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rctoyznhobby
10-01-2011, 07:00 AM
Goodbye

srislash
10-01-2011, 08:38 AM
That sucks!There's one in every bunch.I hate dishonest people.

LarrysDrifter
10-01-2011, 10:52 AM
Sorry for your misfortune. You really need to add puncutation to what you say. Its hard to read. I hope you list the guy here soon.

kookie_guy
10-01-2011, 10:59 AM
*!***!***!***!**heads like that are the reason people are hesitant to ship to Canada. Kills it for the rest of us. Post his name if he's a memeber on here.

egneg
10-01-2011, 06:06 PM
I have listed items cheaper than actual cost for international postage but insist on priority mail with confirmation. I guess I have been lucky as I have never had a dispute ... yet.

ksm2001
10-01-2011, 09:32 PM
Sorry to hear that, its to bad that some ****|*** makes people more Leary to ship here to Canada. Yes post his name.

Stinger9D9
10-01-2011, 09:53 PM
Yeah, make sure you opt for delivery confirmation (which requires the recipient to sign for the package).

As far as the customs declaration form goes, I never have any problem paying the full amount of import tax (they don't really charge duty, just tax as if we had bought it in Canada), but just be sure to be accurate with the amount - do NOT inflate it.

I bought a TS2 and REK lower years ago from one of the users on here for $180 and then the guy's wife writes $400 on the customs declaration form because she thought it would "count" as insurance!??? Because of that smooth move, I had to pay almost $100 to pick the thing up at the Post Office. That sucked.

sundog
10-02-2011, 09:56 AM
Ebay is the same way. There is buyer protection, but no seller protection. I sold a near new Shortwave radio to a schmuck that said it wasn't 'tuned' properly. It was sold as-is in the ad, but he didn't want to deal with the manufacturer. Long story short Ebay found in favor for him, gave him his money back and came to me for it. When it was returned, the tamper proof label had been mostly torn off to get access to a cover screw. I opened it and saw the tamper proof seal (glue) was torn on one of the tuning capacitors (he had messed with it to make sure it was broken, like his story). Ebay finally gave me my money back as well. But "as-is" doesn't mean anything on ebay. If the buyer is unhappy (for whatever reason), ebay will stand behind the buyer, not the seller. Sellers beware.

ENCORE MAN
10-02-2011, 10:30 AM
*!***!***!***!**heads like that are the reason people are hesitant to ship to Canada. Kills it for the rest of us. Post his name if he's a memeber on here.
Why are you making this a Canadian issue? The post is about a person who claims not to have received a shipped item and who happens to live in Canada. This can happen to any OSE member any where in the world. I agree with you that RCTOYZNHOBBY should post his name to help us out and give his claim some credibility. BG

Punisher 67
10-02-2011, 12:00 PM
Absolutely post his name , Me and Ken are going over to his house to kick his a$$ , I really enjoys the shipping back and forth we do with our USA neighbors and really get pissed when some dickhead tries to get something for nothing

ksm2001
10-02-2011, 12:38 PM
Absolutely post his name , Me and Ken are going over to his house to kick his a$$ , I really enjoys the shipping back and forth we do with our USA neighbors and really get pissed when some dickhead tries to get something for nothing

I was thinking the exact same thoughts after I posted last night Peter. I'm sure we can drop by his place uninvited if he lives in our area.

de-pro
10-02-2011, 04:10 PM
Things like this wrecks it for Canadian buyers. Its much larger market for available parts in the US than Canada. Not everyone is the same way and yes this can happen anywhere in the world including US. Bad apples are everywhere.

Rumdog
10-02-2011, 04:44 PM
Isn't delivery confirmation about a dollar?

Doby
10-02-2011, 04:48 PM
Evil Canadians...

Basstronics
10-02-2011, 04:50 PM
If they havent taken their money back yet call your credit card company report your card used on pay pal as lost so its shut off immediately. Then switch bank accounts quickly. I would go into your Pay Pal account and delete the accounts also. THis should bar them from charging you.

That way even if pay pal finds in favor of the cheat they will get stuck with the bill.

My dad used to work for a multi million dollar online hobby store and had some stories of the BS people do. This is one of them. They want it shipped parcel post and simply claim they never got it. Which usually makes the hobby store send another at no cost but with the tracked shipping. Then a little later on they got notified the card used for the purchase which got two R/C trucks was stolen so they were out over $1K.

Old trick...

Glad to see you kept information on it. Hope it all works out in your favor.

Post a name please so none of us here have to go through this also.

Browning
10-03-2011, 12:33 AM
Hello, all Offshore electric forum members! I am the party accused of purchasing a boat and trying to opt out of paying extra for delivery confirmation ??? (Would you do that for a $300 boat you just paid for?? I don't think so!!)

Before you all form opinions of me that are ultimately incorrect, I would like to let you know what really happened when I tried to purchase a King of Shaves P1 from user rctoyznhobby.

On August 31, I contacted rctoyznhobby about a post with a King of Shaves P1 for sale. He replied to me that his was sold, but that he still had one to sell. We agreed on his listed price of $300 (which included shipping). He said that as long as I didn't live "overseas", he would gladly ship for the agreed price of $300, as long as I paid via PayPal AS A GIFT. Here is the email I received from him:

my original PM: "Is it $300 shipped as well ? I can also assume that there are no cracks or chips in the boat and everything functions properly ? Please let me know."

rctoyznhobby reply: "300 shipped sending payment as gift payment with paypal. no cracks no chips nothing no defects in the decals everything works as if you just pulled it out of the box the first time yourself new my son got his drivers lic. and a car but lost intreast in the whole rc thing so i have cars sitiing around as well and trucks, he wanted to run with me. where will it be shipped to? i hope not overseas "

After this took place, I gladly paid for the boat as requested on August 31. There was never a time when I refused to "pay extra" for delivery confirmation, nor was that ever an option that was offered to me. I'm not 100% familiar with USPS, but I can be quite certain that you cannot ship a box of this size without a tracking number, nor would I ever want someone to ship a box of this value to me without a proper tracking number. I asked on September 7, 12, and 16 for a tracking number for the shipment that I paid for on August 31. I received no response until September 17, when I was provided with an incorrect tracking number. I found this out when I attempted to enter the tracking number on both USPS and Canada Post websites. The number simply did not exist. I even went so far as to contact USPS and Canada Post via telephone. They confirmed that the number did not exist.

On September 23, rctoyznhobby emailed me to say that he would look into this. He then asked, "your in Canada right"?? I had already given him my Canadian mailing address!!

Here I sit on October 2, writing this post, with no tracking number (after numerous requests), and STILL NO BOAT. rctoyznhobby claimed in his original post in this thread that I am trying to obtain both a boat and get my money back. All I want is one or the other. I have yet to receive a legitimate tracking number and have certainly not received any boat from this seller. I have privately purchased items advertised on this forum by other sellers, and have never encountered a problem. I have also purchased several orders from OSE and, once again, have never had a problem.

If anyone questions my honesty, I will gladly send you a transcript of the desperate email conversations between myself and rctoyznhobby, which clearly demonstrate that I am only trying to obtain a boat that I have legitimately paid for.

ALL BUYERS BEWARE!!!!!

I'm not going to personally call this seller, rctoyznhobby, a liar. I will let all of you decide for yourselves... from the beginning, I have been given nothing but excuses as to why the item had not yet been shipped or as to why I hadn't received a tracking number. First, was bad weather, then a "long drive to the post office", and then his "son having a serious mishap". Here is rctoyznhobby's latest post that announces why he has to sell his RC collection:

"Hello, forum members i am sad to say i have to get out of the rc boat hobby at this moment and need to sell everything. My son was involved in a car crash saturday totaled his car (not his fault) and the driver at fault was uninsured and i have to do something to cover his medical bills this is going to be a court dragout ill be luckY to get a $1.00 amonth in payments from uninsured driver...... so the best way i can do it is to give a deal to a lucky someone for what i have here it goes but please understand i will have to do this as a whole package deal due to time." (posted today, 8:55 pm)

Here is rctoyznhobby's excuse sent to me in a private email as to why I had not received my tracking number for the boat:

"i have not gotten it yet from him it is in his car at the camp ground i have to go out to pick his car up we have been at the hospital with him he was at the camp ground with his girlfriend and he was bite in the face by a dog he has went through 2 surgerys already his jaw is wired shut and they are doing another surgery today to recunstruct the jaw i have a buddy afterwork going out to pick his car up with me i will get it and send it to you i am so behind i have a box to ship to someone else and a trailer to get out for another rc boat i hoping we can get home soon we are at the cleveland clinic that is 2 hours from our home i have to go there today as soon as he is out of surgery thank you for understanding God Bless" (sent September 12, 12:35 pm)

"i am going back to post office today toship a rc car to someone i will have them get me the recipt number they usedall i did was file a claim on the insurance and a lost item reprt they did the rest. it has been hard our insurance isnt paying for the damages and hosptail bills they say the dog owner should but it wasnt the dogs fault my son loves dogs it was on a leash and he went over to it to pet it when he got attacked he still needs more surgerys and his jaw is still wired shut still in alot of pain and now we are dealing with issues of fear becouse we have 2 big dogs that he ggrew up with we have had them as puppys 6 & 7 weeks old now 7 yrs old he is afraid to touch them it has been hard to deal with" (sent September 27, 12:42 pm)

As you can see from the email messages and the latest post from rctoyznhobby, I don't even think he's too sure what has happened to his son. He seems a little confused as to whether his son was bitten by a dog or was involved in a car accident. Does this sound truthful to all of you ??

rctoyznhobby is asking $2,400 for all of the boats he is selling in the "items for sale" section of this forum. After reading my post, would you be willing to send this desperate-for-money seller $2,400 or would you sooner stand on your front porch with a lighter and burn the $2,400 for a higher level of entertainment ?? I'll let you decide!!

I know this seller has had good feedback from deals in the past, but remember, now he claiming to need money for "medical bills"... money does funny things to people. Beware!!

I will sign this off as hopefully not being the first $300 donation to medical bills.

One final comment... to rctoyznhobby: the best way to clear your name on this is to either send me my money back, or proof that you sent the boat, as it has been over a month since I paid you for it.

Signed,

Boatless

rctoyznhobby
10-03-2011, 04:20 AM
I HAVE INFO ....LOL FUNNY HE POST TO COVER HIS TRACKS THEY DO NOT OFFER A TRACKING NUMBER FROM US TO CANADA I WAS TOLD I HAVE CUSTOMS FORM NUMBER IT COST ME $34.20 FOR 7LB 8.2 OZ SHIPPING OF P1 HERE IS THE INFO ON PACKAGE LAST ENTERED AT POST OFFICE Your Item's StatusYour item was processed through our ISC CHICAGO IL (USPS) facility The item is currently in transit to the destination. #1 he was bit by dod 2 weeks ago #2 his car crash was saturday 2days ago anyone that has bought from me on OSE knows i ship asap a man of my word read sellers feedback you will see

Basstronics
10-03-2011, 06:06 AM
The local USPS told me that the tracking numbers are only good on the US Side. It will track it to the border and thats it. Just like the "Priority mail" option is only to the border. Once it hits customs its on the Canadian postal service to get it to you safely.

If you want full tracking point A to point B you gotta use Fedex, UPS or DHL.

I see seller does not deny the parts where he claims to ship then later claims its in a wrecked car. That there is enough of a red flag for me. Even from another Ohio person- not worth the drive if I was to get ripped off.

rctoyznhobby
10-03-2011, 06:12 AM
I never said its in a wrecked car it was shipped there to canada this is becoming more of an issue than it should be i am very honest to all people thats why things get misslead people read into things wrong sorry i ever listed warning

Stinger9D9
10-03-2011, 06:23 AM
Why has the original post (from the seller) been edited down to almost nothing 8 minutes after the buyer told his side of the story?

Other than it being a grammatical nightmare (no punctuation, no capitalization - it was the longest run on sentence I ever tried to read), it was there to tell the seller's side of the story.

Considering that the seller decided to remove it after the buyer told his side of the story, it sounds pretty fishy now. Just sayin...

rctoyznhobby
10-03-2011, 08:05 AM
everyones a critic! there is 2 sides to everystory, but when i have the mailing info in hand the truth stops there. what i was saying is that i shipped boat once boat was shipped then he asked for refund so why would i refund 300.00 and have a boat out there to not show for back inhand i was only stating a warning if you all feel the need here it is priority mail lost in transit found package in Illonois due to miss marked lable by post office error they told me at local post office boat was delivered i had no way to check it once it hit canada line that buyer was trying a scam i was told by post office and gave me a beware it happens when you ship international. package has now been relabled by postal inspector and i was emailed a # of cp961796208us anyone can go on usps and see..... so the buyer will be getting his boat there was nothing i could do but go on the word of the post office when i was being asked for a 300 refund and no boat back inhand.......what would you think and do if you were in my shoes? this was not the fault of myself i have sold to OSE members and shipped to each one as it should be i am not a dishonest person.... i appoligize to buyer for what went on but it was out of my hands once i handed package to postal carrier

eboat
10-03-2011, 08:40 AM
everyones a critic! there is 2 sides to everystory, but when i have the mailing info in hand the truth stops there. what i was saying is that i shipped boat once boat was shipped then he asked for refund so why would i refund 300.00 and have a boat out there to not show for back inhand i was only stating a warning if you all feel the need here it is priority mail lost in transit found package in Illonois due to miss marked lable by post office error they told me at local post office boat was delivered i had no way to check it once it hit canada line that buyer was trying a scam i was told by post office and gave me a beware it happens when you ship international. package has now been relabled by postal inspector and i was emailed a # of cp961796208us anyone can go on usps and see..... so the buyer will be getting his boat there was nothing i could do but go on the word of the post office when i was being asked for a 300 refund and no boat back inhand.......what would you think and do if you were in my shoes? this was not the fault of myself i have sold to OSE members and shipped to each one as it should be i am not a dishonest person.... i appoligize to buyer for what went on but it was out of my hands once i handed package to postal carrier

After a month all buyers would ask for a refund
Guess it was not a Canadian scam thing after all

rctoyznhobby
10-03-2011, 08:48 AM
no but i was lead to beleave that from post office that there are alot of scams with buyers on all website sells ebay , amazon, so on so forth. i tryed to contact buyer to appoligize as well thats why i reduced ad it was premature on my part only becouse i was told that i had never dealt with shipping to canada before so a lesson learned but i couldnt give a refund and still have a boat not in hand i hope you understand i would have been out 700.00 on my end

sundog
10-03-2011, 09:31 AM
Don't you just love happy endings? :moon:

rctoyznhobby
10-03-2011, 09:44 AM
Don't you just love happy endings? :moon:

beleave me i feel bad at the moment but i was upset in the start thinking i was going to hand over 300.00 and have no boat back and be out another 400 the cost of the boat i have tryed to contact buyer we need to talk

ray schrauwen
10-03-2011, 09:57 AM
Depending on how it was shipped, it can take that long.

What City in Ontario was it going to?

Tough one. I've never been screwed over except the first thing I sold on Ebay 10 years ago, my bad not shipping with proper tracking.

Basstronics
10-03-2011, 12:12 PM
Thats good.

Lesson learned. Probably would of been best to first get ahold of the buyer and get that side before posting this topic. I bet you wont do that again!

But since the dirty laundry has been aired, if it all works right I would still buy from ya.

Rumdog
10-03-2011, 01:31 PM
I like post #1. This whole thing smells like B.S. to me.

Browning
10-03-2011, 08:47 PM
Until I receive the boat that I paid for, or my money refunded, this will be my last posting.

I was going to leave well enough alone in the hope that time would fix this, and that rctoyznhobby would either refund my payment, send my boat, or provide me with a correct tracking number. Rctoyznhobby went ahead and posted untrue information about this deal, so you cannot blame a person for coming on to this forum, defending their good character, and providing the second half of this story.

First, let’s start by clarifying a few untrue statements made by rctoyznhobby in response to my original posting.

Rctoyznhobby replied, “THEY DO NOT OFFER A TRACKING NUMBER FROM US TO CANADA” (posted October 3, 4:20 am).

The truth: yes, they do, and how strange it is that he has posted a tracking number on this forum earlier today for everyone to see!!

Rctoyznhobby replied, “package has now been relabled by postal inspector and i was emailed a # of cp961796208us” (posted October 3, 8:05 am).

The truth: I contacted USPS today and was informed that once a package is originally labelled with a tracking number, the tracking number assigned to it never changes, no matter where that shipment ends up. It is a barcode that is scanned by USPS and stays with that package until delivery or MIA. So, all of you please track this package online and note the day that it was accepted by USPS in Ohio. That date is October 1, 2011, at 11:28 am. Keep in mind that the original date of my transaction was August 31. That said, can anyone blame me for simply wanting a refund or a legitimate tracking number, especially now that an entire month has passed? I recognize the fact that packages travelling from the US to Canada may take some time, but this package was travelling from Ohio to Ontario, which is only a 7-hour drive, and would certainly not require a month-long shipping time.

Also, you will note that the tracking number provided in this post can not only be tracked on the USPS website, but can also be tracked via Canada Post. Granted, Canada Post does not include exact details, but does so once the package has arrived in Canada. Regardless, with this information, a person can tell that there is a package en route to Canada, which is all I asked for in the beginning… on several different occasions, in fact.

Furthermore, it seems to me that after an entire month of emailing rctoyznhobby, requesting a tracking number, it took me posting a response to his rather bold and untrue claim that I was refusing to pay for tracking confirmation in order for me to finally get some positive action on his part.

This will be my final post until this boat arrives. I will gladly report once I receive it and that it is in the condition promised to me.

To you, rctoyznhobby… you have sent 2 emails to me requesting that I no longer phone, email, or contact you in any manner, or you will “move on to the next level”, to quote your exact words to me. So, in not answering your attempts to contact me to delete my posts on this thread, I am simply respecting your own wishes. I would appreciate you heeding your own advice, and refrain from contacting me in any manner.

drwayne
10-03-2011, 09:37 PM
Let this be a lesson to you all.

Do not pay pal as a gift .........pay with +3%

seller gets expected funds, you get a claimback facility.
.. helps weed out the dubious dealers

that being said, Ive good results with rctoyznhobbies selling to Au.

DocW

de-pro
10-03-2011, 10:27 PM
I have done over 400 transactions on ebay (buying or selling) and glad to say I never came across this kind of shenanigan. I guess I've been lucky
As a buyer, just pay for your purchase immediately, as a seller send the item with-in 24-48 hours and everyone will be happy.

Stinger9D9
10-11-2011, 03:34 PM
Hey Browning,

I see that the USPS website indicates that you received the parcel. Did you finally get this boat? Hopefully everything worked out.

Browning
10-11-2011, 09:49 PM
Hey Browning,

I see that the USPS website indicates that you received the parcel. Did you finally get this boat? Hopefully everything worked out.

Hi Stinger9D9,

To answer your question… yes, I did receive my POS KOS P1. I didn’t write sooner, as I was away all weekend, but I definitely had to post pictures of the piece of s#it I received. I went to the post office and opened the box to find a KOS P1 that was not as described as per the following PM conversation between myself and rctoyznhobby:

My question: “Is it $300 shipped as well ? I can also assume that there are no cracks or chips in the boat and everything functions properly ? Please let me know.”

Rctoyznhobby replied: “300 shipped sending payment as gift payment with paypal. no cracks no chips nothing no defects in the decals everything works as if you just pulled it out of the box the first time yourself new my son got his drivers lic. and a car but lost intreast in the whole rc thing so i have cars sitiing around as well and trucks, he wanted to run with me. where will it be shipped to? i hope not overseas”.

After reading this, you would think that I was going to receive a boat that would have been extremely difficult to tell that it wasn’t new. Well, that wasn’t the case! I opened the box at the post office to find broken pieces of styrofoam and a loose boat and transmitter literally floating amongst them. The boat was not supported inside the box, allowing the rudder to be bounced against the bottom each time the box was moved in shipment. Also, the bow of the boat has cracks and deep chips to the point where you can almost see light through them. The bottom of the boat has long, hairline cracks and several small chips. The top of the boat, where hatch tape had been placed, has now peeled off all of the clear coat, and has left a rough, unprotected surface that has yellowed.

The motor of the boat has obviously been run quite hard and quite hot, as evidenced by the blackened color of the motor. The boat has, at one time, had turn fins mounted on it that have now been removed. The holes have been filled with large toothpicks and some type of rough epoxy, instead of fiberglass (the way it should be done). This has been done on both sides, leaving the transom of the boat looking absolutely horrible.

So, needless to say, you be the judge as to whether the boat looks as the seller described it, or as I describe it here. Please look at the pictures below that I have taken of some of the bad areas, but not all of them.

Signed,

A former and never again buyer from rctoyznhobby, the BS seller selling POS boats…

6215562156621576215862159

Browning
10-11-2011, 09:50 PM
And here is a picture of the scorched motor...

62160

Basstronics
10-11-2011, 09:53 PM
As a secondary precaution with pay pal, if you paid with an actual credit card and NOT from your bank account you can file a dispute with your credit card. Since the item is significantly different than what you were sold they will charge back. That means Pay Pal will get a charge back which they will pass on to the seller or eat the costs.

Epic BS.

Boaterguy
10-11-2011, 10:04 PM
I was thinking that he had good deals on his son's accident, how was his son camping in his totaled car?

ray schrauwen
10-11-2011, 10:25 PM
Uh ohhhhh..... Spaghetti ooos...:thumbdown:

ray schrauwen
10-11-2011, 10:36 PM
I think the rules could be modified maybe. Do you think people should be able to put up sale threads "because I got cancer", "because I lost my job" etc.

Although tragedies happen, it's not neccessary to air it in a sale thread.

Bidness is bidness in the for sale area, emotion should be left out and more pictures put in maybe???

sundog
10-12-2011, 08:51 AM
I've never before seen a motor that got so hot it discolored the case. Wow. Wannabet the magnets are shot?

ksm2001
10-12-2011, 09:02 AM
Sorry to hear you were misinformed on this sale and hope this guy doesn't show up on this forum again. Reading his sons story makes me wonder if it was all made up now coming from this jack ***. I agree with Ray that selling or buying is business and hearing a personal story to make a sale should be left out.

kookie_guy
10-12-2011, 09:21 AM
Call the credit card company. That's fraud, and is illegal.

midnightsabotage
10-17-2011, 12:35 AM
Wow. That really sucks. I hope you're not out of options and can still get things sorted out somehow so that you're not out $300.

Thank you for posting all your details though. Reminding people that even on a forum like this with so many great buyers/sellers, that things like this can still happen and we all need to take the proper steps to cover our butts... because you just never know.

tagasagwan
10-19-2011, 05:01 AM
Too bad this thing happens. Even here in The Phillippines it happens too. Maybe I just got lucky with my 50+ transactions at rctech. I haven't bought anything here yet. Well, I tried! But some sellers doesn't want to ship overseas. Well, lessons learned but I really hope this thing will be settled. Let's just enjoy this hobby that we all love so much! Peace!

Gimp
10-20-2011, 09:44 PM
Any updates with the mangled P1 situation?

I've been waiting on a battery from him for a month and a half now.......

kookie_guy
10-20-2011, 10:41 PM
start the claim process.

Gimp
10-21-2011, 12:50 PM
I traded a pair of batteries for my 45amp ESC. Got both batteries but one was dead. Contacted him and said he'd return it at the LHS. LHS told him it needed to be sent to the manufacturer to confirm it was dead and they'd get a new one when it was confirmed. Apparently he picked up the new one from the LHS last week and was going to send it out. Can't get in contact with him since then....

Bought a Miss Geico from him before. Just thrown in a box with no padding, cracked the inner sponson seem.

Pretty frustrated at this point about the battery, can't imagine how upset Browning must be with the entire boat.

Stinger9D9
10-30-2011, 08:58 PM
Hey Browning,

Is this the boat that was sent to you?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/220842001402

I found it while nosing around some completed auctions on Ebay. I found that a guy that sounds exactly like rctoyznhobby who sold a used UL-1 (that was described as NEW) with the same story he told us in the Swap Shop right here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UL1-RC-BOAT-NEW-AND-RACE-READY-/180740522197?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item2a14f980d5
The lack of any lowercase letters, punctuation and 3rd grade spelling was a clue too.

Anyway, I followed the stellar feedback rating of 2 the seller had to see what he had bought, that's where I found the KoS that had been found on the side of the river full of water. Definitely not new. New to that clown I guess, but not out of the box new.

If this is the same boat, he knew exactly what he was doing.

Basstronics
10-30-2011, 09:56 PM
That most definite is the boat!

The first e bay picture, look where the step is you can see the same exact marks as Browning pictured.

midnightsabotage
10-31-2011, 12:59 AM
That most definite is the boat!

The first e bay picture, look where the step is you can see the same exact marks as Browning pictured.

Agreed, same boat - no doubt in my mind. Numerous little marks and imperfections on that hull match up in both pictures. And the inside picture - there looks to be a COG line penciled in that matches both - unless that's a marking that the factory draws inside every boat for some reason.

If you still haven't been able to make some progress on a refund, this is great evidence - especially if that boat came shipped to you from Youngstown, OH (the location of the ul-1 seller & buyer of that KOS).

kookie_guy
10-31-2011, 10:11 AM
Any updates on this?

Browning
10-31-2011, 11:03 AM
Hello Folks

Stinger9D9, thank you very much for finding this, I do appreciate it. The hull is the same for sure after looking at it closer but he has changed the hatch and a few other things (ESC). I actually received the KOS in a UL1 box with some broken bits of styrofoam thrown in it for what this idiot thought would be protection I guess.

As far as an update goes, I am going to move forward in a fraud charge actually and having done the research, I have a great case. I just have to make an effort to contact him and try to settle a fair deal first and if that doesn’t work then I move forward with a fraud charge. I will keep you guys posted.

Please everybody keep in mind that the following info is what this seller uses for purchases and selling so BEWARE if you ever come across it in a deal. He is on other R/C related sites as well, so make people aware of this rip off artist.

He goes by either Bill or Kyle Sheesley and his Paypal account info is rctoyznhobby@yahoo.com and also rc_hobbiest@yahoo.com
His E Bay seller name is rchobbbiest1

I would recommend to never deal with this con artist !!!

Browning

sailr
10-31-2011, 06:32 PM
I have had stuff I sent to Canada tied up in their customs for weeks! The only tracking we can get here is that is has left the USA. That means it's on it's way to it's destination. If you're Canadian, please understand that even the most honest seller can't account for the inefficiency of your customs and postal services.

Stinger9D9
10-31-2011, 09:47 PM
I have had stuff I sent to Canada tied up in their customs for weeks! The only tracking we can get here is that is has left the USA. That means it's on it's way to it's destination. If you're Canadian, please understand that even the most honest seller can't account for the inefficiency of your customs and postal services.

Sorry about "our customs and postal services" (we'll try harder next time) but that has absolutely nothing with what happened here. The guy was sold what was described as a like new boat which turned out to be one that was found on the side of a river filled with water, with a scorched motor and...oh well, if you're not going to take the time to read the thread before you post, I'm not going to repeat it all here.

kendt
11-12-2011, 07:03 PM
I feel your pain man. I was just ripped off almost three hundred bucks for an rc car I sold to a guy in australia. Paypal gave him a refund even though I provided proof of shipping and tracking info showing it was on its way.Then the item arrived and the guy kept it but didnt pay up. I even had canada post do an investigation and they sent me the copies of the documents with the guy's name and signature for the item. Paypal still refuses to reverse the descission. I have since reported it to the rcmp fraud branch and am waiting to hear back. Either way paypal will never see the money that my account is now in the hole because of their stupidity. I wish you all the best in getting this sorted out.

drwayne
11-12-2011, 09:30 PM
@Kendt
Hi
Im sec the South Australian Model Boat Club.... and can access all others.
PM me details of who, where and what.. and we'll see if this can be dealt with 'at ground level'
We can sure help locate scumbag buyers and aid in recovery.
regs
W

murphy3428
11-13-2011, 12:01 PM
Was the guys first name Gary? If so he has been doing this type of crap for along time

kendt
11-13-2011, 12:06 PM
Those buggies are awesome. I just recently sold a samuri to someone over seas. That wasnt the car I got burned on though. The guy's name is Andrew Gellert. He obviously knows his way around scams cause I was telling me he intended to put in a dispute after only three weeks< when he was told it would take up to six to arrive.

kookie_guy
11-13-2011, 01:32 PM
Browning, any updates on this?

kookie_guy
11-30-2011, 12:08 AM
Still nothing?

Gimp
11-30-2011, 12:23 AM
Still nothing?

Interested too.

Still haven't gotten my battery. The latest story is this Bill clown had a heart attack. I've been given more stories than you can shake a stick at.

Boaterguy
11-30-2011, 12:45 PM
don't give him ideas- you can break your arm shaking a stick!

Gimp
12-02-2011, 07:44 PM
don't give him ideas- you can break your arm shaking a stick!

Got in contact with him today and he told me I was scamming him. He told me it should be here today (12-2-11) and when it didn't show up I contacted him. I've waited 3 months for this stupid battery, told him if it wasn't here by Monday I wanted the money for it. That's when he called me a scammer.....

I traded him my MG ESC and he gave me 2 batteries for it, the one was dead at arrival. Sent it back to him and he said his LHS will replace it.....3 months ago.

What should I do? The only thing I can think of is send him a PayPal invoice for the battery lol

kookie_guy
12-02-2011, 11:52 PM
Do you have all the communication back and forth? About his stating you will get the new battery? I guess since it was a trade, paypal is not involved. You can file a complaint against him with the cops in his state/town, show them proof of all the communications. What he's doing is fraud. Even if at the end of the day there's a police record against him, maybe one day mother karma will catch up with him.

Gimp
12-03-2011, 12:02 AM
Apparently he is a cop........ go figure lol.

kookie_guy
12-03-2011, 12:34 AM
You guys don't have some kind of special investigations unit (SIU) that investigates cops?? We have one here in Canada, that's why I ask. I'd be calling them even more so. A cop should know he's commiting fraud by doing what he's doing. He should be getting disciplined for breaking the law.

Gimp
12-03-2011, 01:07 PM
You guys don't have some kind of special investigations unit (SIU) that investigates cops?? We have one here in Canada, that's why I ask. I'd be calling them even more so. A cop should know he's commiting fraud by doing what he's doing. He should be getting disciplined for breaking the law.

Yea it's a pretty sour subject in the states.