Neu/Castles motors, FYI

[Rumdog]

Not sure how many of you guys are running these in boats yet. I just installed a 1518 1.5y with ose jacket in my Rico 31 mono. I run it on 5s2p with a seaking 180. For the first run, I went with a m445. The boat absolutely screamed. The m445 cavitates a bit for about 10 feet. Gonna try a x445 next. The motor and speed control were both cool as a cucumber. Forgot my temp gage, but there is no way the motor was even 90 degrees! So far, I'm really diggin' this setup!!

[properchopper]

Good Stuff ! Here's my thinking :

Neu 1515 1Y 210.00
Hydra 240 254.95

Total : $ 464.99


Castle/Neu 1515 1Y 169.99
Turnigy 180 [Gold] 79.99
Rico 31 in white 165.00

Total : $ 414.98

I dig my Seaking/Turnigy 180 in my H&M shovel w. 1515 1Y on 4S.

Guess what my next mono + setup is going to be !

[Boatman]

Why not Feigao vs neu even.

8XL 69.99 vs 1515 1Y

[Rumdog]

Absolutely Propper! I love it so far! The Neu is a bigger/ higher quality motor than a Feigao. Period. More power, less heat. Turns the prop much easier. I really dig the Rico too! good looks and handling. It seems to take the rough stuff well too.

[Raydee]

Why not Feigao vs neu even.

8XL 69.99 vs 1515 1Y

That is like comparing a Chevy aveo to a Porsche.


Has anyone tried the Neu/Castle 1717 motor in a boat yet? Looks like a alternative motor to the Neu 2215 series?

[Steven Vaccaro]

That is like comparing a Chevy aveo to a Porsche.


Has anyone tried the Neu/Castle 1717 motor in a boat yet? Looks like a alternative motor to the Neu 2215 series?

I dont think the Aveo has won as many races as the Feigao motor has. :tongue_smilie:

[Raydee]

Listen I am not knocking Feigao motors, they do just fine for what they are.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Listen I am not knocking Feigao motors, they do just fine for what they are.

I know, I was just razzin ya. :banana:

[Boatman]

propper was nocking hydra for being overpriced. Thats my opinion og turnigy. CC is a good product, just costs more

[properchopper]

For the record, I've used lots of Feigaos and they've served me well ; great bang for the buck. Then I guess you could say that I followed the racers' trend to Neu motors and also have appreciated their performance and durability. I agree with Ryan about Neu's performance edge. The Neu/Castle motors appear to be a step in the right direction relative to their price/performance ratio. I'll be trying one soon. As far as Castle is concerned, I don't believe that they are intentionally overpriced. The marine speed controls represent a relatively small portion of Castle's overall product mix, and likely have been sold with a margin that supports their existance. I will agree that they've been less than durable. When faced with the decision to pay CC $150 to replace yet one more 240 or support Jim and try a Seaking 180, I tried one for non-racing applications. It performed very well until I sunk it. Jim stepped up to the plate and took care of me. Since I can buy three 180's for the price of a new CC 240, I bought another one and have faith that it'll do well in my fun-runner. Having worked for several automotive electronics manufacturers I've participated in the interplay between product engineering, production, marketing and support. It's no secret that the Asian makers have a good handle on these factors. 2010's going to be an interesting year to see how
(or if) the U.S. based companies respond to this. :popcorn2::popcorn2:

[Rumdog]

Wonder what kinda watts that 1717 makes?

[Jeepers]

Having worked for several automotive electronics manufacturers I've participated in the interplay between product engineering, production, marketing and support. It's no secret that the Asian makers have a good handle on these factors. 2010's going to be an interesting year to see how
(or if) the U.S. based companies respond to this. :popcorn2::popcorn2:

when I worked in car audio, the store I worked for carried a "entry level" amplifier of Asian manufacture that would out perform some of the big name American amplifiers, at a fraction of the cost.

[Jeepers]

Wonder what kinda watts that 1717 makes?

taking a guess because of its size, 1500+ watts

[hydromaddicted]

when I worked in car audio, the store I worked for carried a "entry level" amplifier of Asian manufacture that would out perform some of the big name American amplifiers, at a fraction of the cost.

Consider that the Asian governments are helping to subsidize some of the manufacturing expenses helping there economies.:thumbup1:
Here in the good ol US of A we've chosen to support the banks:thumbsdown: Now we get to see how much less manufacturing and larger banking institutions help out our economy.

I'm very interested to find out about the 1717 also.

[RIPFENCE]

i want to try a 1717 too..i have not pulled the trigger on it because i was unsure if it would put out as much as an neu 1521 1y...for 25 bucks more i went with the neu..and these have not been proven in boats yet besides rumdogs promising experience..want to get one soon..what about the fan for the 15 series motors? is it more effective than watercooling?

[Ub Hauled]

Has anyone tried the Neu/Castle 1717 motor in a boat yet? Looks like a alternative motor to the Neu 2215 series?

How can that be? The 1717 is much smaller then the 2215...
How has your train of thought arrived at this conclusion? Just curious.
:confused2:

[Rumdog]

I'm thinkin more comparable with the 1521, maybe the 1527?

[Raydee]

Looks to be wider than the 15 series Neu motor but shorter.

[Ub Hauled]

well... like the name suggests, it has a stator dia. of 1.7 inches wide and a rotor that's 1.7 inches long, when the 2215 has a stator that's 2.25 inches wide and a rotor that's 1.5 inches long.

[Raydee]

So what do you think will produce more power, a 1527 or the 1717?

[tth]

Brian Buaas has done some testing on the 1717. I remember him saying he has " huge expectations for the 1717 " He was testing it in a 6s rigger.

[mschaffer66]

On a side note, where are you guys getting these Feigao motors? Is there a board vendor I should be supporting?

[tth]

Right here on OSE Steven sells them.

Click Here (http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/categories.php?cat=Motors+%26+Mounts)

[mschaffer66]

Haha, I'm an idiot, I didn't know there was an OSE store, thought it was just a forum :)

Thanks!

[Ub Hauled]

So what do you think will produce more power, a 1527 or the 1717?

I think the 1717 will blow the 1527 out of the water... it's a different design, it has more poles and bigger mass... I am curious as how much the Kv is... also if there are other 17xx motors (not the 04 and 06) and the specs.

[Unsullied_Spy]

I think the 1717 will blow the 1527 out of the water... it's a different design, it has more poles and bigger mass... I am curious as how much the Kv is... also if there are other 17xx motors (not the 04 and 06) and the specs.

More poles in the 1717? I never pulled my rotor out before it got stolen, but I'm pretty sure it's still a 4 pole/12 slot motor. They are insanely powerful though, I had one in a ~14 pound Losi Muggy conversion geared for 60 MPH top speed and it would accelerate to that speed as fast as traction would allow. I've never run a 1527 but that 1717 knocked the socks off my 80mm Medusa, which is a heck of a motor.

[Raydee]

I think the 1717 will blow the 1527 out of the water... it's a different design, it has more poles and bigger mass... I am curious as how much the Kv is... also if there are other 17xx motors (not the 04 and 06) and the specs.

Ok so like I originally said, I think this motor will be a great alternative to the 2215 at over half the price :w00t:

[Raydee]

Well I was reading the description today on OSE and Steven recommends using only 4s with this motor in a boat. Is that because the lack of cooling? Does anyone one know if there will be a water jacket available for this motor?

[Ub Hauled]

Ok so like I originally said, I think this motor will be a great alternative to the 2215 at over half the price :w00t:

I guess so... but it has less power then the 22xx's... but yes, in certain circumstances it could be a good choice instead of the 2215

[tth]

It is stated that the 1717 motor has a suggested 6s max voltage on the CC site. 1580 kv.

[Rumdog]

my 1518 has max rpm 60,000 printed on the endbell.

[m4a1usr]

Where are you guys getting your 1717 data from? Its not here on OSE. There is no 1717 listed under NEU's being sold on OSE. Its not at Castle. They only list up to a 1708? Its not at Neumotors they dont show it either? So where are these comments about KV and rotor dimensions coming from. You guys have a source?

John

[RIPFENCE]

its on ose..it comes up on the home page under the featured products listings...i believe it shifts positions when you leave and come back to the page

[RIPFENCE]

if you go under the motors and mounts section it is listed there under the castle motors at the very bottom too

[tth]

I am getting the info from the Castle site.

http://www.castlecreations.com/products/neu-castle_motors.html

[Rumdog]

I likey this!! http://www.castlecreations.com/products/cc_blower.html

[Himalaya]

If you dig deeper with some simple calculation, you'll find the power is tremendously propotional to the size(volume/mass). original Neu 1515 is rated at 1250W, 1717 is 1.45 times larger than 1515, so it's good for 1250* 1.45≈ 1800W, a bit higher than the 1521, maybe somewhere between 1521~1524.

But please note that the 1717 has a larger diameter rotor, so it's max RPM is limited to 45K if I remember correctly. 15 series are rated at 60K, some nuts even ran it up to 90K RPM and survived.

So here comes my thought, for same power and if motor length is not a problem go to the 1521/1524, you'll have both worlds, the power and rotor strength.


PS: Always wonder why Castle never rate their great motors in WATTS. :doh: forcing us calculate those basic numbers based on similar Neus.

[m4a1usr]

I am getting the info from the Castle site.

http://www.castlecreations.com/products/neu-castle_motors.html

Thanks Guy's. For the life if me I couldnt find it anywhere. I still dont see it on the motors OSE page but the link works great!

John

[Steven Vaccaro]

Where are you guys getting your 1717 data from? Its not here on OSE. There is no 1717 listed under NEU's being sold on OSE. Its not at Castle. They only list up to a 1708? Its not at Neumotors they dont show it either? So where are these comments about KV and rotor dimensions coming from. You guys have a source?

John

john its not a Neu motor. Its a Castle Motor, so its listed here
http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/products.php?cat=Castle+Creations+Motors

Also give the search a shot. I use it all the time.
http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/search.php

As for 4s with this motor. Its very conservative, I know. But for a untested motor in a boat, I wouldn't be honest in saying to use it with 6s.
It will "probably" be just fine with 6s. I just dont want to have a new guy read something and go put it in a giant boat with 6s and a x460/3 blade.

[raptor347]

I'm putting the 1717 in a new 6S rigger. It's a little more kV than I wanted, but we'll see how it works.

I've gotten to play all but the 1717 at this point. So for what it's worth, here's my take on the Castle/Neu motors for us FE guys.

1512-1800 it's a great RTR replacement motor, no more rpm but loads more torque.

1512-2750 hot 4s motor for small hydros (I've run it in my old DH shovel, it's a rocket but not a sport combo). Also a good option if you want to run a spec rigger in open P hydro.

1515-2200 general all purpose 4S hydro motor. Reliable and fast without beating batteries to death. Also good in a smaller (DF-29 etc) P mono.

1518-1800 deadly P mono motor in a 32" DF storm with the right prop. Also good in larger P sport boats.

1520-1600 Should make a great P offshore motor. Also a hot 6S hydro motor.

1717-1580 I'm hoping it's a killer 6S rigger motor. It might be an amp hog, but we'll see. Reminds me a bit of the old 18 series Aveox motors.

Hope that helps.

[Raydee]

Brian how do you think this motor might work in a 34" Cat hull on 6s?

[raptor347]

Brian how do you think this motor might work in a 34" Cat hull on 6s?

Probably pretty good. It'll be the usual, start with a small prop and work your way up.

[Rumdog]

Ran the Rico again today. Setup was Castle/Neu 1518 1800kv, hydra 240lv, Turnigy 5s2p 10,000mah total, and a x447. Shifted the cg bac to 27percent. Insane speed!! This motor is AWESOME!! No heat to speak of from anything. My water is colder than freezing right now though which i'm sure is helping a bit. Just got a Garmin etrex tod, gonna gps her this weekend. I'm guessing it's quite close to 60mph!

[Rumdog]

Here she is, ready to rock!

[Ub Hauled]

Ryan, just a thought, I think you may need more then 20c cells... just food for thought.
Looking good.

[Rumdog]

I thought the same, but at 10,000 mah total, running 2p, I get 40c. They hardly even warm up. plus the price was too good to pass up!

[Ub Hauled]

oh, you using them in parallel...
never mind then...
;)

[forescott]

Good Stuff ! Here's my thinking :

Neu 1515 1Y 210.00
Hydra 240 254.95

Total : $ 464.99


Castle/Neu 1515 1Y 169.99
Turnigy 180 [Gold] 79.99
Rico 31 in white 165.00

Total : $ 414.98

I dig my Seaking/Turnigy 180 in my H&M shovel w. 1515 1Y on 4S.

Guess what my next mono + setup is going to be !
How does your boat run on this setup? I want to run the same combo in a thundercat nitro to brushless conversion on 4s. Maybe 5s for speed runs.

[sailr]

You don't change the C rating by paralleling battery packs. The C rating is what it is. You are doubling the available amps, so in your case, you go from 5,000mah to 10,000mah. It is STILL 20C so you can pull 200 amps continuous while with a single 5,000 you can pull 100 amps continuous. BUT, in no case are you getting 40C!


I thought the same, but at 10,000 mah total, running 2p, I get 40c. They hardly even warm up. plus the price was too good to pass up!

[Rumdog]

hmmm, are you sure?

[bustitup]

hmmm, are you sure?

yup
parallel = dbl mah
series = dbl volts

c rating stays the same always

[Steven Vaccaro]

Some manufacturers parallel cells within the packs/shrink wrap. And double "C" rating.

[Rumdog]

I knew that much bustit. I always just thought that paralleling them doubled the "C" rating as well.

[kevakov]

Rum dog, cant wait to see your GPS data with that set-up. I have a Mean Machine FE oredered from the OSE store, and I'm thinking of running the Castle 1515y or the Castle 1518 with a Hydra 240 lv and either 4s or 5s, I'm looking for mid to high 50's from the MM.

[properchopper]

How does your boat run on this setup? I want to run the same combo in a thundercat nitro to brushless conversion on 4s. Maybe 5s for speed runs.

Scott, I haven't (yet) run the Castle/Neu motor, but I have 3 boats running 4S2p with the Neu 1515 1Y ; one of which is with the Turnigy 180. It's a H&M 31" shovelnose hydro & runs low sixties with a mildly cupped M445. The TC with the Castle/Neu 1Y and the Turnigy 180 on 4S2P should be a really nice, fast setup.
See how things go on 4S; start with an X642, then M445, then M545 {lookout!}. I doubt if you'll need to go to 5S :biggrin:

[Rumdog]

I ran her today with gps. Froze my as$ off! Super choppy water and could only hold it wot for a few seconds. Gps showed 55.1 mph! Cant wait to run her on some calmer ater, and on a warmer day. I'll get some vid once the ice melts.

[properchopper]

I'll get some vid once the ice melts.

Ryan, get ahold of some redneck ice dissolver bars [ dynamite sticks] and git' 'er done !! [ make sure you keep the dog locked in the car when you throw them out on the ice! :huh:]

[RIPFENCE]

hahah...ice always has to ruin things..i got a run in on xmas eve it was amazing for living in maine..anyways...ryan do u know if the mounting is the same on all of the castle motors? i am mainly concerned with the 1717 spacing..gotta come up with a rail mount for it

[Rumdog]

Just bought another on ebay. It is the 1515 series. Got it for $111.00. It is going into my rigger when I get her built!

[cybercrxt]

Bought the 1515 Castle on ebay for $116 last week..new! Put it on my Woodstuff 36" tunnel, 4s2p, hydra 240, and the 1515 2200kv Castle..59.3 mph so far on gps, and the temps are almost not even noticeable to the touch!

Yes Propperchopper, I brought it up from 57.3 to 59.3 yesterday! Mike

[forescott]

I just bought a new 1515 1y 2200kv castle motor on ebay as well. $129 new. Also bought a nitro thundercat to put it in. Gonna run 4S2P with a turnigy/seaking 180. Hope it runs cool.

[m4a1usr]

I just bought a new 1515 1y 2200kv castle motor on ebay as well. $129 new. Also bought a nitro thundercat to put it in. Gonna run 4S2P with a turnigy/seaking 180. Hope it runs cool.

Good choice! An easy FE build and decent speeds too. But be careful on 4S. Start with a small prop. 32k on that motor can get power hungry and Y windings are not known for liking high amp setups.

John