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norbique
10-07-2009, 10:01 AM
Steven,

Have you ever considered carrying some of the bigger Tenshock motors?!
The Germans are using them with great success. I've only read good things about them. They are not the typical cheap Chinese motors, but are cheaper than NEU , LMT and the other big names.

The TS 2240 6 pole looks very nice, and I've recently discovered they have an even bigger one the TS 2250 series which are also 6 pole motors.

Could you look into this?!
Thanks!
Norbert

sailr
10-07-2009, 11:24 AM
Actually, the cost in the U.S. would be about the same as NEU and NEU has the market here. We have looked at it as the SOLE DISTRIBUTOR for Tenshock in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, etc. but it just isn't economically feasible for us. Our cost is similar to that of our cost for NEU and then we must pay expensive shipping from China. The NEU motor is proven in the North American market but Tenshock is virtually unknown. It would be almost impossible to bring in an unknown motor and expect to compete against the NEU at close to the same price.

If you would PM me and give me an email address, I will contact Tenshock on your behalf to get you a list of European sources for their motors.

Good luck!

norbique
10-07-2009, 11:28 AM
Ok, thanks for the fast response Sailr!

sailr
10-07-2009, 11:29 AM
Send me your email address by PM.


Ok, thanks for the fast response Sailr!

norbique
10-07-2009, 11:32 AM
PM sent.

Jeff Wohlt
10-07-2009, 01:18 PM
http://tenshock.com/Enindex.asp

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/rcworldwidehk__W0QQ_armrsZ1QQ_fsubZ1170744017

Certainly not cheap. I think I would stay with NEU for that.

sailr
10-07-2009, 01:47 PM
EXACTLY! Now you know why we don't carry them.



http://tenshock.com/Enindex.asp

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/rcworldwidehk__W0QQ_armrsZ1QQ_fsubZ1170744017

Certainly not cheap. I think I would stay with NEU for that.

norbique
10-07-2009, 05:31 PM
OK ok I understand it now! Thank you for the replies!

Xcesive8
12-08-2009, 12:52 AM
Shame there pricey!

If there little motors are anything to go by, then id say there a really good motor.
Ive put one of the tiny tenshock motors in my minicat hydro and although rated at 4600 kv, ive been running it on 3s and waiting for it to explode spinning near 51,000 rpm, but it just wont let go!!

It absolutely flys!!

Gerwin Brommer
12-08-2009, 09:24 AM
Tenshock makes the best "China-motors" by far.

2750 series :

sailr
12-08-2009, 10:17 AM
They are GREAT motors, but for the American market they would be too expensive when compared with the NEU motors. They are also an unknown quantity in the American market. We are inquiring of our factory about the new 45mm motors however.

norbique
12-08-2009, 03:19 PM
I've just seen their new 8 pole series motors, the're totally amazing! Price is "amazing" as well...

sailr
12-08-2009, 03:25 PM
where did you see them? Got a website? Is the price 'amazingly' high or low?

norbique
12-08-2009, 03:32 PM
Hi Sailr, i'll pm you the link the price is high, but not higher than the rest of their product line.
One thing is sure, they're firmly on the German market, their main website is under construction, but the German site is done already.

Punisher 67
12-18-2009, 02:03 AM
Can you pm me the same info , thank you.............:thumbup1:

norbique
12-18-2009, 03:42 AM
certainly Peter! :) PM Sent.

RCprince
12-18-2009, 04:10 AM
http://www.tenshock-motors.de/Brushless-Elektromotoren-Brushlessmotoren-Motoren-Modellbau-Motoren-Antriebe-Buerstenlos-Motoren_9

norbique
12-18-2009, 04:16 AM
Sorry I didnt' know it is allowed to direct link here...

RCprince
12-18-2009, 09:19 AM
We can, we also try to be respectful to Steve and not link things from other sites, that he sells.

Steven Vaccaro
12-18-2009, 10:22 AM
We can, we also try to be respectful to Steve and not link things from other sites, that he sells.

I appreciate that, but also like to know when my pricing is not competitive.
Distributors are not always giving us dealers the same pricing. Sometimes I see other sites selling an item for a retail price of not much more than my dealer cost. When that happens I can go back to the distributor and twist his arm to lower my cost. Or at least say to him, what the hell is going on.

Punisher 67
12-18-2009, 11:07 AM
Those motors are certainly pricey , I am a Neu dihard and until I see something out of the stratosphere with bling and performance it with still stay that way....:bowdown:

Darin Jordan
12-18-2009, 11:18 AM
I'm surprised to see that the rotors aren't wrapped...

norbique
12-19-2009, 11:32 AM
that surprised me too...

sailr
12-19-2009, 06:44 PM
How can you tell? Did you find a site that shows them taken apart? Just curious. Maybe I don't understand?


I'm surprised to see that the rotors aren't wrapped...

Darin Jordan
12-19-2009, 08:19 PM
How can you tell? Did you find a site that shows them taken apart? Just curious. Maybe I don't understand?

See post #10... ;)

Punisher 67
12-20-2009, 12:26 AM
I'm surprised to see that the rotors aren't wrapped...

I have to agree with you on the wrap or lack off , still they do look well made at least from the picture

sailr
12-21-2009, 01:55 AM
Thanks Darin.


See post #10... ;)

norbique
12-22-2009, 05:46 AM
Despite these rotor wrap missing issues, if they're issues at all, these motors have good reputation in Europe. If you have any German friends ask them what they know they might be able to tell you more.

Jeff Wohlt
12-22-2009, 11:47 AM
Here is a good site for the motors if purchasing.

http://stores.ebay.com/rcworldwidehk_Tenshock-Brushless-Motor_W0QQ_fsubZ1170744017QQ_sidZ944560777QQ_trksi dZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322

Punisher 67
12-22-2009, 12:09 PM
Despite these rotor wrap missing issues, if they're issues at all, these motors have good reputation in Europe. If you have any German friends ask them what they know they might be able to tell you more.

There is some real quality stuff starting to come out of china , just not big on paying $200+ for a 36mm motor

sailr
12-22-2009, 05:39 PM
Totally agree Peter. That's why we are not selling them. The Europeans, on the other hand, consider them to be a bargain. Go figure, eh? THEY don't have NEU motors over there so don't know any better. Haha. The first one that runs a NEU will be yelling HOLY CRAP!


There is some real quality stuff starting to come out of china , just not big on paying $200+ for a 36mm motor

Gerwin Brommer
12-22-2009, 06:09 PM
STOP ! there ARE Europeans running Neu's !!! :banana:
Getting a pair of tenshocks from china still is cheaper for us then buying neu's from the States.

RCprince
12-22-2009, 06:18 PM
Totally agree Peter. That's why we are not selling them. The Europeans, on the other hand, consider them to be a bargain. Go figure, eh? THEY don't have NEU motors over there so don't know any better. Haha. The first one that runs a NEU will be yelling HOLY CRAP!


http://www.neumotors.com/Site/Boat_motors.html "Achim Kurrecks ran his HPR 135 cat for the first time on a nice and wide lake. He ran a twin setup of your 2215/1Y on 10s1p LiPo each. "

http://www.neumotors.com/Site/Boat_motors_files/200.jpghttp://www.neumotors.com/Site/Boat_motors_files/201.jpg

sailr
12-22-2009, 06:47 PM
Interesting. I'm sure you must know who David Nieuwland is, from Belgium? He tells me he has never seen a NEU motor. But then he runs pure competition all over Europe. Perhaps the Europeans using NEU motors are just sport boaters?


STOP ! there ARE Europeans running Neu's !!! :banana:
Getting a pair of tenshocks from china still is cheaper for us then buying neu's from the States.

Gerwin Brommer
12-22-2009, 07:16 PM
You know what they say about Belgians ?

Almost all Belgian racers use tenshock, and lifepo's !!!!
More and more germans get interested in Neu's.
You now even find Neu's to be sold in the German board.

Punisher 67
12-23-2009, 02:40 AM
I just sold 4 mounts that fit a 2230 , 2215 , 1527 , and a 1521 to a very nice fellow in Norway.......Joern Markset . I think Neu's are starting to take off over there also

NativePaul
12-23-2009, 03:58 AM
David may not have seen a Neu but I know he competed against one that was tucked inside a mono1 at the UK nationals when he came over last year.

sailr
12-23-2009, 09:18 AM
I figure it's only a matter of time that NEU will dominate in Europe. I keep telling David that he needs to become the European distributor for them.

Gerwin Brommer
12-23-2009, 05:37 PM
We cab buy Neu's in Germany.
But their assorti is airplane orientated.

norbique
12-24-2009, 08:12 AM
can you post the link Gerwin? Thanks!

Gerwin Brommer
12-24-2009, 09:20 AM
Excuse, it's Swiss now

http://www.eflight.ch/shop/USER_ARTIKEL_HANDLING_AUFRUF.php?darstellen=1&Kategorie_ID=305&PEPPERSESS=a94027546b8673a4fccfd0d1fe1cb68b&kat_last=305&grp_aktiv=&kat_aktiv=305

The Germans seem to have stopped selling

sailr
12-24-2009, 09:25 AM
Prices are not that bad either!

larryrose11
01-12-2011, 06:38 PM
So, from my understanding, th unloaded motor RPM is somthing like battery voltage*KV right?
Given this chart
http://rcworldwide.com/others/tenshock/N1025.jpg
For the 21 turn motor, with a KV=2600, it list max voltage of 32V!!
If im right in my previous assumption...

32*2600 = 83,200 RPM!!!! :rockon2:

Could the possibly be right?
They do call out special bearings as part of he build, but really?
Could his be why they are expensive?

sailr
01-12-2011, 07:15 PM
That chart is old. The viper line is replacing these. The chart is for the little 20mm motors. I doubt they can handle 82K RPM though. Note is says max watts 500 and max volts 25amps 25. That means a max of 20 volts! Volts x amps = watts.

sailr
01-20-2011, 12:25 PM
We will be testing one of the new Viper motors soon. If all goes well, we will sell them in the U.S.A.

drkdgglr
01-26-2011, 09:03 AM
About the tenshocks: the rotors don't have any wrapping. The design of the magnet physically holds the magnet in place. I don't know how to clarify this exactly, but the magnet hooks on to the rotor.

sailr
01-26-2011, 11:01 AM
Thanks for the info!

sailr
02-11-2011, 10:22 AM
We are waiting for Test Results from a boater in Florida. He is testing the bigger 6 pole VIPER motor for us. If results are good, we will begin selling them.

m4a1usr
02-11-2011, 09:06 PM
About the tenshocks: the rotors don't have any wrapping. The design of the magnet physically holds the magnet in place. I don't know how to clarify this exactly, but the magnet hooks on to the rotor.

You mean like crimped in place? Or like sliding a drawer into a cabinet? Thats an interesting way to retain the magnets. Would make assembly pretty easy at the factory.

John

drkdgglr
02-12-2011, 05:40 AM
More like sliding a door in a cabinet.
I don't know if the Viper line are assembled like this. But the normal tenshocks are.

sailr
02-12-2011, 07:50 AM
It would be interesting to see a picture of that setup