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  • Darin Jordan
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Apr 2007
    • 8335

    #1

    1/6th Scale Crackerbox - Ruleset

    Hi Gang... The boys over at RumRunner Racing have been discussing playing around with a new Club level racing class, and since it was discussed here for a bit as well, I thought I'd post the ruleset we've come up with.

    The class will be the 1/6th Scale Crackerbox, and will use the same power rules as the current 1/10th Scale Unlimiteds (SV27, BJ26, or Himax 3630-1500 on 4S).

    Several people have already started scratch builds, and I know of at least one glass hull that is going to be available shortly...

    Should be a fun class to play around with. We figured we'd share the rules so if clubs want to participate, everyone will be on the same page and getting together to race these won't be an issue.

    The rules are quite literally the current NAMBA Gas Crackerbox rules combined with the current NAMBA 1/10th FE Crackerbox rules, with the dimensions adjusted to fit the 1/6th scale size...

    Let the FUN begin!!

    The rules are as follows:

    1/6th Scale Crackerbox
    A. All boats will be models of full sized Crackerboxes.

    B. The letter “P” must precede or follow the NAMBA number on each side of the hull.

    C. The minimum length will be 28 inches and maximum length will be 32 inches.

    D. Minimum beam width will be 9.5 inches.

    E. Minimum transom width will be 8.25 inches.

    F. The bottom must be generally flat with a maximum of a 5-degree V at the transom. There may not be any pads or lap strakes.

    G. The deck and hatch must resemble that of a full sized Crackerbox.

    H. Two drivers of 1/6th scale size and appearance, wearing helmets and life preservers must be used. A steering wheel, instrument panel, and other detailing is encouraged.

    I. No servo adjusted trim tabs are permitted.

    J. Drive Train
    1) A single motor will be coupled directly to a straight drive shaft. A flex shaft may be used in a straight tube.

    2) The propeller may not extend beyond the back edge of the transom.

    3) Trim plates may be used.

    4) Steering will be by a rudder mounted under the hull or attached to the transom.

    5) No part (rudder, trim plates, etc) may more than 2" behind the transom.
    K. Motor Specification
    1) Power in this class shall be limited to a single HIMAX HB3630-1500, BLACKJACK A3630-1500 or AQUACRAFT 36/56 (commonly referred to as SV27).

    2) No modifications may be made to the motor. Except for normal wear, drive flats or keys, electrical connectors and water cooling, it must be run as shipped from the manufacturer.

    3) Power Limits: P-Class Power Limits shall apply.

    L. Racing Format
    1) Heat racing format will be used.

    2) The Contest Director will determine the scoring format, i.e. total points or a “winner take all” final heat format.
    Last edited by Darin Jordan; 11-16-2009, 11:20 AM.
    Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
    "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."
  • Hydromaniac
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 816

    #2
    If you are not sure what a Crackerbox is This is it. They are a blast to drive, easy to build and cheap. If there is enough interest in them , We will have an Exhibition Class and CB heat racing at the 2010 FE Nats in Greeley Colorado. Thanks again Darin.
    www.rockymountainthunderboats.org

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    • Karfrik
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Jun 2009
      • 1177

      #3
      Nice!!! can`t wait to see the actual finished hulls for this class.Keep us posted on this,......

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      • sailr
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Nov 2007
        • 6927

        #4
        OUSTANDING! Count me in! Let us know where we can get that glass hull!

        Why not add the UL-1 motor to the list? It's being used in all the other SPEC classes.
        Mini Cat Racing USA
        www.minicatracingusa.com

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        • Hydromaniac
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 816

          #5
          Originally posted by sailr
          OUSTANDING! Count me in! Let us know where we can get that glass hull!

          Why not add the UL-1 motor to the list? It's being used in all the other SPEC classes.
          Right now we want to keep things simple so a couple of motor choices, But mostly I think the UL-1 may be to high KV for a Crackerbox, I ran a 700 brushed and lipos in a 28 incher and it was just about right, so I think the lower KV will present less blow offs. Remember this is just a great starting point in to pretty much unexplored water so to speak. Also you can get with Douggie Twaits at Rum Runner Hobbies to order a hull. By the way this will be a Brain Buass built hull. Hulls may also be scratch built if desired.
          www.rockymountainthunderboats.org

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          • sailr
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Nov 2007
            • 6927

            #6
            There are a lot of UL-1 motors already being used in SPEC classes. Seems they were OK for everything else? I don't see where the extra 200 KV matters. You take care of that with propping anyway. I have NEVER seen a Himax motor in use so not sure why that one's in and the UL is out.

            Just my opinion. Not trying to cause a dustup!
            Mini Cat Racing USA
            www.minicatracingusa.com

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            • Darin Jordan
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Apr 2007
              • 8335

              #7
              Originally posted by sailr
              I have NEVER seen a Himax motor in use so not sure why that one's in and the UL is out.
              The power rules are taken directly from the existing 1/10th scale Unlimited rules. The 1/10th scale rules are official NAMBA rules now (can't seem to find them in the rulebook yet, but they were voted in...)...

              The UL1 motor is actually about 400KV more... Because the Crackerbox class would be essentially a one-hull type of class, the UL1 motor would present an unrealistic advantage in this class... The motors needed to be more similiar...

              In the other spec classes, the UL1 is a better motor for some hulls and at a disadvantage in others... Offshore is a good example... Works well in a light Cat... not as well in a similiar sized Mono...

              That's my long explanation... the short one is that that is what was decided...

              It works in the 1/10th scales to keep them balanced... it'll work well here too...

              Since the Spec rules aren't defined yet officially, it is better to use something that is officially recognized by Namba... So that's what we have.
              Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
              "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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              • sailr
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Nov 2007
                • 6927

                #8
                Aha, I see. Thanks for the explanation!

                No problem here. I have SV and Proboat motors too. Just didn't want anybody left out.
                Mini Cat Racing USA
                www.minicatracingusa.com

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                • BOZINATOR
                  Junior Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 21

                  #9
                  I am in Big Time I was thinking of posting some scaled down plans of the Crackerbox that Gary Johnson and I developed back in the 90's for 1/4 scale Gas. They have never been published .... the dimentions were taken from the full size crackerbox plans in a 1953 magazine that Gary (Namba 37) had in his collection. Don't get too excited about the plans, for they are only the bulk heads and station points....They are not for sale or for commercial use.
                  Soooo, with that being said, what length should I post? 281/4" like the fiberglass prototype on Rumrunners site or should it be middle of the road at 30" I think if I just post the bulkheads for lets say 30",...You can move the bulkheads around a little to get your desired length. You only mess with the transom or the first bow bulkhead. more later on that if you want.
                  Who has the 1/6 drivers that will work in our application?

                  Thanks for listening
                  jim (Namba 39)

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                  • Hydromaniac
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 816

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BOZINATOR
                    I am in Big Time I was thinking of posting some scaled down plans of the Crackerbox that Gary Johnson and I developed back in the 90's for 1/4 scale Gas. They have never been published .... the dimentions were taken from the full size crackerbox plans in a 1953 magazine that Gary (Namba 37) had in his collection. Don't get too excited about the plans, for they are only the bulk heads and station points....They are not for sale or for commercial use.
                    Soooo, with that being said, what length should I post? 281/4" like the fiberglass prototype on Rumrunners site or should it be middle of the road at 30" I think if I just post the bulkheads for lets say 30",...You can move the bulkheads around a little to get your desired length. You only mess with the transom or the first bow bulkhead. more later on that if you want.
                    Who has the 1/6 drivers that will work in our application?

                    Thanks for listening
                    jim (Namba 39)
                    I would say 30 inch would be about right. Also FYI RRR is going to have another build off coming very soon,and Crackerboxes will be included.
                    www.rockymountainthunderboats.org

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                    • Hydromaniac
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 816

                      #11
                      Also Eddie Hansen and Hansen racing products has 1/6 drivers plus it looks like the older GI Joe full size toys are just about right, May be able to pull a mold.
                      www.rockymountainthunderboats.org

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                      • AndyKunz
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 1437

                        #12
                        From what I understand, there are actually TWO different glass hulls in the works from opposite sides of the country. There's a lot more interest in this than I originally expected!

                        Andy
                        Spektrum Development Team

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                        • Brushless55
                          Creator
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 9488

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Hydromaniac
                          If you are not sure what a Crackerbox is This is it. They are a blast to drive, easy to build and cheap. If there is enough interest in them , We will have an Exhibition Class and CB heat racing at the 2010 FE Nats in Greeley Colorado. Thanks again Darin.

                          Oh man!
                          not another class that looks like alot of fun to race!
                          I have yet to race a single boat and now have my UL-1 and Titan 29 ready for next season, and now want one of these...
                          Who has these out yet?
                          .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                          • BOZINATOR
                            Junior Member
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 21

                            #14
                            I have yet to get my ok-do-ky to view or post on rumrunners, so I haven't seen the prototypes. No matter......I can wait a little longer.
                            I don't think the motor opening should be so wide, since we are not putting in a weed wacker motor....just big enough for my fat little hands

                            Has anyone speced out the hardware or servo to be used?

                            I wanted to register my boat as "WISE CRACKER' P-39

                            jim Namba 39

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                            • Hydromaniac
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 816

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Brushless55
                              Oh man!
                              not another class that looks like alot of fun to race!
                              I have yet to race a single boat and now have my UL-1 and Titan 29 ready for next season, and now want one of these...
                              Who has these out yet?
                              None are out just yet, but coming very soon, Now your hooked wait til you race them that when the fun begins.
                              www.rockymountainthunderboats.org

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