ThunderTiger's entry in BL [Archive] - Offshore Electrics Forums

Steven Vaccaro

12-08-2009, 07:56 PM

Has anyone seen this?

http://mms.tiger.tw/upload/2009-7/20097143070.jpg

http://www.tiger.com.tw/product/5121-F.html

Length(mm / in.)42.9” (1090mm) Height(mm / in.)9.6” (243mm) Beam(mm / in.)12.4” (315mm) Weight(g / oz.)6.97 lb. (3160g)

andym

12-08-2009, 08:07 PM

The water cooled out runner looks interesting

Steven Vaccaro

12-08-2009, 08:11 PM

It does, but the 60amp esc is a worry.

Steven Vaccaro

12-08-2009, 08:14 PM

The manual is here
http://mms.tiger.tw/upload/upload_file/Boat/5121manJJ6116.pdf
The manual says a top speed of 32mph.

andym

12-08-2009, 08:15 PM

Yes its a big hull, and seems well under powered and only spinning a 225 prop. Hull looks good though, wonder if a 22 series and 8s will fit?

domwilson

12-08-2009, 08:23 PM

Yep. It was discussed on this forum...
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?t=10024

Steven Vaccaro

12-08-2009, 08:41 PM

Yep. It was discussed on this forum...
http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/showthread.php?t=10024

I will take the chance on it. When its released I will buy one. I think it will run in the 25 mph range. If thats the case it will be a worthy rtr boat.

Remember this boat.
http://www.hobbytron.com/RCBoatHotzRacingRTRElectricJHC0908.html
I have one. It runs about 15-18mph with a 550 motor and a 8 cell pack. Sure the ThunderTiger boat is not going to be a race boat, but if priced right and runs 25 or so it will crush some waves without flipping so easy.

Jeepers

12-08-2009, 09:18 PM

I Sure the ThunderTiger boat is not going to be a race boat, but if priced right and runs 25 or so it will crush some waves without flipping so easy.

I don't know about the electric version of this, but its nitro counter part does fine in a race a, guy in the Northern Colorado Nitro Burners club stuck a MAC .45 in it flat hauls the mail, and with a little tuning it handled wind and race water great. He was very impressed.

Steven Vaccaro

12-08-2009, 09:22 PM

I meant out of the box as a race boat. Its just to big and underpowered in their electric version.

Steven Vaccaro

12-08-2009, 09:29 PM

I will take the chance on it. When its released I will buy one. I think it will run in the 25 mph range. If thats the case it will be a worthy rtr boat.

Remember this boat.
http://www.hobbytron.com/RCBoatHotzRacingRTRElectricJHC0908.html
I have one. It runs about 15-18mph with a 550 motor and a 8 cell pack. Sure the ThunderTiger boat is not going to be a race boat, but if priced right and runs 25 or so it will crush some waves without flipping so easy.

I may have to eat my words. I just found it listed for $680. Thats just way to much money.

Jeepers

12-08-2009, 09:44 PM

I meant out of the box as a race boat. Its just to big and underpowered in their electric version.

Oh.....I figured you would modify it like everyone else does! oh now I see the part as rtrs for your kids!

BILL OXIDEAN

12-08-2009, 09:53 PM

I think you should pick these up Steve, Thunder tiger is a good company i loved their nitro motors and cars

sailr

12-09-2009, 12:09 AM

I read somewhere a couple of months ago that it is a real dog. At that price, why bother to find out?

Mel279

12-09-2009, 03:21 AM

I may have to eat my words. I just found it listed for $680. Thats just way to much money.
even it goes only for max 32mph, dont know if its true or not

Steven Vaccaro

12-09-2009, 06:26 AM

Oh.....I figured you would modify it like everyone else does! oh now I see the part as rtrs for your kids!

I normally vacation in a very small cove off of a very large lake. Since the kids are getting bigger, we will hopefully start to vacation on the larger part of the lake. The waves are huge, so the mini vee won't cut it any longer. But the price seems very high for whats included.

I read somewhere a couple of months ago that it is a real dog. At that price, why bother to find out?

Whoever said its a dog was estimating since it hasn't been released yet.

Cat-Boi

12-09-2009, 07:20 AM

all things considered, you gotta love the claims!

steveo

12-09-2009, 10:23 PM

web site says you can purchase just hull/hatch

Jeepers

12-09-2009, 10:29 PM

I like it, though I would buy just the hull and hatch!

sailr

12-09-2009, 11:55 PM

It has that nasty system where you have to remove the strut to grease the flexshaft

http://mms.tiger.tw/upload/upload_file/Boat/5121manJJ6116.pdf

sailr

12-09-2009, 11:59 PM

Have you seen Thunder Tiger's new brushless outboard? That's an OUTRUNNER motor on it!

http://www.mariosrcmodels.com/images/fairs/toyfair_2009/thundertiger_bandit_brushless_outboard_1lg.jpg

http://www.mariosrcmodels.com/images/fairs/toyfair_2009/thundertiger_bandit_brushless_outboard_2lg.jpg

sailr

12-10-2009, 12:17 AM

Not sure where you saw that price. This German site has it for 389 euros. By the time you knock of the 19% mehrwertsteure and convert to dollars, it is $463. And that is retail!

http://shop.lindinger.at/product_info.php?products_id=81539

I may have to eat my words. I just found it listed for $680. Thats just way to much money.

bwells

12-10-2009, 12:35 AM

Still too much for a 25 to 30 mph boat. The 42 inch hull seems inviting and a hull and hatch alone would be perfect for say 150.

sailr

12-10-2009, 12:45 AM

Video:

http://www.thundertiger-tv.de/video/785/outlaw-obl

This thing seems to have been available in Europe for a while. What's the holdup in the U.S. Steven?

properchopper

12-10-2009, 12:45 AM

sailr

12-10-2009, 01:02 AM

I have made an inquiry of Thunder Tiger about the outboard motor. Will let you know what they reply. I have a feeling this was a prototype over a year ago that they never developed.

Nice sized motor, and watercooled ! Very interesting. :smile:

andym

12-10-2009, 05:39 AM

Doby

12-10-2009, 07:06 AM

Video:

http://www.thundertiger-tv.de/video/785/outlaw-obl

This thing seems to have been available in Europe for a while. What's the holdup in the U.S. Steven?

Hey, for a big boat running on 4S, it seems to move fairly well!

Steven Vaccaro

12-10-2009, 07:13 AM

Ful retail is $680. I just received info from Thunder Tiger, if all goes right I should have them at $499 with a 4s lipo pack and charger.

properchopper

12-10-2009, 01:29 PM

That motor is the same as in the above mentioned boat, I understand the F1 hull in the pics is about the same size and performance is not much better. Now that motor on a Vs1 will open the eyes !! Prop you know you can fit 6s in your Vs1, please take on e for the team and try it out !!

Actually a 4S just fits in my VS-1 , although the box could be modded for 6S. I'm leaving it as is for now, since WW VI is coming up, although I'd really like to see how the Scorp 1900 KV runs on 6S. Maybe after the race .. Hmmmm...

I seem to remember that Steven likes to make outboard powered boats. I too would like to get my hands on one of these outboards for an outboard conversion.
Steven, you listening ? :spy:

properchopper

12-10-2009, 01:33 PM

Ful retail is $680. I just received info from Thunder Tiger, if all goes right I should have them at $499 with a 4s lipo pack and charger.

That's a great deal. Consider that an SV-27 + batt's + charger is close in price.
Very attractive to invite more peeps into the fold :rockon2: [ Time and time again, while at the lake, I'm asked by curious, interested bystanders " How much is one of those?" Having to explain that you need a boat, set of batt's, charger etc. tends to put one off. A nice sized packaged deal like the Thunder Tiger would really be a great thing to recommend, and less confusing for sure.] Good job, Steven !
Now, about getting the OB ?......

6S HYDRO

12-10-2009, 01:54 PM

Video:

http://www.thundertiger-tv.de/video/785/outlaw-obl

This thing seems to have been available in Europe for a while. What's the holdup in the U.S. Steven?

ahh yes, the vid has one of my all time favorite songs from years back. "come into my dream" got to love those germans

Steven Vaccaro

12-10-2009, 03:03 PM

I got a glance at that outboard. I didnt ask about it because I assumed by the black that its plastic. But I will.

Jim as far as I'm told by Thunder Tiger this hull in brushless hasn't been released anywhere yet.

sailr

12-10-2009, 09:51 PM

TT USA dragging their feet. It's all over Europe...Germany, France, etc. I think I even saw it on a Brazil site. They all say IN STOCK

Look closely at the OB again. Looks like metal to me but I could be wrong.

I got a glance at that outboard. I didnt ask about it because I assumed by the black that its plastic. But I will.

Jim as far as I'm told by Thunder Tiger this hull in brushless hasn't been released anywhere yet.

Steven Vaccaro

12-10-2009, 10:54 PM

6S HYDRO

12-11-2009, 12:26 AM

no one noticed this is a replica of a delta force hull

CornelP

12-11-2009, 01:09 AM

Try:
http://shop.lindinger.at/product_info.php?cPath=1260_1266&products_id=81539
http://www.spider-racing.de/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=617
http://www.berlinmodellbaushop.de/OUTLAW-OBL-Rennboot-5121-A22.htm?shop=modellbau&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=BM456981&t=5&c=2082&p=2082

Steven Vaccaro

12-11-2009, 07:17 AM

Thanks for the links. I have contacted them.

sailr

12-11-2009, 08:14 AM

I posted a link earlier in this thread. For the boat, not the OB. I'd like an OB now myself! TT hasn't answered me yet about the OB. I'm not interested in the boat myself.

You do know that if you order from Germany you can ask that the 19% VAT be removed, right?

Please post a link to where I can buy one now?
I want it for a Christmas pres.

Steven Vaccaro

12-11-2009, 10:56 AM

I emailed all the links. So far, one responded back. Spider Racing says it should be available January 2010

sailr

12-11-2009, 11:04 AM

:confused2:Haha. What a riot! They all indicate the boat is in stock! Go figure, eh?:popcorn2:

For what it's worth though, I have known more than one "exclusive" US distributor to be really late in having a new product. I always figured it was due to 'cash flow' :laugh: or bad management. WHATEVER!:banana: Good luck with your new big boat!...whenever you get it:thumbup:

I emailed all the links. So far, one responded back. Spider Racing says it should be available January 2010

Steven Vaccaro

12-11-2009, 11:34 AM

Lots of places list items for sale that they don't have. Its the evil side or retail sales on the web. My indication that its not available was that its not all over youtube.com yet.

Darin Jordan

12-11-2009, 12:05 PM

Lots of places list items for sale that they don't have. Its the evil side or retail sales on the web.

I hate that part... "Coming soon"...

I almost would rather not know!! :iagree:

CornelP

12-11-2009, 12:11 PM

Had a word with Lindiger: they had one for testing, first batch January... but yes, it is on stock...:tt2:
There's a number of reviews out there on the forums... same conclusion: nice hull (only the hull), yes, as it was already said, lines are 95% delta force and you can have it in any color, as long as it's lime green...:laugh:

Steven Vaccaro

12-11-2009, 12:27 PM

I've been searching and couldn't find much on forums. Can you point me to the forum links to people that had them in their hands with their own pictures and video? Not ThunderTigers. It might save me some money.

sailr

12-11-2009, 01:30 PM

I can see it now, people will buy the boat....run it once....rip out the motor and put a big NEU and a high dollar ESC in it. Then they will have a very expensive boat! haha. Some things never change.

CornelP

12-11-2009, 02:31 PM

Well, I'm home, so no browsing history, but Google helps with one:
http://www.daddyhobby.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47284

Ctonez

12-11-2009, 05:10 PM

I'm just excited that Thunder Tiger is making a BL boat.:thumbup1:
not gonna get one, not shopping at the moment...but still, the more companies that go this direction, the better we'll be for it IMO.

sailr

12-11-2009, 06:01 PM

ABSOLUTELY! Couldn't agree more. BUT, they need to make stuff that is killer for a reasonable price rather than mediocre. It wouldn't have cost TT more than another $30 to use a better motor and speed controller! I know, I import all the time.

If a newbie spends $600+ for a boat and then it doesn't run as good as the other guys at the pond, they will get discouraged! From the video, it looks slower than the SV27, UL-1, BJ26, etc. and they are almost 1/2 the price. Yeah, they're smaller, but....

I'm just excited that Thunder Tiger is making a BL boat.:thumbup1:
not gonna get one, not shopping at the moment...but still, the more companies that go this direction, the better we'll be for it IMO.

Bill-SOCAL

12-11-2009, 06:10 PM

I cannot imagine what my 44-inch Sniper would do on 4S1P and 60 amps!!!

I looked at the manual as well. You have to pull the strut to remove and lube the shaft. Weird.

I will say that I have seen the nitro version of this hull (on display not running) and it is nicely done. And yes, it looks a lot like a Sniper.

sailr

12-11-2009, 06:39 PM

It has that same crappy square drive setup? OK, I pretty well know who is making the boat for them and they are paying about $150-$175 for them.

I cannot imagine what my 44-inch Sniper would do on 4S1P and 60 amps!!!

I looked at the manual as well. You have to pull the strut to remove and lube the shaft. Weird.

I will say that I have seen the nitro version of this hull (on display not running) and it is nicely done. And yes, it looks a lot like a Sniper.

Ctonez

12-11-2009, 07:29 PM

If a newbie spends $600+ for a boat and then it doesn't run as good as the other guys at the pond, they will get discouraged! From the video, it looks slower than the SV27, UL-1, BJ26, etc. and they are almost 1/2 the price. Yeah, they're smaller, but....

Yeah, the price point definitely needs massaging, especially for that performance, but still we haven't heard any first hand reports.
What do the Nitro guys pay for a rtr boat that big?

When are New Bright and Radio Shack gonna throw brushless motors in their stuff?:just-kidding:

Bill-SOCAL

12-11-2009, 07:42 PM

This is TT nitro version:

http://www.acehobby.com/ace/TTR5213.htm

List price is $699.00

I am not sure how many other similar sized RTR nitro boats are out there.

Steven Vaccaro

12-14-2009, 08:20 PM

After writing to ThunderTiger a few times it seems that the BL version will be out soon. BUT Thunder Tiger USA has not ordered any. So dont look for them to be the in USA for a Looooong time. That just stinks!

Brushless55

12-14-2009, 09:28 PM

I don't know about the electric version of this, but its nitro counter part does fine in a race a, guy in the Northern Colorado Nitro Burners club stuck a MAC .45 in it flat hauls the mail, and with a little tuning it handled wind and race water great. He was very impressed.

That mono was impressive!
Brian, the owner of the nitro version was running with the gassers and was kicken their gas!
It cut through their wakes like nothin :thumbup1:

sailr

12-15-2009, 02:47 AM

Steven, nothing unusual. I told you TT USA was just dragging their feet!

After writing to ThunderTiger a few times it seems that the BL version will be out soon. BUT Thunder Tiger USA has not ordered any. So dont look for them to be the in USA for a Looooong time. That just stinks!

Steven Vaccaro

12-15-2009, 07:20 AM

Steven, nothing unusual. I told you TT USA was just dragging their feet!

You were partially right.:moon:

Brushless55

12-15-2009, 01:15 PM

You were partially right.:moon:

Oh man! I see a full moon :rofl:

CornelP

12-18-2009, 12:49 PM

Just checking a website... they have them on stock...
http://www.rcm-pelikan.cz/index.php?sec=product&id=40206&lang=en

Steven Vaccaro

12-18-2009, 01:35 PM

It looks like they are listed for 9999999? I emailed them.

SJFE

12-18-2009, 04:28 PM

Ful retail is $680. I just received info from Thunder Tiger, if all goes right I should have them at $499 with a 4s lipo pack and charger.

If you can eventually make that happen.... I'm in & back in:rockon2:

sailr

12-18-2009, 05:44 PM

I thought you said TT USA hadn't ordered them? Did you give 'em a nudge Steven? Haha. Good for you!~

CornelP

12-18-2009, 06:32 PM

Steven, 9 990,00 kč is around 385 Euro. BTW, they have a lot of other hulls which are interesting (their own products).

bwells

12-18-2009, 10:41 PM

9 990,00 kc is something I have never seen. What is KC and is the comma one digit off to the right or should it be a period? Just wondering!

Steven Vaccaro

12-18-2009, 11:48 PM

Steven, 9 990,00 kč is around 385 Euro. BTW, they have a lot of other hulls which are interesting (their own products).

thanks!!

CornelP

12-19-2009, 02:45 AM

bwells, in eastern Europe comma replaces dot for decimals, dot is used as thousands separator... KC is Czech Krone.

Steven Vaccaro

12-19-2009, 06:37 AM

Just checking a website... they have them on stock...
http://www.rcm-pelikan.cz/index.php?sec=product&id=40206&lang=en

I just received notice, they have it instock but can not send Thunder Tiger items to the USA. Thats just great. Thunder Tiger USA doesn't want to stock the item and other distributors can't ship to the USA.

sailr

12-19-2009, 09:04 AM

Steven, find somebody in their market and have 'em buy it and ship it to you! Lots of European members on this forum!

Steven Vaccaro

12-19-2009, 11:08 AM

Steven, find somebody in their market and have 'em buy it and ship it to you! Lots of European members on this forum!

Thanks for the suggestion, but I will wait. Its just frustrating.

Brushless55

12-19-2009, 12:12 PM

I just received notice, they have it instock but can not send Thunder Tiger items to the USA. Thats just great. Thunder Tiger USA doesn't want to stock the item and other distributors can't ship to the USA.

What the :cursing:

bwells

12-19-2009, 07:45 PM

CornelP: Thank you for the clarification and I assume the space between the first and second 9 is a place holder as well, i.e. 9,990.00 KC in US terminology.

Steven Vaccaro

02-02-2010, 02:50 PM

I have one on the way for testing.
I will be selling them for $499.99. It includes a 4s lipo pack and charger.
I know its a isnt cheap. But we will see how it performs. I will report once I have more info.

detox

02-02-2010, 03:03 PM

Only one 4s lipo pack?

Steven Vaccaro

02-02-2010, 03:14 PM

Only one 4s lipo pack?

Only one is needed. Remember this is a sport boat. Its tough getting info out of these companies for some reason. I'm told its a water cooled outrunner motor. If it runs 30mph with the stock setup I will be pleased. And there should be a boat load of people interested in it.

Brushless55

02-02-2010, 04:19 PM

I'm really looking forward to the review of this boat...

Brushless55

02-02-2010, 04:25 PM

Steven, have you seen this video yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSSv9qOCGQs

Brushless55

02-02-2010, 04:51 PM

found a pic..
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/filmmaker2009/outlawobl.jpg

Steven Vaccaro

02-02-2010, 04:56 PM

I'm not sure if i saw it before. But thanks for posting it. Looks respectable. Not what some people are used to, but then again its also cheaper than what most people spend on just batteries for their 45" boats.

Steven Vaccaro

02-02-2010, 04:58 PM

found a pic..
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/filmmaker2009/outlawobl.jpg

thanks again! I saw the fake motor/mount in the parts list and was dieing to see it in the hull. Now that I see it, its as bad as I imagined! :thumbsdown:

Brushless55

02-02-2010, 05:28 PM

only because you like it so much.. :laugh:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/filmmaker2009/outlawobl2.jpg

I still think its a good deal, for $500..

Rumdog

02-02-2010, 08:20 PM

I'm not sure it's a good deal. I like the hull, but besides that and the hw i'd end up changing out everything else. Which would add up. Therefore, i'd be spending 500 on just a hull and hardware.

Rumdog

02-02-2010, 08:27 PM

Turns pretty well though at that speed. You can tell it's too light with that mild setup though. Would look pretty good with a 1527 I bet!

Steven Vaccaro

02-02-2010, 09:15 PM

I'm not sure it's a good deal. I like the hull, but besides that and the hw i'd end up changing out everything else. Which would add up. Therefore, i'd be spending 500 on just a hull and hardware.

Show me another $500 boat with the same specs so we can compare value?

Again, its not for everyone. You could "build" a nice hull with some nice hardware for $500. But there are people that dont want to "build" a hull.

Rumdog

02-02-2010, 10:03 PM

Very true.

Brushless55

02-03-2010, 01:55 AM

Show me another $500 boat with the same specs so we can compare value?

Again, its not for everyone. You could "build" a nice hull with some nice hardware for $500. But there are people that dont want to "build" a hull.

Very true, and this boat comes RTR out of the box with no need to buy batteries or charger.. :thumbup1:
great for those getting into the hobby!