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SJFE
07-31-2007, 12:29 PM
Hear is the plan. I'm building a 21 inch cat with a graupner gt650 outboard on it. I am going brushed with the 10 cell proboat esc & Team Orion Method R V2 21x2. It's the aluminum end bell model with the cylindrical angled brushes. Being an 05 motor I felt it was the best choice. It will dissapate heat fast. I am going to run a set of 7.4v 2s 4000mah lipos in parallel. I am looking for run time. I figure the outboard will give me the manuverability I need. I am going to use carbon fiber rod and kite boom for the catch. I plan to make it retractable. It sould be plenty light enough and not weigh the bow down. I will need weight up front anyway. I am looking for low, maybe mid 20s tops. I dont want any more speed. 20 would be perfect. Parts will be ariving early in the week. I plan to have it ready for the wekend along with the jolly.

FE_Chris
07-31-2007, 11:04 PM
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

saleens7
07-31-2007, 11:09 PM
so did you shove some pipes through the jolly cat or what??

SJFE
07-31-2007, 11:22 PM
No but you are on the right track :D.

saleens7
07-31-2007, 11:23 PM
you shoved some pipes through a supervee?

FE_Chris
08-01-2007, 07:12 AM
did you super-impose a duck into doing your boat retrieval? :D

SJFE
08-01-2007, 09:19 AM
There will be no "pipe shoving" in this hull. I will post the details this eveing.

FE_Chris
08-02-2007, 07:09 AM
So South Jersey.....Am I gonna have to send the Sopranos over to your place to make you tell us what this thing is gonna be?:eek:

SJFE
08-02-2007, 09:24 AM
OK OK don't have my legs broken....lol

Doug Smock
08-02-2007, 01:51 PM
It will be interesting to see if heat will be an issue during a longer recovery.
You may find it difficult I think, to have the best of both worlds. A reliable boat capable of pushing the load of a dead (plowing) boat, and 20 MPH.

Good luck with her Tom!

Doug

saleens7
08-02-2007, 01:54 PM
i think its a perfect opportunity to see how much power these new KB45 motors have

FE_Chris
08-02-2007, 02:49 PM
Doug. Thats why I am making mine from a villain. I am gonna run it stock first, but I think I am gonna toss the lowest pinions I can find in it so the motors can work easier.

My thaught is, that with the twin screws and motors, this thing should have plenty of pushing power, even though the boat only does 15-17MPH/

I would think if I could get it to do 5mph that would be nice. Myself, I am not concerned with doing a recovery in 3 seconds, as I am having a boat thats manuverable, and stable with lots of lowend. That way I can use it when it's windy out with no problems.

God....I need to know what jersey's doing it's killing me!!!!!! ;)


It will be interesting to see if heat will be an issue during a longer recovery.
You may find it difficult I think, to have the best of both worlds. A reliable boat capable of pushing the load of a dead (plowing) boat, and 20 MPH.

Good luck with her Tom!

Doug

Doug Smock
08-02-2007, 03:55 PM
I would think if I could get it to do 5mph that would be nice. Myself, I am not concerned with doing a recovery in 3 seconds, as I am having a boat thats manuverable, and stable with lots of lowend.

That's where my head was when I built this. She's three years old now and still saving our butts.
Now she won't set any SAWs records, but she is faster than your avarage Tennesee redneck in a plastic Gamefisher with a 35lb thrust trolling motor.:D
That was one of the most exciting races I have ever been in.:cool:

Doug

FE_Chris
08-02-2007, 08:45 PM
Thats cool doug.

Sooooooooooooo jersey man. My finger's on the number to pauly. Or should I send silvio Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............ I'd send phil but they ran him over with a ford explorer! HAHAHAHA

Come on man, whatcha got?!!! It had better be good with all this anticipation and all.

SJFE
08-02-2007, 09:10 PM
Nothing yet. Waiting on parts & the hull. I wont even be starting until Tuesday evening...granted I have everything. I will have to move fast to get it don'e. It will be like the old days..:). Just sittin @ the bench hammerin it out :D.

Stealth Assassin
08-02-2007, 09:16 PM
What Is a kite boom???

hammertime
08-02-2007, 11:44 PM
maybe he is building a helicopter for air retrival lol...........that would be cool and ballsy now wouldnt it

SJFE
08-03-2007, 06:30 AM
What Is a kite boom?
They are carbon fiber planks. They are used in high end kites.

hammertime
08-03-2007, 09:42 AM
ooooooooooo high end hugh............cooooooooommmmmmmeeeeeeooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nn................i wanna know

SJFE
08-05-2007, 09:08 AM
Dude are you just drinkin all the time or are ya on crack also?:p :D. I received the hull and motor yesterday. I will get some pistures up soon. I should have everything by tuesday.

FE_Chris
08-05-2007, 02:10 PM
Yeah SJFE you had better get some pics!, we don't even know what it is yet. Or maybe I missed a post LOL

Mich. Maniac
08-05-2007, 02:51 PM
I am close to owning the whole sjfe fleet! I just cant get him to come off that jolly cat! oh well, I should have my new hull this week and its going right to the paint shop before I put any holes in it. Maybe next year vacation i'll go to jersey and we could race until we flip em and the race our recovery boats!

SJFE
08-05-2007, 03:28 PM
You are welcome anytime. The water don't freeze much here so it don't have to wait untill next season : P...

FE_Chris
08-06-2007, 09:36 AM
yeah but it still gets cold! I see snow all the time on the sopranos :D

SJFE
08-09-2007, 04:40 PM
I received my order from OSE today :). I have every thing I need in house to get rolling. I will begin preping the hull tomorrow night.

Stealth Assassin
08-09-2007, 04:44 PM
What hull did you choose?

SJFE
08-09-2007, 04:56 PM
Im going to use the one I got from Deigoboy. I'm going to fill in the gaps, sand it down and fab a new hatch.

SJFE
08-11-2007, 01:11 AM
I got the hull sanded down, gaps filled & water cooling installed on the motor tonight. Had a bit of a set back with the GT650. I may be going with an EP1. I hope to sand prime and paint tomorrow evening. I will have some pics up in the afternoon tomorrow.

Stealth Assassin
08-11-2007, 08:17 AM
What did you fill with?

SJFE
08-11-2007, 11:49 AM
Believe it or not I stuck with what I know. After a trip to a couple stores I found somthing I didnt like about evry thing I looked @. So I broke out the 24 hour Devcon. I let it sit for about 5 minutes then applied it with a knife. It was still really workable and ran down into the gaps nice. I'm doing the final sanding this afternoon. I hope to get a few good coats of paint on it tonight.

SJFE
08-11-2007, 09:51 PM
I have the first coat of primer drying now. I will only need 2 solid coats to cover it all up. I finished the sanding with 220 grit. I am headed out to fab a new hatch now. As you can see I have 2 coils around the motor. A jacket was out of the question. The cans vented every where.

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Diegoboy
08-11-2007, 10:37 PM
Tom, Dood over at BBY will sell just the hatch for $9.
It'll be all white & look like this...
http://www.bbyracing.com/gallery/Cat01.jpg

Do you want me to get you one?

SJFE
08-11-2007, 11:13 PM
LOL just emailed Randy 5 minutes ago....funny stuff :P. Thanks man.

SJFE
08-11-2007, 11:26 PM
Well shes primed. A coat of white will go on in the morning and the day glow orange will be applied in the evening. I'll sure up the stern and start on electrics Monday. Mr V is fixin the glitch with the GTX650 for me :). It's nice to be back on the job :D.

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yz120
08-11-2007, 11:57 PM
[QUOTE=SJFE;11308][B][I][COLOR="Navy"]I have the first coat of primer drying now. I will only need 2 solid coats to cover it all up. I finished the sanding with 220 grit. I am headed out to fab a new hatch now. As you can see I have 2 coils around the motor. A jacket was out of the question. The cans vented every where.










iv`e got that same end bell on my losi xxxt:p

SJFE
08-12-2007, 12:10 AM
Yeah the v2 endbell is the best in the business. The epic shock endbell is nice also. I burned 2 of them up in my abc f550. That was before I learned prop selection and how to test.

Diegoboy
08-12-2007, 08:31 AM
Wow. She looks good! :D

Stealth Assassin
08-12-2007, 09:15 AM
Just a helpfull hint... Paint or primer Is allways a minimum 2 step process. First, Know your pot life! Lay down a light coat. Let It start to tack up then lay down a slower thicker coat (not to slow)before It dries. etc...

On projects where you need to build up with the primer, you can use a thick filling primer like slick sand from evercoat. Depending on temp pot life Is about 45 mins. roughly every 15 mins you can lay a thick coat on.
When your done, you have a thick coating to sand to get smooth. works great over rough fiberglass out of the mold without gel coat.

SJFE
08-12-2007, 02:05 PM
Thanks Danny :). Thanks for the paint advice Stealth :).

Doug Smock
08-12-2007, 03:26 PM
I'm waiting to see the guts. LOL She's looking good Tom.

Doug

SJFE
08-13-2007, 05:32 PM
Thanks Doug it did look good @ that point lol. I have had a pain DISASTER :mad: !!. I don't really understand why. It was preped right and both colors and primer is the same brand and ment for plastic.. I am just a little more than pissed. Like a smeckle I kept trying to recoat it instead if just accepting it wasent going to cover. I DRED sanding this crap off back down to the primer. After fixing this cluster_ _ _ _ i'm just going to leave it gloss whit and sticker it. I quit.....

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Stealth Assassin
08-13-2007, 06:10 PM
Did you use a degreaser before applying the paint? Also did you get full coverage with the primer?:o

SJFE
08-13-2007, 08:06 PM
By the book on everything. I am stumped:confused:

Mich. Maniac
08-13-2007, 08:30 PM
if ya havent done anything yet try scuffing that area and re-priming that area again. then scuff one more time and try paint again

SJFE
08-13-2007, 11:27 PM
Worth a try..thanks

SJFE
08-14-2007, 10:00 PM
See this is what happens when you have had ENOUGH. I scuffed the seprations, preped it & noticed some tape glue in the white area on the bow. So I tryed to peal it off. No good. I used some nail polish remover on it. Well than just made it bind to the paint and create puddy. So I bust out the sander..That just starts mixing it..So I push a little harder an the hull cracks down the freeboard on both sides.... Then I stomped the s_ _ t out of it. That was the most satisfaction I got from the entire project so far. Looking for a new hull......

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e343/STOAK/DSC00913.jpg

saleens7
08-14-2007, 10:13 PM
.....:eek: :confused: :p :D ....

Stealth Assassin
08-14-2007, 11:19 PM
Ahhahahahahaha!!!.... LMAO! Dude you crack me up...:D I am still laughing!

Doug Smock
08-15-2007, 12:06 AM
Ahhahahahahaha!!!.... LMAO! Dude you crack me up... I am still laughing!

No doubt.......... I especially like the "most satisfaction part" ha ha ha :D

Dang Tom, I'm sorry man. It's still a good thread. LOL;)
I've been there before, just couldn't bring myself to smash the s*&% out of it.
Man.......... I bet that did feel good. ROFLMAO

It looks like the paint just slid.:(
Doug

SJFE
08-15-2007, 12:54 AM
I have been know to brake things...not much any more but I reverted this eveing...lol. Yes it did slide...crapy brand. I should have stuck with my Krylon. The threads still goin. I'm on the hunt...outboards in the shop. Stay Tuned :).

Stealth Assassin
08-15-2007, 08:15 AM
Remember dude... degreaser, light coat(very light), let It tack then a thicker(not to thick) second coat. Don't try to lay the paint on all at once.

I feel your pain bro but, thanks for a good laugh!;)

SJFE
08-15-2007, 09:43 AM
I'm going to live by those instructions...lol. It was my pleasure believe me:D.

SJFE
08-16-2007, 06:57 PM
I have been waiting for these hulls to come down in price from 75 bucks. Today I got my wish. I guy is listing them for 45 bucks delivered. After selling my imortal soul to the devil for 45 bucks.... SOLD!! lol 30x9 with 5 inches of freeboard and a whole lot of room inside. It wont make much past 20mph if that but I dont care @ this point. I'm going to build a gillbracket and hang that outboard off the stern. Screw a catch on the bow and be done with it.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e343/STOAK/Rb1.jpg

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saleens7
08-16-2007, 07:01 PM
it makes me laugh reading its a "super" receiver, and "reliable performance"...me experiences with them tell me the exact oposite...

SJFE
08-16-2007, 07:12 PM
Oh yeah every thing in this hull is a pile of crap for sure. I'm sure the hulls soft too. But it don't have to to anything but float and push. Anyway it will be smaller lighter and easer to tote than the tug was.

Doug Smock
08-16-2007, 07:38 PM
[QUOTE=saleens7;11745]it makes me laugh reading its a "super" receiver, and "reliable performance"..QUOTE]

AND IT'S POWERED BY A SC1700 !!!!!! LOL:D

Are you build her as she is Tom, or put one of those professional paint jobs on her?? LOL
Sorry guy,:o you knew someone was going to go there. ROFL ;)

Doug :)

SJFE
08-16-2007, 07:45 PM
LOL.....I was waitin for that from some one:D. I will be leaving the paint alone on this jem. I should have it done just in time to get married and be gone for 2 weeks....lol.

Doug Smock
08-16-2007, 07:49 PM
LOL.....I was waitin for that from some one:D. I will be leaving the paint alone on this jem. I should have it done just in time to get married and be gone for 2 weeks....lol.

LOL Good luck with her, both of the hers.
Congratulations and god bless.;)

Doug

SJFE
08-16-2007, 07:52 PM
Thanks Buddy :).

hammertime
08-17-2007, 03:27 PM
wish i wasnt out of town for so long i could have gotten you the mrp budlight cat.......... only the phantom version....

Steven Vaccaro
08-17-2007, 04:46 PM
See this is what happens when you have had ENOUGH. I scuffed the seprations, preped it & noticed some tape glue in the white area on the bow. So I tryed to peal it off. No good. I used some nail polish remover on it. Well than just made it bind to the paint and create puddy. So I bust out the sander..That just starts mixing it..So I push a little harder an the hull cracks down the freeboard on both sides.... Then I stomped the s_ _ t out of it. That was the most satisfaction I got from the entire project so far. Looking for a new hull......

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e343/STOAK/DSC00913.jpg


THATS GREAT!!!! Kick the crap out of that thing!!!

At a race a guy squashed a Electro Vee he just raced with a picnic table. Lets just say the table won!!

FE_Chris
08-18-2007, 01:55 PM
Jersey, that sucks man. I feel for ya. I ripped a hole in a OM21 boat I was gonna build. Got so pissed I sold it......cheap.

Nice NQD. lol :-)

SJFE
08-18-2007, 02:20 PM
Nice NQD. lol :-)

Yeh shes a peach aint she :P. All I require of it is to float...lol

SJFE
08-23-2007, 07:56 PM
Got the boat today. It's a thin flexable flyer just as i suspected. perfect for what I intend to do with it. My new EP1 will be here by the weekend. I will have it finished for Sunday. Look for the mod pictures Saturday night.

SJFE
08-26-2007, 01:21 AM
Ok so I got some stuff done today. I gutted it this morning. Filled all the screw holes with epoxy. Then this evening I slapped a gill bracket together. Nothing fancy as you can see. It wound up being slighly off center but it won't matter. It's wide enough to still center the OB. I put a set of Sv tabs on it to extend the hull a bit. I thought it would be a good idea because of the extra weight hanging off the back. Then I busted out the 24 hour devcon. I coated the better part of the stern with it. I needed to not only seal the holes but stiffen it up a little more. Tomorrow I am going to stiffin up a section of the tunnel in order to mount the electronics batteries and so on. I'll hang the OB also. I should be able to test it monday after work.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e343/STOAK/DSC00927.jpg

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SJFE
09-02-2007, 01:29 AM
Ok well I got some free time tonight and was able to knock this boat out. All I have left is the catch rig. The proboat esc is mounted on a plastic box I found for the rx. The tunnel has a sheet of lexan across it. I needed to stiffen it up & a level area to mount the internals. I installed the orion 21x2 v2 motor in the ep1. I used 3mm bullets for the motor and made my own parallel deans 2 into 1 connector. Sorry for the quality of the pictures. MrsSjfe took her camera out tonight...the nerv:tongue_smilie:. I will try and get a test in tomorrow or monday.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e343/STOAK/PIC-0117.jpg

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Jeepers
09-02-2007, 02:47 AM
Hey that looks cool with the outboard hangin off the back!

Stealth Assassin
09-02-2007, 08:39 AM
:iagree:

Outboard cats look cool. Hell I have one.:buttrock:

Doozie870
09-02-2007, 09:05 AM
Bravo! :thumbup1:

SJFE
09-02-2007, 09:49 AM
Thanks fellas:) . I'm going to paint that gill bracket tonight. Just gota figure out what I'm doin for a push rig now & get it built. I'll have it in the water this evening. It will hold me over until proboat relieces the apache. Then I'll bolt this outboard on the back of that.

Jeepers
09-02-2007, 01:38 PM
Thanks fellas:) . I'm going to paint that gill bracket tonight. Just gota figure out what I'm doin for a push rig now & get it built. I'll have it in the water this evening. It will hold me over until proboat relieces the apache. Then I'll bolt this outboard on the back of that.


The apache:confused1: :confused1: whats that?

I dont keep up with rtrs to much.

Jeepers
09-02-2007, 01:40 PM
:iagree:

Outboard cats look cool. Hell I have one.:buttrock:

: it would look COOLER with 2 outboards!:buttrock:

SJFE
09-02-2007, 01:41 PM
They have a litte 24x9 abs brushed cat in rtr trim due out in October. 139 bucks & its the size hull withthe amount offreeboard I was looking for. I just couldent wait on it so I built this.

SJFE
09-02-2007, 01:44 PM
I agree 2 OB's would have been neet. When I do build a scale offshore cat it will have twin OB's or IO's. That project it way way down the road..but planned.

Stealth Assassin
09-02-2007, 09:30 PM
Most all 1:1 cats do not like much setback... :tiphat:

Where did you see the proboat apache???

SJFE
09-02-2007, 10:05 PM
On proboats site. In this case I had no choice. I t was either cut the back of the stern off or make the bracket. This was less work. Had I cut that seem out the transom would have been about a ridged as a garbage bag...lol

SJFE
09-03-2007, 11:47 AM
Well I'll call this one complete. I had planed to use carbon rods for a catch. But since this boats only holding me over for a couple months I didn't want to waist the money. So I busted out some wire coat hangers and went to work. Very simple to work with and when braced pretty strong. I even used a peice to brace the steering linkage.lol handy stuff. Im off to the lake shortly to test this thing out. I'll have a clip later on this afternoon.


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Mich. Maniac
09-03-2007, 01:32 PM
Is that enough padding? even though this is to rescue boats that are upside down or stalled. you dont want boats such as the jolly to be scratched. At the time of resue you wouldnt mind a scratch to get it safely to shore. maybe its just the pics. I kinda question the strength of hanger wire as well. upside down 36" cat can have quite a bit of drag. Grand Idea with the outboard! awesome

Mich. Maniac
09-03-2007, 01:35 PM
good thing im typing and not talking so i can take this foot outta my mouth. This is just a couple month setup. Get r done! sorry for questioning.

Ocean Racer
09-08-2007, 05:54 PM
That's where my head was when I built this. She's three years old now and still saving our butts.
Now she won't set any SAWs records, but she is faster than your avarage Tennesee redneck in a plastic Gamefisher with a 35lb thrust trolling motor.:D
That was one of the most exciting races I have ever been in.:cool:

Doug
Did u build a pump to fill ur rescue boat with water and then and then pump it out:confused1:

Ocean Racer
09-08-2007, 06:17 PM
ya im going to have to go with Mich on this one
Hey didnt u say u have some carbonfiber thing ???

Doug Smock
09-08-2007, 10:18 PM
Did u build a pump to fill ur rescue boat with water and then and then pump it out:confused1:


No sir, the net is capable of lowering 60 degrees. It is operated by a 12vdc actuator.:thumbup1:

Doug

Ocean Racer
09-08-2007, 11:17 PM
what do u use to propell it a water jet or prop
and what is that solar pannel looking thing on the roof the circle with lights???

Team A-Hull
09-09-2007, 03:05 PM
Can't wait to see the results on this one! Sounds like a fun build! Hope the hull works out for you because your other hull has a slight scratch and a ding on it! lol! I've wanted to do the same thing a number of times. Good call on smashing the s--- out of that one, i feel your frustration.

Hope the build goes well!

Doug Smock
09-09-2007, 09:05 PM
what do u use to propell it a water jet or prop
and what is that solar pannel looking thing on the roof the circle with lights???

Twin screws driven by Bosch drill motors. Two Proboat ESCs controlled by a stick radio. She drives like a Bobcat. (no rudders)

Doug

Ocean Racer
09-09-2007, 10:49 PM
Nice whats the dementions on the rescue boat