Twin HOTR Options, need help from you smart people!

[Diesel6401]

Just bought a Apparition twin from the SS and need some help choosing motors. I did a search have found most folks running the Feiago 380xl's on these hulls and the ekos hulls, but I don't want to go that route. I do have a question though will a 540 36mm can fit? I know Bill O upgraded his EKOS to 540 cans by just modding the motor mounts, just curious if anyone has tried it with the apparition hulls. I know the ekos hull is a little bigger though. I will be replacing the 4mm bushings on the strut with some 3/16 aeromarine bushings and I will use .150 3/16 flex cables that I already have (the cw mg cable and the replacement ccw mg cable).

A) Leopard 2860 2730kv on 3s
B) Leopard 3650 2930kv on 3s
C) Ammo 3650 2300kv on 4s
C Ammo 3656 2600kv on 3s/4s
D) Ammo 2845 2700kv on 3s

Esc's would be twin seaking 120s.

Another question is should I run isolate each esc and battery or should I parallel the esc's and parallel the batteries on 3s and if I ran a 4s set up should I parallel the esc's and run 2 2s batts in series or parallel the esc's and run 2 4s batts paralleled?

[LarrysDrifter]

Id definitely not run a 2 pole motor.Stick to a Leopard or other decent quality.I ran my EKOS on Feigao 380XL's 2612kv on 4s.Ran cool,but just lost a motor recently too.Im re-building using Arc motors from www.lightflightrc.com. My friend has an Apparation,and by looking at our 2 hulls,they seem to be the same in the sponsons as far as room goes.And Arc 540 motors have 25mm and 19mm bolt patterns too.You can also use more rpm than what you posted in the poll as far as the Leopards go.Or prop up.32,523 isnt much for a twin drive.

[blackcat26]

Me personally would use the ammo 2600's or the turnigy 36-56-04 2600kv. I ran both of those motors in my blackjack twin and the both yeilded exactly the same speed. (right under 70mph) run em on 4s (2 2s in series) and the speedys in parallel so each motor see's the same voltage. Same setup in my Miss Geico twin ran 66mph on x442's on 4s.

[tiqueman]

Diesel Diesel Diesel.. Dont you remember my twin HOTR build thread.. Cmon man.. I thought you were better than that... :laugh:

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?t=13290

Twin 540s, 10XL, 6S, just over 70mph.


EDIT, oh theres more... I got excited and posted too soon... Mine is wired as Blackcats, 2-3S, seriesed to 6, the paralleled out to the EScs, BUT, if you run 4S or even 3S per motor, obviously theres enough room so run it to each seperately so youll get a longer run time. I actually just purchased two 4S 4000mah 40C packs that will just fit under the deck lip that Im going to run mine on. 70 is cool, but for the 1:30 sec saw runs, it will be alot more fun a little slower. My test runs will be this weekend on the new power provided the weather holds up.

[blackcat26]

Maybe he does not want to go over 70.....:tongue_smilie:

[tiqueman]

Knowin Deisel, he wants more

[blackcat26]

Yeah I have that same bug it seems.....

[Diesel6401]

Diesel Diesel Diesel.. Dont you remember my twin HOTR build thread.. Cmon man.. I thought you were better than that... :laugh:

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?t=13290



Yes I do remember that build come to think of it.


Maybe he does not want to go over 70.....:tongue_smilie:

Good question


Knowin Deisel, he wants more

GREAT ANSWER :banana::rockon2:

[Diesel6401]

Id definitely not run a 2 pole motor.Stick to a Leopard or other decent quality.I ran my EKOS on Feigao 380XL's 2612kv on 4s.Ran cool,but just lost a motor recently too.Im re-building using Arc motors from www.lightflightrc.com. My friend has an Apparation,and by looking at our 2 hulls,they seem to be the same in the sponsons as far as room goes.And Arc 540 motors have 25mm and 19mm bolt patterns too.You can also use more rpm than what you posted in the poll as far as the Leopards go.Or prop up.32,523 isnt much for a twin drive.

So I looked at the arc motors and im really liking the 36-55s. I like the 2800kv but for 3s its going to get me in the 31k range and you say thats not enough for twins and 4s is over 40k so is 40k to much on twins or what kv rating should I get? The dual bolt pattern me likes a lot.

The leopard 2730 on 4s would yield around 39k, so better on 4s then 3s for this twin?

[Diesel6401]

The arc 36-55 1850 on 5s or 6s is looking good, I'm looking for saw style runs on this. Run time isn't a issue, but temps are a concern. Looking a x442 & x447s, but will start with cf40s & cf45s, not sure how the 55mm will handle a x447. The 36-65 2080 on 5s is another choice. I'm so confused lol....

[tiqueman]

From several discussions w/ Mudl, 55 length cans arent going to do what you want them to. From his findings, the difference between that size can in a BJ26, compared to a HOTR hull is A LOT of mph. I was going to put 3655 size motors in mine and he talked me out of it.

[forescott]

My ekos runs 38,600 unloaded rpms on 380- xl motors(2612kv) I only run it a few minutes at a time but they don't get hot. I think you can get away with pretty high kv motors on a twin cat. The load split between two motors allows for more rpm than the typical single setup.

[forescott]

I ran the ammo 2845's in the ekos on 4s. It ran pretty good. The feigao 380-xl's are pretty impressive too. Could be another option!

[Diesel6401]

From several discussions w/ Mudl, 55 length cans arent going to do what you want them to. From his findings, the difference between that size can in a BJ26, compared to a HOTR hull is A LOT of mph. I was going to put 3655 size motors in mine and he talked me out of it.

We all know how mudl's twin projects go, so with that being said i will not go with the 55mm can's lol, I do want to try to go with the arc motors though, I have never owned one before and kinda interested on trying them and I think the dual motor mount range is cool. How do you feel about the 36-65 can? The 2080kv on 5s will put me around the 38k range. So we can see the page I am looking at, it was listed in above post but I will re-list http://www.lightflightrc.com/


I ran the ammo 2845's in the ekos on 4s. It ran pretty good. The feigao 380-xl's are pretty impressive too. Could be another option!

Trying to stay away from the Feigao's though I would go with the leopard 380s as my fall back choice.

[LarrysDrifter]

I'm starting a build thread very soon with a 32" cat to replace ekos.I will be using Arc 36 55, 2800kv twins.ill be the test piggy for these motors.rpm will be 41440 on 4s.should run at least 65mph or so with the right props.

[Diesel6401]

I'm starting a build thread very soon with a 32" cat to replace ekos.I will be using Arc 36 55, 2800kv twins.ill be the test piggy for these motors.rpm will be 41440 on 4s.should run at least 65mph or so with the right props.

Will be following that. The nice part about the 55s is their price. The 36-65/75s are starting to get pretty high.

[LarrysDrifter]

They are a little high.I think the 55's will be fine,but tique and mudle know quite a bit.I try to build new set ups based on what's batteries I have.most of my stuff runs on 6s and my ekos ran on 4s.make sure to re enforce your hull good or it ll be in splitsville.

[Diesel6401]

They are a little high.I think the 55's will be fine,but tique and mudle know quite a bit.I try to build new set ups based on what's batteries I have.most of my stuff runs on 6s and my ekos ran on 4s.make sure to re enforce your hull good or it ll be in splitsville.

Yea those guys are good. I planned on re-enforcing with some extra layers of FG since I have so much of it laying around, think it will work or should I go CF? I hope I can just use this FG and be good :Praying:

[LarrysDrifter]

I always use fiberglass matting(not the chopped stuff) and fg resin.cheaper than cf and plenty strong.

[Diesel6401]

I always use fiberglass matting(not the chopped stuff) and fg resin.cheaper than cf and plenty strong.

sweet deal. Yea that's what I use. I do cut up small pieces of fg into the resin for small repairs though and to strengthen existing motor mounts. Based on your findings with the 36-55s will determine if I re-drill 25mm holes in the mounts though. If they work ok I will try those motors out, if not I will re-drill and slap on leopard 36-74 1900kv on 5s in the boat. That should rock! What esc you gonna run with those arc's and what kv rating you looking at?

[LarrysDrifter]

If your boat came with 380's,the 36 55's will bolt up.19mm is 380bolt pattern and 540 is 25mm.I'm reusing ekos mounts and going to make rear motor supports.my motors are 2800kv on 4s and using seaking 120's.

[Diesel6401]

If your boat came with 380's,the 36 55's will bolt up.19mm is 380bolt pattern and 540 is 25mm.I'm reusing ekos mounts and going to make rear motor supports.my motors are 2800kv on 4s and using seaking 120's.

I bought it in the swap shop, id imagine its the hk version so I'm sure its gonna have the 19mm bolt pattern which is y the 36-55s looked great for the price, bolt pattern and pole count. If mudl and tiq aren't sure they will work good that sucks. Waiting on your build to see what happens. What props you plan on running?

[LarrysDrifter]

Should start the build Sunday or Monday.using 36mm venom,38x55mm tfl,and x442's.id like to use outrunners,but I'm afraid they will run hot.I don't think motor mount cooling does much.ill try the arcs,and you can make your decision.I would have gotten the same kv, but in a 380,but they are out of stock.I kinda like to be the underdog and still put the hurtin on bigger motors and voltage.

[tiqueman]

Im only basing my comment on what was recommended, or not recommended, to me. I think Mudls advice is pretty darn powerful though seeing how is builds turn out. I wanted to copy his BJ26 twin build for my HOTR. His comment was it wouldnt be anything like the BJ and thats why he recommended a XL size can. BUT, it all depends on what your goals and expectations are..... 36-55s may be just what your looking for.

[blackcat26]

I agree with Tique the xl's are a little better suited. The L cans will work but xl's better. I was just choosing from the parameters you listed. Anyway get off your butt and buy the 10xl's that are in the swap shop as we speak........

[LarrysDrifter]

Not to take away from your thread Diesel-but damn!!,I bought the wrong motors?(36x55)

[BakedMopar]

Youd be better off with xl two poles than l's in four poles. Don't be affraid of the Feigaos. I have just as much bang for the buck with these than my big dollar boats.

JMHO

[tiqueman]

BAKED!!!! another darn good XL build in a Skunky hull :beerchug:

[LarrysDrifter]

Youd be better off with xl two poles than l's in four poles. Don't be affraid of the Feigaos. I have just as much bang for the buck with these than my big dollar boats.

JMHO

Thanks Baked.The 36x55's are already in the mail,so Ill use them.To get back to Diesels thread,I hope he buys the Feigao XL's.Id like to compare the two brands and two and four pole as well as length.Im sure both will do very well.Is Diesel still here?Havent heard from him.
Id also like to thank Tigue,BlackCat,Mudl,and Baked for thier twin information and suggestions.Im learning from this thread just as Diesel.

[Diesel6401]

I'm still here bud, just reading and been looking. I am leaning towards 540xl motors, but not feigaos (been down that road, want to move to next). I am leaning at leopard 36x74 1900kv motors with octura x442s with seaking 120's on 5s. The wife said the boat arrived today so once I get home I'll see what I have to work with. I wonder if the rpm will be too low though at around 35k, any thoughts on that?

By the way my goal here is low 60s and reliable.

PS. You not taking away, we both are building up the same hull and we can share our learnings, questions and findings on this thread.

[blackcat26]

Those rpm's will be fine and give you the speeds you are looking for.

[LarrysDrifter]

36x74's do sound tasty.I can believe I didnt look at the Leopards before I ordered the Arcs.I have 2 Leopard 40x82's in 1500kv and love em.I think you can get low 60's out of it easy.To me,reliability is what its about.My EKOS went 66mph and ruined the hull.Wont go down that road again without reinforcement.Hopefully my cat from Ben gets here tomorrow so I can stink up the garage with FG.

[Diesel6401]

36x74's do sound tasty.I can believe I didnt look at the Leopards before I ordered the Arcs.I have 2 Leopard 40x82's in 1500kv and love em.I think you can get low 60's out of it easy.To me,reliability is what its about.My EKOS went 66mph and ruined the hull.Wont go down that road again without reinforcement.Hopefully my cat from Ben gets here tomorrow so I can stink up the garage with FG.

Would cc1512s fit in the sponsons? I have one in the garage and thought about ordering another one before they sell out.

[LarrysDrifter]

Im not sure.Are they the same diameter as a 1515?If so,I have a Neu 1515 and it wouldnt fit the EKOS with the jacket.Order one more 1512 and get a Genesis from FighterCat and I know they will fit there.

[Diesel6401]

Im not sure.Are they the same diameter as a 1515?If so,I have a Neu 1515 and it wouldnt fit the EKOS with the jacket.Order one more 1512 and get a Genesis from FighterCat and I know they will fit there.

Yea they are same dia just shorter. Thanks, I was just curious.

[tiqueman]

Im only 1600 rpm more than what your expecting D. Mid low/ mid 60s should be no problem at all. And FYI, Im pulling about 90A peak. 442s detounged and tip cupped by egneg

[Diesel6401]

Im only 1600 rpm more than what your expecting D. Mid low/ mid 60s should be no problem at all. And FYI, Im pulling about 90A peak. 442s detounged and tip cupped by egneg

Hey thanks, my 120s should be fine then. I'm thinking about getting chuck to do mine for me soon as my rc cash flow builds up. I'm gonna grab some cf props to get me in the water though. I'm not use to buying doubles lol. And a eagle tree is on my list of goods!

[LarrysDrifter]

Im only 1600 rpm more than what your expecting D. Mid low/ mid 60s should be no problem at all. And FYI, Im pulling about 90A peak. 442s detounged and tip cupped by egneg

Do twin drives benfit from detounging and tip cupping?Ive heard its good for a hydro and rigger but havent heard anything about twins.

[tiqueman]

I ran only a sharpened and balanced set one time before I put the new props on. I never gpsd it w/ the original 442s. It runds great, has too much hole shot so I would imagine it would be even more w/ out the detongue. Cupped.. Id also imagine it helped... its helped all my other boats Ive tried it on. plus, now you motors are working a lot less being twin, so you can throw more at it

[Diesel6401]

Diesel Diesel Diesel.. Dont you remember my twin HOTR build thread.. Cmon man.. I thought you were better than that... :laugh:

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?t=13290

Twin 540s, 10XL, 6S, just over 70mph.


EDIT, oh theres more... I got excited and posted too soon... Mine is wired as Blackcats, 2-3S, seriesed to 6, the paralleled out to the EScs, BUT, if you run 4S or even 3S per motor, obviously theres enough room so run it to each seperately so youll get a longer run time. I actually just purchased two 4S 4000mah 40C packs that will just fit under the deck lip that Im going to run mine on. 70 is cool, but for the 1:30 sec saw runs, it will be alot more fun a little slower. My test runs will be this weekend on the new power provided the weather holds up.

What packs did you get? I think I am going to be screwed, the only packs I have for 5s is a 2s/3s 4000mah 40C turnigy. I don't think my packs are gonna put out enough amps, I would love to run 2x 5s in parallel but they just might not fit. The 3s 6000mah 25-50c nano-techs (http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11939) are in stock, but the 2s 6000mah (http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11938) aren't :ThumbsDown01: any other options? Are the rhino's pretty thin? Leaning towards 3674 1900kv leopard as well.

[Diesel6401]

Well I got the boat yesterday. Def needs some work. Still had the square drive portion of the flex stuck in the stingers. I removed those as well as the stuffing tube. 1 off the water tubes epoxy broke loose as well. I accomplised that yesterday, today at work (instead of working :spy:) I pulled the stingers out and removed the 4mm bushings and replaced them with some aeromarine 3/16 bushings. I was able to pull the outer bushing out with a easy out, then pounded the other bushings with a punch. I drilled out the stingers with a 1/4 bit and pressed the new bushings in. Not much room to drill in those things and you have to drill SUPER straight. You can see how big the new bushing is, the stock system came with 2 4mm bushings installed, i just installed 1 of the new bushings. I think it should be ok considering both old bushings are as long as one of my new ones. I will use the MG flexcables 1 cw, 1 ccw, thank you Proboat and HH!

[LarrysDrifter]

Looking good,Deisel.Where do you buy the Aeromarine bushings?Thinking about converting mine to 3/16 too.As far as batteries go,I have 2 Turnigy 4s 5000mah packs that fit snug in my EKOS sponsons.I dont know the dimensions,but maybe you can look on HK and compare mine to your 5s and you would have a better idea.I had to lay the batts on the floor,then slide them under the deck,then down into the sponsons.It worked good and kept the wieght lower than just laying them on the floor.

[Diesel6401]

I think these are the ones I ordered http://www.aeromarinerc.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=garden_flypage.tpl&product_id=284&category_id=79&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53, I want to run my esc's in the sponsons and batts on the floor. I think thats how tiq laid his out. I think he pointed me to the bushings a long time ago as well.

[Diesel6401]

Anyone ever try twin typhoon 1800kv outrunners?

[blackcat26]

Diesel, I think that the Typoons will be pretty under powered for that size hull.

[forescott]

I have the typhoon. Its pretty powerful for its size, but if going the outrunner route I would use the castle 1800kv's. They are slightly larger and only 40-bucks a piece with the castle sale.(plus I wanna see how well they work):biggrin:

[Diesel6401]

Diesel, I think that the Typoons will be pretty under powered for that size hull.

Ok thanks, what about the outrunners Forescott listed?


I have the typhoon. Its pretty powerful for its size, but if going the outrunner route I would use the castle 1800kv's. They are slightly larger and only 40-bucks a piece with the castle sale.(plus I wanna see how well they work):biggrin:

Those look badass, maybe a winner, let's see with the twin experts think. Good price that's for sure.

:popcorn2:

[BakedMopar]

I think chuck e cheese used the typhoon in his hotr cat and was running 50-60 if I recall correctly.

I'm no prop guru but I beleive de-toungued props has lees holeshot and more top end. But with twins you have twice the blade area so it doesn't make much matter. Adding cup and or pitch will redirect the thrust cone so you'll have more speed. Counter rotating props are limited in sizes so alot will be modified.

[blackcat26]

Baked, was that single drive or twin?

[BakedMopar]

I stand corrected it was 50-55 and motor was a t-600 not too sure if that's the same. Yes it was a single.



http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?t=17985&highlight=Copy+cat

[blackcat26]

T-600 is a whole nuther animule! That is a 3000w motor. At least double if not triple the power of the Typhoon.

[BakedMopar]

My bad. I'm not familiar with the HK outrunners. My little brain was thinking "T" = typhoon. Now back to your usuall programming.......lol

[LarrysDrifter]

The T-600 sounds sweet.Anyone have a link?Are they good for a twin set up?

[blackcat26]

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11980

Big heavy and powerful. Gonna need some room for the batteries this baby will use. I have one I bought in the swap shop and was gonna run in the Geico but dont have a 6mm to .150 coupler.

[ron1950]

without trying to steel the thread d,,,,how do u rate motors to see what rpm they will run etc? i am doing the same thing with a twin and dont have a clue what motors to use///

[LarrysDrifter]

Kv x voltage=rpm.Twins can usually run mid 30k rpm or up to 40k with a high quality motor with good bearings.

[ron1950]

ok thanks larrysdrifter 30k sounds like a good thing...wonder if two ul=1 motors would be worth a darn in a hotr on 2 4cells

[tunnelvision]

Looking good Diesel! Not sure how fast you want to go but I just installed the Leopard 2860 2730kv in my 25" Prince mono and it runs awesome. Setup is 3s 5000mah 30c Turnigy, 3/16drive /.150 flex spinning a x637 (for now) and hit 40mph with low temps. My batts were 94, esc 70 and motor was 80 after a 5 minute run. I like this Apparition hull and am wanting to get one. Can't wait to see the finished product. :thumbup:

[LarrysDrifter]

Got my 32" cat from Ben today!!!!Gonna start a build thread this evening.

[Diesel6401]

My bad. I'm not familiar with the HK outrunners. My little brain was thinking "T" = typhoon. Now back to your usuall programming.......lol


The T-600 sounds sweet.Anyone have a link?Are they good for a twin set up?


Diesel, I think that the Typoons will be pretty under powered for that size hull.


Just so all of us are on the same page this is the motor I have http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9258. I planned on using in a BJ26, but I also have suppo outrunner coming that I can use instead. Since i have one and they are priced cheap they may be worth a try. Once I open the motor mount to except 25mm bolt patterns the sky is the limit. It maybe worth a $50 try for fun. I love that outrunner sound!

Blackcat, Larry and Tiq. Did you guys looks at the CC outrunners Forescott posted yet. Opinions on those?!?

[blackcat26]

Diesel, you are killing us! Put some xl's on it or some Leopard 36mm and lets cook! I don't know about those outrunners castle sells because I didn't see any specs on em. If you want outrunners get Scorpion's. hk 3026 in 1400kv or 1600kv 0r 1900kv. They have proven power and Mudl has got 87mph out of his Genesis on em.

[Diesel6401]

Diesel, you are killing us! Put some xl's on it or some Leopard 36mm and lets cook! I don't know about those outrunners castle sells because I didn't see any specs on em. If you want outrunners get Scorpion's. hk 3026 in 1400kv or 1600kv 0r 1900kv. They have proven power and Mudl has got 87mph out of his Genesis on em.

HAHAHAHA, I am. Im putting Leopard 540xl's in (3674 1900kv on 5s). We can't cook, it's too damn cold. Which is why all the questions. Nothing else to do but discuss options and what not can't actually run anything yet. I like picking you guys in brain, gotta ask questions if you wanna learn :popcorn2:

PS got the mount, thank you good sir!

[ron1950]

diesel took your advise and will go with the 380 xl's at 2352kv on 4s2p thanks..see how it goes till it breaks lol....i am hopeing for 50mph....

[Diesel6401]

diesel took your advise and will go with the 380 xl's at 2352kv on 4s2p thanks..see how it goes till it breaks lol....i am hopeing for 50mph....

Those 380 10xl's should bolt right in Ron. I'm pretty sure the HOTR comes with 19mm bolt pattern so it should go in no problem. Will be a lot better then the stocker. The Venom ekos guys are using them with no problems.

[LarrysDrifter]

I ran the 380 9XL's in my EKOS on 4s.Ran very good.They used to be rated at 2612kv,but I think the kv ratings got changed.These motors dont have good high quality bearings for extended high rpm use,but Im sure Ron will do just fine with his 10XL's on 4s.

[blackcat26]

HAHAHAHA, I am. Im putting Leopard 540xl's in (3674 1900kv on 5s). We can't cook, it's too damn cold. Which is why all the questions. Nothing else to do but discuss options and what not can't actually run anything yet. I like picking you guys in brain, gotta ask questions if you wanna learn :popcorn2:

PS got the mount, thank you good sir!

Lol. Enjoy it and make us proud.

[ron1950]

diesel what is the latest? i got my twin abortion in the mail today...bought new off ebay ......came all busted up in the front sponsons...big chunks taken out of both sides. thank you usps....guess they saw those fragile signs and gave a little extra bouncing to the box...have to admit it was not packed well in the front....bummer as i dont work well with fiberglass...waiting to hear from the seller....he has good feedback so fa so we shall see..lol

[Diesel6401]

diesel what is the latest? i got my twin abortion in the mail today...bought new off ebay ......came all busted up in the front sponsons...big chunks taken out of both sides. thank you usps....guess they saw those fragile signs and gave a little extra bouncing to the box...have to admit it was not packed well in the front....bummer as i dont work well with fiberglass...waiting to hear from the seller....he has good feedback so fa so we shall see..lol

I'm waiting until after the holidays to get back into this project. I splurged on my old lady so I'm broke as a joke. I'll pull the motor mounts soon and re-drill them for 25mm motors. That's my next step. Sorry your hull came cracked, that blows!

[ron1950]

he insured it so have to get in touch with the post office tomorrow..never had much luck with them in past we shall see

[ron1950]

anyone know what brand esc the twin hotr comes with? i need the set up instructions for the 70a escs

[Diesel6401]

anyone know what brand esc the twin hotr comes with? i need the set up instructions for the 70a escs

Suppo's would be my best guess, but I'm not 100% sure http://www.suppomodel.com/ESC/Normal_Airplane_ESC__50A_and_above.pdf

[tiqueman]

Ron, is this what it looks like? http://cgi.ebay.com/Electronic-Speed-Controller-70A-ESC-water-cool-RC-boat-/300354276023?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item45ee828ab7

Diesel, is that the Suppo? Are they the same as Himodel? Heres the Himodel from Mudl for the Genesis esc, but aslo has a 70A version

Could be the same intrusctions.. I didnt compare..

[Diesel6401]

Ron, is this what it looks like? http://cgi.ebay.com/Electronic-Speed-Controller-70A-ESC-water-cool-RC-boat-/300354276023?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item45ee828ab7

Diesel, is that the Suppo? Are they the same as Himodel? Heres the Himodel from Mudl for the Genesis esc, but aslo has a 70A version

Could be the same intrusctions.. I didnt compare..

I'm pretty sure the some of the "Himodel" brand esc's are suppos. Not sure if all of them are though. The one you listed from ebay I believe is a Suppo sold by HOTR. Most of the artr we get from from China with the yellow wrap like that are suppo's. I know when I bought my Genesis from HK it had a suppo in looked like the one you pictured but it was the 125amp version.

http://www.suppomodel.com/

[tiqueman]

I saw that the instructions vary between the two. So try programming one Ron and see what happens.

[ron1950]

ya thats what they look like yellow heat shrink and all..

program? its all greek to me...anyway my batteries are 5.5 and the boat is still deans imatations

[Diesel6401]

I saw that the instructions vary between the two. So try programming one Ron and see what happens.

The one I listed before said boat/airplane. Maybe this one is different not sure. At work can't check it thoroughly. Iam actually working, somewhat :spy: lol

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SUPPO™ Speed Controller Programming Instructions
For Advance programmable Normal Boat ESC
70A/125A/200A ESC
Important Note: Some of these ESCs are Opto, without BEC to your Receiver,
you need extra power source for your receiver. You can use a UBEC, a voltage regulator,
or extra batteries as the power source for your receiver. If you hear the music tone repeat
again and again for more than 3 times, you may need to check your power source to the
receiver.
·Phrases 1 Enter programming Mode
1. Connect your motor and receiver to the speed controller, but do not connect the
battery yet.
2. Turn on your transmitter and move the throttle stick to the full throttle position (full
up). Please Note: Most Futaba transmitters have the throttle channel reversed by
default.
3. Connect your battery and the controller will initialize with a musical tone.
·Phrases 2 Programming
After 3 seconds, the motor will start beeping a sequence of tones – a musical tone followed
by one or more beeps. Each sequence represents a parameter that you can program and is
repeated 3 times. The parameters are:
♪—
Music Tone + 1
Beep
Options 1. Cell Type and No. of Cells
♪— —
Music Tone + 2
Beeps
Options 2. Throttle Setting
♪— — —
Music Tone + 3
Beeps
Options 3. Brake Setting
♪— — — —
Music Tone + 4
Beeps
Options 4. Direction and Cutoff Type
♪— — — — —
Music Tone + 5
Beeps
Options 5. Timing Mode
♪— — — — — －
Music Tone + 6
Beeps
Option 6. PWM setting
Step 1. Starting, Enter Sub-optins. When you hear the sequence for the parameter you wish to
program, move the throttle stick to the Center Position to Enter Sub-options.
The controller will then start beeping a Morse code sequence of short and long beeps
representing the possible options you may choose for the selected parameter. See table 2 for
a list of all programmable options. Each option sequence is repeated 3 times.
Step 2. Select and save, the select the option, move the throttle stick back to the

[ron1950]

i see a trip to fla in my future lol

[Diesel6401]

Well after a slow build finally done with this boat. The motor's I picked were 2 suppo 3126 1600kv outrunnes from ben. Props to start will be counter CF40's and CF45's on 5s/6s. Esc's are seaking/Turnigy marine 80HV's.

[tiqueman]

Lookin good D. I ran my twin HOTR at 730 am this am. Ive got a malfunction in the esc. I went from 6S to 4S, figuring it would run somewhere in the 40s. It went about 30. Then all the sudden it woke up and hauled the mail, then slowed again. I noticed when it was running slow it had a strange ride attitude. the starboard motor was shaking violently upon acceleration and not reving out. It was only turning about 3/4 power. I tried another motor on that side and its still doing it. So its the esc. :ThumbsDown01:

[Diesel6401]

Lookin good D. I ran my twin HOTR at 730 am this am. Ive got a malfunction in the esc. I went from 6S to 4S, figuring it would run somewhere in the 40s. It went about 30. Then all the sudden it woke up and hauled the mail, then slowed again. I noticed when it was running slow it had a strange ride attitude. the starboard motor was shaking violently upon acceleration and not reving out. It was only turning about 3/4 power. I tried another motor on that side and its still doing it. So its the esc. :ThumbsDown01:

Well that sucks bud. I can't wait to try this thing out.

[forescott]

Don't forget the vidio camera!:hornets_nest:

[ron1950]

diesel got my motors today mine will have 540 9 xl's and 125 esc's not sure what props will work with it any idears?

[tiqueman]

442s like I told ya buddy

[ron1950]

442's ok got ya u know i cant remember yesterdAy much less a week ago lol mind is going fast

[tiqueman]

Yeah I just told D, Ive got a case of CRS this week myself. Too much going on at once, cant keep my head straight.

[LarrysDrifter]

You guys are lucky to have none frozen water to run.Ive been dying to get a 2nd run on my silver cat with 442's.

[tiqueman]

Im doin some test and tune in the morning Larry. C'mon down, the waters warm!

[Diesel6401]

I wish the water was warm here. It's cold as hell outside.

Ron I am starting with CF40's if the temps are good I will try CF45's. Depending on how that testing goes I will either get some x442s run as is or get them cut to x440s and or s447's as is or cut to s445. All depends on the results. I think the x442's will end up being the winning ticket like you said Tiq.

[LarrysDrifter]

Nice build Diesel.Interesed to see how the temps are on the motors.Should run really good.

[Diesel6401]

Nice build Diesel.Interesed to see how the temps are on the motors.Should run really good.

Thanks!
Will post the results and hopefully video when the weather gets better. Only looking for a few quick saw style passes with this hull.

Don't forget the vidio camera!:hornets_nest:

:thumbup1:

[Diesel6401]

Got this thing in the water today and she ran good. Had some chop and a good bit on wind, but she handled it well. Gps said 53.8 which isn't that fast for a twin, but I was using CF40 props and temps where good, 110F on the motors after a 2.5m run esc was barely warm so I didn't even bother shooting the temps on it. Batts where 6000mah 25-50c nano-techs. Next test wil be with CF45s (big jump), I will only do a few passes then check the temps. Other than that I really enjoy this boat. Not bad for $19.99 motors...

[tiqueman]

I finally got a few runs w/ mine this past weekend on 4S. We are starting a 4S twin division at our club so my plan is to run this set up for now. I need to get it handling a bit better, its got some strange characteristics, apparently SAW set ups w/ cog etc is much different than oval running :laugh: But Ill get her dialed better than she is.

Heres a vid of the first run I think it was....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9o1nZseYxI

[Diesel6401]

I finally got a few runs w/ mine this past weekend on 4S. We are starting a 4S twin division at our club so my plan is to run this set up for now. I need to get it handling a bit better, its got some strange characteristics, apparently SAW set ups w/ cog etc is much different than oval running :laugh: But Ill get her dialed better than she is.

Heres a vid of the first run I think it was....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9o1nZseYxI

Yea I had the same problem. I almost rolled it going slow, so I turned the steering gain down to, and then even with the steering gain turned to 75% I did roll it lol. I may have to take it down further to say 50% but she looked so good, and those twin outrunners sounded awesome. I do have a small leak somewhere though. I will need to check that, I think it is coming from the right side sponson pickup. I had to epoxy that one in and it maybe leaking from the base.

GREAT vid and you had some good water conditions as well. What motors again? Nice Paint!