Castle 1717 motor with free water jacket

[Steven Vaccaro]

I have a 1717 for sale. Its brand new, I just installed and took pictures of it for the website and some bench testing. I'm selling it for $170 with a free water jacket plus shipping.

Paypal only. The catch is that I ask for feedback on the jacket under real life use.

[FighterCat57]

EDIT: Wont work for my application.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Removed, these are on sale at Castle for a large discount.

[Chuck E Cheese]

THAT SUCKS!!!!!!
it is a great deal but all the motors they have on sale are 1580kv, 1600kv and 1800kv... nothing spectacular for the boating world....

that is why i just got a 1415 1y and 1521 1.5d from you... ROCK ON STEVEN..... everyone should remember that it is worth a little extra cash to get the right product from a guy you like. great job!! thanks

[GP73]

Sorry to hear and thanks for the tip!

Just got 2... Now how about testing that water jacket? :biggrin:

[JMSCARD]

I just bought a 1512, a 1518, 1520, and a 1717!!! what a deal!!!!!! I don't even know what I am gonna use them in yet...lol...

[Rumdog]

I got 2 1520's and a 1717! Hey Steve, wanna sell me the 1717 jacket?

[Steven Vaccaro]

At this point I'm just pissed. I dont think I will be putting much time into water jackets for these motors any longer. I have three of the 1717 jackets. As is they are $25 each plus shipping. I pressure tested one on my faucet high enough to blow the input tubing from the jacket. It leaked a tad at that high of a pressure. That's the reason I wanted to see how one would perform on the water in real world testing. If someone wants them as is let me know?

[JMSCARD]

I got 2 1520's and a 1717! Hey Steve, wanna sell me the 1717 jacket?

No steve... me... me... me.... rumdog is just gonna use it in my old boat.... ain't fair...LOL!!!!!!!!!!

No but really I do want one.... do you have any for the 1518... the 1520.... or the 1512? I bought those too along with the 1717

[Rumdog]

I just bought 2 jackets for the 1520's from you Steve. How can I pay you for a 1717 jacket? It does suck bigtime for the dealers though. What's the deal, they weren't selling?

[JMSCARD]

Yeh I want the last 1520 jacket you have and also one of the 1518's and one of the 1717's steve.... also I notice you have a 1515 jacket... I wonder if this will fit a finned 1512.... anyway I want all four jackets or if the 1515 jacket wont fit a 1512 I want the 1518,1520, and the 1717 jackets.... How can we work this so they ship with one order as the 1717 aren't on your site... save me a 1717 jacket!!!

[Steven Vaccaro]

I'm going to cut my throat and match their price on 1717 1512 and 1518 motors. Then ditch the entire line.

[Rumdog]

Vultures!!

[GP73]

HEY!!! I was first in line for the 1717 jacket!!! :biggrin:

[FighterCat57]

One word; Leopard

It's what chinese do. Learn something and dominate the market with it.

I want a jacket too. =)

[JMSCARD]

Steve I've got the other two in my shopping cart ready to buy the 1518 jacket and 1520.... how do I add the 1717.... or do I just paypal you and you will throw it in the box?

[Raydee]

Hey I wonder why Castle is doing that??

[GP73]

OH come on now!!! Another one! :lol:

Just need one water jacket, I'll keep the other motor as a spare...

Pretty please? :biggrin:

[Steven Vaccaro]

Just in case anyone doubts things. Attached is an invoice from Castle. Its what dealers were paying, including myself. I hate looking like we were screwing people. And thats the feeling that I'm getting from pm's from a couple of guys. Not that I'm at all upset with the public. Its understandable. But Castle blindsided us with this.

[FighterCat57]

I'm going to cut my throat and match their price on 1717 1512 and 1518 motors. Then ditch the entire line.

That really sucks Steve.

I saw the sale this AM, when I was looking up specs on the 1717. I didn't post it out of respect but figured it would come up eventually. I wasn't sure how many they had on closeout, stock or what they were doing with their dealers.

Hopefully they will work out a dealer credit. :unsure:

[Steven Vaccaro]

My head is ready to blow. I'm also done with this topic for a while. Time to go to coach my sons football practice. Consider the jackets gone until I get back. JMS, Rum and GP get a 1717 jacket each. Its going to have to be separate than ose sales. Send me your order number by pm and I will send paypal instructions.

[Raydee]

What really sucks is I paid full price for my 1717 motor's and now they are worth *!***!***!***!**!

[JMSCARD]

I just made my order for other jackets steve.... and some connectors for the motors too.... I already had ordered my motors or I would have gladly got them from you..... if you can send me a paypal invoice for the 1717 jacket if I was quick enough to knab one to

jmshedd1@hotmail.com

I will pay for that instantly and if you could throw it in the box of my other stuff that would be fantastic... thanks again Steve for everything and I appologize I jumped so quick at buying them from castle....

[Steven Vaccaro]

What really sucks is I paid full price for my 1717 motor's and now they are worth *!***!***!***!**!

Email Castle. I did. I want to see you guys get great deals. But cutting dealers legs off isnt right.

[Raydee]

Email Castle. I did. I want to see you guys get great deals. But cutting dealers legs off isnt right.

I agree with you. I would like to see if they are having problems with them or something that would justify giving them away.

[JMSCARD]

I talked with them on the phone... said they moved to an all new facility and wanted to push out old inventory.... I bought a 1512,1518,1520,1717.

[FighterCat57]

One optimistic view on this is that there will be quite a few 1717's out in the field now and the demand for OSE cooling jackets just hit the roof.

JMSCARD- did they say how much stock they have left? How long they are going to be on clearance?

[JMSCARD]

They didn't say fightercat..

[calcagno45]

This is a quote from Patrick, owner of CC, about the sale:

This sale is on some of the motors that we have brought into stock, but haven't pushed a lot on the sales.

For example -- we have several hundred 1717s, 1518 and 1520 motors -- because they are not part of a "standard" combo, and they don't go through distribution, we don't sell a lot of these.

We are trying to reduce our inventory on these motors -- so we are going to "blow them out" at great prices.

Watch the website for more info -- coming soon.

Patrick



While we were extremely excited to hear this, we had no clue the prices would be this low. Even then, it was suggested that these motors be offered to the CC dealers like Steven and Mike at RC-M so they weren't undercut and they could reap some benefits as well.


These are some great motors and this is great deal for the consumer, however, its a dealers nightmare...

[m4a1usr]

I'm going to cut my throat and match their price on 1717 1512 and 1518 motors. Then ditch the entire line.


You got money for 1717 Steve. I'd rather buy from you, not that I have anything against CC but if your matching their prices its a no brainer. Only thing is I screwed up. Didnt order a coupler before I checked out. Anyways, you jus sold one 1717.

John

[Chuck E Cheese]

all i can say is i hope steves sons footbal team wins..... maybee you can teach them to take out some of your frustation on the other team this weekend.......

[johnnyoverkill]

Steven,

What John just posted holds for me too. I just ordered a 1717 from you - NOT Castle. I cannot pass on this deal, but my loyalty holds to you.

Thanks for all you have done for all of us. I hope that this doesn't cut into to you too deeply.

John

[johnf]

I was going to get the last 1520 Steven had, but i think Jason beat me to it. Lol

Steven, will you be getting any more jackets for the 1520s made? You vultures snagged all those too! Haha

[FighterCat57]

I was going to get the last 1520 Steven had, but i think Jason beat me to it. Lol

Steven, will you be getting any more jackets for the 1520s made? You vultures snagged all those too! Haha

Once again... bright side... I see an increasing market size for OSE cooling cans.. :thumbup1:

(I'd like one too... actually two 1717 cans and a 1520 can. )

[Diesel6401]

I just grabbed a 1518 didn't know steve was getting the bone. Like the above statment everyone is going to need cooling cans. Is their a 1512 can yet? I would like to buy one.

[johnf]

Once again... bright side... I see an increasing market size for OSE cooling cans.. :thumbup1:

(I'd like one too... actually two 1717 cans and a 1520 can. )

Agreed. I'd even pay extra for 1 if need be. Help recoup your losses. IMO, you should restock a bunch of cc/neus at these crazy cheap prices and mark em up 20 bucks. Lots of loyal customers here that I bet would get em from you even if castle is selling them for cheaper. They are hard not to grab at these prices.

[JMSCARD]

Money sent for my 1717 jacket... I appreciate it steve.... thanks again for the Best Service Anywhere!

[Steven Vaccaro]

Money sent for my 1717 jacket... I appreciate it steve.... thanks again for the Best Service Anywhere!

Got it Jason. See your email for more info.

[Steven Vaccaro]

I will have more ,1518, 1520 and 1717 jackets in a couple of weeks. The 1512 for some reason had a couple of different diameters of motors out there and no easy way to tell which one you had.

[driftah]

lol make some more jackets to recoup your losses the demand seems higher now,good luck bro sad story,rough deal

[johnf]

I will have more ,1518, 1520 and 1717 jackets in a couple of weeks. The 1512 for some reason had a couple of different diameters of motors out there and no easy way to tell which one you had.

AWESOME! Got a bunch of other little things I need but I'll hold off until these are back in.

[Rumdog]

$$ sent for the 1717 jacket Steven. Thank tiu!

[brian015]

I contacted Patrick del Castillo (president of Castle Creations) about this and he responded:

Hi Brian,

Steve just needs to contact Lee (lee@castlecreations.com) -- We'll give him a rebate so he can match our price during our sale, and not lose any $$$ on the deal.

Thanx!

Patrick

[FighterCat57]

I contacted Patrick del Castillo (president of Castle Creations) about this and he responded:

Hi Brian,

Steve just needs to contact Lee (lee@castlecreations.com) -- We'll give him a rebate so he can match our price during our sale, and not lose any $$$ on the deal.

Thanx!

Patrick

Rock on. That's more like it. :thumbup1:

[westbeach]

That's cool, but CC should have sent out memos to all their distributers/dealers of this price slash.


I contacted Patrick del Castillo (president of Castle Creations) about this and he responded:

Hi Brian,

Steve just needs to contact Lee (lee@castlecreations.com) -- We'll give him a rebate so he can match our price during our sale, and not lose any $$$ on the deal.

Thanx!

Patrick

[Steven Vaccaro]

Brian thanks for contacting Patrick. This past Friday I left a email to my rep and voice message for her.

Patrick did pm me directly. Thats a stand up guy and I appreciate this.

A letter or quick heads up email to dealers could have avoided me pulling the hair out of my head literally :cursing:. What got me steaming was the customer that just bought a Castle motor from me and called me a thief in an email. I work very hard at trying to be up front, honest and offer reasonable pricing with every customer. Calling me a thief is an insult I truly take to heart. Now that this customer has seen these threads and the invoice I posted, he's apologized we are good now.

Thanks for making this right Patrick :rockon2:

I'm off to running my sons Drifter and my Geico now. Have a good night.

[ray schrauwen]

Removed from sale.

Castle screwed the dealers on these and is now having a sale. You can buy them directly from Castle for $70 each. Thats almost $100 less than their dealer cost. Get them while you can.

Gotta link????

[ray schrauwen]

This sucks big time Steve, Too bad all your motors are gone for $70, I would have snagged one!

Forget them now....

[brian015]

Gotta link????

http://www.castlecreations.com/promos/motor_clearance/motor_clearance.html

[brian015]

That's cool, but CC should have sent out memos to all their distributers/dealers of this price slash.

I agree.

[ray schrauwen]

Thanks Brian but, I was going to get one from Steve if he had any left, I don;t need one that bad right now.

Maybe they will start carrying a line of Leopards?

[forescott]

I was going to get the last 1520 Steven had, but i think Jason beat me to it. Lol

Steven, will you be getting any more jackets for the 1520s made? You vultures snagged all those too! Haha

Actually, I got the last 1520. Always wanted to try one in something. Glad Steve isn't getting the shaft on this one. I believe this little fiasco is actually gonna jump-start a bunch of new projects, and may give OSE a little boost in sales despite all the confusion!

[Raydee]

I got a 1520 to try in my PT Stealth sport hydro...should be enough motor for it.

[Rumdog]

I got a 1520 to try in my PT Stealth sport hydro...should be enough motor for it.

Haha. Yeah, more than enough!

[Raydee]

Yep I decided to over motor it and run it on 6s1p and see if it stays cool.

[sailr]

I have never before seen Castle sell outrunner motors before. I don't see them anywhere else on their website. I do business with the Asians too. My guess is they ordered a big run and the motors didn't turn out well enough for them to claim them as their own. They'll probably get Leopard to build their motors now. At least Leopard has some pretty tight policies regarding the lowest price a dealer is allowed to sell their motors for.

[Raydee]

Castle had a large Brushless outrunner for heli's for sale at Irchar this year. They had it in a 700 size (90 nitro) heli.

[Brushless55]

I got a 1520 to try in my PT Stealth sport hydro...should be enough motor for it.

oh man! :w00t:

[Ub Hauled]

Steven, is there a way that they can buy the difference back from you, maybe in credit or dEEEEp discounts? It seem very poor biz conduct to cripple someone that sells their own products... I'd find it outrageous if they didn't...

[sailr]

I have bought my last Castle product as a result of how they are screwing over Steven and their other dealers. Bad move Patrick!

[johnf]

Steven, is there a way that they can buy the difference back from you, maybe in credit or dEEEEp discounts? It seem very poor biz conduct to cripple someone that sells their own products... I'd find it outrageous if they didn't...


I have bought my last Castle product as a result of how they are screwing over Steven and their other dealers. Bad move Patrick!

I'm pretty positive I saw in another thread here that Patrick will be refunding Steven the difference. Sucks, but could be a lot worse than that.

[Steven Vaccaro]

I have bought my last Castle product as a result of how they are screwing over Steven and their other dealers. Bad move Patrick!


Jim thanks for standing up for all of us, but this has been cleared up a few replies up in this thread. Patrick has said that they would take care of us. So thats a load off all of us. You can start buying Castle again. :bounce:
Especially the ice esc when it comes out as a Water version!:banana:

[FighterCat57]

Now all I need is some water jackets... =)

[JMSCARD]

Wow yours came quick eh??? Im excited now as mine may be at home... did you do ups or usps shipping..?

[cybercrxt]

I have 2 1717's and 2 1520's coming. I do hope the water coolers will be available again? Mike

[johnf]

Steven said he will be getting more of the 1520 coolers, not sure on the 1717s. That's the only reason I held off on getting one of those also.

[Brushless55]

Now all I need is some water jackets... =)

Awesome! :rockon2:
what shipping did you use?

[FighterCat57]

I just ordered friday morning... standard shipping. I was shocked when I opened the box. I ordered more later in the day and still don't have a shipping confirmation though...

[Brushless55]

I just ordered friday morning... standard shipping. I was shocked when I opened the box. I ordered more later in the day and still don't have a shipping confirmation though...

I talked with Castle just a few min. ago, and they told me they have had over 300 seperate orders on these motors in the past few days :w00t:
and now +1 ( mine ) :banana:

[johnf]

Did they give you any idea how many are left? I ordered a 1520 already, but am considering grabbing a 1518 also.

[Brushless55]

Did they give you any idea how many are left? I ordered a 1520 already, but am considering grabbing a 1518 also.

They did not say how many they had, the guy would not tell me..
I was told that the orders now could take a few days longer because their computers are having issues keeping up
I place an order for 4, and now deciding of what the heck to put them in :w00t:

[FighterCat57]

Did they give you any idea how many are left? I ordered a 1520 already, but am considering grabbing a 1518 also.

Hundreds... minus hundreds of orders... I wouldn't expect this to last much longer.

I'm really curious about the 34 38 1100KV Outrunner. I can't find the specs on it anywhere.

[Brushless55]

Hundreds... minus hundreds of orders... I wouldn't expect this to last much longer.

I'm really curious about the 34 38 1100KV Outrunner. I can't find the specs on it anywhere.

I would like to know the specs to..
I see a few outrunners I would like to try in some 3D planes :banana:

[FighterCat57]

I would like to know the specs to..
I see a few outrunners I would like to try in some 3D planes :banana:

I need a pair to handle 6s/2000 watts. (Twin Cat! )

[m4a1usr]

Got my motor today. Very fast shipping. Thank you Steve!

John

[johnnyoverkill]

Got my motor today. Very fast shipping. Thank you Steve!

John

And mine arrived today as well Steven. As always, thank you for the great service!

John

[FighterCat57]

I would like to know the specs to..
I see a few outrunners I would like to try in some 3D planes :banana:

We do not have any additional information available for the outrunner motors. These were limited run motors and no additional information is available to us. The are comparable to other motors in the same size, like an Axi or Scorpion motor. I apologize we do not have any additional information.
---
Thomas Porfert
Product Specialist
Castle Creations

Guess I'll get two and burn them up. Then have some specs to work with. :w00t:

[sailr]

Glad to hear Patrick came through. Have to agree he should have given all of us Castle dealers a heads up though! I AM anxious for the ICE H20!




Jim thanks for standing up for all of us, but this has been cleared up a few replies up in this thread. Patrick has said that they would take care of us. So thats a load off all of us. You can start buying Castle again. :bounce:
Especially the ice esc when it comes out as a Water version!:banana:

[FighterCat57]

Heh, Just a heads up, Castle messed up the early friday morning 1717 motor shipments. They sent the 1717 air version by mistake. I have the air version here, they are going to send one out and swap it.

[johnf]

As many motors as they are probably moving right now, I can see that happening. I know the guys at RC monster have been scooping them up too.

[JMSCARD]

Heh, Just a heads up, Castle messed up the early friday morning 1717 motor shipments. They sent the 1717 air version by mistake. I have the air version here, they are going to send one out and swap it.

I got the air version also...:( they are supposed to ship the right one out tommorrow...

[FighterCat57]

I got the air version also...:( they are supposed to ship the right one out tommorrow...

They said the sales girls are frazzled busy... I'll bet this mix up didn't help.

I had a second order that was completely missed, so if you placed an order but didn't get an invoice yet, contact them, it might have been floating in their system.

[Brushless55]

So what happens if they send the air versions and they have no more of the others to swap?
I have two 1717s on their way..

[westbeach]

Yeah, looks like its widespread. Whoever setup the Sale page got the part numbers all mixed up. I have ordered 2 1717, and they sent the air version. Now I gotta send those back to CC. :doh:

[FighterCat57]

So what happens if they send the air versions and they have no more of the others to swap?
I have two 1717s on their way..

A sales nightmare... and not-so happy customers.

Although, knowing Castle... they would offer an equivalent.

[m4a1usr]

A sales nightmare... and not-so happy customers.

Although, knowing Castle... they would offer an equivalent.

Could be. Just remember that the motors we purchased came with no warranty. You get a junker out of the box and if you didnt cut the wires or grind on the case or somehow modify it you just might qualify for a refund. But I doubt a replacement is in our future.

John

[K.R.Joye]

You may as well call in your order sounds like they are screwing up on all the 1717 1580kv motor orders.

[westbeach]

Technically, the part numbers for the 1717 cat motor was entered wrong into the system, therefore everyone who ordered online via CC got the airplane motor instead of the car version. Data entry error!!


You may as well call in your order sounds like they are screwing up on all the 1717 1580kv motor orders.

[Brushless55]

Technically, the part numbers for the 1717 cat motor was entered wrong into the system, therefore everyone who ordered online via CC got the airplane motor instead of the car version. Data entry error!!

isnt the air version the same as what we want?
couldn't we just use them without issues? :confused1:

[westbeach]

The air version has air holes in the front of the motor, but most significant difference is the can, it has two flat spots milled into the fins. Whether or not the water jacket will fit without leak is the big issue!


isnt the air version the same as what we want?
couldn't we just use them without issues? :confused1:

[Brushless55]

The air version has air holes in the front of the motor, but most significant difference is the can, it has two flat spots milled into the fins. Whether or not the water jacket will fit without leak is the big issue!

so the water jacket could have an issue on this motor?
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/filmmaker2009/17xx-air.png

[Rumdog]

Definately will not work! KV is a little diff. too

[Brushless55]

I was just going to say the kv is 80 less
but wouldn't the cooler work just fine?

[JMSCARD]

No it won't work look at the flat spots on the finned can.... That's what the "O" ring sits on... Looks to me like it would t be worth trying.... I am sending mine back and getting the right motor... Also there is something about the wiring too... Apparantly you can't shorten the motor leads either... Not that I would want to but here are several differences... Plus I want 1580kv as I want to spin a big prop on 5s2p... That last 80kv I want!! Lol:):)

[Brushless55]

No it won't work look at the flat spots on the finned can.... That's what the "O" ring sits on... Looks to me like it would t be worth trying.... I am sending mine back and getting the right motor... Also there is something about the wiring too... Apparantly you can't shorten the motor leads either... Not that I would want to but here are several differences... Plus I want 1580kv as I want to spin a big prop on 5s2p... That last 80kv I want!! Lol:):)

Wouldn't the O-Rings seat right?
what are the extra 80kv going in :biggrin:

[keithbradley]

Wouldn't the O-Rings seat right?
what are the extra 80kv going in :biggrin:

You must not be seeing that flat spot??? Its not a round can so no, the o rings wouldnt work.:sorry:

[Brushless55]

You must not be seeing that flat spot??? Its not a round can so no, the o rings wouldnt work.:sorry:

the fins are ground to the can not the can ground with a flat spot :popcorn2:
so if the o-rings seat to the can it should work, but if it needs the fins to seal then it will not work
and the fins are not 100% ground to the can, there is just a small amount left on the two sides

[old guy]

would this work in a 1/10th scale twin wing 1717-1580KV
Old Guy

[ray schrauwen]

I would say so... and then some on 5 or 6S

[keithbradley]

the fins are ground to the can not the can ground with a flat spot :popcorn2:
so if the o-rings seat to the can it should work, but if it needs the fins to seal then it will not work
and the fins are not 100% ground to the can, there is just a small amount left on the two sides

I guess maybe you could machine ALL the cooling fins off and use a leopard jacket or something...I dont think anyone makes a jacket that seals between the fins though.

[westbeach]

I think you could make a jacket work, but you would have to jb weld or something where the flat spot meets the oring. Or a real thick bead of RTV around the oring.

[Brushless55]

I just got an email saying "all orders made in the last 7 days will be shipped by 10/01/2010" :huh:

[FighterCat57]

I just got an email saying "all orders made in the last 7 days will be shipped by 10/01/2010" :huh:

Yeah not surprising. The sound of people chatting was quite high when I talked to them and there were several interruptions during conversation. I'd say they are BUSY!

Still, it's worth waiting a week for such a deal IMO.


BTW- the flat spot in the fins will cause the O-ring to roll and will tear as you're slipping the can on. The fins hold the small o-rings in place. There's no way to hold them while they are being compressed during installation. They will just roll and tear.

Ask me how I know. :doh:

[JMSCARD]

Wouldn't the O-Rings seat right?
what are the extra 80kv going in :biggrin:

Ha ha... the extra 80kv are gonna get me just that little bit more rpm... I currently run my mean machine on a 1500kv 1515 1.5y on 5s mostly.... so I am going to use a larger prop with the 1717 and spin the prop 1680 more times a minute too...lol..

[Brushless55]

Ha ha... the extra 80kv are gonna get me just that little bit more rpm... I currently run my mean machine on a 1500kv 1515 1.5y on 5s mostly.... so I am going to use a larger prop with the 1717 and spin the prop 1680 more times a minute too...lol..

Oh man!
a 1717 in a Mean Machine :rockon2:
maybe I should try one of the 1520's I bought and run it in my Mean Machine on 5s2p :tongue_smilie:

[Brushless55]

Yeah not surprising. The sound of people chatting was quite high when I talked to them and there were several interruptions during conversation. I'd say they are BUSY!

Still, it's worth waiting a week for such a deal IMO.


BTW- the flat spot in the fins will cause the O-ring to roll and will tear as you're slipping the can on. The fins hold the small o-rings in place. There's no way to hold them while they are being compressed during installation. They will just roll and tear.

Ask me how I know. :doh:

I will watch for that
and I just got off the phone with Castle, my motors are shipped and they are all the car motors! :banana:

[keithbradley]

I just got my motors...(2) 1520's (Hmm..what would one do with 2 identical motors)...:spy: and One 1717-1Y. The BOX for the 1717 says "1717-1Y 1580kv. However, open the box, and the motor inside is clearly marked "1717-1y 1500kv"....flat spots on the sides...holes in the ends....:doh: I got the air version.:ohmy:

[FighterCat57]

I just got my motors...(2) 1520's (Hmm..what would one do with 2 identical motors)...:spy: and One 1717-1Y. The BOX for the 1717 says "1717-1Y 1580kv. However, open the box, and the motor inside is clearly marked "1717-1y 1500kv"....flat spots on the sides...holes in the ends....:doh: I got the air version.:ohmy:

Yep. Everybody that ordered did. Just call them and they will swap it. Make sure to call though, they are quite backlogged on email.

I just got my 17's swapped out and am still waiting on a 1520 from 9/24. One of my orders was mixed up and another was completely overlooked. Email from them said they were shipped, when in fact, it hadn't been processed at all. They havin sum issues with their clearance orders... :huh:

BTW- also found out the 34-38 outrunner was a typo and doesn't exist. It's been removed from their order page...

[Jesse J]

I just made me a $4 water jacket for the 1717 1Y. more if you don't have gasket material or silicone on hand. Less if you do and are not above robbing nipples.

Here are the ingredients:

Go to hardware store and get a 3" chunk of 2" diameter PVC pipe (have them cut it so ends are square ($0.20 at Ace).
If you don't have any, get some 1/16" gasket material (automotive store - super cheap and a must have for any boating supply cabinet (maybe $5)
Get some clear silicon caulk (another must) ($3-4)
and then the expensive part, two nipples (http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=ham-brass-fitting).

I used 1/8" drill bit to make my water nipple holes and robbed a couple nipples off a spare water jacket and screwed em in - you could also use bits of K&S tubing. You have all the choices in the world on where to put your nipples - offset or inline.

Ok, so you have a total of 1/8" play around the can and that is where the gasket material comes in; you slip in two small strips (1' by .25") front and two in back on opposing sides (obviously not on the flat spots). This makes for a slightly snug, but not tight fit - basically centering motor in tube. Now, carefully rim the openings of front and back with your silicone and let set for 4hrs - make sure it makes a seal (once it is starting to cure, you can block one of the nipples and suck on the other to see if it is sealed). I made my "can" line up perfectly with the front of the motor. I ran it today in my 45" cat with an X447 prop on 6S2P and motor got warm but not hot, so I'd say she worked fine! I can post up some pics if people would like.

[FighterCat57]

I just made me a $4 water jacket for the 1717 1Y. more if you don't have gasket material or silicone on hand. Less if you do and are not above robbing nipples.

Here are the ingredients:

Go to hardware store and get a 3" chunk of 2" diameter PVC pipe (have them cut it so ends are square ($0.20 at Ace).
If you don't have any, get some 1/16" gasket material (automotive store - super cheap and a must have for any boating supply cabinet (maybe $5)
Get some clear silicon caulk (another must) ($3-4)
and then the expensive part, two nipples (http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=ham-brass-fitting).

I used 1/8" drill bit to make my water nipple holes and robbed a couple nipples off a spare water jacket and screwed em in - you could also use bits of K&S tubing. You have all the choices in the world on where to put your nipples - offset or inline.

Ok, so you have a total of 1/8" play around the can and that is where the gasket material comes in; you slip in two small strips (1' by .25") front and two in back on opposing sides (obviously not on the flat spots). This makes for a slightly snug, but not tight fit - basically centering motor in tube. Now, carefully rim the openings of front and back with your silicone and let set for 4hrs - make sure it makes a seal (once it is starting to cure, you can block one of the nipples and suck on the other to see if it is sealed). I made my "can" line up perfectly with the front of the motor. I ran it today in my 45" cat with an X447 prop on 6S2P and motor got warm but not hot, so I'd say she worked fine! I can post up some pics if people would like.

Yeah, why not? I've seen quite a few home made cooling cans and as long as you get water around the motor... go for it!

You can also use a piece of tubing as a nipple, just drill at an angle and glue it in place. :thumbup1:

[johnf]

Yeah my 1520 order came in as a 1512 yesterday.. Hope they have more 1520s laying around.

[ray schrauwen]

I not above robbing nipples.

.

Really....

[old guy]

who is paying for all of these returns for the wrong motors being shipped:confused1:

[ray schrauwen]

They are.

[Brushless55]

I just made me a $4 water jacket for the 1717 1Y. more if you don't have gasket material or silicone on hand. Less if you do and are not above robbing nipples.

Here are the ingredients:

Go to hardware store and get a 3" chunk of 2" diameter PVC pipe (have them cut it so ends are square ($0.20 at Ace).
If you don't have any, get some 1/16" gasket material (automotive store - super cheap and a must have for any boating supply cabinet (maybe $5)
Get some clear silicon caulk (another must) ($3-4)
and then the expensive part, two nipples (http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=ham-brass-fitting).

I used 1/8" drill bit to make my water nipple holes and robbed a couple nipples off a spare water jacket and screwed em in - you could also use bits of K&S tubing. You have all the choices in the world on where to put your nipples - offset or inline.

Ok, so you have a total of 1/8" play around the can and that is where the gasket material comes in; you slip in two small strips (1' by .25") front and two in back on opposing sides (obviously not on the flat spots). This makes for a slightly snug, but not tight fit - basically centering motor in tube. Now, carefully rim the openings of front and back with your silicone and let set for 4hrs - make sure it makes a seal (once it is starting to cure, you can block one of the nipples and suck on the other to see if it is sealed). I made my "can" line up perfectly with the front of the motor. I ran it today in my 45" cat with an X447 prop on 6S2P and motor got warm but not hot, so I'd say she worked fine! I can post up some pics if people would like.

Pics Jesse! :beerchug:

[ray schrauwen]

YOu can get o-rings to fit...

[carnalito]

What about aluminum tubing, coiling it around it would that work??

[ray schrauwen]

Yes but, copper would be better. I used to put heat shrink around those so they conduct heat better.

[Jesse J]

Yes but, copper would be better. I used to put heat shrink around those so they conduct heat better.

ya and then might as well goop it up with thermal paste before the heat shrink to help with the poor contact with the can.

the pvc is really super easy... I could even make some and sell em :huh: just add sillycone.

[K.R.Joye]

Anybody track down #of poles & Max Watt rating for the 1717s?

I posted some ?s on RCForums MFRs`Castle thread' but no answers yet.

[Diegoboy]

I'm going to move this thread as it has grown into a disscussion. instead of a sale

[Brushless55]

Anybody track down #of poles & Max Watt rating for the 1717s?

I posted some ?s on RCForums MFRs`Castle thread' but no answers yet.

I've not found any info on the 1717 but the 1520 is a 4 pole motor, constant watt rating of 1750 and burst of 3500watts
so maybe 10-15% more for the 1717? :huh:

[keithbradley]

I've not found any info on the 1717 but the 1520 is a 4 pole motor, constant watt rating of 1750 and burst of 3500watts
so maybe 10-15% more for the 1717? :huh:

I am looking forward to finding out more about these as well. The 1717 isnt a Neu design like the other motors, its castle's creation:huh: I dont know if that even means much but I guess I will find out as I have one to test. It just seems odd to me to have 2 motors of roughly the same kv, and the same Amp rating. According to how theyre rated, the 1717 and the 1520 should perform quite similar...I dont know that they will and cant say I put a lot of stock into their ratings.

[Brushless55]

I am looking forward to finding out more about these as well. The 1717 isnt a Neu design like the other motors, its castle's creation:huh: I dont know if that even means much but I guess I will find out as I have one to test. It just seems odd to me to have 2 motors of roughly the same kv, and the same Amp rating. According to how theyre rated, the 1717 and the 1520 should perform quite similar...I dont know that they will and cant say I put a lot of stock into their ratings.

keep us posted.. :thumbup1:

[FighterCat57]

So... I got ANOTHER air motor... in a car motor box... Even after calling to confirm..

Pretty messed up stuff going on there. Anyhow... I was thinking... it might be better for a boat? It's open, so will allow more air flow for better cooling...

I was thinking of running it without a jacket and just using it moderately? Any thoughts on that?

[Rumdog]

Throw a fan in front of it. It may cool better than the enclosed version with a jacket.

[keithbradley]

It has a different shaft, different mounting holes, the flat spots ground in the fins, and the holes in the endbells. It also may be a 2 pole motor...Im not sure by any means but it definitely doesnt feel the same as the other Neu/castle motors when you turn the shaft.

Not that any of that is a deal-breaker...Just making sure you noticed all of this stuff.

[FighterCat57]

Throw a fan in front of it. It may cool better than the enclosed version with a jacket.

Well, I have one of each, so it's worth a shot! Worst case, I goop up a cooling can on it! :laugh:

Anyone have a link to good cooling fans? Should be able to buy a handful of them cheap in the right place.

[johnf]

Ben, I talked with Thomas porfet about that same issue. My 1520 order came in as a 1512 in a 1520 box. I told him about it and he said they hired a temp to box all the motors. He called the warehouse and found the temp had mixed up some motor and box combos. He said they will be checking all of them in the warehouse. Can't imagine that temp will have the option to stay on.lol

[FighterCat57]

It has a different shaft, different mounting holes, the flat spots ground in the fins, and the holes in the endbells. It also may be a 2 pole motor...Im not sure by any means but it definitely doesnt feel the same as the other Neu/castle motors when you turn the shaft.

Not that any of that is a deal-breaker...Just making sure you noticed all of this stuff.

That would be my only concern.. if it's a less powerful motor. Although I would think that the air version would have more torque for a propeller so it would have more poles?

It does spin easier than most though. I did notice the bolt pattern, but it still fits my mount.

IDK... It's headed for an Osprey... so guess it doesn't matter too much. :biggrin:

[johnf]

Did you happen to see the thread about the neu 1527 I had? It was much easier to spin by hand than my 1521 or 1515.

[FighterCat57]

Did you happen to see the thread about the neu 1527 I had? It was much easier to spin by hand than my 1521 or 1515.

Yeah, something about the winds IIRC..

[johnf]

Ya. Point being, a 1527 is a beast. The difficulty of turning the shaft must not coincide with motor power, according to the replies I was getting.... Btw,I got that servo. Thanks again bud!

[Rumdog]

Yeah, the turning by hand means nothing. My 1527 1.5d and 2215 1y turned much more easily than a 1515 1y. I mean, a proboat BJ motor is harder to turn by hand than any of em.

[FighterCat57]

Ya. Point being, a 1527 is a beast. The difficulty of turning the shaft must not coincide with motor power, according to the replies I was getting.... Btw,I got that servo. Thanks again bud!

Yeah, but I like not being able to spin the shaft, it adds to the machismo!

I put a new connector in the bag for ya. Hope you found it. Like my inventive packaging? Keeps costs down. :thumbup1:

[johnf]

Yeah, but I like not being able to spin the shaft, it adds to the machismo!

I put a new connector in the bag for ya. Hope you found it. Like my inventive packaging? Keeps costs down. :thumbup1:

Lmao!

I did see the connector, very cool of you!

[Brushless55]

The can on the Heli version is a tad smaller and the shaft spins just a bit easier than the car version

[JMSCARD]

Yeh... I got a bunch of the motors from castle.... my first 1717 came as a Air version too.... I got the buggy version a few days ago but I think i will keep the air version too.... for the $70 I mine as well keep it too... a sale like this will never come around again...... Like rum says the air version will probably work fine with a big cpu fan flowing on her..... but on the castle website it tells you the air versions motor wires cant be shortened... I wonder why???

[FighterCat57]

Yeh... I got a bunch of the motors from castle.... my first 1717 came as a Air version too.... I got the buggy version a few days ago but I think i will keep the air version too.... for the $70 I mine as well keep it too... a sale like this will never come around again...... Like rum says the air version will probably work fine with a big cpu fan flowing on her..... but on the castle website it tells you the air versions motor wires cant be shortened... I wonder why???

They are winding wires and will affect the Kv and resistance if shortened. The car versions stop the windings at the case and use 10 ga leader wires that can be any length.

[ray schrauwen]

Steve Neu said that motors that turn easier were of a more efficeint version. Maybe?

[BakedMopar]

Yeh...but on the castle website it tells you the air versions motor wires cant be shortened... I wonder why???

They use different type of wires. The air version has a coating on the wires and the car one doesn't.

[lectriglide]

Well, I have one of each, so it's worth a shot! Worst case, I goop up a cooling can on it! :laugh:

Anyone have a link to good cooling fans? Should be able to buy a handful of them cheap in the right place.


These are big blowers if you have the room. Use them on my buggy connected to the balancing plug.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140441414659&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

[forescott]

How bout one of these??

[JMSCARD]

How bout one of these??

Ha ha...scott you might just have something there...lol.... I am gonna track one down!!!

[forescott]

A-main hobbies....$11.25 http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/167/cPath/1_221_580/products_id/160970/n/Castle-Creations-CC-Blower-Fan-Shroud

[GeoVW72]

The castle blowers (http://www.castlecreations.com/products/cc_blower.html) are for the 15 series motors.
8mm difference in can diameter, it may fit with some work.
FrozenCPU has a good selection of 5v fans (http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l2/g36/c231/list/p1/Fans-5_Volt_Fans.html) that you can run off the receiver.

[forescott]

I figured for 11-bucks it would be worth a try. They only use zip ties to hold them in place. :noidea:

[forescott]

Plus, I think the design is cool. (no pun intended!)

[keithbradley]

You would want a fan blower air through the holes in the front of the motor, not on the case.

[FighterCat57]

The castle blowers (http://www.castlecreations.com/products/cc_blower.html) are for the 15 series motors.
8mm difference in can diameter, it may fit with some work.
FrozenCPU has a good selection of 5v fans (http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l2/g36/c231/list/p1/Fans-5_Volt_Fans.html) that you can run off the receiver.

Nice. Case fans. :biggrin:

http://www.buyextras.com/dc5vfaforlan.html

[Akoni]

Steven do you have an updated ETA for the cooling jackets for the 1520's and 1717's? Thanks.

[Make-a-Wake]

Steven do you have an updated ETA for the cooling jackets for the 1520's and 1717's? Thanks.

I was just gonna post the same question............i bet there's a bunch of us with 1717's that cant run 'em................ Hopefully they will be in soon:Peace_Sign:

[FighterCat57]

I've just decided to run two of the air versions without a can and see how it plays out. Have two 40mm fans ready to install in front of them and use the OSE standard aluminum mounts. =)

Problem solved. He he.

[Rumdog]

Fighter, forgot to tell ya that I got all of my motors yesterday. Even the 1520 from Castle showed. The cans are incorrectly etched. They read 1500kv instead of 1600. Castle put a apology sticker on the box. HAHA

[westbeach]

Would like to know as well. Thanks


Steven do you have an updated ETA for the cooling jackets for the 1520's and 1717's? Thanks.

[Brushless55]

I figured for 11-bucks it would be worth a try. They only use zip ties to hold them in place. :noidea:

for as cheap as they are, this could be a good way to go..
if the motor is getting to hot anyway, maybe things are proped up to much :huh:

[FighterCat57]

Fighter, forgot to tell ya that I got all of my motors yesterday. Even the 1520 from Castle showed. The cans are incorrectly etched. They read 1500kv instead of 1600. Castle put a apology sticker on the box. HAHA

Wow. They've got some issues over there! At least ya got em. :thumbup1:


The little blower fan's are silly. 3 cfm I think? You can get a real fan that moves about 10cfm or more and just mount it next to the motor for less than $12. I have a couple of their little blower fans and I've replaced the internal fans with faster ones, but still limited to 5cfm with a 30mm fan. They use 30x30 fans and the mount can go up to 10mm deep.

[forescott]

I've got my trigger finger ready for one of those 1520 jackets. I gotta get one before the rest of you vultures take em all! :tt2:

[keithbradley]

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/keithbradley/100_1872.jpg

Castle/Neu 1520-1y on OSE Leopard motor mounts with 1515 OSE jacket. Im not sure how everyone plans on mounting their 1520's but for my mount the 1515 jacket worked out perfectly. I think it covers enough of the motor to make me happy.:biggrin:

I machined of two of the last 3 fins on the back of the motor and the Leopard rear mounts fit perfectly. (They will not work with the carbon or glass sides of the leopard mounts though, the rear holes are too far from the front ones.)

[forescott]

Looks good! the 1515 cooler covers more of the can than I thought.

[sailr]

We need motor mounts for the 5692!!

[ray schrauwen]

Etamiya sells mounts that fit.

[westbeach]

Keith, have you tested the jacket to see if it leaks?? This might be the best solution for the Castle 1520 motors. My purchase is pending on your test results!LOL :laugh:


http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/keithbradley/100_1872.jpg

Castle/Neu 1520-1y on OSE Leopard motor mounts with 1515 OSE jacket. Im not sure how everyone plans on mounting their 1520's but for my mount the 1515 jacket worked out perfectly. I think it covers enough of the motor to make me happy.:biggrin:

I machined of two of the last 3 fins on the back of the motor and the Leopard rear mounts fit perfectly. (They will not work with the carbon or glass sides of the leopard mounts though, the rear holes are too far from the front ones.)

[keithbradley]

I havent yet. I could do a bench test but as far as real world testing it will be a little bit. These are going in a twin cat build I am doing and at this point I am still waiting for the hull to arrive.
There's no reason they should leak though...every dimension is the same on this motor (compared to 1515s) other than length.

[Rumdog]

I've used this can on the 1518 without issue. Like Keith said, the dimensions are exact, besides length. Waiting for my new hull that will be getting 2 1520's as well!

[westbeach]

Thanks Keith and Nick, order placed for the 1515 jackets! I have my Hpr115 ready to be maiden soon with twin 1520's on 6S.

[FighterCat57]

Any update on the ETA of the 1717 can? If? When?