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  • ebfoxbat
    Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 38

    #1

    Deep V surfer

    First off, thank you to the many of you who have put up with me the past week or so. I know it's irritating to have a newbie stumbling through seasoned forums.

    I'm on a quest to have a hopped-up kyosho quality surfer. Since they can't be bought readily, I'm going to make one. I've thought about upgrading the fake one I have now (new to market available at select Sears and Walmarts) but that will always be a toy.

    I've also thought about making a hull from scratch and cannibalizing a RTR boat. That way I'll know I bought components that work well together as I take them apart and learn. As I tried to design a hull I realized it's going to be such an unconventional "boat" that it's too much for a first-time build. There would be no real transom and the rudder would be a fin.

    This morning I was sketching and I came up with this. I'd love to to have some veteran advice on this shape. It's basically a deep vee with a surfboard deck up top. The deck will be much wider than the vee. Probabaly 1"-1.5" of overhang on each side. I'm going to put the 2 battery packs in a V-formation on eachside of the vee. The theory is that the waterline will be the bottom of the deck making the center of gravity below the waterline and thus self-righting.

    Initial plans are to over-power it with a brushless and a big prop to get it moving but cap-out the top-end speed. Having a transom should make it a lot easier for me to learn with.

    So please, your thoughts, comments and wisdom are truly appreciated.
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    Last edited by ebfoxbat; 04-06-2007, 08:26 AM.
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  • saleens7
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Apr 2007
    • 1108

    #2
    its not irritating having a newb on the forums..

    the slope that the vee traveks on (from a side view) will mean that when in plane, it will tip forwward and dive into the water....

    saleens7, the wookie of rc boating

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    • ebfoxbat
      Member
      • Apr 2007
      • 38

      #3
      Would this work any better?
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      • Steven Vaccaro
        Administrator
        • Apr 2007
        • 8718

        #4
        A copy was on ebay. You may want to look into one of those. Although I'm not sure how good it was.
        Steven Vaccaro

        Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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        • saleens7
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Apr 2007
          • 1108

          #5
          maybe...but i think it would be better to make the entire bottom of the board a smallow vee type hull.
          saleens7, the wookie of rc boating

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          • ebfoxbat
            Member
            • Apr 2007
            • 38

            #6
            The low point in the hull is going to be pretty heavy. When on plane it shouldn't be too nose-high. I'll have some trim tabs I'm sure, but I don't want it to be nose-high, hence the curled up nose of the surfboard part.
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            • ebfoxbat
              Member
              • Apr 2007
              • 38

              #7
              I want a deep V so that when it's upside-down it'll be so unstable that it flips back to downside-down. With my original drawing, it should plane on the deck's bottom instead of the V. The entire V would be submerged. It's not going to be very fast. But it should be very floaty and very bottom heavy. I can always play with weight distribution and trim tabs to keep it planing.

              It should be aquadynamically on plane but not look it. The leading edge of the V will cut through the water while the huge bottom of the deck will keep it floating.

              If the deck were to detach from the V it would sink (even if it were sealed) The V's purpose is to give me a transom.
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              • ebfoxbat
                Member
                • Apr 2007
                • 38

                #8
                Well I've got the foam. The glue between layers is drying.
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                • Rex R
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 992

                  #9
                  if you have surface piercing drive setup with the prop under the overhang. it might not ventilate properly and have problems getting up on plane
                  Still waiting for my boat to come in.it came in

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                  • ebfoxbat
                    Member
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 38

                    #10
                    Ok, I've shaped it. I used the pink foam from Home Depot. I'm very happy with the shape. I took my time and it paid off; it came out better than I thought it could.

                    What kind of resin/epoxy do you guys use with that pink insulation foam?
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                    • SJFE
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4735

                      #11
                      Dude I would say to build one like a real surfboard. Make it like 35 inches long and 4 inches deep by about 10 inches wide.Loose the deep V and go for a flat hull with skegs like the real thing. Hollow out the gear compartment 3/4s of the way toward the rear of the hull. Then install a jet drive. Hid the drives outlet under the hull in a notch. I would use a. 8 or 9XL on 12 cells. That’s how I'd do it. No reason you can't.

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                      • ebfoxbat
                        Member
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 38

                        #12
                        If I could figure out how to make it self-righting like that I would. Right now I plan on putting 2 packs in parallel in the V making it so bottom heavy that it'll be unstable upside down and thus right itself.

                        I couldn't think of a way to make the COG reasonably far below the waterline. Because of the nature of surfing (launching off waves and tumbling in white-water) self-righting is a must have feature.

                        PS: Hey a new default font. Coolness.
                        Last edited by ebfoxbat; 04-09-2007, 11:14 AM.
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                        • ebfoxbat
                          Member
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 38

                          #13
                          Any ideas for self-righting without having something heavy down in the bottom of the V ?
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