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cacofonix
10-17-2009, 09:35 AM
hi folks

last month i send my hydra's to CC for repair. now they are back.

so i calibrate first esc with radio (Spektrum DX3R) and ..............still have full throttle problem (led still blinking)
firmware is 1.04

on another hand, i have a Lizard with a Seaking 180 esc, and best speed i can get is 45 mph ....... which is not very fast compare to other Lizard i know.

so i start to wonder if DX3R is really a good radio for boating .......

do some of you run a DX3R ???

thanks

herve

teach
10-17-2009, 10:02 AM
A club member runs that setup. He had a little trouble getting full throttle also. Try moving the throttle a little slower. Make sure end points are set correctly. Please tell me if this works. Maybe it was pure luck when we did his.

cacofonix
10-17-2009, 10:06 AM
ok i will try

i was reading user manual.
i wonder if it can be linked to frame rate feature .... there is 3 value depending on servo type used.
5.5 ms / 11 ms / 16.5 ms

5.5 is for last numeric servo, 16.5 for old analogic servo. default is 11 (on my radio)

i'm about making a test with a Futaba 3PM 2.4 ghz, to compare ....

herve

cacofonix
10-17-2009, 10:28 AM
i change frame rate (16.5 ms) / recalibrate : same ..........

cacofonix
10-17-2009, 11:05 AM
new test with a Futaba 3PM = same

so radio is not the cause

Doug Smock
10-17-2009, 11:55 AM
The throttle end point adjustments are maxed out?:confused:

Doug

Jesse J
10-17-2009, 12:00 PM
just mess with the throttle trim. Mine was plug and play, but the throttle trim is the key factor. Get it all set up, plugged in and you hear the first arming sound. then tweak the trim settings and it will arm; mine with a tad forward trim.

If this don't work, I'll buy you a beer.:beerchug:

cacofonix
10-17-2009, 12:07 PM
hello

doug : i try with throttle trim 100% and then 150% , in 2 way
1/ calibrate radio with 100% trim, and after change to 150%
2/ change trim from 100 to 150% and then calibrate

same : led blinking

sorry jesse, i dont understand, word combination are too complcate for my poor english :0)

herve

Flying Scotsman
10-17-2009, 12:07 PM
I think you are not calibrating properly. Joe Ford fom Castle has a post on the correct procedure, have you followed this procedure?

Douggie

cacofonix
10-17-2009, 12:08 PM
i will read it again !!!

cacofonix
10-17-2009, 12:15 PM
so as joe said, i set up throttle trim to 120% fw and rev
then calibrate again ...................... same

to prevent next question, it's a brand new hydra 120 ......

herve

Flying Scotsman
10-17-2009, 12:19 PM
Not the manual, Joe's instructions on firmware upgrade calibrations that he has posted on this site.

Douggie

cacofonix
10-17-2009, 12:24 PM
sorry i only find the thread on Castle firmware ......

cacofonix
10-17-2009, 12:33 PM
someone can give me link please ??

herve

JimClark
10-17-2009, 01:56 PM
I believe there is actually two places to adjust the throttle trim buried in the menu's

cacofonix
10-17-2009, 02:11 PM
you mean in esc menu ?

JimClark
10-17-2009, 02:35 PM
No the radio

JimClark
10-17-2009, 02:39 PM
yes there is an end point adjustment and a travel adjust both effect the throttle.
It has been a while since I programmed my DX2 but I think there are two functions that could alter the throttle
Jim

cacofonix
10-17-2009, 02:40 PM
sorry but in DX3R menu there is only one menu : TRAVEL
and i set throttle / brake to 130%

no other menu

herve

JimClark
10-17-2009, 02:58 PM
Sorry I didn't see the R I have just the DX3

JimClark
10-17-2009, 03:04 PM
maybe you might try playing with the trim step feature

I should get one of these looks easier to set um than my DX3

nutz1207
10-17-2009, 05:30 PM
i to am having the same problem but i have a dx3s. and i have tried to adjust the trim and the travel and it still blinks when at full throttle. so i called castle and the guy i talked to said that its fine. i did not get his name though.

LiPo Power
10-17-2009, 05:35 PM
You guys with the set up problems should contact HappyOne
He is using the same radio now with Castle ESC and I saw him reprograming, calibrating his CC ESC with no problem, ask him please.
Robert

JimClark
10-17-2009, 06:48 PM
Darin also has the 3S so contact him also

cacofonix
10-18-2009, 02:55 AM
great !!!

did they often came on this forum ??

Jimmy Sterling
10-18-2009, 04:24 AM
I have been using a DX3S radio system in all my boats that have CC ESC's setup in them and had no issues what so ever with calibrating WOT.

However, I am still using the older firmware (1.03 I think), that is obviosly where the problem lies

The 3S has two functions within the radio that allow for travel and trim + the normal throttle trim operation to be modified.

Before calibrating the ESC be sure that the trim control located to the left of the wheel is set to 0 on the main LCD menu, the sub trim is set to 0 and that the travel option within the radio's menu is set to 150 %.

I have performed this many times with no problems

BTW, why go to the new firmware in the first place ?

Jimmy :tiphat:

Team FFRB
10-18-2009, 05:09 AM
Jimmy,

You are right!

"BTW, why go to the new firmware in the first place ?"

I wonder if Joe Ford has had his team fix firm ware 1.04 yet? If not, Why not?

Jimmy Sterling
10-18-2009, 06:06 AM
No use trying to fix something thats not broken

cacofonix
10-18-2009, 07:21 AM
hi folks

i upgrade firmware because i use mega motors that have 6 magnets
and i read that 1.03 version have problem with timing ......

i don't know if i can dowgrade to 1.03 ......

ok jimmy, i will check sub trim, but yesterday i already try with 150%

herve

Raydee
10-18-2009, 07:40 AM
I have calibrated my DX3R to a bunch of CC controllers with the throttle travel at 100% without a issue. It sounds like the ESC is the problem. Like others have suggested try downgrading the firmware to 1.03 and see if it will calibrate correctly.

cacofonix
10-18-2009, 07:48 AM
ok , i will try to down grade it.

few weeks ago i try with another esc without success ....

no timing issue with 1.03 version ??

herve

Raydee
10-18-2009, 07:51 AM
As far as I know the 1.03 firmware still has the timing values wrong but I would just load it just to see if it calibrates correctly. If it does maybe try to reinstall 1.04 and calibrate it again. I personally think the controller has a problem with the radio board though.

cacofonix
10-18-2009, 07:56 AM
downgrade = success !!!

so i will calibrate it again

what surprise me is that ESC is new, sticker date is 09/09.

herve

cacofonix
10-18-2009, 08:02 AM
it's really a live setup !!

so problem is more complicate ..... firmware is 1.03
throttle EPA is set to 130% ................no change

led is still blinking ..........what a mess

herve

cacofonix
10-18-2009, 08:12 AM
me again ..........sorry to bother you

i have a 2nd hydra that just came from CC repair. i have calibrate it 2 minutes ago ..............same

so :
1/ there is really a big problem with my radio (firmware ???)

2/ blinking led on esc is not a problem ......

hope joe will read this soon

herve

Jimmy Sterling
10-18-2009, 05:36 PM
Hi Herve,

How far off WOT is the ESC once armed (guess)?

And is there an information page regarding the timing values on the 1.03 firmware?

Jimmy :tiphat:

nutz1207
10-18-2009, 09:49 PM
Ok so im still having the same problem. My trim is at 0, my sub trim is at 0, and the F/B is set to 150% and the led still dosnt go solid at full throtle. i tried the 1.03 software with these same settings and it doesn't work either. i have also tried to change the throtle curve, it is set at 90 for 100% and this doesn't work either.

Jimmy Sterling
10-18-2009, 10:02 PM
Try calibrating the system with the F/B set around 80 - 90%

The speed controller should see this as WOT even though the radio does not during the hold full throttle step during the ESC calibration.

Once calibrated, go WOT and as the LED blinks try turning your F/B travel up to 150%.

You may find this will fix your problem, the radio system may simply have a minor inconsistency within its opertaing system with CC software.

Worth a try

Jimmy :tiphat:

nutz1207
10-18-2009, 10:57 PM
ok, so i calabrate esc at 80% F/B and Then put it back up to 150% and the led still doesn't go solid. i then tried it at 70% and then put it back up 150% and still no solid led. i then clabrated at 150% F/B just to see if i can get an idea on how close it is to being solid, and i think that its very close but i am compparing it to when i put the brake on and were the led goes from blinking to solid.

Jimmy Sterling
10-18-2009, 11:02 PM
Could try positioning the trim B around 16 or so to give the throttle a longer spektrum of travel.

Other then that I honestly do not know why you are having so much trouble recieving full throttle.

Keep trying

Jimmy :tiphat:

G Doggett
10-18-2009, 11:31 PM
For what it is worth, on my Futaba 3PM Fasst I have to set the EPA ( End Point Adjustment) to 120% with Hydra 120 to get full throttle and a solid LED.
The manual says to use 100% but the LED will still blink at that setting.
Just another weird Castle feature !!!!
Graham.:rockon2:

Jimmy Sterling
10-18-2009, 11:58 PM
Another Brainfart,

Sure that the ESC is not in reverse and the reversing limit is set to 75% ?

Can you get full throttle reverse at the moment ?

Jimmy :tiphat:

cacofonix
10-19-2009, 08:05 AM
hello

reverse is what wonders me, default value is 25% but set up if OFF

not logical to register reverse end point during calibration with unactivate feature .....

just for my understanding jimmy, what is WOT ??

herve

nutz1207
10-19-2009, 11:09 AM
wot, is full throttle and i get a solid led when i go in reverse. but i have the esc set up with no reverse one other thing i tried is to reverse the switch for the throttle but it wont let me even calabrate with it in the reverse setting. i do have a spare radio sitting around i am going to try with it to see if its the radio or the esc. cacofonix i think that you said that you tried with a diffrent radio, and it didnt work or am i wrong on this.
Dustin

i have tried calabrating the esc with my end point adj. from 70% to 150% and nothing changes.

cacofonix
10-19-2009, 11:27 AM
yes nutz, i try with a futaba 3PM
BUT ......... was not aware at this time that i have to change end point to more than 100%

i can try again

herve

cacofonix
10-19-2009, 12:28 PM
ok folks, i found problem !!!

i recalibrate esc after changing radio EPA to 80% ...just to check

and ....no change

BUT !!! , since the beginning, i made all tests by unplugging motor after calibration

and this time , i try full throttle WITH motor plugged .........

and and and : LED IS FULL ....... unbelievable, esc behaviour is not same with or without motor plugged.

herve

nutz1207
10-19-2009, 05:57 PM
wow, maybe that is the problem for me to, i will check this when i get home. im just a little uneasy about going full throttle with the motor pluged in.

nutz1207
10-20-2009, 12:01 AM
well that was it. recalabrated esc, left motor plugged in and tried full throttle and had solid red led. im with you cacofonix it doesn't make any sense that the motor would have to be plugged in. but it worked. but i thought that i read a post from joe that you should unplug the motor when you check for full throttle. maybe thats just for saftey.

also want to say thanks to everybody for there help. its nice to now that people are here to help when you need it.
Dustin

cacofonix
10-20-2009, 03:07 AM
yesssssssss good to find help and help others

problem leaving motor plugged is just noise !!
when doing my test yesterday, all familly went in workshop to understand what was making such noise !!!!

herve

cacofonix
10-20-2009, 08:50 AM
hi

to be complete on this subject, this morning i redo all but after upgrading ESC to 1.04 version
same behaviour
blinking without motor
full with motor

if joe has an explanation to give ....

herve