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Steven Vaccaro
11-15-2011, 10:13 PM
This is our prototype 10s rigger with Castle 2028 motor, Swordfish 240hv esc and 2 5s Hyperion 45c 5000mah packs. Hope to get it in the water in about 2 weeks.

pyroM!KE
11-15-2011, 10:26 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me wants one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:popcorn2:

ron1950
11-15-2011, 11:08 PM
that thing ought to hit high 90's at least.....glad i wont be anywhere around it when u run it lol

Steven Vaccaro
11-16-2011, 08:04 AM
I'm estimating 70mph in oval race trim. If i hit that with a 14 pound rough water boat, I will have a huge smile on my face.

ron1950
11-16-2011, 08:18 AM
bill 32407 ran 70.8 with a 47 in mono with 10s and the cc2028........

srislash
11-16-2011, 08:21 AM
That is impressive.I gotta get another rigger.

Steven Vaccaro
11-16-2011, 08:23 AM
bill 32407 ran 70.8 with a 47 in mono with 10s and the cc2028........

But he also ran 2p. I'm going to start with 1p and see where it takes me.

Brushless55
11-16-2011, 01:00 PM
very cool man!
this thing is going to be sweet!

LarrysDrifter
11-16-2011, 05:09 PM
The budget part was a joke. It suckered all of us here, didnt it? Now look, we re addicted. Steve is like the Marlboro of FE. Good luck, Steve. Hope you post results and maybe a video.

Steven Vaccaro
11-16-2011, 05:45 PM
Where racing on a budget is a reality! Really? how much money do you think I have into this boat?

6BOOST
11-16-2011, 06:11 PM
how much money do you think I have into this boat?

I'm going to guess based on your ability to purchase bits for yourself a little cheaper and say $600-$800 without the hull?

And on that note, did you make the rigger yourself or is it based off a gas hull Steve? Can we purchase these? Been wanting a big rigger=P

6BOOST

pyroM!KE
11-16-2011, 08:19 PM
how much money do you think I have into this boat?
Your gonna have to tell us..Cuz dangit I want one..Ill sell one of my HPI bajas to get one of those!! No really..I need to know.. :)

Steven Vaccaro
11-16-2011, 08:36 PM
I'm going to guess based on your ability to purchase bits for yourself a little cheaper and say $600-$800 without the hull?

And on that note, did you make the rigger yourself or is it based off a gas hull Steve? Can we purchase these? Been wanting a big rigger=P

6BOOST

Not including the radio and batteries less than $500.00

The motor was purchased at the old castle pricing, before the big price increase.
The esc is used, I bought it for someone for 1/2 of what they cost me.
Coupler, strut and rudder are from stock.



Your gonna have to tell us..Cuz dangit I want one..Ill sell one of my HPI bajas to get one of those!! No really..I need to know.. :)
The hull is a test prototype. I wont be sure where it takes us until we get it in the water.

HRC
11-17-2011, 06:24 AM
Looking good Steve :buttrock: Looks a lot like my old Roadrunner rigger being converted with a NEU 1527 .5 Y for saw.
keep us informed please
Dave

monojeff
11-24-2011, 02:59 AM
Steven any chance of getting some pics of the boat on the water?
I'd love to feature it in the calendar if you can get me some soon also a pic of the inside showing batteries and setup would be great!

Let me know.

Thanks

carlcisneros
11-24-2011, 03:12 PM
Steve;
what prop are you going to try on the first run?

If you are interested in using the ABC props, I can steer you in the direction of usage.

Steven Vaccaro
11-24-2011, 07:33 PM
Steven any chance of getting some pics of the boat on the water?
I'd love to feature it in the calendar if you can get me some soon also a pic of the inside showing batteries and setup would be great!

Let me know.

Thanks

the sponsons are almost complete. I hope to get it out next weekend.

Steven Vaccaro
11-24-2011, 07:34 PM
Steve;
what prop are you going to try on the first run?

If you are interested in using the ABC props, I can steer you in the direction of usage.

I'd love to know what you think for ABC?

I was planning on running a x457 or x460, but I'm open for suggestions?

monojeff
11-24-2011, 08:14 PM
the sponsons are almost complete. I hope to get it out next weekend.

Keep me posted I have a spot open I can fit it in if you can send me some photos!!
Also sent you a PM not sure if you saw I posted some pic of samples in my for sale thread.

Thanks

carlcisneros
11-24-2011, 10:35 PM
Steven;
use the 2214 and the 2314 props.
They have 78.232 (3.080") and 81.788mm (3.222") of pitch repsectively. BUT they have a hidden (so to speak) 4.34 inches of pitch
built into the trailing edge of the blades.
They are a more efficient prop then the octuras and you set them up with the strut being level.
Then you could go to a 2216 then 2316 if the amp draw is acceptable.

Steven Vaccaro
11-25-2011, 06:52 AM
Thanks Carl!

carlcisneros
11-25-2011, 12:22 PM
Welcome Steven.
:smile:

jcald2000
11-29-2011, 07:22 AM
Steve, the ESC in that location may cause problems because of the looong battery leads. Cap bank or mount esc over motor and make a bubble hatch.
70 should be no problem.
Data logger a must at these power levels.
If you need info on how to convert the 150 amp ET to 300 amp in 15 min. let me know.

Jim Caldwell

NativePaul
11-29-2011, 09:02 AM
Would you let me know please?

Steven Vaccaro
11-29-2011, 09:56 AM
Data logger a must at these power levels.
If you need info on how to convert the 150 amp ET to 300 amp in 15 min. let me know.

Jim Caldwell

Sure!!!

Steven Vaccaro
11-30-2011, 08:39 AM
Steve, the ESC in that location may cause problems because of the looong battery leads. Cap bank or mount esc over motor and make a bubble hatch.
70 should be no problem.
Data logger a must at these power levels.
If you need info on how to convert the 150 amp ET to 300 amp in 15 min. let me know.

Jim Caldwell

Jim any news on that 150 - 300 modification?

jcald2000
11-30-2011, 09:12 AM
On the wire lead ET, loop 12 ga. wire from esc side directly to batt. side bypassing the board entirely for both the + and - . This will bypass current, about 1/2, and let it run much cooler. In short, you now have a red wire and a black wire going from the + and - plugs on the battery side plugs directly to the plugs on the esc side plugs or two wires in each plug one set to the E/T and one set bypassing the E/T completly. I am using 8mm plugs! You now have a 300 amp logger!

Next you need to access a Clamp on amp meter, clamp it around the battery leads and run the system up under a load for 15 seconds or so logging the data and compare the amp readings between the them. The ET will have a reading of about 1/2 half of the clamp on meter.
Now connect your ET to the computer, go to "Advanced programing" click on "Calibrate volt and amps" and enter the actual readings in the appropriate boxes and save.

That all there is to it! Welcome to the 300 amp club! I have recorded 282 amps on rigger launch but the E/T only saw 132 amps because my correction factor turned out to be 2.12.

Jim Caldwell

carlcisneros
11-30-2011, 09:38 AM
pictures please?

thanks

Steven Vaccaro
11-30-2011, 09:47 AM
On the wire lead ET, loop 12 ga. wire from esc side directly to batt. side bypassing the board entirely for both the + and - . This will bypass current, about 1/2, and let it run much cooler. In short, you now have a red wire and a black wire going from the + and - plugs on the battery side plugs directly to the plugs on the esc side plugs or two wires in each plug one set to the E/T and one set bypassing the E/T completly. I am using 8mm plugs! You now have a 300 amp logger!

Next you need to access a Clamp on amp meter, clamp it around the battery leads and run the system up under a load for 15 seconds or so logging the data and compare the amp readings between the them. The ET will have a reading of about 1/2 half of the clamp on meter.
Now connect your ET to the computer, go to "Advanced programing" click on "Calibrate volt and amps" and enter the actual readings in the appropriate boxes and save.

That all there is to it! Welcome to the 300 amp club! I have recorded 282 amps on rigger launch but the E/T only saw 132 amps because my correction factor turned out to be 2.12.

Jim Caldwell

thanks! I think I understand, but a picture would be great.

jcald2000
11-30-2011, 12:51 PM
6493064931OK, I guess I used less than a thousand words, so here are the pictures. lol

Steven Vaccaro
11-30-2011, 01:21 PM
A BIG thanks!

monojeff
11-30-2011, 11:55 PM
Steven hows it looking for getting photos of this I gotta know pretty soon so I can button up last few boats for the calendar.

jcald2000
12-11-2011, 01:52 PM
All Right, the site's back up. Now go test the 10s rigger and don't forget the video!!

Steven Vaccaro
12-11-2011, 02:17 PM
I have to work every day for a few more weeks. but I'm moving forward. I got some more packs, so I have a second set now.

Diegoboy
01-06-2012, 04:27 PM
So... THAT's what OSEphil, the master builder looks like huh?
I can't wait to see the sponsons. I hope they're yellow!

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=64192&d=1321412987

Chrisg81983
02-03-2012, 12:36 AM
Steve how's the build going hope it is almost done can't wait to see it Thanks Chris g

Jedi Master
02-04-2012, 04:50 AM
Can't wait to see this crazy beast run!

Steven Vaccaro
02-04-2012, 07:05 AM
We only got a few hours on it at the lake before winter and ice forming. Hope to be able to get more time on it around the end of march.

G-UNIT
02-04-2012, 08:29 AM
What is the measurment of the sponsons from the inside of the tub to the inside of the sponson?
I am reworking a old 70s wingding and would be intrested to see what your with is.
the wing ding is 32" long and moving the sponsons out and foward will put it at about 33"-34"
this will be a 6s set up for now.
I will post a new thread soon on this project, will call it WingDing resurrection.

Steven Vaccaro
10-24-2012, 08:46 PM
Finally got to get out and play with something we wanted to today.


http://youtu.be/IGcmOj9XSWQ

Still needs a bunch of tuning. But still Lots of fun.

Brushless55
10-24-2012, 09:12 PM
What prop did you use?

Steven Vaccaro
10-24-2012, 09:18 PM
Bunch of abc props, 2318 2 blade and up.

Doug Smock
10-24-2012, 10:03 PM
Nice work!:thumbup1:

Steven Vaccaro
10-25-2012, 07:16 AM
Still dragging its tail. Seems once i get the tail out of the water it hops. Any ideas?

ron1950
10-25-2012, 09:05 AM
i am watching this thread steven as i have a sport hydro hopping also......some say put weight in rear others say change prop etc....let us know if u get it fixed....

jcald2000
10-25-2012, 09:47 AM
Lightly cup the hopping prop near the outer edge of the blade.

longballlumber
10-25-2012, 10:03 AM
Still dragging its tail. Seems once i get the tail out of the water it hops. Any ideas?

Here's my 2 pennies; before bending on any props, I would try some negitive angle in the stut (prop end down). Assuming that you are currently at 0* angle (flat); it could take as little as -1* to take the hop out.

Let us know

Steven Vaccaro
10-25-2012, 10:16 AM
We only ran one 2 5s packs in series. Next time out I'll run the 4 packs to make 10s2p. The weight and balance will completing change, so I'll be interested to see what happens then.

srislash
10-25-2012, 10:21 AM
That change in weight could do it alone.

carlcisneros
10-26-2012, 09:12 AM
Steve;
drop the strut aprox. 1/8" and keep it level.
With the ABC line of props they lift alot. keep the strut level.
if the back end still hops, you will have to actually adjust the strut positive by just a hair
to remove the hopping.

If you dont like the way the boat is running after that, then switch over to a 14 or 16 series Octura prop. (still keeping the strut level)

jaike5
11-20-2012, 10:49 AM
Steve , I use 457 /460 / m 62x80 . 3060/8t. 10s/2p . 2 4s packs in front and 2 6s packs behind those, 5000 mah. Cheers ,Jay.

jasontodd
06-11-2013, 07:47 AM
nice boat steve ..also using a 2028.. what prop for 14s?? :)
jason
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Steven Vaccaro
06-11-2013, 08:01 AM
nice boat steve ..also using a 2028.. what prop for 14s?? :)
jason
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100437 sorrry Im not sure without testing some. I would say that I dont think I would run that motor on 14s. I think 10s, or even 12s would be good. Reason I say this is that Im not sure how the magnets will hold up under that much rpm. But good like and post your results.

Fluid
06-11-2013, 08:16 AM
14S is far too much for the CC2028, that's 40,000 rpm unloaded while the factory says not to exceed 30,000 rpm. Plus 40,000 is SAW territory, not for sport running or oval racing. If you want that kind of voltage, it's better to use a motor with a lower Kv. BTW you can't get NAMBA or IMPBA insurance for a 14S boat....


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jasontodd
06-11-2013, 08:37 AM
thankyou , any updates on this 10s boat ?

Jason