Spartan, tear it down to build it up

[Brushless55]

Ok, fresh stuff in boat 4082 1450kv seaking, 180 amp esc, in hull h20 pick-up and x645 prop. 43 mph before prop 49+ after prop....yikes! I can't imagine 58mph but I'm gonna try to get there. There's some pretty serious torque roll when you nail-it; not quite as dramatic when power is rolled on. All in all a success

very cool man!

[shctexas]

Tough day at the pond. Turtle city! Little hard-shelled denizens of destruction.Lost flex drive due to turtle hit....or pilot error, we'll never know for sure but I'm going with the turtle story. Broke a rudder on the Miss Vegas, definitely turtle.......right?

I need a flex drive for the Spart. I'm interested in a piano drive because that seems to be a step up but I know nothing bout them. Wasn't Wohlt (spelling) building them? Any thoughts, recommendations other than watch out for the tiny bobbing heads?
Thanks.

[GeoVW72]

JPriami, Brushless55
Thanks guys
I know I'm trying to get the stock stuff to work, but someone has to make a well thought out fix or show Traxxas their selling snow cones in h*ll

Brushless55, you were close on the average amp load, I'm just thinking of it differently, what it takes to push the boat vs. the avg. load.
I don't think that the esc has a soft limit, just a soft start.

fluttering esc and toast motor at traxxas

ambient: 40*f

Run#1: 2x 2s
time: 8min
esc: 55* motor: 78*
Speed: 27 mph
graph on the netbook

Run#2: 2x 3s
time: 5
esc: 80* motor: 120*
speed: 44

YT Vid

Run#3: 2x 3s
time: 8
esc: 109* motor: 158*
speed: 43


packs forward for all runs, strut was at a positive angle that's how I got 27 on 4s, but at the end of the session it seemed level again must have not tightened it enough.
the high temps have me concerned, specially the caps 170*, so I've had to break down and change the rudder nipple to larger id.

Pics tomorrow providing it works out

[JPriami]

That strut is crap. Mine loosened up a few times till I learned you have to crank that bloody wanka down. And its done the same to several other people I have spoken too.

Still want to say good work Geo. I like that your going to the proving grounds with this boat stock to give it a work out with stats and proof.

[GeoVW72]

The mythic 5-0 achived...

...Once, then the esc started the flutter

Ambient 65*f

Run# 1: 2x 2s
esc: 66* motor: 90*
Speed: 27


Run#2: 2x 3s
esc: 80* motor: 130*
Speed: 49


Run#3: 2x 3s
esc: 120* motor: 165*
Speed: 51


Motor has the same toated smell and some of the epoxy wrap fell off.
Seems as though the esc should be rated at 150A not 300A


That was the nipple I was using from These

Waiting on the toasted motor and esc to come back to do it again

[Brushless55]

was this on the stock prop or are you using one different??
thanks

[JPriami]

stock prop im betting. He has been working hard to made real data of a stock spartan for proof of whats going on with these boats.

[GeoVW72]

was this on the stock prop or are you using one different??
thanks

Stock prop, The mods I've listed are the mods I've done 100%

[Brushless55]

Stock prop, The mods I've listed are the mods I've done 100%

well I see a 51mph on the stock prop

[GeoVW72]

well I see a 51mph on the stock prop

Yep and it took all that it had
And then it didn't want to do it any more

[TheShaughnessy]

"The only way I see this boat doing 50+ for 20min stock is down one long ski slope."

That is Awesome!



And again the modtrolls take lame action






I have really lost a lot of respect for Traxxas
to me it seems money is much more important than anything else to them

Just had to comment on this thread. Thankfully I don't own a spartan, i have a MG and a SV27.

I was at RCX in Pomona today where all the rc vendors get together and put on a show. Traxxas had the Spartan set up in an aquarium type deal with the strut set to maximum negative angle and had another model sitting outside of the tank. After thoroughly dissecting the boat i noticed plastic that seems to be worse the the MG hatch, then i saw these little cheesy metal things on the back, i think they were trim tabs but I'm still not to sure on that one. Then i notice this ugly gap between the stinger and the hull, is the flex shaft exposed like that on everyone's spartan? Right where it exits the hull before it enters the stinger? It just seemed like it would create a little bit of extra drag, did i mention it was ugly looking. During this 3-4 min not once did a traxxas rep come up to me and make small talk like every other vendor did.

So I'm still browsing around checking out their car stuff cause it is actually pretty cool when a guy starts talking about how cool the boat is ( someone spooled it up every now and then to shoot water all over) so I simply say, "read the forums before you buy this boat, that's all i'm gonna say." Next thing i know some overweight traxxas rep is yelling at me to get out of the booth cause he doesn't want to hear it from me, says he doesn't want to deal with it and to just get out of the booth, i'm pretty sure he wanted to hit me in the face (He didn't make my day though). Eventually i stepped off his carpet and just talked to him from there.

I was kinda baffeled by the whole thing so i asked the guy, if there wasn't a problem with the boat why was he getting so defensive. I said i know of a bunch of guys blowing the esc on 6s. He said, "what the 10 guys i the forum?" ( So you guys know they obviously don't care about you,or at least he doesn't. Then i start telling him how his yelling is just coming off as weakness and that if what i was saying wasn't true they would still buy the boat.

Finally Greg, they other traxxas rep there stepped in and asked what was going on. We had a little talk and he more or less apologized for his buffoon of a co worker. So just like your post was deleted from the forums i was deleted from the Traxxas booth. One thing i told Greg was that no one has hit 50 with one of their stock boats that I know of, to which he simply replied, "I did."

That's all for now. I may include more more of mine and Greg's conversation later.

[JPriami]

Thanks for sharing that. And if you post more I'd read it. So please do. There's more than 10 guys on a forum with problems.

[wilsta67]

Just had to comment on this thread. Thankfully I don't own a spartan, i have a MG and a SV27.

I was at RCX in Pomona today where all the rc vendors get together and put on a show. Traxxas had the Spartan set up in an aquarium type deal with the strut set to maximum negative angle and had another model sitting outside of the tank. After thoroughly dissecting the boat i noticed plastic that seems to be worse the the MG hatch, then i saw these little cheesy metal things on the back, i think they were trim tabs but I'm still not to sure on that one. Then i notice this ugly gap between the stinger and the hull, is the flex shaft exposed like that on everyone's spartan? Right where it exits the hull before it enters the stinger? It just seemed like it would create a little bit of extra drag, did i mention it was ugly looking. During this 3-4 min not once did a traxxas rep come up to me and make small talk like every other vendor did.

So I'm still browsing around checking out their car stuff cause it is actually pretty cool when a guy starts talking about how cool the boat is ( someone spooled it up every now and then to shoot water all over) so I simply say, "read the forums before you buy this boat, that's all i'm gonna say." Next thing i know some overweight traxxas rep is yelling at me to get out of the booth cause he doesn't want to hear it from me, says he doesn't want to deal with it and to just get out of the booth, i'm pretty sure he wanted to hit me in the face (He didn't make my day though). Eventually i stepped off his carpet and just talked to him from there.

I was kinda baffeled by the whole thing so i asked the guy, if there wasn't a problem with the boat why was he getting so defensive. I said i know of a bunch of guys blowing the esc on 6s. He said, "what the 10 guys i the forum?" ( So you guys know they obviously don't care about you,or at least he doesn't. Then i start telling him how his yelling is just coming off as weakness and that if what i was saying wasn't true they would still buy the boat.

Finally Greg, they other traxxas rep there stepped in and asked what was going on. We had a little talk and he more or less apologized for his buffoon of a co worker. So just like your post was deleted from the forums i was deleted from the Traxxas booth. One thing i told Greg was that no one has hit 50 with one of their stock boats that I know of, to which he simply replied, "I did."

That's all for now. I may include more more of mine and Greg's conversation later.

hey next time you see him tell him there is this guy that has had his over 60mph
but thats after spending $500 after frying his esc lol
VIDEO.. VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV VVVVVVVV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dTyfi8_agc

[Brushless55]

Just had to comment on this thread. Thankfully I don't own a spartan, i have a MG and a SV27.

I was at RCX in Pomona today where all the rc vendors get together and put on a show. Traxxas had the Spartan set up in an aquarium type deal with the strut set to maximum negative angle and had another model sitting outside of the tank. After thoroughly dissecting the boat i noticed plastic that seems to be worse the the MG hatch, then i saw these little cheesy metal things on the back, i think they were trim tabs but I'm still not to sure on that one. Then i notice this ugly gap between the stinger and the hull, is the flex shaft exposed like that on everyone's spartan? Right where it exits the hull before it enters the stinger? It just seemed like it would create a little bit of extra drag, did i mention it was ugly looking. During this 3-4 min not once did a traxxas rep come up to me and make small talk like every other vendor did.

So I'm still browsing around checking out their car stuff cause it is actually pretty cool when a guy starts talking about how cool the boat is ( someone spooled it up every now and then to shoot water all over) so I simply say, "read the forums before you buy this boat, that's all i'm gonna say." Next thing i know some overweight traxxas rep is yelling at me to get out of the booth cause he doesn't want to hear it from me, says he doesn't want to deal with it and to just get out of the booth, i'm pretty sure he wanted to hit me in the face (He didn't make my day though). Eventually i stepped off his carpet and just talked to him from there.

I was kinda baffeled by the whole thing so i asked the guy, if there wasn't a problem with the boat why was he getting so defensive. I said i know of a bunch of guys blowing the esc on 6s. He said, "what the 10 guys i the forum?" ( So you guys know they obviously don't care about you,or at least he doesn't. Then i start telling him how his yelling is just coming off as weakness and that if what i was saying wasn't true they would still buy the boat.

Finally Greg, they other traxxas rep there stepped in and asked what was going on. We had a little talk and he more or less apologized for his buffoon of a co worker. So just like your post was deleted from the forums i was deleted from the Traxxas booth. One thing i told Greg was that no one has hit 50 with one of their stock boats that I know of, to which he simply replied, "I did."

That's all for now. I may include more more of mine and Greg's conversation later.

wow, this just makes me not like Traxxas all the more

[dag-nabit]

Just had to comment on this thread. Thankfully I don't own a spartan, i have a MG and a SV27.

I was at RCX in Pomona today where all the rc vendors get together and put on a show. Traxxas had the Spartan set up in an aquarium type deal with the strut set to maximum negative angle and had another model sitting outside of the tank. After thoroughly dissecting the boat i noticed plastic that seems to be worse the the MG hatch, then i saw these little cheesy metal things on the back, i think they were trim tabs but I'm still not to sure on that one. Then i notice this ugly gap between the stinger and the hull, is the flex shaft exposed like that on everyone's spartan? Right where it exits the hull before it enters the stinger? It just seemed like it would create a little bit of extra drag, did i mention it was ugly looking. During this 3-4 min not once did a traxxas rep come up to me and make small talk like every other vendor did.

So I'm still browsing around checking out their car stuff cause it is actually pretty cool when a guy starts talking about how cool the boat is ( someone spooled it up every now and then to shoot water all over) so I simply say, "read the forums before you buy this boat, that's all i'm gonna say." Next thing i know some overweight traxxas rep is yelling at me to get out of the booth cause he doesn't want to hear it from me, says he doesn't want to deal with it and to just get out of the booth, i'm pretty sure he wanted to hit me in the face (He didn't make my day though). Eventually i stepped off his carpet and just talked to him from there.

I was kinda baffeled by the whole thing so i asked the guy, if there wasn't a problem with the boat why was he getting so defensive. I said i know of a bunch of guys blowing the esc on 6s. He said, "what the 10 guys i the forum?" ( So you guys know they obviously don't care about you,or at least he doesn't. Then i start telling him how his yelling is just coming off as weakness and that if what i was saying wasn't true they would still buy the boat.

Finally Greg, they other traxxas rep there stepped in and asked what was going on. We had a little talk and he more or less apologized for his buffoon of a co worker. So just like your post was deleted from the forums i was deleted from the Traxxas booth. One thing i told Greg was that no one has hit 50 with one of their stock boats that I know of, to which he simply replied, "I did."

That's all for now. I may include more more of mine and Greg's conversation later.

That is pretty sad.

Any company can have a bad product from time to time, how they deal with it is what defines how good the company is.

This is definitely not the way to deal with it.

Kevin