Turnigy 4s 40c 5000

[ENCORE MAN]

I ordered these on Sunday from the US warehouse and they arrived in Florida today. Pretty good I would say. Now for the bad. Look at the pictures, one battery is perfect and the other is puffed up 6mm right out of the box. I know better than to try and return it. I guess ther will be no P MONO running this Sunday. BG

6745567456674576745867459

[Old Sloppy]

what caused the puffing?

[mohsb]

I just received two of the same batteries this week from Kintec racing with the exact same problem.

[Drax21]

Sorry to hear this. Have you checked the voltage of the cells in the puffed pack?

[ENCORE MAN]

what caused the puffing?

no quality control ?????????????????????????????????? Bg

[pmdevlin]

that really is total rubbish, whoever put them in the package should be sacked!! total lack of quality control and a rip off, it really infuriates me that we, the rc modellers, spend a fortune on very cheaply manufactured products and with "most" vendors have zero warranty or guarantees.

Living in UK, I now really try to only deal with UK vendors, so then return postage is ok in event of a problem, but we have very few vendors selling the likes of turnigy products, and those that do have a big marked up price on things like batteries. I returned a 3cell 5000 mah to hobbyking some time ago as a pack arrived with a shorted cell, it took 3 months to battle with them to get a replacement, I ended up pm'ing all hobbyking staff that used the HK forum and I think it was sending multiple emails EVERY day for 4 weeks that eventually shamed them into doing the right thing, it almost cost me in postage to return the pack the value of another pack! I vowed never to use them again, but need some more packs now!!

[ENCORE MAN]

Sorry to hear this. Have you checked the voltage of the cells in the puffed pack?

Tim, here are the cell readings. BG

[Drax21]

Tim, here are the cell readings. BG

Will you be using it as a 3 cell? I take that the 4.04 cell has very high internal resistance and that is why it has puffed and is only at 4.04.

[ENCORE MAN]

Ticket #149999: Defective TURNIGY 4S 5000 40C BATTERY








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BRIAN, Jan-07 10:25 (HKT):
Hi, I received my Turnigy 4s 5000 40c batteries. One battery was perfect and the other is defective. The battery arrived puffed and is unusable and unsatisfactory as a new item. I have included pictures of the batteries and cell count rating. The good battery reads a perfect 4.20 4.20 4.20 4.20. The faulty battery readings are in the photograph. Please send me a replacement battery ASAP. Thanks in advance for this, Your customer looking for help, Brian Giardelli.

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Tim, I am a fighter. This is my ticket for HK to replace it. We will see what happens. BG

[mohsb]

6756367565Here are pictures of the one I received.

[Gimp]

6756367565Here are pictures of the one I received.

WOW!
Funny the bag says ok lol

[Mattwarner]

that really is total rubbish, whoever put them in the package should be sacked!! total lack of quality control and a rip off, it really infuriates me that we, the rc modellers, spend a fortune on very cheaply manufactured products and with "most" vendors have zero warranty or guarantees.

Living in UK, I now really try to only deal with UK vendors, so then return postage is ok in event of a problem, but we have very few vendors selling the likes of turnigy products, and those that do have a big marked up price on things like batteries. I returned a 3cell 5000 mah to hobbyking some time ago as a pack arrived with a shorted cell, it took 3 months to battle with them to get a replacement, I ended up pm'ing all hobbyking staff that used the HK forum and I think it was sending multiple emails EVERY day for 4 weeks that eventually shamed them into doing the right thing, it almost cost me in postage to return the pack the value of another pack! I vowed never to use them again, but need some more packs now!!

Check out performancemodels.co.uk, they are new and Mike is great to deal with, my Turnigy packs arrived next day and are perfect

[jamespl]

I've just had the same thing. Only one of the cells is puffed. It says on hobbykings site that if you are not prepared to return a damaged pack for safety reasons then they will not honour any warranty. What a cop out. Surely no one would send a puffed pack through the post!

[Drax21]

Check out performancemodels.co.uk, they are new and Mike is great to deal with, my Turnigy packs arrived next day and are perfect

I didn't know there was a decent UK site thanks.

[Drax21]

Brian all the best with HK. Fight to the death.

[Gimp]

I have 8 of these coming (30-40C version) in next week on the 12th from the US warehouse. At this rate I'll have 4 bad packs!!!!!!!!!!

[Drax21]

I done a test today between a standard Turnigy and a WinMax battery. The Turnigy fell at the first hurdle. Charging. The balance plug has a bad connector on it and it was sliding on and off the pins..... Took ages to charge too 50mins at 7amps. Winmax battery connected perfectly and charged at 7amps in 15mins!! The performance of the 2 batteries was about the same but the quality control is definitely better on the WinMax.

[pmdevlin]

Check out performancemodels.co.uk, they are new and Mike is great to deal with, my Turnigy packs arrived next day and are perfect

nice link! an hour or so from me, so I might also be able to save on postage!

[Mattwarner]

nice link! an hour or so from me, so I might also be able to save on postage!

Free postage over £100 which I always find dangerous!! Drax where did you get the winmax ones from? Definitely a lack of UK suppliers.

[Drax21]

Free postage over £100 which I always find dangerous!! Drax where did you get the winmax ones from? Definitely a lack of UK suppliers.

I was gonna buy the WinMax battery off of ebay but I decided to type it in the internet instead. Went onto Oople forum and someone had 1 for sale. Paid £45 though. basically what you would pay if you ordered from ebay. The battery surprised me quite a bit. I have a thread about this Winmax battery called WinMax Any good? I will be writing up my test results later comparing them to other batts!

[sailr]

I have given up totally on all Hobbyking batteries. Too many DOA, puffed on arrival, short lifespan, dead cells, etc. The GensAce from Hobbypartz have proven for me to be far superior with similar pricing and cheaper shipping.

I have just order two batts from a new company, www.haiyinstore.com . Good prices and specs and best yet they are here in the U.S.A, so easy choice for me. Hope they work out well.

[Drax21]

I have given up totally on all Hobbyking batteries. Too many DOA, puffed on arrival, short lifespan, dead cells, etc. The GensAce from Hobbypartz have proven for me to be far superior with similar pricing and cheaper shipping.

I have just order two batts from a new company, www.haiyinstore.com . Good prices and specs and best yet they are here in the U.S.A, so easy choice for me. Hope they work out well.

I would love to buy from Hobbypartz Gen Ace batteries but they have no system to mark down the costs which equals customs fee and the shipping is high to me. Anyway I have had 6 packs of batteries from HK. First 2 were perfect. 2nd lot had bad balance connector on 1, and 3rd lot (Nanos) are also perfect. I'm waiting for the Euro store to open for Haiyin and I think I will go to the factory if I get chance. At the moment I think I have enough packs to see me through the winter though. I just got a Hyperion 4s 4200 45c Brand New on ebay for $70 including P+P. :thumbup:

[Boaterguy]

only problem with that haiyin place is the highest they go in the 5000 packs is 30C.
just picked up 4 new zippies and a rhino, the zippies are yet to be tested (need connectors from Ben) but the rhino wouldn't charge after running for about 5 mins, still trying to diagnose.

[iamandrew]

No wonder you've been having problems if your charging at 7 amps, its User error not the batteries.

[Drax21]

No wonder you've been having problems if your charging at 7 amps, its User error not the batteries.

The Turnigy batteries can be charged at 2c 2x5=10amps. 7amps no problem.

[ENCORE MAN]

only problem with that haiyin place is the highest they go in the 5000 packs is 30C.
just picked up 4 new zippies and a rhino, the zippies are yet to be tested (need connectors from Ben) but the rhino wouldn't charge after running for about 5 mins, still trying to diagnose.
Not quite true, I have ordered 4s 5000 40c batteries from Haiyin for 56 dollars each....BG

[Drax21]

Not quite true, I have ordered 4s 5000 40c batteries from Haiyin for 56 dollars each....BG

Yes I too have seen the 40c. That would be the one I would go for. Its funny the 30c and 40c have different charge ratings.

[desmobob]

I hate to see these Turnigy horror stories... I guess I've been lucky.

I've purchased seven 3S 2200mah and three 3s 1500mah Turnigy and Zippy batteries for my airplanes and helis, plus six 2S 5000mah 40C and two 3s 5000mah 40C Zippy batteries for my boat from HK, and they've all been perfect. I've used the 2200mah and 1500mah batteries a lot over two seasons of flying and they're all holding up very well. I'd guess I have somewhere around 30 cycles on the 2S 5000mah batteries with no problems.

Maybe I better quit while I'm ahead? From all the posts I've read on batteries here and elsewhere, I plan to buy Gens Ace LiPos in the future.


Take it easy,
desmobob

[iamandrew]

Dood i think your information is wrong, i really think you should charge at 2 amps and see if you ever have any problems again


what are you trying to charge them with? because your looking at more than 100W of draw

[Gimp]

Dood i think your information is wrong, i really think you should charge at 2 amps and see if you ever have any problems again

what are you trying to charge them with? because your looking at more than 100W of draw

Charging a 5000mah battery at 2 amps would take almost 2 1/2 hours :thumbdown:

[iamandrew]

well ive had 7 Turnigy packs, and no issues with any of them at all


I really think you should spend 2 minutes and put in "Charge Lipo at High C 2011" into google and check out some of the sites.
Its really rare to find anyone who has had issues with their batteries if they are using lower C ratings...

[Drax21]

Dood i think your information is wrong, i really think you should charge at 2 amps and see if you ever have any problems again


what are you trying to charge them with? because your looking at more than 100W of draw

My information is right. The battery states 2c on the back. Simple math. 1c - 5000mah= 5amps 2c-5000mah=10amps 7amps is fine.

[iamandrew]

Heres more simple math
How Many dead packs have you had?

me = 0

[Drax21]

Heres more simple math
How Many dead packs have you had?

me = 0

I have only had a bad balance lead. 0 faulty or dead packs.

[siberianhusky]

Simple, if they arrive ok they will probably be ok, the problem is the number that show up DOA and HK doesn't really like doing much about it. Thats what this thread started as, packs arriving DOA.
I won't buy more, no QC and poor customer service. Other things I will buy from there that are pretty hard for them to screw up. Just not anything electronic for me. With the economy I just can't take the chance of losing out on a pack or lack of warranty on an esc. I'll buy from people who will stand behind their product even if it costs me a couple more bucks upfront. Usually cheaper in the long run anyway.
RClipos went out of their way to order me a single pack from Korea to match one they no longer stocked. Try that with HK! Customer service wins out for me every time.

[ENCORE MAN]

As expected the saga continues with HK. Rachel wants another picture of dimple in the puffed battery. I already sent pictures and cell readings. I am in for the long haul, a benefit of being retired I assume. BG

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Rachel, Jan-09 16:03 (HKT):
Hi BRIAN ,
Thanks for contacting the HobbyKing Support Team.

We are sorry to learn that one battery is puffed from your order#2003736715.

Please provide photos to show the shape of battery (please push a finger on the front side of the puffed battery to show the "balloon" effects),

We will then pass to warranty department for review and advice.

Thanks for emailing support.
If you have any other questions, please let me know.
Regards.
Rachel
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[sailr]

Yep, me too. Spend a little more time paying attention on the site! Brian, let us know how the Haiyins work out for you! I have one of the 4S 5000 40C's on order too but I will be testing it in an airplane. Not nearly the challenge for the battery as a boat would be.


Not quite true, I have ordered 4s 5000 40c batteries from Haiyin for 56 dollars each....BG

[sailr]

HK is like the HMO's, I think they pride themselves and probably pay a bonus to anyone denying a claim. You want cheap? You take your chances. Personally, I'd rather pay more and not wonder if the pack will arrive in working order or not puff, or not explode, or not last only a few cycles, etc. The new Haiyin batteries may be the answer. Too early to tell.


As expected the saga continues with HK. Rachel wants another picture of dimple in the puffed battery. I already sent pictures and cell readings. I am in for the long haul, a benefit of being retired I assume. BG

Your request (#149999) has been updated.

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Rachel, Jan-09 16:03 (HKT):
Hi BRIAN ,
Thanks for contacting the HobbyKing Support Team.

We are sorry to learn that one battery is puffed from your order#2003736715.

Please provide photos to show the shape of battery (please push a finger on the front side of the puffed battery to show the "balloon" effects),

We will then pass to warranty department for review and advice.

Thanks for emailing support.
If you have any other questions, please let me know.
Regards.
Rachel
HobbyKing Support Team
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[Gimp]

My 8 4s 4000mah 30-40C packs came in today. One has a bad cell but no puffs.
Contacted HK, hopefully get it resolved by the end of the week :olleyes:

[jamespl]

My 8 4s 4000mah 30-40C packs came in today. One has a bad cell but no puffs.
Contacted HK, hopefully get it resolved by the end of the week :olleyes:
I wouldn't hold your breath. I contacted HK about mine on sat and still haven't heard anything. I'm not going to pursue it because I'm not prepared to send a puffed pack back to china from the UK. Imagine if it decided to go bang on a plane!

[Gimp]

I put it on the charger real quick and the voltage jumped to 2.97 (from 1.67) in a matter of seconds. Do I take the chance and try charging it?

[Drax21]

I put it on the charger real quick and the voltage jumped to 2.97 (from 1.67) in a matter of seconds. Do I take the chance and try charging it?

I have a 1xTurnigy pack 4s 5000mah 30-40c ran 6 times always worked great but I think it could do with a new balance plug, seems to come on and off the pins too easy. Always balanced charged and stored. Anyone in the UK after a pack that definitely works? Gimp, I would try to balance charge it, sometimes better done at low amps.

Edit-Nothing wrong with the balance plug. Its my 4s charge board....

[Gimp]

I have a 1xTurnigy pack 4s 5000mah 30-40c ran 6 times always worked great but I think it could do with a new balance plug, seems to come on and off the pins too easy. Always balanced charged and stored. Anyone in the UK after a pack that definitely works? Gimp, I would try to balance charge it, sometimes better done at low amps.

Will do, I think that's what I did for a few seconds. I'll give it a try and monitor it for the next few days to see if it drops any.

[Mattwarner]

I have a 1xTurnigy pack 4s 5000mah 30-40c ran 6 times always worked great but I think it could do with a new balance plug, seems to come on and off the pins too easy. Always balanced charged and stored. Anyone in the UK after a pack that definitely works? Gimp, I would try to balance charge it, sometimes better done at low amps.

You have PM!

[Gimp]

Just put it on balance charge mode and it was up to 3.20v in a few seconds. I have a feeling the cell may have just been shorted during assembly (read online that they put these packs together so fast that they occasionally short a cell).

I'll see how it holds up for the next few days.

[Drax21]

You have PM!
PM replied.

[JimClark]

So do you think that somewhere in the shipping of these they went by plane and maybe the air pressure made the pack puff?
Just a thought

[Boaterguy]

one would assume they are flown.

[pmdevlin]

for my own sanity check, using an imax B5, what is the recommended charging rate for say 5000mah 30c cells? Ive always charged them (and other lipos) just under the mah, so the 5000mah get charged at 4.8amps, is that totally wrong?

thanks

[ENCORE MAN]

Yep, me too. Spend a little more time paying attention on the site! Brian, let us know how the Haiyins work out for you! I have one of the 4S 5000 40C's on order too but I will be testing it in an airplane. Not nearly the challenge for the battery as a boat would be.

Haiyins arrived today, five days after ordering. They look perfect. Every single cell was at 3.84 volts........I will keep you informed BG

[Drax21]

for my own sanity check, using an imax B5, what is the recommended charging rate for say 5000mah 30c cells? Ive always charged them (and other lipos) just under the mah, so the 5000mah get charged at 4.8amps, is that totally wrong?

thanks

The Turnigy batteries can be charged at 2c. Which is 10amps. 1c and lower is recommended to keep the cells better balanced but if you are ever in a hurry and you have a 10amp charger that would also be fine but cell balance may be a little out.

[Drax21]

Haiyins arrived today, five days after ordering. They look perfect. Every single cell was at 3.84 volts........I will keep you informed BG

That is good new Brian. See if you can win a few races with them!

[Checkmateguy01]

Hate reading these horror stories! I have 2 Turnigy 2S 40c 5000mah lipos that will be at my door today that i ordered from Kintec earlier this week. This is my first jump into the lipo game, i plan to buy at least one more set of 2S's and probably 1 3S pack. A couple guy's at my work run Turnigy's from HK religiously in their race trucks, they swear by them, which is partly why i bought them. I dunno, i guess i'll see if mine show up OK or not!

[sailr]

I too received my Haiyin packs a few days ago. Very impressive. They are very well made with nicely squared edges and very compact shrink wrapping. I haven't had a chance to use yet but they arrived fully balanced in storage mode at 3.84V per cell.




Haiyins arrived today, five days after ordering. They look perfect. Every single cell was at 3.84 volts........I will keep you informed BG

[JimClark]

Who sells the Haiyin's?

[sailr]

www.haiyinstore.com

[ENCORE MAN]

HK has replied and wants me to pay for return shipping. BG



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Rachel, I see you have requested I return this defective battery and PAY FOR SHIPPING.. I find your policy in this matter to be quite unfair. I am a platinum member and should have some credibility with your company. I have proved with out a shadow of doubt by picture evidence sent to you that your product purchased by me was clearly defective. By reading many reports on the internet, I have concluded your firm has sent many defective batteries to your loyal customers in the past few weeks. I wish you would encourage your superiors to reconsider this insane return policy for defective batteries. Tower Hobbies could be your model in dealing with these situations. Tower , unlike your firm, does not even ask for photo evidence to prove merchandise to be defective where a gold member (platinum to you) request a replacement. I have no interest in defrauding HK, I just want to be treated fairly. I have proved the battery to be defective and urge you to send a relpacement. Please reply. Thanks in advance, Brian Giardelli.







From: Rachel <notifications-support@hobbyking.zendesk.com>
To: BRIAN <giardellib@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:35:09 PM
Subject: [HobbyKing Support Centre] Re: CL-Defective TURNIGY 4S 5000 40C BATTERY 2003736715



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Ticket #149999: CL-Defective TURNIGY 4S 5000 40C BATTERY 2003736715








Your request (#149999) has been deemed solved.

[Drax21]

HK has replied and wants me to pay for return shipping. BG



Message flagged

Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:25:28 AM

Message body





Rachel, I see you have requested I return this defective battery and PAY FOR SHIPPING.. I find your policy in this matter to be quite unfair. I am a platinum member and should have some credibility with your company. I have proved with out a shadow of doubt by picture evidence sent to you that your product purchased by me was clearly defective. By reading many reports on the internet, I have concluded your firm has sent many defective batteries to your loyal customers in the past few weeks. I wish you would encourage your superiors to reconsider this insane return policy for defective batteries. Tower Hobbies could be your model in dealing with these situations. Tower , unlike your firm, does not even ask for photo evidence to prove merchandise to be defective where a gold member (platinum to you) request a replacement. I have no interest in defrauding HK, I just want to be treated fairly. I have proved the battery to be defective and urge you to send a relpacement. Please reply. Thanks in advance, Brian Giardelli.







From: Rachel <notifications-support@hobbyking.zendesk.com>
To: BRIAN <giardellib@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:35:09 PM
Subject: [HobbyKing Support Centre] Re: CL-Defective TURNIGY 4S 5000 40C BATTERY 2003736715



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Ticket #149999: CL-Defective TURNIGY 4S 5000 40C BATTERY 2003736715








Your request (#149999) has been deemed solved.

I liked that reply Brian, well thought out. What I don't get is when the deem your case solved:frusty:.... They haven't sent you a new one so it's not solved.....

I have recently tested Winmax batteries. I'm getting very low resistance, cells balancing perfectly after 3 cycles, MAH seems lower than stated but that is the only bad point I have on these batteries. They have better quality balance wires and pack gives slightly better performance than a similar turnigy battery.

[LiPo Power]

ENCORE MAN
Good luck with morons from Hobby King!!!
Hopefully they will help you.
I am trying to get my esc back as warranty replacement for over 2 years.
They are out of their mind, scammers simply put.
Shipping out, if in stoc, is the only process they are aware of... and some of them can say few words in english...
ONE Dola, One dola....

[ENCORE MAN]

The final chapter, Rachel at HK has credited my account $49.99 and I do not have to return the battery this time (only). HALLELUIA, a victory for the small guy. BG

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Thank you Rachel, you are the greatest. BG







From: Rachel <notifications-support@hobbyking.zendesk.com>
To: BRIAN <giardellib@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:57:17 AM
Subject: [HobbyKing Support Centre] Re: Z-CL-Defective TURNIGY 4S 5000 40C BATTERY 2003736715



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Your request (#149999) has been deemed solved.

To review, comment and reopen the request, please visit www.HobbyKing.com


Rachel, Jan-17 15:57 (HKT):
Hi Brian,
Thanks for contacting the HobbyKing Support Team.

We understand your concern, please kindly note that we advise customer to send back the item, hence we have to take the battery to our supplier to claim for the replacement for you. We consider that you are a royal customer of us, we would like to make an exception and credit the item cost $49.99 to your hobbyking account. Please kindly check your bonus points for updates later.

In the future, you are kindly advised to follow

[Drax21]

Thank you Rachel, you are the greatest. BG

[/B]

Congratulations Brian. Getting money back from HK is not an easy task but one I have done a few times . Love your reply to Rachel:lol:

[ENCORE MAN]

Haiyins arrived today, five days after ordering. They look perfect. Every single cell was at 3.84 volts........I will keep you informed BG

I have three cycles on my new HAIYIN 5000 4S 40c. Good results in my P MONO, seem to have lots of power. No puffing whatsoever, appear perfectly square. They balance at 420 420 420 419 volts on cheap Thunder Ace 6 charger. Time will tell if they are worth buying again. TTYL BG

[Brushless55]

I ordered these on Sunday from the US warehouse and they arrived in Florida today. Pretty good I would say. Now for the bad. Look at the pictures, one battery is perfect and the other is puffed up 6mm right out of the box. I know better than to try and return it. I guess ther will be no P MONO running this Sunday. BG

6745567456674576745867459


Tim, here are the cell readings. BG

The question I see is the picture shows a used battery? :confused1:
out of the box they should read 3.85v per cell... 4.2v is fully charged

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[ENCORE MAN]

Well Brushless, you are absolutely right. The "good battery" read 3.85, 3.89, 3.85 and 3.87 volts. This battery, shipped to me as new, had been charged, puffed up and returned to HK who then turned around and sent it to me as new. The Haiyins are working well and will be my battery of purchase in the future. BG

[Brushless55]

Well Brushless, you are absolutely right. The "good battery" read 3.85, 3.89, 3.85 and 3.87 volts. This battery, shipped to me as new, had been charged, puffed up and returned to HK who then turned around and sent it to me as new. . BG

I know I'm right...
up till now, or after I made a comment did you mention this battery to be used???
take a look below..


Ticket #149999: Defective TURNIGY 4S 5000 40C BATTERY

Your request (#149999) has been received, and is being reviewed by our support staff.
To review the status of the request and add additional comments, please visit www.HobbyKing.com


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BRIAN, Jan-07 10:25 (HKT):
Hi, I received my Turnigy 4s 5000 40c batteries. One battery was perfect and the other is defective. The battery arrived puffed and is unusable and unsatisfactory as a new item. I have included pictures of the batteries and cell count rating. The good battery reads a perfect 4.20 4.20 4.20 4.20. The faulty battery readings are in the photograph. Please send me a replacement battery ASAP. Thanks in advance for this, Your customer looking for help, Brian Giardelli.

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Tim, I am a fighter. This is my ticket for HK to replace it. We will see what happens. BG

even in this email to HK you never mentioned this and also you posted your findings of a full charged good pack, not how it arrived to you at 3.85v per cell ??
something is up...