Hpr 06 / 115 build

[Chrisg81983]

I am building a Hpr 115 that I had gotten from Manuel here on the forum I must say he was very helpfull and is a great person to deal with. I will try to make this thread as detailed as I can for everyone to see but if I leave something out please feel free to ask.

My setup will be :
2x lehner 2240/7 with 6 connection points to run delta or wye
2x cc 200 Hv or 2x cc 240 lv not sure what ones to use I have both new for this build
Savox 1251 mg low profile servo
Hpr drives
Hpr rudder
Hrp motor mounts
Hpr low profile servo mount
Hpr lipo tray system
Motor collets from modellbaupirate one one of the most precise made in my op

Tip ::: Upon ordering a Hpr hull you must request the air scoop, and windshield. It no longer comes standard with the hull / hulls. So they are being sent with my new order, but I don't think there is a charge for them. According to Manuel many people were not using them they were just getting wasted.

[Chrisg81983]

Here's the hull and hardware for now
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[Chrisg81983]

Today I got the drives mounted
For starters I made a exact template of the sponsons transom along with the hole for the drive in it's required spot for this I just used a 1/2 in marine grade ply it worked great and I added a 5 mm cf plate onto the transom of sponson here are the results

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[Chrisg81983]

Next the rudder was installed by making a template out of double sided tape. The same method Manuel used on his build here on OSE. It worked perfect, but the pics might show it's a tad off because it's stuck on with the double side tape just to take a pic for u guys to see. Oh and I polished the blade up real quick, but still needs a final polish when boat is completed.

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[Chrisg81983]

That's all I can do for now as I am waiting for the rest of the cf, and other parts. The motors should ship out any day now as well. If anyone has any questions / comments or info that I will need or that can help please let me know thanks for looking hope to get some feedback.


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[liteumup69]

looking good Chris, Will defiantly follow the build, Did you settle on a epoxy?

Paul

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks
I have been in touch with Manuel about the epoxy, he is getting me a bunch of other parts for the build so when he sends them he is going to send the epoxy that he uses for his builds. Any place I found that has true epoxy resin will not ship to my location.

[sigelitest]

does the stinger use square ended cable to hook up.

[Chrisg81983]

No mike they don't we went over this I need to use the locktite retaining glue ( 603/638). Now I know how well u listen to me while we are on the phone. (LOL)

[Chrisg81983]

Here u can see what I mean the 3/16 or 4.75mm flex gets glued into the prop-shaft. Some may solder them as well I have used both methods. I find the locktite is easier to do but just requires a little more time. I will cook in oven for 1hr on 60 degrees celsius rotating half way through.
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Here the top of drive is not mounted yet
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[nata2run]

All very nice Chris... Getting out the popcorn for this one. Just wait, it wont be long till your back with the HPR135 LOL :popcorn2:

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks
I know exactly what you are saying I wanted the 135 even before I got this one. Just figured I'd start here, but hey theres always room for one more.

[Remmie81]

Awesome Chris!

Regarding the propshaft and the flex here is how I do it (never lost a propshaft)
(maybe you know this already but could be helpfull to other people who read this)

Take rough sanding paper (eg grid 80) and roughen up the part of the flex that goes into the propshaft.
Then with grid 120 roughen up the innerside of the propshaft.
Clean the end of the flex and the innerside of propshaft with brake cleaner.

Take loctite 648 and fill the propshaft about 20% with it
Put Loctite 648 on the flex everywere were it will touch the propshaft.

Put the flex slowly into the propshaft while turning it to approx 1/3, this to make sure that any airbubbles can come out.
When you feel backpressure there is air trapped in the propshaft, keep turning untill the air comes out.
Now continue untill the flex reached the bottom of the propshaft.
Turn it for a few more times to make sure all air is out.

Now leave it standing on the propnut with flex to the sky for 24 hours and you are good to go.
Or like you said, put it in the oven for 1hr on 60 degrees celsius rotating half way through.

[nata2run]

Agree with the above, 648 is the way to go. I don't know how well solder works, but the cable will break before the glue. Use a flex saver or a collar around the cable just incase your collet lets go and you loose the whole drive with props and all.. Happened to me on my maiden... Really sucks waiting for new propshafts. I ordered 2 spares striaght up for the 138. Hmm only to discover the 2 were smaller and didn't fit a 3/16. Now have to wait for new ones.

[Prop-a-Gator]

Nice to see your build get going Chris. I never tire of following these. The polished blade is a nice touch. The sponson templates are a good idea. I wonder if it is something HPR could provide as standard if you buy their hull and drives - just something cheap, rigid and precise like laser cut ply. (just a hint if you're listening, Manuel ;))

[Chrisg81983]

@ Remmie thanks for the info, and how is your build coming along.

@ nata I as well ordered an extra set of cables, and prop shafts.

@ Gator the template I made was a huge help it's the best way that I thought of to ensure that both my drives are equal. The newer style drives from Hpr can be a little tricky to mount as you need to watch how low you mount them so the big brass nut on inside can thread on. It tool me a day before I grew the balls to drill this thing.

Thanks guys for the help and feedback
Chris

[nata2run]

Chris, you sound just like me building the 114. Your right it takes a bit of ball's to drill the holes. It was a natural thing for me to make all templates before drilling any holes as well. You should really make a template for everything your about to do. Just make one and mirror it, that way you know it's identical on both sides. I even made templates to cut out for the hydraulic, pull pull, pickups, everything.

Took me about a day as well, ball's grew so big I had to drill or they would burst LOL. This time it took 30 minutes.

[Chrisg81983]

Lol I hear that the worst part was the hole for the drives is 31/64 just about 1/2 inch. That's a big hole to mess up next is the hydraulics, but need to wait for Manuel to send them along with the rest of my parts. It took close to 4 hrs to get where I am at now. By the time I made all the templates along with testing, and fine tuning them it's probally more time than I kept track of.

[nata2run]

The way I see it, once drives are in that's the hull half way done "for me anyway" beyond that no fear "except on the water" edges of my little pond is concrete. It looks like you got the drives in ok so now it just lining up motors. The rudder should be easy enough. It's good you spend time thinking rather than just drilling left, right, center. Drill 1 hole and make it right the first time. Remember you can't make it too strong, use what ever you can to make it as strong as possible, even if you never crash your dealing with a lot of power,, and you don't want things/parts flying off. Plus of cause 40+k RPM, now hurry up LOL I'm running out of popcorn.

[Chrisg81983]

The rudder is complete I just need long enough bolts to go through the standoff because it's going to be filled with epoxy along with a cf plate on top but all the holes are done I am just waiting for Manuel to send the epoxy needed. To fill the standoff I was maybe going to use west systems epoxy.

[nata2run]

I think the west systems will do the job. Couldn't imagine only one type in the world will do the trick. :) plus, waiting is bad.

[liteumup69]

What will you use for stuffing tube, Teflon or no Teflon, I can't decide, Manuel use's Teflon, but a lot of guys here don't, I don't use it on my gas boats, but I don't care if a little water get's in them, These on the other hand :Praying, Also what prop combo are you going to try??
Paul

[Chrisg81983]

I will use Teflon as I find it always makes a smoother, quiter drive train. The key with Teflon is to have a very good quality cable, and Teflon. I am not saying that drive trains without Teflon don't work or are no good. I have many boats done both ways, and I like the Teflon better. I actually had maneul get me the brass, teflon, and cables as well.

[Chrisg81983]

Ok well I could not wait another 15 days for the rest of my parts along with the epoxy from Manuel. I ran out today and got the west systems resin, harder, and microfibers (a thickening agent). This way I could at least fill the rudder standoff with epoxy, and a cf plate. The only thing I need is the long 3mm bolts for attaching the rudder.
Here are some pics of the first pour. I filled about 3/4 of the way, and i am letting that get hard. I will then pour a light layer, and take the carbon plate and sit on top. Next I will fill the rest of the way leaving a very light layer of epoxy on top of the cf.

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[nata2run]

Very Nice,
This will definetly do the trick!!

[Chrisg81983]

I must say the west systems epoxy is very nice to work with


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[Remmie81]

Looking good!!
Im not familiar with West systems but I assume its an A-Brand. So you are good with using this!!!

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks remmie e west systems was originally bought just for a few minor things on this build. I must say I am very happy with how it works. I will be using an epoxy made by a german manufacturer R & G for the rest of the build.

[Remmie81]

Hi Chris,
Im familiar with R&G. I know thats good stuff.
Keep us updated ;-)

[Chrisg81983]

I will do, but I am at a stand still for a few as I am waiting for my final shipment of parts to come in.

[Chrisg81983]

I just added the cf plate to the standoff for rudder
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[Remmie81]

2 thumbsup!

[nata2run]

Looks good buddy. Planing to run my little mystic in the morning...

[Chrisg81983]

Kent u got a pm

[ManuelW]

Hello Guys,

just want to chime in this thread. So far everythings looks great and very well done - no need to correct something.

For the teflon-discussion: I'm a huge fan of Teflon and can't imagine running a fast electric boat without teflon liner. That doesn't mean that I think it won't work without teflon liner - lots of guys do it and it works - just I would not do it.

And for the templates: Well almost impossible as everybody likes a little different position. Some try to get the drives as close to the tunnel as possible - I'm not a huge fan of that idea. I prefer to do it like Chris did, with a gap around 4-5mm on the HPR 06. But I try to keep the gap to the bottom as small as possible, maybe even 1mm lower than what Chris did (this needs some grinding work on the inner brass nut for a good fit). So as you see there are several different ways, and all of them work. And so far no real comparison if it is just personal favour or really has influence on performance.

regards,
Manuel

[bracka69]

Looking really good Chris. I can't wait to get my HPR C5009, only problem is I'm not confident enough to build the boat myself so I will have to find someone to do this for me. Our maybe you or someone else reading this could recommend and point me in the direction to someone who would be willing to build the boat for me.

Joshua

[Chrisg81983]

Bracka69 thanks ! If you are getting the hull from Manuel I would speak to him about possibly building it. There are several people that I would recomend to build a boat. Let me know what happens.

[bracka69]

Thanks Chris I will do that.

Joshua

[Chrisg81983]

Hey guys I haven't got much done due to lack of parts. I did speak to lmt and motors will ship out early this week. Then Manuel said he is waiting for my parts from hanspeter, and he should ship next Monday. For now I did manage to get the hatch botls installed. At the moment there are four 4mm countersunk bolts, but will be adding two more to it. Where the bolts go throught the hatch I layer some 4 mm thick cf plate into the middle of the epoxy to add some strength. Here are some pictures of the progress.
Dnt mind the one big picture tap talk always does something crazy for me
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[nata2run]

Looking good Chris.... Should be a sweet boat when done.

[bracka69]

Looking good Chris, can't wait to see this thing on the water. Hopefully I will order my HPR C5009 in a few weeks.

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks guys
@ Kent did u get the emails I sent you
@ bracka69 that sounds awesome you will love the hulls there are real fun to work on

[nata2run]

Chris got all your emails, lots of stuff to sort out. Will email you in the morning.... Getting late here (in bed with the iPad LOL slowly dosing off)

[Chrisg81983]

Oh also some graphics that Kent is working on for me. All looks perfect, I just would like to change we're the sponsons are. here are some pics and one of the way it should look when complete in blue and silver. I am liking the silver.

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[bracka69]

WOW...... That looks awesome. I want to do either the Bud Light or JBS Racing for mine.

[Chrisg81983]

Chris got all your emails, lots of stuff to sort out. Will email you in the morning.... Getting late here (in bed with the iPad LOL slowly dosing off)Kent that's cool I forget the time zone thing.... I know all about the IPad routine I do it every night.

[liteumup69]

Looking good, What type of water pickups are you going to use

[Chrisg81983]

Not sure for water pickups most likely just the aluminum/brass tubing in bottom of sponson. I have used this method many times and it works great. What do u think ?

[ManuelW]

Hi Chris,

for the area with the hatch lock system. Will work as you did it but won't add mutch strength. I'd have cut out little triangles of CF or GFK sheet, glue them with some thickened epoxy into each corner and then put 1-2 layers of weave above it (same triangle shape but bigger in dimensions).

The RedBull graphics look pretty awesome.

Water Pickups: I'd also go with a brass/aluminium tube, something with 4mm OD and 3.2mm ID should work fine.

regards,
Manuel

[Chrisg81983]

Hey Manuel how are you ? Inlayed a 4 mm thick cf plate in the middle of the epoxy when pouring it should I go over it with some cf matting or something. Thanks form your help

[ManuelW]

Okay, when there is already some CF sheet inside it is fine. Just from the pictures I was guessing it was just pure epoxy which is not as good as it could be.

regards,
Manuel

[Chrisg81983]

Sorry about the misleading info I forgot to say that I added the cf plate. I did the hatch bolts a week or so ago and forgot to update the thread until today.

[liteumup69]

I would go with the brass tube as well, The square one's look ok, but cutting that small square hole out for them to fit. :blink: Round hole, a little epoxy.... call it done

[nata2run]

I cut out the square on my small cat "sorry Chris its now my small cat" used a dremel and then files. Took me forever but the result was WOW. I would do it again any day and now regret I didnt do it on my new cat. If you install a factory pickup, you know its going to work and give you maximum cooling.

[Chrisg81983]

Ok well while I am waiting for the rest of my parts I figured i would do my starting set of props.
Tonight I thinned, sharpened, detongued, balanced,and polished a set of counter rotating x447's.

well here they are

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[Chrisg81983]

Oh and thanks for all the tips with the cooling system guys. I have decided to go with somewhere around a 4 mm brass tube mounted on the ride pad. I rather drill a tiny round hole than a big square hole. Thats unless I can borrow a square drill bit from someone because I have yet to find one lol.

[nata2run]

Looks good Chris!! just that much closer to the 100mph mark.......LOL

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks Kent ! I just can't wait to actually really start building it.

[Chrisg81983]

Ok so I called yesterday to see what's going on with my order. He stated that it will most likely ship Monday or Tuesday the latest. They were just waiting on the rear ring supports for the motors to be powder coated. Then my final order from Manuel will ship soon after. He just needed to get another sled for the lipos trays made up as they ran out at the moment. Kent will be shipping the vinyl any day mow as it's all printed out. I must say he did a great job with it. Hopefully this build will really get moving soon. Sorry for the delay guys.

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[srislash]

That is going to look great Chris.

[keithbradley]

Awesome build and I love the silver red bull theme! I've wanted to do something red bull for a while but never got to it.
Looking forward to following along on this one:thumbup1:

[Chrisg81983]

I think it should look real good as well ( I hope I do the vinyl ok as I was always horrible with stickers / decals ) that's probably the hardest thing for me lol. Shawn did you start a build thread for your fc hull

[nata2run]

When times you will laugh how easy it is it's all about the approach you won't have any problems with the deck part

[srislash]

I think it should look real good as well ( I hope I do the vinyl ok as I was always horrible with stickers / decals ) that's probably the hardest thing for me lol. Shawn did you start a build thread for your fc hullYup, here it is Chris http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?30096-Shawn-s-Shocker

[Chrisg81983]

Hey guy so more of my parts got here yesterday just waiting on the lehners still. I also got my graphics from Kent and I must say they are amazing. Question for you guys that have ordered lehner before : how long did it take to receive them as its been 5 weeks for me and they still haven't shipped I just don't want my 45 day paypal coverage to expire and the motors not even be shipped yet. So any info will be great Thanks

[Chrisg81983]

Here are some pics I am really liking these motor collet's no need for a flat on the motor shaft it's pretty cool how they work

[liteumup69]

Modellbaupirat couplers, Nice!! I'm using the same on my build, They look great! Im in the same boat, Still waiting for motors and parts from Europe, At this pace the build won't get done till winter...

[Chrisg81983]

Liteumup what ru building and ru waiting for lehner as well
yes these couplers are the nicest and truest I ever saw

[nata2run]

Cool parts Chris! Glad to see the graphics got there ok, what you did there laying them flat is exactly what you are suppose to do. Keep them like that until you apply. Those couplers come in left and right by the way?

[Chrisg81983]

Kent I don't know if they come l & r as I just ordered two of the ones I needed. They are so true its amazing and very light

[nata2run]

Thay are aluminium, hopefully they don't throw blades LOL...... Sorry that's another chapter....

[ManuelW]

Hello Chris,

well there is no need for a coupler to be either L or R, they just don't care about the direction they are spinning. The only thing thats sad about these, that they don't come for 10mm motors shafts. So no chance to get this style for the LMT 30's series. But for almost everything else they are very fine and worth the money.

Are you also fine with the CF parts you got, especially the lipo mounts?

regards,
Manuel

[nata2run]

Those mounts look like mine LOL. or is it mine looking like them LOL....either way COOL.

@Manuel "When you say a coupler" I refer that to any. "sorry if I'm too precise here" All the times I have lost shafts, is due to right hand rotating giving up, coming loose, with the flex saver installed I dont loose shafts anymore but they still can come loose. Unless those Alu ones has a better grip due to softer material. I have on purpose used pliers to damage the thread on my couplers so it acts like a thread lock.

[Chrisg81983]

Hey Manuel I am very happy with the cf parts they are machined very nicely and the lipo mounts are just awesome. I can't wait to get this thing really going just need the motors as I have everything else. Manuel did you get to read that email I sent you by any chance Kent I never had a coupler come loose on any of my twin setups due to spinning right and left maybe I been lucky who knows

[ManuelW]

@ Kent:
I think the problem you really have is a little different as I already featured it as well. The problem are not the couplers, the problem is that its almost impossible to get L+R flex shafts which are absolutely identical. Take an exact gauge, in most cases the right hand one is always a little thinner in diameter. With many couplers no big deal if the gap is not too big but it can cause troubles.

So maybe check your shafts, it can really help to tin/silver solder just the tip of the shaft which comes into the coupler.

@ Chris: Sury, I read all of your emails. Will see what I can do.

regards,
Manuel

[nata2run]

Yep the shafts had been soldered, and that coursed a bit of smoke after slipping. Never mind it hasent happen alot, I just though Id ask :) since we are promoting all the nice gear.

[Chrisg81983]

@ Kent:I think the problem you really have is a little different as I already featured it as well. The problem are not the couplers, the problem is that its almost impossible to get L+R flex shafts which are absolutely identical. Take an exact gauge, in most cases the right hand one is always a little thinner in diameter. With many couplers no big deal if the gap is not too big but it can cause troubles.So maybe check your shafts, it can really help to tin/silver solder just the tip of the shaft which comes into the coupler.@ Chris: Sury, I read all of your emails. Will see what I can do.regards,Manuel

manuel I feel bad for you i wouldn't want to read all of my email as there are a lot of them lol but thank you I appreciate your help As always

Kent I always solder the last 3/4 of an inch of the flex that goes into the collet and never had one come loose the only way I lost a flex was due to breaking somewhere after the collet but that's it

[nata2run]

Now, I haven't told you guys that me and Murphy's law are best budies. SO, regardless what you guys do, I will always tell you it happend to me. Not because I'm doing something wrong "of cause" but because Murphy and I have a life lasting friendship!! LOL .....just ask me about that time...nah won't go there LOL

[Chrisg81983]

Um i hear that kent but I thought me and Murphy were best friends lol

[nata2run]

Well, you thought wrong then!
sorry buddy Murphy is mine LOL

[liteumup69]

Liteumup what ru building and ru waiting for lehner as well
yes these couplers are the nicest and truest I ever saw

Im building a HPR135, I have a build thread started, I wanted to run the Lehner 3040"s but I already have a pair of 2215 Nue's, They are old, so I did the trade in
with NEU and I'm waiting on the 2220"s to be made, I shipped out both of the 40-160"s schulze speed controls back to Germany to have more caps put on, So for know just waiting for parts, I think I will start to build my Syncron in the mean time...
Paul

[nata2run]

Sounds like a nice setup Paul..... 50"+ cats sure are something special

[Chrisg81983]

Paul sounds real cool are you going to start a build thread on i. I was real close to running neu's in my hpr but I was convinced by some to try the lehner. Soon I am going to buy a 135 as well probably for a winter build. Keep me/us posted with progres. Chris g

[Chrisg81983]

Yeah Kent make feel like the guy/ugly duckling here with the not so special cat ( meaning me ) lol 50 + cats run amazing

[srislash]

Yeah Kent make feel like the guy/ugly duckling here with the not so special cat ( meaning me ) lol 50 + cats run amazingDon't worry Chris,I'll stay in the lower ranks with ya brother.

[nata2run]

Yeah Kent make feel like the guy/ugly duckling here with the not so special cat ( meaning me ) lol 50 + cats run amazing
Chris, dont be sad. I'm sure you will join the "very fast" club :) then after a while you may skip the 50+ and go striaght into the 70+

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks shawn
Kent I had several 50 plus boats they are fun...... For some reason I always wanted a hpr 115

[nata2run]

Hehe, I hear ya with the HPR!! My 114 was great fun, but the 138 its just WOW I really wanted a HPR 135, but it turned out to cost a lot to ship and I got an awsome deal from MHZ. I also think its a bit easier to put together the MHZ hull/hardware (I could be wrong here). I would still would love a HPR 135 "just for the sport of it" maybe one day soon I will. Its a special community for those who own a HPR, so you have definetly made the right choice. Your also gonna have a "pimped" one by the way with all the trimmings!! not just any! Trust me, it wont disapoint!

[Chrisg81983]

Hpr or MHZ both are awesome hulls in my opinion

[jkr]

Well i can say one thing about HPR'S.
Take the hull and put it on a straight bench (from a mill or granite bench).
Then you will undertund what you bought.

[Chrisg81983]

Yeah I just got an email from lehner saying the status of my order has changed to shipped..... Once I get these motors that is the last of the parts needed to really get the build going. Thanks

[Chrisg81983]

Jkr I was amazed in how true this thing is that was the first thing I did with it

[jkr]

That is the main reason why they hit 90's out of the box!

[Chrisg81983]

Can't argue with that statement. The craftsmanship of my Hpr hull is the nicest and truest I ever saw / had I couldn't be happier. I would recomend one to anybody who is thinking of getting / starting a high end build. I think it is worth every penny and so glad I finally made it happen.

[jkr]

Yes.And you can go fast with a low end setup like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMK_ae-Q2Gw

[nata2run]

Hey Chris, any updates? waiting....waiting

[Chrisg81983]

Hey Kent what's up well I got the maiden in I must say it looked great for a boat with no motors. I just did a water test to make sure the drives didn't leak. I should have the lmt's any day now along wi the airscoop and a backup set of flexes from manuel. Kent I wanted to ask you someing being the vinyl is clear will it look ok over the white gelcoat. I know I originally said it was going on the metallic silver I just thought that since I had two sets I was going to put one on now before paint just to make it look decent. Once the boat is complete then redo the vinyl with the second set. I was just thinking of this because the paint might not be for a while as my painter is in the middle of moving, and I was supposed to have it ready last week for him and failed to do that.......I also haven't had much of my own boat building time due to a few boat building jobs for other people. I just finished up a geico, and almost done with a pb mystic 29 witch I must say is a cool little boat.

[nata2run]

Hey Chris, you want the good news? Ok, if printed on clear the colours will just look more natural, or as intended. You should still get a good result. To apply them you simply use a mister bottle filled with water and a couple of drops of dish washing detergent. If you spray both the boat and the sticker, you can slide the sticker into position. When happy just use a squeegee to get the water and bubbles out. Maybe use the middle part of the main sticker as a test before you get into it. You don't need that bit for anything anyway. Good luck and hope you get the parts soon....still waiting in this end as well.... By the way, the vinyl is pores, meaning the water will dry out and the sticker becomes permanent. You can still take it off

[Chrisg81983]

Ok sounds good thanks for the help let me know when u get those things I wanted from you

[nata2run]

I will let you know.. But for now I'm ....waiting waiting..."and."....waiting LOL

[Chrisg81983]

I know the feeling buddy it sucks for someone as impatient as myself . I have a hard time waiting a day and a half for my orders from Steve / ose

[Chrisg81983]

Ok ladies and gents I got a little more done tonight . I installed the rudder hydraulics and just went over placement of electronics along with Lipo trays. Here are some pics

[srislash]

Allright! there is one more thing done.Looks good Chris.I like the hydraulic arms.

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks Shawn I think they are a nice lil addition I am glad I bought them

Question does anybody have any advise on what the best way to seal where the cable for the hydraulics enter the hull ?
Thanks

[nata2run]

Well done Chris!! all you need now is the pimped stuff :) hehe

[nata2run]

Oh oh, when is the graphics going on?

[nata2run]

Thanks Shawn I think they are a nice lil addition I am glad I bought them

Question does anybody have any advise on what the best way to seal where the cable for the hydraulics enter the hull ?
ThanksYou should run the wires inside antenna tube if you can, and the antenna tube stuck to the hull. Can also Grease inside the tube so it all runs smooth. That way you definetly won't have any issues.

[Chrisg81983]

Tonight I did some playing for an hour or so but got one more thing done I installed the air scoop. I first put in place on top of hatch and drillers a small pilot hole into the scoop and through the top of hatch. I then threaded the scoop with a 4 mm tap enabling me to screw the scoop down along with gluing it. I don't think this thing is going anywhere without braking then hatchb first, but we will see what happens. I also started working on another set of hatch bolt done making a total of 6 now. I have another delay now as well I decided to go with 5mm flexes. I now need to get new larger brass, Teflon, clutches from mbp, and new prop shafts as well. Here are some pics of the progress

[Chrisg81983]

Well well look what I got today !!! A set of 2240/7's with matching jackets and tail rings along with 15 sets of lmt 6mm connectors

[srislash]

Well well look what I got today !!! A set of 2240/7's with matching jackets and tail rings along with 15 sets of lmt 6mm connectorsThere we go.Time to get her wet?Yet?

[Chrisg81983]

Well I could start but I need to wait a week or so as i decided not to use the 3/16 / 4.75 flexes. I just ordered new clutches from mbp i also got some l&r 5mm flex with suitable brass and teflon for the build. So that where i am at now i might be selling the clutches that i earlier posted in my build so if anyone is interested in them let me know

[Chrisg81983]

Ok well i did some laying out of the power system what do u think

[nata2run]

Well I could start but I need to wait a week or so as i decided not to use the 3/16 / 4.75 flexes. I just ordered new clutches from mbp i also got some l&r 5mm flex with suitable brass and teflon for the build. So that where i am at now i might be selling the clutches that i earlier posted in my build so if anyone is interested in them let me know

Yes me me... I want :)
By the way.. looking good. Dont you just love the feel of the Lehners LOL no loose ends or moving shaft. Just rock solid all the way through

[Chrisg81983]

K they are yours we will work out something for them don't worry. Yes the lehners are so precise it's feels good to finally have a set it's like your first new car lol.

[srislash]

Well I could start but I need to wait a week or so as i decided not to use the 3/16 / 4.75 flexes. I just ordered new clutches from mbp i also got some l&r 5mm flex with suitable brass and teflon for the build. So that where i am at now i might be selling the clutches that i earlier posted in my build so if anyone is interested in them let me knowOK guys,clutches?Mmm,this is new to me.Don't we have hard and soft start for this on our ESC's.

[srislash]

Ok well i did some laying out of the power system what do u thinkChris,have you checked out how I laid my Shocker ESC's out.Much shorter wires,just sayin...

[nata2run]

I'm sure Chris will sort out the wire thing, but those esc's need to come more towards rear anyway. Remember Chris, if you run the Lehners in Star mode you can run higher voltage and pull less amps. If you run in star you got about 1233kv so 8s could work running mid 30k rpm just a thought.

[Chrisg81983]

Shawn clutches is just a fancy word for collets i was planning on running tge esc's back a few more inches to minimize wire length. Shawn off the top of my head i cant remember what you did with your esc's. Kent the only thing with running a higher cell count is that my lipo trays will not work

[srislash]

8103081031

This is what I did with my ESC's Chris.

[nata2run]

Shawn clutches is just a fancy word for collets i was planning on running tge esc's back a few more inches to minimize wire length. Shawn off the top of my head i cant remember what you did with your esc's. Kent the only thing with running a higher cell count is that my lipo trays will not work

You can run 4s 6800-7200mah per side into 8s no? I'm sure that will fit?

[bracka69]

Looks really nice Chris.

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks a lot it's getting there I just bought a set of yge 155 navy controllers to replace the ices

[ManuelW]

Hey Chris,

don't get me wrong but I had a way better impression on the Ice 240 than the YGE 155 Navy. Why do you want to change them?

regards,
Manuel

[Chrisg81983]

Not really sure I figured I would try them out

[Chrisg81983]

Manuel do u think I should not use the yge's and stay with the castles I just want a setup that is reliable and will not give me problems down the road What didn't you like about the yge's Thanks for your advise

[srislash]

Logging,logging,logging,Chris.I don't know anything about the YGE's mind you.

[Chrisg81983]

I only had one other yge before andi loved it but who knows.... I have some great luck with things that other people don't have such good luck with. All I know is that I myself had several cc products go up in smoke for no reason one was even a flash fire on plug in, but I still use / like them. Oh and cc service is one of the set iever delt with. So add that into the equation and u have a winner if you ask me..

[nata2run]

Interesting, talking castle, I did like my 1717 in the 44" they did perform very well, never pushed them hard though but they had great potential I'm sure. As for my German gear... I love my Lehners that just goes with out saying... they are by far the best motors I ever had. Just love the look and feel about them. Haven't had any Neu so I can't speak for them, but im sure they are quite good as well. As for my Modellbau AS26.150 Evo ll ESC's, I have not tested under load yet, but I'm very happy with the throttle respons and operation. Infact the best I've seen so far. Lets just hope they work well under load! If the YGE's are anything like the AS, I'm sure they will do well. I think, (and this is in my "non expert" opinion) Just incase Manuel is watching :) that most German gear is well setup for 2 pole motors..... and with Lehner and Plettenberg in mind. :) Just my thoughts anyway.

[Anders.g]

Looking god Chris
Just let me know when u are reddy to ship this to Norway as well LoL

[Chrisg81983]

Anders it's yours if want it everything that I have has a price

[Anders.g]

It's a nice boat, but I'll think I have to wait with this, have to test the boat that I already have bought from u;)
But just out of curiosity how much for this one RTR?

[Mel279]

Hey chris

Nice HPR you've got there, with those red bull decals would be awesome and plus the lehner, 100mph would be no problem. My HPR will be coming soon but mine would be a low budget setup for the time being, and check out my decals arriving soon
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and it should look like this
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[Chrisg81983]

Mel thanks fir the mind words..... your HPR looks great as well. Hanspeters hulls are one of a kind, and a lot of fun to work on. Good luck with your boat keep us posted.

[Chrisg81983]

Ok guys I did some work on her last night but was just to lazy to post the progress. For starters I assembled a extra set of flexes that I wound be using ever they are the wrong size. Next I got stone road bike shifter cable jacket and will use it on the hydraulics for steering. I also workers on the windscreen ( man that was time consuming ) here are some up to date pics.

[Chrisg81983]

Here are the flexes and the rudder cable sleeve. The reason I can use the flexes is because I switched to 5mm flex so I needed to get brew collets, brass, and Teflon. I also need to bore the back of the drive 1 mm larger to up to 9mm to accept the larger brass.

[nata2run]

Very nice Chris, really look forward to see the finished result.

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks Kent me too....... last night I bored out the back of the drives from 8 to 9 mm it came out pretty good I will get some pictures up of the work real soon

[nata2run]

Pictures?? I would like to upgrade to 1/4 flex so curious to see how you managed that 1mm :)

[Chrisg81983]

Here you go it was fairly simple I did it with a standard drill press while I thought I was gonna need to use a lathe

[nata2run]

Ouch...dont think you can do that on the MHZ drives hmm, maybe I need the 1/4 version. 3/16 is ok, but we are putting a fair bit of power througn the drives. What is the benefit of the 5mm Chris.? 3/16 is 4.76 already.

[Chrisg81983]

Kent I have been talking to Manuel an he stated that he had some problems with standard 3/16 flex. He uses the 5mm in his own build along with his high performance builds. I figured it's much easier to address the issue now rather than later

[Chrisg81983]

Maybe Manuel can give more specific info on this matter thanks

[ManuelW]

Mhh the difference in diameter is not big (4.75 vs 5mm) but they are in my eyes better manufactured and have a little different winding and thicker strands. The biggest I've run on these was a set of PropShop 5517/3 at around 38.000rpm. I assume a standard 3/16" shaft will more look like a cork screw if you try that.

regards,
manuel

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks for the info Manuel

[nata2run]

Oh nice, in that case I might be able to use those, now where can I get em

[nata2run]

Chris, did you get them locally or Germany?

[Chrisg81983]

I believe the company who makes the ones I am getting is GUNDERT Manuel is getting them for me as I needed a few other parts as well so he is helping me out with everything that is needed to do the switch from 3/16 to 5mm and some extra things like a savox 1251mg and so on

[Chrisg81983]

Well she left for paint last night.... I really wanted to wait until the boat was completely built then strip back down, but things got delayed with the build. Plus I called my appointment date once with my painter so delaying it again was totaly out of the question. I should have it back in a week or so

[nata2run]

Oh YEAH!! now your talking Chris, Just cover her up while working and paint should be fine :) Atleast you can get those fancy decals tested :)

[Chrisg81983]

That's what I am saying I need to show off you fancy work I couldn't see putting them over the gloat the. Wasting the vinyl a month or so down the road when I decided to get it painted so I guess it all worked out but my plan is to cover the entire hull with painters tape once I get it back

[nata2run]

So silver as planned yes? Should look hot! I would love to do something in silver black and metallic purple. Definetly getting her silver painted.

[Chrisg81983]

Silver it is

[Hotrods]

Should look badda$$!!!

[Anders.g]

Bring out picture of this beauty!

[nata2run]

yep, waiting LOL

[nata2run]

Waiting........ LOL

[Chrisg81983]

Yeah I know me to smart ass lol I got the hull back from paint so that's a plus

[Chrisg81983]

Oh and I and forget the pic with Kent's graphics we don't want him to feel left out ( I just laid them on top of hull )

[srislash]

That is going to look so good Chris

[Chrisg81983]

I made a little black windshield for her as well

[nata2run]

OK OK, RESPECT!! that's going to look awsome, if its as fast as it looks will be WOW

[nata2run]

Now, get those stickers on! LOL

[nata2run]

Done yet?

[Chrisg81983]

I need my brass , Teflon , savor 1251mg servo, & motor collets along with a bunch of other parts. Manuel said that he should have them all by the end of the week.

[nata2run]

No excuse for not having stickers on LOL

[Chrisg81983]

Well I screwed the first set up

[nata2run]

grrr, you serious
???

[nata2run]

sort of like this Chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHmyhm7Ubo

[Chrisg81983]

I did the side fine but the deck was a son of a bi##h to do it came out good but not to my standards so I will redo it I will check out the vid now

[nata2run]

as long as you wet both the hull and the sticker with soapy water you should be fine. You can use a credit card with a soft cloth wrapped around to squeeze the water out.
wet the hull first, then spray the soap water as you peal off the big sticker. when all nice, leave it over night before you trim anything

[nata2run]

Oh, what you one on the side looks good :)....do you get the metallic look through the sticker?

[nata2run]

or lke this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Vh4hObhVI&feature=related but same deal

[nata2run]

if you cant get all bobbles out in one go, leave it for a bit and return. It wont tack till it starts to dry. so you may have to go over it a few times during the drying process.

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks so much Kent . Did u get my email?

[nata2run]

having a look now :)

[drwayne]

It was reported today in Australian Media that RC Boat hobbystores are closing their doors.
Reason given.. Kent has bought all their stock..
:lol:
W

[nata2run]

LOL yeah!

[Chrisg81983]

Well not much has changed guys I am still waiting for my final round of parts to ship. I did manage to complete the graphics.

[Chrisg81983]

Sorry about the pic being upside down ?????

[nata2run]

Nice work Chris!! unacceptable pic upside down LOL

[keithbradley]

Decals look great Chris.
How did you get it to hang from your ceiling in the last pic?

[Chrisg81983]

A lot of practice along with years of experience lol. Thanks Keith hope to have some more updates by the end of the week

[nata2run]

Yep, something I lack..... just wish mine could hang like that LOL.....

[Chrisg81983]

Lol

[nata2run]

Hey Chris, surely you'd be done by now? no?:hornets_nest:

[Chrisg81983]

I wish but lehner took 6 weeks to send my motors the first time and then I sent it back because one had a bad shaft now I have been waiting for another 4 weeks. I will probably be waiting 8 more weeks lol I have tried contacting him for the past two weeks with no luck I am ready to just flip out all this money and i have problems like this it's crazy because I never got a leopard that had a bad shaft and they are a fraction of the price. The 6mm connectors I bought from lehner was more that some of my leos. His answer to solving the wrongly turned shaft was to build it up with loctite 648. I was like you have to be kidding me rite. I am giving him until Monday to contact me if he doesn't I will be sending my whole order back to him and demand a full refund and just go with neu's or something. The sad thing was I was going to buy at least another 4 motors from him but I will probably never deal with him again after this nonsense.

[nata2run]

hmm....its sad that some of the best motors in the world "if not THE best" can course so much trouble. You would expect for the price (very high), it should be flawless! the sad thing is...the bigger you become the more you loose control. I have had 8 so far and all good :) once they work, THEY WORK!

[bracka69]

Sad to hear your having problems with the motors. If you havent sold the Lehner 2240/5's already you could drop those bad boys in for the time being.

[sigelitest]

:just-kidding:

[drwayne]

hey chris the build looks good.

have't heard from u in a while. think u will ever send that motor that i paid u for over 3 months ago.

wow, supreme patience. Id be 7 days after due date and sharpening the arrows !

[Chrisg81983]

Still love ya mike

[sigelitest]

same here been a rough 3 months with ex wife issues :hug1:

[liteumup69]

chris you have a PM

[rawsonreyes]

hi guys hope to see this build completed and a video posted,:sold::cool2: soon as i get the cash i will get one of these hull from hpr and do a build here.love the decals.hope someone start selling hpr stuff in usa it will be the best selling hull in the usa.

[Chrisg81983]

Liteumup you have a pm ...... rawsonreyes you will be happy with your purchase I can assure you that. The quality is out of this world.

[Chrisg81983]

Well got some work done. I also have the final shipment of parts that will be here any day now. It is going to be great to finally get this build finished.

[Chrisg81983]

The trays are installed with aquarium silicone

[srislash]

:banana:Allright,been awhile.:popcorn2:

[Chrisg81983]

I hear ya just needed to wait for my motor from lehner and the 5mm drive hardware that I decided to go with last minuet instead of the 3/16 so I had to order different brass, flex, teflon, clutches, & propshafts.

[Chrisg81983]

Ok guys its been a whike but I am trying to maiden her today all I need to do is go over the cooling system and add water outlets

[nata2run]

truely nice work Chris, good luck with the maiden

[bracka69]

Looks really good Chris. Nice clean build. Can't wait to see a video of this thing run.

[srislash]

Ok guys its been a whike but I am trying to maiden her today all I need to do is go over the cooling system and add water outletsThat looks great Chris.And best of luck to you on the maiden.

[Mel279]

hi Chris

I've just seen your maiden run video of your hpr, can't see much, too dark and not the right time also.

[nata2run]

hi Chris

I've just seen your maiden run video of your hpr, can't see much, too dark and not the right time also.
There is a newer video to look at...much better than maiden

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks guys and Mel it wasn't that dark in person the phone camera made it look twice as dark but question when is the rite time

[bracka69]

Nice videos Chris. Any idea of the speed your getting?

[drwayne]

Hey Chris.
Nice job in vids.
haha dont you just hate ppl who ask endless questions when you're focused elsewhere !?

DocW

[Mel279]

Thanks guys and Mel it wasn't that dark in person the phone camera made it look twice as dark but question when is the rite time

Oh I see, I thought your running it in late evening, it was the camera actually. What I mean the rite time, it should be run on a bright daylight where it can be view clearly between nice run though.

[Chrisg81983]

Hey doc tell me about it I edited most of the talking out as well. The worst part is the same ass was there today with tge same questions. ............. mel I get what u are saying now thanks for the complinents guys I must say this boat was a pleasure to build and even more fun to run. I ran it briefly on 7s today and wow what a difference. I might put my new 2240/7's tonight and run them on 6s tomorrow not sure tgough

[Chrisg81983]

Here a pic of my lake today rite after I finished running for the day

[drwayne]

Hey doc tell me about it I edited most of the talking out as well. The worst part is the same ass was there today with tge same questions. .............

You've a local fan club Well done. !
Answer his questions right and he may go online to buy his own. !
Start him small ( rescue boat ) and build up from there !
haha

DocW

[nata2run]

Looks like your camera can't keep up with the speed your doing. You do cover a lot of ground fast!!! maybe 95-100mph?

[srislash]

What a nice spot to run.Good shots.

[Chrisg81983]

Kent I was thinking the same thing the boat looked faster on the 6s run than the vid of 7s I was just looking at the videos comparing them. I sure as hell can tell BBC u one thing when u watch it in person its crazy fast. Its a combination of trying to drive while recording and a cheep phone camera. I will take a good camera tomorrow so i can get some good video footage

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks shawn...hows your build coming along ?

[srislash]

Thanks shawn...hows your build coming along ?It's coming along good,I got a three day weekend going so by Monday should be happy and feel accomplished.Winter hasn't even started yet.I may be in trouble.

[Chrisg81983]

i was looking at your thread today shawn it looks great.
anyways got some runtime in today heres a link to my run with a nice crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9ywvstiFLA&list=UUgfPW2mkNptA_ChZWeLpUgg&index=2&feature=plcp

[Chrisg81983]

heres another run on 6s from today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_y7wnhMTbs&list=UUgfPW2mkNptA_ChZWeLpUgg&index=1&feature=plcp

[srislash]

Time to get a little boat for your gaffer there Chris. Looks good.I like it when the crashes work out.I had one with the Shocker that went 360 end over end and back on the pads on the front strait.The one time I didn't have the TX cam on.

[Chrisg81983]

Hey guys well I got some new lipos for the hpr. I ended up going with the dinogy packs that mark here on ose is selling. I got two of each 2, 3, 4 s packs all 5000 mah. I couldn't be happier with them as they are probably the best packs I ever ran. I uploaded some vids on youtube of todays run.

[srislash]

Hey Chris,is that the props tossing the back end out of the water?I'm liking my Dinogy's as well.

Way to go,building the boating team I see.lol

[Chrisg81983]

Hey shawn with this thing the slight bit of too much rudder in a turn and she spins out real easily its real finicky like that

[srislash]

Hey shawn with this thing the slight bit of too much rudder in a turn and she spins out real easily its real finicky like thatCan you "tuck" the rudder a bit?It will settle the transom.Was the whiz-bang trick for the Shocker.

[Chrisg81983]

Yup I did a little once but still need a lil more I got it working great on 5&6 s but now on 7s with more powerful packs she lifts more in the ass plus I changed props. I will have the time over the weekend to really dial her in

[nata2run]

She is really nice Chris.... Looks over 100mph I think you'll be surprised if you GPS

[bracka69]

Really nice Chris. That thing is moving man!!! Congrats again on a nice build.

[Chrisg81983]

Hey thanks guys ..... I couldnt be happier with this build / boat, and I just want to thank everyone for their help and input with the build.

[srislash]

She is really nice Chris.... Looks over 100mph I think you'll be surprised if you GPS
:iagree:

[MrUnlimited]

Nice running boat Chris!

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks guys I am charging some packs now so I can eat out there I took of the past two days to make a four day weekend so I can get some nice boating time in. Today I will try to run a gps on the outside of hull as it will not work inside the hull also does anyone know how a twin setup will work with a eagle tree only on one motor ? I assume it will take some power from the motor it's hooked up to but the question is how much power will it really rob from that one motor

[srislash]

Advice huh,we can start with :DON'T PUT A GPS OUTSIDE THE HULL(go ahead, ask). Unless you mean a Eagle tree unit as I do I just conformal coat one and run it outside.I have not noticed any discernable power losses.There is enough fighting for power from side to side in L or R corners that I wouldn't worry about a little logging.

[srislash]

Any update Chris or are you out running that beast as I type?

[Chrisg81983]

Hey shawn I ran her yesterday but the water was way too rough for any high speed passes but I managed to pull just over 85 not even opened up. I am going to stop by the lake in a little in hope its much better today than yesterday. I did have a good blow over yesterday.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BITTmE3rLfE on 6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSwV4hnPsgc&sns=em on 7s

[srislash]

Wow that was a good one,all is well I take it.So what you got set up for an outside GPS? Hopefully not a personal one with duct tape.

[Chrisg81983]

I tried the et first but it takes too long to register inside the hull at speeds in excess of 85 it covers way to much distance for the et to catch up so then tried a garmin etrex in and out. Inside it doesn't wrk at all on the outside it wrks fine. Do you think if I spray the et gps unit with liquid ekectrical tape or some 3m potting compound it will b fine on outside of hull

[srislash]

I used MG Chemicals Silicone Conformal Coating.I didn't even pull the heat shrink off of it.It has been under water numerous times and is fine.I just mount it with Parma Pro Servo Tape. I would think the liquid tape should be fine(I use it on everything else).I just went with the conformal because it is clear for the transponder on the unit.On my Shocker I just ground a slot for the wire in the hatch so the wire wouldn't get cut.That CF is tough. Boy I wish the rain would stop,I wanna get that dang boat back.

[Chrisg81983]

Yeah I think that's what I am going to do, and I hope you get your shocker back as well..... Anyways today I ran the hpr with the new set of yge 155 navy controllers instead of the AS26-150 bl's . I must say I was very pleased with them the only thing is I needed to change the layout a little bit. The esc's had to go on top of tunnel instead of being on the side of hull. Below are some pics.

[Chrisg81983]

Here is the new layout

[srislash]

Actually looks like a fairly full hull there Chris.I have hunted through you're thread but no good pic of the steering rods. I am having an issue.

[Chrisg81983]

What do u need

[srislash]

I fear my cables are just too wide and that the angles are not going to work.Maybe overthinking. Let me finish assembly here and I'll post a pic in my thread.

[Chrisg81983]

Ok let me know if you need more pics

[srislash]

You have a much straighter shot than mine.Unless I make a major change(it isn't painted yet)

[Chrisg81983]

Yes its pretty straight the spread is 2.75 inches

[ManuelW]

Hi Chris,

great to see what you made out of the nice hull and all the parts. By the way are you satisfied with the Nokon PTFE liners for the hydraulics which I sent you?

regards,
Manuel

[Chrisg81983]

Thanks manuel and yes the ptfe liner is a perfect fit it seals the linkage cable so well I didnt even need to seal the end off. It wont leak a drop

[dasboata]

Chris sounds like you can go bigger on the props !

[Chrisg81983]

Hey chris whats up man I need some magic from u......anyway I ran today n got 83.3 on 6s and 94.7 on 7s soon I will hit 100 I hope

[dasboata]

I have the set of 457 sitting here I will do them up for you for next weekend !!!