Rio EP Pics!

[v-spec]

Well I finally got it! Took 10 days to get here but I'm real pleased with the looks of this little boat!

I snapped a few pics 20 seconds after I took it out of the box to show it off. I'll get some more in depth info once I get it on the water! Anyways here they are! :banana:

[v-spec]

A few more!

[Doby]

Looks nice, are all the different colors decals or is it paint?

Thanks

[SweetZ28]

Looks neat wonder why the over hang on the back of the boat?
Get some video!!:buttrock:

[westbeach]

Looks like the trim tab and turn fin are one piece. Great idea, saves from having too many holes in the transom. Is that a stock prop that came with the boat? Definitely looking fwd to a vid of your maiden run. :thumbup1:

[v-spec]

They are stickers. The ones on the deck might come off pretty easy when untaping the hatch too.

Not sure about the overhang on the back but I kinda like how it looks! Maybe it's a swim step upside down!?:bounce:

[v-spec]

Looks like the trim tab and turn fin are one piece. Great idea, saves from having too many holes in the transom. Is that a stock prop that came with the boat? Definitely looking fwd to a vid of your maiden run. :thumbup1:

Yep they are one piece. And as far as the prop it looks to be a 42mm frp prop. Kinda big for this sucker!

From the looks of it it's the same old motor and esc from the Hammer EP, so they prob stuck this big prop on the boat to pick up some speed.

Might be maxed out on prop size already but I've got a bunch of props I can test on it once I'm sure everything is running good.

[SweetZ28]

Hi there does this boat have a real flex wire cable drive or a solid type cable?
THANKS

[v-spec]

It's got a flex shaft.

[SweetZ28]

It's got a flex shaft.

Cool!! Get us some video !!:thumbup1:

[v-spec]

Got a quick clip of the Rio EP. I forgot my camera of all things in my hurry to get to the pond before dark to get a video. Cell phone clip will have to do till I can get something better when I have more time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Ca6h_7DJU

[EPower]

Looks neat wonder why the over hang on the back of the boat?
Get some video!!:buttrock:

The real boat over hangs just like that :thumbup1:

[x2beach]

It actually looks pretty fast... 23-25mph ? I been thinking about getting one and putting my tp 2c5400 lipo in it with a cutoff

[SweetZ28]

Looks good...How fast you think it is stock?
And do you think the hull is worthy of a mild brushless upgrade?

THANKS

[v-spec]

I'll get the gps in it today but honestly I think it's doing maybe 13mph. I taped it up in a hurry to get some video before dark then noticed the gps was sitting next to the boat lol.

I made sure to run it box stock even though I seen some adjustments that needed to be made. The turn fins are bent totally crooked 1 side of the rudder mount is crooked also.

The boat seems trimmed and balanced pretty good for the power it has and my girlfriend really enjoyed running it. (she never wants to run my fast boats) she ran an entire pack this time out and 1/2 of another one I was pretty happy about that! That was worth the $150 the boat cost to me! :smile:

[v-spec]

Looks good...How fast you think it is stock?
And do you think the hull is worthy of a mild brushless upgrade?

THANKS

I totally think it's worth a brushless upgrade! I bought it with the intention to do just that. I've got some very nice setups I could stick in it but I'm not going to do it. I need to find a decent inexpensive setup that people can do without spending another $200+ on motor esc etc.

If you are thinking of picking up the Rio EP I would say go for it. The radio alone is worth it! :beerchug:

[SweetZ28]

I totally think it's worth a brushless upgrade! I bought it with the intention to do just that. I've got some very nice setups I could stick in it but I'm not going to do it. I need to find a decent inexpensive setup that people can do without spending another $200+ on motor esc etc.

If you are thinking of picking up the Rio EP I would say go for it. The radio alone is worth it! :beerchug:
Thanks
PS i ordered from swanghobby.com a water cooled 35amp brushless ESC and a 3.300KV motor that i am putting in my apache 24 it was shipped i believe for around $100.00 I looked at the proboat widow maker and it has a 30 amp ESC and a 2900KV motor so that's what i went by when figuring out my brushless purchase.

I am waiting for it to arive.

[6S HYDRO]

put a lipo in it asap.... light and powerful

[hyrulejedi86]

I wonder if a 3900 KV motor would be even better with this boat

[Brushless55]

Hmmm..
a cheap hobbycity brushless motor and esc on 2s could be alot of fun and possibly very reliable in this boat..

[Brushless55]

Just did some quick math and a cheap 3000kv motor on 2s should put this little Rio into the 30s?

[hyrulejedi86]

That would be sweet!!

[Brushless55]

After reading these threads on the new Rio EP, I bought one and it should be at my house next week!
I need to finish my UL-1 repaint and put back together my MV, and get my MM going again..
these FEs are very addictive!

[soulreaper]

My Rio should be here in a few hours. I plan on running a 2cell 5000mah 30C lipo in it. I will keep my run times down to five minutes each and check esc temps. I will be installing a lipo low voltage cutoff also. I will try and take pics as well as load a video tomorrow 10.9.09. I might need some one to give me a quick tutorial on how to load videos, and pics, since I have never done anything like this before. I promise I will keep you posted. Stay tuned. :thumbup1:

[hyrulejedi86]

You Tube! Woot Woot!!

Can't wait to see I think I'm going to run a 3600kv watecooled motor with an 80A water cooled ESC and 3S 3000mAh battery 30C.

[hyrulejedi86]

Hey, what are the exact dimensions in mm of the stock motor?

[Brushless55]

You Tube! Woot Woot!!

Can't wait to see I think I'm going to run a 3600kv watecooled motor with an 80A water cooled ESC and 3S 3000mAh battery 30C.



even on 2s that baby would be fast! :thumbup1:

[hyrulejedi86]

That is definetly what I want.

Once, I get the boat and order the parts I'll post a new thread on the build with a video. But it will probably take a few weeks to get the boat and get the parts and put it together.

[Brushless55]

Let us know!
I have a 3660 4000kv motor and nothing to put it in..
Hmmmm :confused2:

what to do, what to do??

[hyrulejedi86]

RIO EP RIO EP!!!! I vote Rio EP


I was considering a 4800kv but thats probably too much, that's why I found a 3600kv that can take 2-4s so if 3 isn't enough I can just put 2 2s together and get more speed. I just need to find out the size of the stock motor as I haven't gotten one for myself yet.

[Brushless55]

It's a 550 can

[6S HYDRO]

3600 on 4s would get too hot too quick, but would be extremely fast for a saw type run

[hyrulejedi86]

Even with water cooling it would get too hot?

[6S HYDRO]

yes on 4s, try 3s and the right prop and it would fly

[hyrulejedi86]

Well 3s was the plan anyhow, so I'm sure it'll be fine

[Brushless55]

Think I'm going to try my 6L motor on 2s and see how she goes...

[Brushless55]

Wait hold up!
I have a spare SV27 motor and esc.. hmmm

[hyrulejedi86]

I was thinking about this motor:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5145&Product_Name=TR_28-45_3600kv_Brushless_Inrunner_(WaterCooled)

and like I said 3S so hopefully they will work together well and give me some great speed.

[Brushless55]

that should ripp!

[hyrulejedi86]

Oh I hope so, I have been so excited to get going on it!

[Brushless55]

if you can try it on 2s first to check that things will no fly apart and get to hot..
even on 2s it should fly!

[hyrulejedi86]

I don't have any 2s batteries or 3s I was just going to order them when I ordered the motor. Which whould I get, or should I just get a couple of each?

[Brushless55]

I don't have any 2s batteries or 3s I was just going to order them when I ordered the motor. Which whould I get, or should I just get a couple of each?


Well on 2s that motor will have twice the rpm of the stock motor and will run cooler on 2s... possible 30s
but 3s it would ripp!
hope nothing heats up to much on 3s

[hyrulejedi86]

So, I Picked up my Rio EP today but I didn't realize it didn't come with any batteries and unfortunatly I don't have any batteries besides 3s 1300mAh and I was wondering if this would just be too much for the stock motor?

[Brushless55]

its only a 1300mah battery so the amps wont hurt but the volts may?

[hyrulejedi86]

well it's a 30c 1300mAh so that could still be too much. I just don't know. I hate to have to wait but I might have to wait until my new equiptment comes to run it. :(

[Brushless55]

that's only 39amps!
not all that much, the volts could be the issue, not sure how long the esc will last on 3s

[hyrulejedi86]

I guess I'll just wait for the upgrades and not chance it.

[hyrulejedi86]

I was taking a look at the Rio Ep and I was wondering if anyone has worked out how to get into the waterproof compartment without damaging anything? That is besides just using the removeable clear cover.


I withdrawl my question. You can get to anything through the opening the clear plastic piece covers. Just in case anyone else would wonder. :thumbup1:

[soulreaper]

Hyrule in my post "Rio my thoughts" I mentioned that I tried this boat first with a 2cell lipo and then I ran a 3cell 3000mah 30C. This woke the Rio up. I ran the boat for about ten minutes and everything was still fine. I plan on running this boat with a three cell until something smokes, but I think this esc can handle 11.v no problem. This is my opinion.

[hyrulejedi86]

Well, that's good to know. I might have to give it a try then!
Thanks for the reply

[Brushless55]

I was taking a look at the Rio Ep and I was wondering if anyone has worked out how to get into the waterproof compartment without damaging anything? That is besides just using the removeable clear cover.


I withdrawl my question. You can get to anything through the opening the clear plastic piece covers. Just in case anyone else would wonder. :thumbup1:


Use clear electrical tape on the hatch and it will seal up all real nice :thumbup1:

[hyrulejedi86]

and they even included some clear scotch-like tape with the kit too!!

[Brushless55]

and they even included some clear scotch-like tape with the kit too!!

Have you had a chance to run it on 3s yet?
mine will be hear on wed.. :bounce:

[hyrulejedi86]

I havent as I have a deans connector on the battery and the boat has those white clip connectors. i have to find a spare male deans to install before i can do that. I did however find an old battery that will work.

[hyrulejedi86]

So, I was looking at the motor and the size of that area. I was wondering if a motor mount that the brushless motor physically screws into is going to be neccessary because of the increase of power. Since, the stock motor only has a bracket that goes over top of the motor does anyone have any suggestions of a mount that would fit?

So far as I can figure, the holes are about 50mm apart.


Also, I was wondering if 2.85 per cell is too low of a voltage cut off. I'm asking because an ESC I found allows you to choose the cutoff voltage and they allow you to choose between 2.6/2.85/3.1V per cell.

[Brushless55]

So, I was looking at the motor and the size of that area. I was wondering if a motor mount that the brushless motor physically screws into is going to be neccessary because of the increase of power. Since, the stock motor only has a bracket that goes over top of the motor does anyone have any suggestions of a mount that would fit?

So far as I can figure, the holes are about 50mm apart.


Also, I was wondering if 2.85 per cell is too low of a voltage cut off. I'm asking because an ESC I found allows you to choose the cutoff voltage and they allow you to choose between 2.6/2.85/3.1V per cell.


The stock mount should work just fine with a 540 can..
and the lipo cut off, I would stay with the 3.1v setting and no lower.. IMO

[hyrulejedi86]

So, my parts finally shipped to upgrade to brushless. I will start my own thread once they get here and I get started!!

[soulreaper]

As long as your motor is at a minimum 36mm in circumference it will mount using the stock parts. My brushless is 36mm and would not fit snug in the stock mount. I had to take the cooling coil sleeve and slide that onto my brushless and then into the mount and it snugged up perfect. I then took the cooling coil and carefully tightened it so that it would fit onto the brushless motor. I posted pictures on the "Brushless soon thread"

Reaper.

[Brushless55]

So, my parts finally shipped to upgrade to brushless. I will start my own thread once they get here and I get started!!

Awesome bro! Keep us posted, I may tag along with a new thread..
I'm going to get a brushless set up for my Rio ep this weekend..

What motor did you go with?

[soulreaper]

Hyrule, did you order another prop? or are you going to use the prop that came with the boat.

Reaper

[hyrulejedi86]

I actually decided to go with this one:

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5145&Product_Name=TR_28-45_3600kv_Brushless_Inrunner_(WaterCooled)

It had good reviews on their website along with a couple of videos that showed it in use and I liked the built in water cooling jacket. It seems like it would be more effective than using the one that came with the Rio EP.


I did actually ordered a 34mm prop and I was going to get a 31mm to try but they were out when I ordered.
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7359&Product_Name=Turnigy_4mm_AquaProp__34x25x13mm.

[Brushless55]

That motor should zip real good!
built in water cooling looks good to

[hyrulejedi86]

Yeah, it definetly looked like it was moving when one of the reviewers posted a video on their mono that looked a little bulkier than the Rio EP and it was moving really well.

Here is a link to that video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1627787349924444853

[hyrulejedi86]

I'm just so impatient waiting for these parts when I'm excited about doing something like this!!

[Brushless55]

It sounds great! :thumbup1:

[thegreat1]

hyrule that motor might be a little small. it is only a 380. i use the same motor in my mini rio. if i were you i would look into a 540s or maybe l you need the torque and the 540 should run cooler

[thegreat1]

one of these would probably be a better bet.

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5146&Product_Name=HXT_36-56_2700kv_Brushless_Inrunner_(WaterCooled)



http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=8593&Product_Name=3660SL_3060kv_Brushless_Inrunner_(Wat erCooled)

[hyrulejedi86]

It's a bit late, the motors already on it's way here. We won't know what happens until it's in the boat and going.

[hyrulejedi86]

I have a question that someone I was talking to mentioned. If you have an ESC that is say 60A and you hook that up to the Rio EP. But you have a motor that is only 40A, will the ESC draw 60A from the battery all the time no matter what? Or can the ESC pull lower amps depending on the demand of the motor.

I'm asking because the person I was talking to indicated that a 60A continuous ESC would drain the battery really fast.

[Brushless55]

I have a question that someone I was talking to mentioned. If you have an ESC that is say 60A and you hook that up to the Rio EP. But you have a motor that is only 40A, will the ESC draw 60A from the battery all the time no matter what? Or can the ESC pull lower amps depending on the demand of the motor.

I'm asking because the person I was talking to indicated that a 60A continuous ESC would drain the battery really fast.

Well it's not the esc that draws the amps..
The motor is what draws the amps under load, so if the motor only pulls 35A the 60A esc will be safe and should run cool
The esc is more like a faucet that lets the current through to the motor, and the motor is what draws it through the esc..
but if the motor would draw more amps than what the esc is rated for the esc will be over worked and fry..
not sure if this makes sence :confused1:

It's in my head and to early in the morning to get it all to come out :w00t:

[hyrulejedi86]

I understand that idea I guess what I'm getting at is the play time I will get out of the setup. They suggested that just because the ESC was a 60A continuous draw that it would but down the play time.

[Brushless55]

If you understand that the motor draws the amps and not the esc then a 100A esc would have same run time as the 60A or even a 200A esc.. :thumbup1:

[hyrulejedi86]

Good, that's what I understood before that guy suggested what he did I just wanted to ask because I trust what is said here a bit more than him.

[Brushless55]

Awesome!
my explanation was not the best, but your on the right path! :thumbup1:

[hyrulejedi86]

Thanks! My parts should be here this week!! Can't wait till I get my own thread then!

[hyrulejedi86]

I was thinking of using liquid elctrical tape to waterproof the ESC along with thermal compound and a water cooled heat sink. If I put the heatsink on and then painted the liquid electrical tape around the ESC with the cover it comes with still on it and covering the ends where the wires go in do you guys think that that will keep it waterproof/mostly water resistant or is that not a good idea?


FYI: I know about the waterproof box that comes with the Rio EP but I was thinking just in case and also because my friend is putting together a boat of his own but not the Rio EP and it doesn't have a waterproof box.