540 XL vs 580 L vs neu castle vs neu

[video200]

getting realy currius.

how much of a difference are there between the motors ? and is the difference in chost realy worth it for a sport runner ?

with OSE beeing out of the 12 XL i was looking for earlyer i had time to explore the alternatives. but are the chost of a neu 1515 worth it compared to a 540 XL ?

klaus

ps :sorry: for my mutilation of the english language

[Raydee]

The 1515 Neu motor will run cooler than a Feigao and will run for a longer time on a charge because they are very efficient. The Castle/Neu motors are a little cheaper and I was told there is just a minor performance difference between them and a actual Neu 1515. For the money I would go with the Castle/Neu if you are a sport runner.

The 12XL motor and the Neu 1515 don't compare, the 1515 is 2200KV so keep that in mind too, the 7XL motor is more of a comparison to the 1515. I have owned both and while the 7XL was fast it rn way hotter and could not turn a larger prop like the Neu could.

[Jeff Wohlt]

I am kinda liking these.

http://www.lightflightrc.com/HTML/products/ARC-36-65&75mm.htm

[Raydee]

Hmm I bought one of the ARC motors for my flying wing, from what I hear they are nice motors.

[video200]

The 1515 Neu motor will run cooler than a Feigao and will run for a longer time on a charge because they are very efficient. The Castle/Neu motors are a little cheaper and I was told there is just a minor performance difference between them and a actual Neu 1515. For the money I would go with the Castle/Neu if you are a sport runner.

The 12XL motor and the Neu 1515 don't compare, the 1515 is 2200KV so keep that in mind too, the 7XL motor is more of a comparison to the 1515. I have owned both and while the 7XL was fast it rn way hotter and could not turn a larger prop like the Neu could.

i was looking at the 1515 1.5y is also 1500kv so they should be able to compare in rpm but the neu is a better motor for shure. but is it worth 3X as much.

[Raydee]

Depends on the person I guess, they are to me but not to others. After running Neu's in my hulls I can't see running anything else.

[video200]

i havent been running any of the high end motors. but i am connsidering it more and more.
and a neu seems like a better choise then the german motors even with the low € now a days

[Steven Vaccaro]

The castle motors have been doing real well in boats.

[Make-a-Wake]

"but is it worth 3X as much."

Considering i fried a 580L and a KB45, then went to a 15271Y with a larger prop, im gonna say yes, they are worth it...........stupid low temps and lots of power.

[Raydee]

Hey Steven, any plans for a cooling jacket for the 1717 motors?

[video200]

The castle motors have been doing real well in boats.

but OSE dont reccomend them over 4s lipo :(
but sinse you "online" steven. when do you exspect the neu 1515 1.5y to be back in store ? ( and the 12 XL that i was originaly looking for when i strayed of the budget path :tongue_smilie: )

[Steven Vaccaro]

"but is it worth 3X as much."

Considering i fried a 580L and a KB45, then went to a 15271Y with a larger prop, im gonna say yes, they are worth it...........stupid low temps and lots of power.

But please remember to make apples to apples comparisons. A 580L or kb45 cant be and are not advertised to be in the same power range as a 1527.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Hey Steven, any plans for a cooling jacket for the 1717 motors?

There is a sample running around somewhere. I'm pretty sure its a forum user that has it :biggrin:

[video200]

hopfully a 1515 should be more then able to push a DF 33 and\or a 26" drifter s:thumbup1:

[Steven Vaccaro]

but OSE dont reccomend them over 4s lipo :(
but sinse you "online" steven. when do you exspect the neu 1515 1.5y to be back in store ? ( and the 12 XL that i was originaly looking for when i strayed of the budget path :tongue_smilie: )

Which one am I saying is 4s that you want to run 6s on?

Neu motors arrive all the time, there isnt a date given to me when I order.

[Make-a-Wake]

But please remember to make apples to apples comparisons. A 580L or kb45 cant be and are not advertised to be in the same power range as a 1527.

Yes, i agree.................:smile:

[video200]

i was thinking 6s on both.
running a 13xl in my df now and it comes back around 95-104 so i figured it was ready for a little upgrade :)

[JMSCARD]

I have (3) neu 1515 1.5y's with very low use.... I could be coaxed into selling one.... I just put one in my Toysport triton but I also have one in my Aeromarine Titan and my mean machine... all 1515 1.5y's:) they are good motors for sure.. heres one of em' in my triton:)

[sailr]

Has anyone ever actually tried one of the ARC motors? The guy selling them makes claims they are as good as a NEU. Hard to believe.


I am kinda liking these.

http://www.lightflightrc.com/HTML/products/ARC-36-65&75mm.htm

[crabstick]

i was thinking the same Sailr, they look like a neu, but whats inside??

[m4a1usr]

i was thinking the same Sailr, they look like a neu, but whats inside??

Me too. I bet they are 2 pole, either way they are the size of 1415. Not a 1515 Neu.

John

[sailr]

Also considering that when the 580L fails it wipes out your ESC! One of my friends had two 580's take out two castle escs! I had one take out a Seaking 180. Problem is they run really hot, demagnetize, and then demand too many amps and the esc fails. By the time your figure up the carnage, the NEU 1527 is cheap!


"but is it worth 3X as much."

Considering i fried a 580L and a KB45, then went to a 15271Y with a larger prop, im gonna say yes, they are worth it...........stupid low temps and lots of power.

[video200]

if the 1527 is cheap then the 1515 and 1521 im connsidering would be a bargen ;)

[Make-a-Wake]

Me too. I bet they are 2 pole, either way they are the size of 1415. Not a 1515 Neu.

John

They list them as 4 pole on the site. They may be just a tad better than a feigao, or run just a bit cooler.............maybe not. Lets let somebody run one and post results.

[BHChieftain]

I just swapped out a feigao 540 9XL (1850ish KV) for a neu 1515 1.5y (1500 KV). The feigao had a bad bearing, and ran hot. The neu runs nice and cool...

I also noticed that on the feigao, there was quite a bit of forward/backward play in the rotor, whereas in the neu there was virtually none.

-Chief

[Make-a-Wake]

Hey Chief..............since you have ran both, how does the 1515(40 x 68mm) compare to an XL Feigao(36x74mm) performance-wise?

[m4a1usr]

They list them as 4 pole on the site. They may be just a tad better than a feigao, or run just a bit cooler.............maybe not. Lets let somebody run one and post results.


With 4 poles that means the rotor is most likely a laminated design. If the iron is quality as well as the magnets then they might be worth a try for someone trying to get performance on a budget. The problem is at the price they are listed for you can spend just a few bux more and get a real Castle/Neu. Not to mention you could try one of those xerun motors (1515 1.5Y castle/neu copies) for $28 less. At $120 the arc doesnt seem worth the bother.

John

[BakedMopar]

Did anyone actually have success running a 580l? I keep hearing sailr and rummy having problem but I'm sure there's more than two people running these.

[DISAR]

I have a 580 8L comparing in same hulls with castle and neu 1515, the 580 runs hotter and has a prop limit. if you don't ask too much and you find its limit you are ok. In my opinion the castle or even the hpi tork really worth the money, small difference with the 1515 but the 1515 has more kv options.
video 200 which hull?

[video200]

DF 33 cyber and\or drifter S
both on 6s

[DISAR]

the hpi tork 2200 or castle 2200 kv would be perfect on 4-5s but for 6s I don't know, probably the 1515 1.5y, I have it in the mean machine and even tried it in the df35" with a 43 prop and runs great never heats up

[video200]

i was\am looking for a 6s motor as i already have several setts of 3s batteryes so for the neu`s it make most sense to get the 1515 1.5y or the 1521 1y but i cant se the 1521 fitting in my drifter.

[DISAR]

both are perfect for 6s you will never have any problem, the 1515 will be OK

[video200]

have to admit though. have had thoughts on the 1515 beeing to small for a df 33. but it sounds like it have the power needed :D

[andym]

The 1515 are great in mono's about 33" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXhwHUnK-ec
1515 1y on 4s set up run

[Raydee]

To me the 1515 will be a borderline motor for the Df33, I would personally get the 1521 1Y or the Neu/Castle 1520 if you plan to use 6s. I know others have run the 1515 but I think a little larger can would be better.

[BakedMopar]

What was your setup with the 580l. I will be running one in a 31" mono on 4s.

[andym]

I disagree Raydee , hey that rhymes !! Anyway have tried 1521, 1527 and 1515 in a DF hull. Admitadley on 4s but for my money it is the 1515. If your hull is set up well and the hull blue printed nice and sharp it is the motor for me. Good run times, in circuit trim lap times as good or better and less amp draw

[video200]

think il just have to se. at the moment the 13XL in it now comes back cool and gives about 6 minutes runtime on 642 and 443. so if a 1515 1.5y wil deliver a little more punch then that id be a happy camper :D

[m4a1usr]

I disagree Raydee , hey that rhymes !! Anyway have tried 1521, 1527 and 1515 in a DF hull. Admitadley on 4s but for my money it is the 1515. If your hull is set up well and the hull blue printed nice and sharp it is the motor for me. Good run times, in circuit trim lap times as good or better and less amp draw

You should have tried 6s and awakened that 1521! Some of us already played with the 1515 in the DF33 and the winner was a 1521. Hands down.

John

[RIPFENCE]

my cyberstorm has a 1521 1577kv on 6s its real fast..i would say in a df33 it would be even crazier fast..

[Doug Smock]

The 1515 1Y is a fantastic motor for a 33" mono on 4S.

[andym]

I agree Mr Smock, I find the DF33 not the best 6s hull

[Raydee]

I am actually thinking about buying the 36" version and selling my 33" version. I think the 1521 1.5D might be a bit much for the 33" version. Either that OR I just need to set mine up better ;)

[BHChieftain]

Hey Chief..............since you have ran both, how does the 1515(40 x 68mm) compare to an XL Feigao(36x74mm) performance-wise?

The neu runs MUCH cooler than the feigao, so I can turn a larger prop and get more performance out of it. But on same size (smaller) prop they seem to run pretty much the same with regards to speed.

-Chief

[video200]

I agree Mr Smock, I find the DF33 not the best 6s hull

probarly not the best out there. but so far it have treated me good :)

[electric]

I have (3) neu 1515 1.5y's with very low use.... I could be coaxed into selling one.... I just put one in my Toysport triton but I also have one in my Aeromarine Titan and my mean machine... all 1515 1.5y's:) they are good motors for sure.. heres one of em' in my triton:)

What kind of speed are you getting on the Triton with that motor and what prop are you using? I have a Triton sitting on the shelf and I am trying to decide whether to put a 1515 1Y or a 1515 1.5Y. I am running 4s so the 1515 1.5y would seem a bit low on the rpm side??

[electric]

What is the difference between the Neu and the Neu Castle? Has anyone tried the Neu Castle motors yet?

[Raydee]

The 1515 1.5Y won't be enough on 4s. The Neu/Castle motors are mass produced in China using Steve Neu's designs. From what I read and was told they are about 10% less powerful than a real Neu motor. I run one in my 8th scale truggy and it runs great.

[BHChieftain]

What kind of speed are you getting on the Triton with that motor and what prop are you using? I have a Triton sitting on the shelf and I am trying to decide whether to put a 1515 1Y or a 1515 1.5Y. I am running 4s so the 1515 1.5y would seem a bit low on the rpm side??


For hulls > 30", you might want to consider the 1521
http://www.neumotors.com/Site/Boat_motors.html

-Chief

[Alfa Spirit]

Have a look to Tenshock motors

http://www.tenshock-motors.de/Brushless-Elektromotoren-Brushlessmotoren-Motoren-Modellbau-Motoren-Antriebe-Buerstenlos-Motoren_1

[electric]

There seems to be two opinions on the motor size to get 1515 vs 1521. Since I am looking for speeds at around 45 - 50 on my triton running 4s which size makes sense? Will I get more amps and heat on the 1515 vs 1521? This has been a great thread by the way.

[Jeff Wohlt]

Spend once and enjoy longer...go for the the NEU/castle. You will not regret it.

[Xfactor]

which one if there is one is closer to a 1527 2y I think thats the right model for 1/8th scales isnt it?

[video200]

For hulls > 30", you might want to consider the 1521
http://www.neumotors.com/Site/Boat_motors.html

-Chief

after reading that chart im suprised my boat moves at all with only a nemesis blue 13XL and only a etti 150 amp reg.
aldo that etti survived WAY longer then my hydra 240 but thats a different storry.