and amp draw. I then set the timming to amp draw and keep a eye on the temp. What I get from that is the speed of the motors I also use different props. As for the quality of the SSS5694 motors I think they are great. as for thinking that they are better than the Lehner motors no. Go do think that theyare a steal at 99.00 dollars and would use one over a Neu motor of same size. This is my opinion and it is why I one one and will buy more in the future. As for buying a Lehner motor I would rather buy TP Power of the same size because I like the power to size that they produce, and they are more priced with my wallet in mine. you have your opinion and I have mine. I also think that tp sells more product for the reasons I just covered. They my not out run the lehner motor at the moment but they are a new company that makes changes to be the racers choice. I like that.

[twissted]

Hey I get it. And the thoughts we share are based on what we have used and lost in building and ther is a learning curve that I must face. I think that what Hor is claiming is based on the company that builds them. I'm thinking TP Power as they have alot of the same specs.

[lenny]

:tiphat:
Hears a tip for you,
Just do not believe everything you read or hear.:lol:
They like to till you what you want to hear,
Just as long as it sell the stuff.
Bull sh!t sells stuff, Just like sex does.:tongue_smilie:

[keithbradley]

you have your opinion and I have mine.
His opinion is based on experience.
Yours is based on nonsense.
You like the motors you have because they are the only motors you have.
Your assessment of Lehner, Neu, or even other brands of motors is about as valuable as your assessment of my back yard...you know nothing about either.
Feel free to comment on your experiences. Keep the rest to yourself.
It would be nice to keep some of these threads on track. Too many posts about your guesses just makes it hard for people to find the real info.

[Cooper]

Ok here is how I set up timming on my motors. I start wit factory guid lines and take temps and amp draw. I then set the timming to amp draw and keep a eye on the temp. What I get from that is the speed of the motors I also use different props. As for the quality of the SSS5694 motors I think they are great. as for thinking that they are better than the Lehner motors no. Go do think that theyare a steal at 99.00 dollars and would use one over a Neu motor of same size. This is my opinion and it is why I one one and will buy more in the future. As for buying a Lehner motor I would rather buy TP Power of the same size because I like the power to size that they produce, and they are more priced with my wallet in mine. you have your opinion and I have mine. I also think that tp sells more product for the reasons I just covered. They my not out run the lehner motor at the moment but they are a new company that makes changes to be the racers choice. I like that.
Agree with Keith!!!!, I wonder why almost all the young kids buy Hondas and mitsubishi and the like and not buy Bugatti, ferrari , lambos, Porsche ? The later performs better doesn't it?

[Cooper]

Interesting read guys, but my brain has bled enough, would be nice to ignore somethings but bad advice does have to be addressed. Hope you all well, you too twisted, and share some of your personally documented testing/builds ( enough of pics from others with the specs-show your own conclusions/results)

[Brushless55]

His opinion is based on experience.
Yours is based on nonsense.
You like the motors you have because they are the only motors you have.
Your assessment of Lehner, Neu, or even other brands of motors is about as valuable as your assessment of my back yard...you know nothing about either.
Feel free to comment on your experiences. Keep the rest to yourself.
It would be nice to keep some of these threads on track. Too many posts about your guesses just makes it hard for people to find the real info.

Agreed

[twissted]

Ok I will say it again. I run the SSS5694 1200 and also I run a pair of SSS3674 2075kv I run the 5694 on 8s and the 3674 on 6s. try to find a 3674 that runs on 6s! These motors are the real deal and untill you try one you will have just take the word of someone that knows nothing. LOL!
3.7v X 2075kv X 6s= 46065 RPM!

[Punisher 67]

Twissted you can't run that kind of sustained rpm in a boat unless its a saws run - Are you using your motors in cars or buggies

[twissted]

Hey look at some zonda catamarans on you tube. I know they arn't mine but iot shows what I'm taking about. They come with the same motors mine did. In some of the videos they run full for min. on end. So now what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFRaUlnF_aY
Looks like this video runs for over 6 min on 6s 3300 mah. enjoy!

[keithbradley]

Ok I will say it again. I run the SSS5694 1200 and also I run a pair of SSS3674 2075kv I run the 5694 on 8s and the 3674 on 6s. try to find a 3674 that runs on 6s! These motors are the real deal and untill you try one you will have just take the word of someone that knows nothing. LOL!
3.7v X 2075kv X 6s= 46065 RPM!

No video = didn't happen.

Why do you think a smaller motor running 6s is impressive anyway? I have video of both 3665 and 3674 motors running on 8s...

[twissted]

I run the same batteries but they are 5000mah so run time are longer. I hope this clears up any thoughs that I was miss leading anyone. Carter I hope I'm still in good standing I would hate to see my personality go to hell over a bunch of guys that want fact and pictures of what I have and have done. I posted a bunch of my work and it was removed! As for looking at what I have posted about these motors from HOR Racing. why don't you guys look at what these motors are doing. Then the bashing would stop and We could talk shop.

[twissted]

I caught that. Try again I fixed it. Keith I know that the power level of these motors is 29V. But I run on 6s and have trouble getting these batteries to fit. I can fun 6s and it runs safe and I can bump the prop size with temps staying in a safe range. I run esc's that call for 6s as Max. That is another reason.
Try this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WviAV1OjY4E

[gerardobrandao]

Hello Guys


I just don´t understand, why does a post about a motor that have 8 pages, talks half of the motor, and the other half about speculation...
Anyone who search this motor in the net, and is directed to this forum, will read more about ..i made..i done,,i haven´t made..i don´t know..this is best this is better..this is even better!
Let´s just keep the track...

That´s mine only 0.02 cents...:confused1:

[gerardobrandao]

Hello Guys


I just don´t understand, why does a post about a motor that have 8 pages, talks half of the motor, and the other half about speculation...
Anyone who search this motor in the net, and is directed to this forum, will read more about ..i made..i done,,i haven´t made..i don´t know..this is best this is better..this is even better!
Let´s just keep the track...

That´s mine only 0.02 cents...:confused1:

[Brushless55]

I run the same batteries but they are 5000mah so run time are longer. I hope this clears up any thoughs that I was miss leading anyone. Carter I hope I'm still in good standing I would hate to see my personality go to hell over a bunch of guys that want fact and pictures of what I have and have done. I posted a bunch of my work and it was removed! As for looking at what I have posted about these motors from HOR Racing. why don't you guys look at what these motors are doing. Then the bashing would stop and We could talk shop.

reasons your posts were deleted :blink:

this aint no HOR add :bash:

[dana]

Hey look at some zonda catamarans on you tube. I know they arn't mine but iot shows what I'm taking about. They come with the same motors mine did. In some of the videos they run full for min. on end. So now what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFRaUlnF_aY
Looks like this video runs for over 6 min on 6s 3300 mah. enjoy!

He opens it up for about 1-2 seconds at a time. Big deal. I run a Neu 2200 on 5s for 4minutes wide open throttle, no pussyfooting on off throttle bologna.neu are real motors unlike the rubbish they put in Zonda cat. First thing I would do with that cat is pull the motors and throw them in the rubbish lol

[KartRacer]

And on and on and on!

[keithbradley]

I caught that. Try again I fixed it. Keith I know that the power level of these motors is 29V. But I run on 6s and have trouble getting these batteries to fit. I can fun 6s and it runs safe and I can bump the prop size with temps staying in a safe range. I run esc's that call for 6s as Max. That is another reason.
Try this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WviAV1OjY4E
You're still posting other people's videos...we all have youtube here twissted, we don't need you to link us to videos you have nothing to do with.:bash:

However, I will take the bait. You posted the above video to show that your 3674 motors are superior to everything else out there.

Here is a heavier, wetter running hull with SMALLER 3665 motors. Notice I didn't need to go outside my own youtube account to get it. Also, notice that it's obviously a lot faster than the boat in the vid you posted:mellow::


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEXw7Hg9mWM

[Punisher 67]

He opens it up for about 1-2 seconds at a time. Big deal. I run a Neu 2200 on 5s for 4minutes wide open throttle, no pussyfooting on off throttle bologna.neu are real motors unlike the rubbish they put in Zonda cat. First thing I would do with that cat is pull the motors and throw them in the rubbish lol

Thanks Dana I was going to make the same statement , both my Snipers are at full power for almost 4 minutes maybe backing off a bit on the corners there is no 3 seconds of full powers then turn it around and do the same again .

This is a waist of time

[twissted]

That was fast! How big is the boat? I did see 7 sec. of it. So your point is I don't have my own videos or that You can push a small motor for 7 sec. I'm lost here. I'm trying to understand your bashing, but maybe you can tell me how a SSS motor has anything to do with what you just posted. I can't believe that you can't take me at my word that these are great motors. There are motors out there that can be pushed to the limit you have just showen. I would like to see that again for 6 min. and see the boat that did it. Anyone want on board with that motor after running 6 min. I'm shure he's selling it cheap!

[keithbradley]

I'm lost here.
Finally some truth!

[Brushless55]

That was fast! How big is the boat? I did see 7 sec. of it. So your point is I don't have my own videos or that You can push a small motor for 7 sec. I'm lost here. I'm trying to understand your bashing, but maybe you can tell me how a SSS motor has anything to do with what you just posted. I can't believe that you can't take me at my word that these are great motors. There are motors out there that can be pushed to the limit you have just showen. I would like to see that again for 6 min. and see the boat that did it. Anyone want on board with that motor after running 6 min. I'm shure he's selling it cheap!

I'm starting to think HOR sucks :olleyes:

[twissted]

Oh so now I'm a lier. You really have a way with words. You shoud stick with pictures as your reading is something to be desired! What have I lied about?

[twissted]

So what part of HOR sucks the boats or the motors or the parts?

[twissted]

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/Zonda/RampageXBE025.jpg
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/Zonda/Zondaboat004_zps48c045b7.jpg
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/Zonda/RampageXBE027.jpg
This is a Zonda that is made of kevlar and is mine it is fast and it will run with most cats out there. So what is your problem HOR or me? See keith I used my own pictures!

[Brushless55]

So what part of HOR sucks the boats or the motors or the parts?

HOR service sucks
they don't stand behind what they sell

[Jason4636]

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/Zonda/RampageXBE025.jpg
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/Zonda/Zondaboat004_zps48c045b7.jpg
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/Zonda/RampageXBE027.jpg
This is a Zonda that is made of kevlar and is mine it is fast and it will run with most cats out there. So what is your problem HOR or me? See keith I used my own pictures!
All I can say is HOLY *!***!***!***!**!!!!!!! This post might get me shut down for a while or for good. But all I can say twissted. This is your most original post you have posted in a month on any forum!!! Period!!!! It's the only pic of your boat, on OSE, FC, Keith's. any forum???? I'm proud of you!!! I really am. Welcome to the world of posting YOUR own pictures. Holy gd if I thought you was old enough I would buy you a beer. Congrats

[dana]

I'm starting to think HOR sucks :olleyes:
Hor definitely sucks lol

[dana]

So what part of HOR sucks the boats or the motors or the parts?
The customers lol

[gerardobrandao]

Hello


Sometimes i get The felling that some persons are payed, or sponsored, just to come to The fóruns , making outstanding publicity of they products....
I think one thing is reviewing it...other thing is selling rabbit for cat...:-)

Best regards

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[Brushless55]

The customers lol

:w00t::lol::w00t:

[Punisher 67]

Jeez I have been heckling with someone still in diapers - :olleyes::olleyes: Now I feel bad -:blush:

[Doby]

Jeez I have been heckling with someone still in diapers - :olleyes::olleyes: Now I feel bad -:blush:

Don't worry Peter, you'll be in diapers soon enough:laugh:

[twissted]

Here is what it looks like with the 6s 5000mah batteries installed.
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/Zonda/XBERampage010.jpg
The dark stuff on the platform is liquid tape to keep batteries from slipping.

[dana]

Jeez I have been heckling with someone still in diapers - :olleyes::olleyes: Now I feel bad -:blush:

I don't think he's young. Based on some of his other statements he appears to be older.

[twissted]

The funny thing about all this is you are bashing a motor that you haven't run. I run the Zonda that runs as if it has bigger motors in it and none of you have anything good to say. Youu all tell me what it can and can't do off of what the weight of a motor. Well I'm not buying one bit of it. Let me share a video that was post on cooling of these motors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwG5UItGktk
MHZpowerboat posted this. I bet you have something to say about MHZ using these motors as well. Oh I can't wait to here this!!!

[dana]

Here is what it looks like with the 6s 5000mah batteries installed.
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu2/Jack59/Zonda/XBERampage010.jpg
The dark stuff on the platform is liquid tape to keep batteries from slipping.

I really don't even know what you're trying to say anymore. Your Zonda has good motors? I don't even know what your point is anymore. You bought a Zonda, painted it, and run it on 6s. And...?

[twissted]

The fact that I own SSS5694 and it has this same feature I would also like to point out that you have nothing that prove your point other than you like to mouth off on something you don't own or have used. The fact that you keep chiming in on something that you have no imput on other than something bad to say shows alot about you. The fact that you call me a lier and have no facts on. Shows that your not to bright as well. The guys that said that the mass of the motor to take the kind of power is based on motors that don't cool from within. I have sat back and took all this bashing and have enjoyed how set in your ways that is based on opinion and and with nothing more thatn what you own as to what other motors can and can't do. Try to talk your way out of this, or better yet just do more bashing on the guy trying to share something worth while.

[dana]

The only thing I've learned from this thread is, I will NEVER use tp or sss motors lol

[Doug Smock]

Keep in mind these are toy boats fellas!!

Keep it clean and we'll keep it open.:wink:

[dana]

The fact that I own SSS5694 and it has this same feature I would also like to point out that you have nothing that prove your point other than you like to mouth off on something you don't own or have used. The fact that you keep chiming in on something that you have no imput on other than something bad to say shows alot about you. The fact that you call me a lier and have no facts on. Shows that your not to bright as well. The guys that said that the mass of the motor to take the kind of power is based on motors that don't cool from within. I have sat back and took all this bashing and have enjoyed how set in your ways that is based on opinion and and with nothing more thatn what you own as to what other motors can and can't do. Try to talk your way out of this, or better yet just do more bashing on the guy trying to share something worth while.


I tried having a normal conversation with you in another thread, and you exploded on me, insisting that I show you something I've built other than boats. Did you bother to look at my guitar build I posted the link for?
That being said, I will stop directing my comments to you and just enjoy the circus.

[twissted]

I will be there to remind you of what you just said!

[twissted]

I would like to point out that I looked at the MHZ motor before I bought the HOR motor. I wached the video of it cooling (moving air into a candle) and was please to see that it could move heat in such a way. I havn't posted videos and so that is why there aren't any. I wanted to let people out there know that you can get great motors that are very well priced and work better than most. The rest of what happened is just crap. the best thig I can say is try one!

[Cooper]

The funny thing about all this is you are bashing a motor that you haven't run. I run the Zonda that runs as if it has bigger motors in it and none of you have anything good to say. Youu all tell me what it can and can't do off of what the weight of a motor. Well I'm not buying one bit of it. Let me share a video that was post on cooling of these motors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwG5UItGktk
MHZpowerboat posted this. I bet you have something to say about MHZ using these motors as well. Oh I can't wait to here this!!!
EDIT: Where does all this stuff come from twisted? -I'm not asking physically where, mentally where? How and why do you keep trying to sell this b .s. ? Maby it's me but I don't see the correlation here.

[Cooper]

I would like to point out that I looked at the MHZ motor before I bought the HOR motor. I wached the video of it cooling (moving air into a candle) and was please to see that it could move heat in such a way. I havn't posted videos and so that is why there aren't any. I wanted to let people out there know that you can get great motors that are very well priced and work better than most. The rest of what happened is just crap. the best thig I can say is try one!
Move heat? Again, link yourself to some physics books, learn thermodynamics, then make some hypothesis.
Absolute most bottom line, period, these are not that great of motors. They arnt bad but not exceptional, that's makes them average. Again I say, comming from a guy that opened a PayPal claim against hor and then is trying to sell (yes by you saying how everyone should know how good they are-selling) his motors all on a forum that is graciously given you the place to do so, and not ever saying anything about ose!
You can't be giving people advise about speculation and links of what someone else did, that's why others are calling you out, and you are not recognizing it. I'm half tempted to mail you a lehner or a neu motor so you could actually use one and maby recognize the difference in a $100 motor and a $500 motor, but it just not gonna happen.

[dana]

EDIT: Where does all this stuff come from twisted? -I'm not asking physically where, mentally where? How and why do you keep trying to sell this b .s. ? Maby it's me but I don't see the correlation here.
:roflol::thumbup1:

[Jason4636]

The only thing I've learned from this thread is, I will NEVER use tp or sss motors lol
I like TP motors, I think there better than Leo's