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Flying Scotsman
11-18-2011, 11:10 AM
A simple question to people who own and have run both, which is better ( durability, amp draw, bearings etc.) regardless of price. The reason I ask this as I am in the market for a new motor and have never run a Leopard.

Douggie

Steven Vaccaro
11-18-2011, 11:27 AM
Pound for pound you cant beat a Neu motor.

Doby
11-18-2011, 12:11 PM
I've got several of each and as for the Neu"s...great motors.....as for the Leopards....so far for the price.....seem to be great motors. Unfortunately I don't have them in similar setups, so right now its an Apples to Oranges comparison.

Rumdog
11-18-2011, 01:33 PM
The Neu has better quality parts. But, performance wise I havent noticed a difference. Plus, I've never had a leopard go bad. Therefore, I will continue to use Leos.

m4a1usr
11-18-2011, 02:07 PM
I've got several of each and as for the Neu"s...great motors.....as for the Leopards....so far for the price.....seem to be great motors. Unfortunately I don't have them in similar setups, so right now its an Apples to Oranges comparison.

Amen. The Leo's are top quality for the bux. Only thing I can add is the Leo consumes more juice out of a pack in comparison between the 2. I had a 1515/1Y in my UL1 and decided to toss in a Leo 4074/2150kv for giggles. I didnt notice any decrease in speed but did notice when charging the same packs (dedicated to the UL1 only) the Leo took more out of the packs. Not a bunch. 200 to 300 miliamps. But it was consistent.

So what do I do? I end up putting in a CC/1512! Hows that for not being able to make up my mind. It would be good to hear from someone running a Neu 1521 and a 4082 just to hear their perspective. You would like a Leo Douggie. Not hard on the wallet and like Rummy stated. You dont hear anyone complaining about Leo performance.

John

johnf
11-18-2011, 02:09 PM
I'm considering running a pair of leopards in my HPR. I'll be watching this thread.

JackBlack26
11-18-2011, 02:19 PM
2 words. Customer Service.

Doby
11-18-2011, 04:34 PM
2 words. Customer Service.

3 letters OSE.

Flying Scotsman
11-18-2011, 04:39 PM
Thank you all, as I have run Neu motors and was wanting some feedback on the Leopard motors as a true comparison from members on this forum.

Douggie

jkr
11-18-2011, 05:03 PM
I believe neu are better motors for race use.
I run leos for sport-fun and the only thing i do is a bearing upgrade with ceramics.

6BOOST
11-18-2011, 05:22 PM
Is there somewhere that lists or sells ceramic bearings for the leopards of all sizes?

raptor347
11-18-2011, 06:20 PM
I've only had one experience with a Leopard.

I run a 1515/1y Neu or 1515 CC/Neu interchangeably in my P-mono. I was given a 4082-2200 to try in the setup. It should have been a strait drop in. If you look at the manufacturers ratings, a slight edge in wattage goes to the Leopard. The 1515's were consistent performers in the combo, nothing outragous just a detongued and worked over X447. The 4082-2200 went 3 laps and smoked.

Lots of guys run them. The Leos are great sport motors and bang for the buck, hard to beat. But ultimately, if you want a serious race motor, buy a Neu (or a UL-1 and run p-limited:biggrin:).

BTW it took a quart of denatured alcohol to get the burnt Leopard smell out of my mono.:olleyes:

jkr
11-18-2011, 07:13 PM
Is there somewhere that lists or sells ceramic bearings for the leopards of all sizes?

Here Steve has for 40 and for 56 (boca)

6BOOST
11-18-2011, 07:18 PM
I got some for the 56 I believe but must have missed the other or they were out of stock, I'll go look again now, thank you sir:-)

6BOOST

6BOOST
11-18-2011, 07:19 PM
I've only had one experience with a Leopard.

I run a 1515/1y Neu or 1515 CC/Neu interchangeably in my P-mono. I was given a 4082-2200 to try in the setup. It should have been a strait drop in. If you look at the manufacturers ratings, a slight edge in wattage goes to the Leopard. The 1515's were consistent performers in the combo, nothing outragous just a detongued and worked over X447. The 4082-2200 went 3 laps and smoked.

Lots of guys run them. The Leos are great sport motors and bang for the buck, hard to beat. But ultimately, if you want a serious race motor, buy a Neu (or a UL-1 and run p-limited:biggrin:).

BTW it took a quart of denatured alcohol to get the burnt Leopard smell out of my mono.:olleyes:

Out of interest do you find much difference in power and temps between the CC and NEU?

JackBlack26
11-18-2011, 07:56 PM
3 letters OSE.
I know Steve has awesome service, but I doubt you could send a motor back to him after a year for something minor and have it only cost $50 for repairs and end up with a new rotor as well as bearings. OSE doesn't manufacturer motors so I highly doubt they will stand behind a Leopard motor the way Neu will stand behind theirs. No offense, Steve. Please let me know if I'm wrong.

raptor347
11-18-2011, 08:40 PM
Out of interest do you find much difference in power and temps between the CC and NEU?

I haven't found a performance difference. I've put 300+ amp bursts through the Castle 1512 and 1515 motors. The 1415 has seen 275 amps with no ill effects. I wish I could get them without fins and in a few other winds.

Make-a-Wake
11-18-2011, 08:55 PM
I have several of each..................even had a Neu and a Leopard in the same hull..........................didnt even notice a difference**. I'm not wowed over the Neu motors, dont get me wrong, they are great quality and run cool, but i cant see paying three times as much for something possibly 10% better. I have a 4074 Keda from OSE that i think is a great motor too(leopard clone)

** - i have never "timed" runs in a comparison etc................... just sport racing with friends.

raptor347
11-18-2011, 09:05 PM
Out of interest do you find much difference in power and temps between the CC and NEU?

I haven't found a performance difference. I've put 300+ amp bursts through the Castle 1512 and 1515 motors. The 1415 has seen 275 amps with no ill effects. I wish I could get them without fins and in a few other winds.

Fluid
11-18-2011, 09:17 PM
I ran 6S at 250+ amps through my Castle 1515/1Y in LA for over 30 passes - high speeds and no damage to the motor.



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6BOOST
11-18-2011, 09:41 PM
Awesome, I have a few of each, castle and neu, the price of castles in the smaller sizes to what you can pick up neu's for at times isn't a huge gap, so I got some neu's just in case the cc's weren't up to the task, but it sounds like they are on par :thumbsup:


I know Steve has awesome service, but I doubt you could send a motor back to him after a year for something minor and have it only cost $50 for repairs and end up with a new rotor as well as bearings. OSE doesn't manufacturer motors so I highly doubt they will stand behind a Leopard motor the way Neu will stand behind theirs. No offense, Steve. Please let me know if I'm wrong.

I'm sure as a loyal reseller of neu motors if you had the same problem you would send it to steve, steve would send it to NEU, and you would get the same outcome just with a middle man (who would absorb the freight cost anyway). Plus he usually has a lot of motors in stock;)

6BOOST

de-pro
11-18-2011, 10:08 PM
I think these work. Leopards seem to use the same bearings as Castle Neu, at-least they look the same

http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-inventory/18744/rc-brushless-motor-bearings/ceramic-lightning-abec-5/castle-creations-2200-series-2000-10000-watts


Is there somewhere that lists or sells ceramic bearings for the leopards of all sizes?